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My cats are clawing me out of house and home!

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Mariah Nichols - 05 May 2005 17:44 GMT
My 2 cats like to claw things(especially me!) I don't want to declaw them,
but I doupt I can afford to buy any Soft Paws. Is there an easier way to
keep them from clawing without training them?
John Doe - 05 May 2005 18:00 GMT
"Mariah Nichols via CatKB.com" <forum@nospam.CatKB.com> wrote:

> My 2 cats like to claw things(especially me!) I don't want to
> declaw them, but I doupt I can afford to buy any Soft Paws. Is
> there an easier way to keep them from clawing without training
> them?

You do not have to train a cat to do something it very much needs
to do. The trick is to provide them with something they would like
to claw. There are many such things, you can buy them or make
them.

Claws are the essence of a cat. Cats depend on their claws for
exercise, play, self-defense, and hunting. Removing a cat's claws
is effectively crippling it.

Good luck.
IBen Getiner - 06 May 2005 06:58 GMT
> > My 2 cats like to claw things(especially me!) I don't want to
> > declaw them, but I doupt I can afford to buy any Soft Paws. Is
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> Claws are the essence of a cat. Cats depend on their claws for
> exercise, play, self-defense, and hunting.

Bullkrap. They are very destructive and totally useless. If it's an
inside kat you're talking about.

> Removing a cat's claws
> is effectively crippling it.
>
> Good luck.

Bullkrap. Our cat is one great looking healthy specimen of feline, let
me tell you. Even the vet says so. And he lost ALL of his claws YEARS
ago. You're just a nut. That's all's the matter with you! You're a
liberal nut-job! Don't DARE wanna lay down any RULEZ or any
RESTRICTIONS. Never use the 'No' word, just like with your wasted and
lost generation of ruined children. Well, in OUR house, if you want to
lounge about all day and NOT have to 'hunt' to provide for yourself
(not to mention only living to an average age of THREE), you have to
loose little unnecessary things like useless obsolete CLAWS. You WILL
NOT be allowed to ruin Dad's Pioneer c-1230s or our beanbag furniture.
A small price to pay, since katz don't respond to reason. Just like
you, liberal lozer. Just like you!

IBen Getiner
John Doe - 06 May 2005 07:03 GMT
A tough guy wanna-be troll.

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> IBen Getiner
IBen Getiner - 06 May 2005 07:22 GMT
> A tough guy wanna-be troll.

PUSSY!

IBen GettinYaInDEEbootyHole
Karen - 05 May 2005 18:02 GMT
> My 2 cats like to claw things(especially me!) I don't want to declaw them,
> but I doupt I can afford to buy any Soft Paws. Is there an easier way to
> keep them from clawing without training them?

Jeez. You don't want to train them???? It's not very hard. Nor are soft paws
some huge expense.
CatNipped - 05 May 2005 18:22 GMT
> My 2 cats like to claw things(especially me!) I don't want to declaw them,
> but I doupt I can afford to buy any Soft Paws. Is there an easier way to
> keep them from clawing without training them?

And you think paying for a declawing surgery will be *less* expensive than
Soft Paws??!

Will cleaning up the results of their improper elimination when they avoid
use of the litter box because of the pain of amputated toes take any *less*
effort than some simple training?

If you're not a troll, and really *do* care about your cats, buy or make a
scratching post, get some catnip, and put forth a *minimum* of effort to
train them to use it!

Hugs,

CatNipped
kaeli - 05 May 2005 18:39 GMT
> My 2 cats like to claw things(especially me!) I don't want to declaw them,
> but I doupt I can afford to buy any Soft Paws. Is there an easier way to
> keep them from clawing without training them?

You want easy with no training? Remove the items from your home.  ;)

Now, since we know that isn't going to happen...
All changes in behavior are a result of training. Softclaws are meant to be
used as a training aid, not as a replacement for training. Like those head
halter collar things for dogs. They don't teach in and of themselves. They
simply give you a means to an end. You still have to show the animal the
proper behavior and PRAISE IT.

Stop thinking of training as some huge, horrible, lengthy process that you
aren't capable of. It is small things, throughout the day, on a daily basis.
Consistency is the key.

Clip their nails (or pay the whole $5 for a groomer to do it) to reduce
damage.
Start correcting their behavior. Give them acceptable things to claw and
praise the hell out of them for using them. Redirect inappropriate scratching
to appropriate things and make inappropriate things less attractive (scent
them with citrus or move them or put tape on them or whatever). When you see
them using the right thing, PRAISE THEM. Give a treat, a pet, playtime,
whatever. Something positive to them. When you catch them doing the wrong
thing, interrupt the behavior (clap, NO, penny-can, etc), then call, coax, or
bring them to the right place, and PRAISE THEM.
It isn't rocket science, I promise.

Remember -- inappropriate or "wrong" are simply human definitions. The cat
doesn't attach a monetary value to your couch.

You don't expect a dog not to chew the "wrong" things or a child not to draw
on the "wrong" things simply by osmosis. Don't expect a cat to just not claw
the "wrong" things, either. Teach it.

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Philip - 05 May 2005 19:23 GMT
>> My 2 cats like to claw things(especially me!) I don't want to declaw
>> them, but I doupt I can afford to buy any Soft Paws. Is there an
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> to draw on the "wrong" things simply by osmosis. Don't expect a cat
> to just not claw the "wrong" things, either. Teach it.

SUPERB post!

"Cats are not plants.  They don't grow out of bad behaviors, they grow into
them!"
Cheryl - 06 May 2005 01:33 GMT
>> My 2 cats like to claw things(especially me!) I don't want to
>> declaw them, but I doupt I can afford to buy any Soft Paws. Is
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
> expect a cat to just not claw the "wrong" things, either. Teach
> it.

Nicely put. This post should be part of an FAQ if anyone ever puts
one together. :)

Signature

Cheryl

"The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited
breath."
- W.C. Fields

John Doe - 06 May 2005 03:18 GMT
kaeli <tiny_one@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote:

> Remember -- inappropriate or "wrong" are simply human
> definitions. The cat doesn't attach a monetary value to your
> couch.

So true. Animals are cool that way. Not necessarily easy to cope
with, but no mind games.
equalizer - 06 May 2005 03:23 GMT
>kaeli <tiny_one@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote:
>
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>So true. Animals are cool that way. Not necessarily easy to cope
>with, but no mind games.

Sort of like the lame one you just tried to pull on Barry, eh?

spankard.

eq
John Doe - 06 May 2005 04:58 GMT
An X-No-Archive, tough guy wanna-be, stalker, troll.

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IBen Getiner - 06 May 2005 06:45 GMT
Why don't you shut your mouth when you're doing the fag thing? You're
leaking SCUMMMMM again.

IBen Getiner
John Doe - 06 May 2005 06:58 GMT
Tough guy wanna-be troll.

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> IBen Getiner
equalizer - 06 May 2005 17:18 GMT
>An X-No-Archive, tough guy wanna-be, stalker, troll.

>>I goofed.
>>
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>>Exit, stage left.

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Philip - 05 May 2005 19:03 GMT
> My 2 cats like to claw things(especially me!) I don't want to declaw
> them, but I doupt I can afford to buy any Soft Paws. Is there an
> easier way to keep them from clawing without training them?

What YOUR problem?  Are you really that incapable of trimming your cats'
claws with a specialized clipper?
bigbadbarry - 06 May 2005 03:45 GMT
> My 2 cats like to claw things(especially me!) I don't want to declaw them,
> but I doupt I can afford to buy any Soft Paws. Is there an easier way to
> keep them from clawing without training them?
>
> --
> Message posted via http://www.catkb.com

I think your cats must think you are a cat, do they "claw" each other
too?

How bad and where are they clawing you.
Mary - 06 May 2005 04:42 GMT
> > My 2 cats like to claw things(especially me!) I don't want to declaw
> them,
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>
> How bad and where are they clawing you.

And what are you wearing? :)
bigbadbarry - 06 May 2005 05:11 GMT
> And what are you wearing? :)

Maybe we need to do an intervention here, sounds pretty out of control.
Do you have access to a local newspaper?
Mary - 06 May 2005 07:32 GMT
> > And what are you wearing? :)
>
> Maybe we need to do an intervention here, sounds pretty out of control.
> Do you have access to a local newspaper?

Yes. What do you think we should do? Send over a truck with
Cosmic Catnip Alpine Scratchers?
bigbadbarry - 06 May 2005 15:26 GMT
> > > And what are you wearing? :)
> >
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> Yes. What do you think we should do? Send over a truck with
> Cosmic Catnip Alpine Scratchers?

Yes, better get a couple of them, and some peroxide, A&D ointment,
eye-patch, and throw in a few cat treats.
IBen Getiner - 06 May 2005 06:42 GMT
Declaw. It worked for us. I know certain people won't want to hear
this, but our cat has never been healthier or happier! All the crap you
hear in places like this against declawing is put out there by
bunny-hugging blank-stare nut-jobs. Remember that. These are the types
of people who would row their already-filled-to-capacity lifeboat back
into the sea of drowning desperates at the scene of the Titanic
sinking. They are KOOKS. They are to be IGNORED.
Set up an appointment to have all ten taken out this week. None of your
liberal KOOK friends will ever know, lest it be YOU who will tell them
so!
John Doe - 06 May 2005 06:57 GMT
The troll's favorite groups:

alt.flame.niggers
alt.politics.homosexuality
alt.abortion

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> liberal KOOK friends will ever know, lest it be YOU who will tell them
> so!
IBen Getiner - 06 May 2005 07:18 GMT
> The troll's favorite groups:
>
> alt.flame.niggers
> alt.politics.homosexuality
> alt.abortion

Like ALL Liberal LOZERS, you think you will make up for your lack of
wit by LABELING. HAHH...!! If I were trolling (which I'm not), do you
think I'd come in here using my infamously infamous screen name? Think
about it, Moron... If it were me (which it's not), I'd choose a NEW
identity! Perhaps that of a WOMAN even! Perhaps not. But either way,
you can bet that if it were me, you'd never even see me coming! I've
seen them in action. They come in all innocent and cuddly. Get to know
everybody. Especially the skeptics and group regulars..! Then they
butter themselves up to some emotional handicapped individual... One
who wears their twisted bleeding little heart on their pitifully
sickening little sleeve... And then commence to RUN THE CRIPPLE OUT OF
THE GROUP. Or insane. Or both. Which ever comes last.
Is that the kind of 'troll' that you're talking about, Moron? Cause as
you can see... I ain't him. I know that there are other types of trollz
out here, but the way I see it, if you're gonna do something, why not
go all the way and do it right? No what I mean, white liberal Dickwadd?
 

IBen Getiner
Loose Cannon - 08 May 2005 17:18 GMT
> The troll's favorite groups:

> alt.flame.niggers
> alt.politics.homosexuality
> alt.abortion

Yes, "IBen" has been laughed out of -or kf'd- in virtually all the groups
he's trolled. He's a bigoted, sociopathic wingnut that posts from multiple
sockpuppets:

youngopinions@aol.com, jdyoung17@yahoo.com,  jdyoung1@volcanomail.com
jdyoun...@hotmail.com (Jon Young)

In addition, this troll has a LONG track record of creating racist socks,
both via AOL proxy servers and his previous ISP, web tv (it figures):

lappcatt@aol.com,  Lappcatt@webtv.net,  iappcatt@aol.com,
hokkaspokkas@webtv.net
dommanokas@webtv.net, BIotterpaper1@webtv.net
hokkazpokkaz@webtv.net, hokazpokaz@webtv.net
Blotterpaper1@webtv.net, Biotterpaper1@webtv.net
HitherandYon@AOL.com, HitherandYonder@AOL.com

Then, of course, are his assorted forgeries of me and others (all leading
back to AOL):

loosecannon@hotmail.com, Findingis@aol.com, superasswipe@hotmail.com,
loosecannon__@hotmail.com, plhumphrey1@hotmail.com ,
loosecannonPLH@hotmail.com

He's a brain-addled loser and best ignored, lest he become a pestilence.

LC~ Knows all about crazy "IBen/JYoung, et al"...

"Well, you'd ALL better dig on THIS: It is MY
little passion-play. Don't forget that. When I find it necessary to
reveal anything to ANYBODY, I do it for MY own ends ... not theirs."~ The
troll occasionally known as IBenGetiner/Jon Young, making clear his
autoerotic delusions, in message
<6ba61564.0403180004.62505d31@posting.google.com>
IBen Getiner - 06 May 2005 07:22 GMT
Declaw. It worked for us. I know certain people won't want to hear
this, but our cat has never been healthier or happier! All the crap you

hear in places like this against declawing is put out there by
bunny-hugging blank-stare nut-jobs. Remember that. These are the types
of people who would row their already-filled-to-capacity lifeboat back
into the sea of drowning desperates at the scene of the Titanic
sinking. They are KOOKS. They are to be IGNORED.
Set up an appointment to have all ten taken out this week. None of your

liberal KOOK friends will ever know, lest it be YOU who will tell them
so!
John Doe - 06 May 2005 07:33 GMT
The troll is posting in duplicate now.

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> liberal KOOK friends will ever know, lest it be YOU who will tell them
> so!
MaryL - 07 May 2005 15:58 GMT
> My 2 cats like to claw things(especially me!) I don't want to declaw them,
> but I doupt I can afford to buy any Soft Paws. Is there an easier way to
> keep them from clawing without training them?

Surgery (declawing) would cost *much* more than Soft Paws -- and along with
it would come the possibility of several painful and unpleasant side effects
of amputation.  This includes early onset of arthritis, biting and
inappropriate urination.  Even in the "best-case" situations, the cat will
never have the same balance as a cat with its claws.  That said, you *do*
need to train the cat if you do not want it to scratch furniture because
scratching is a natural instinct for cats (and is also a form of exercise
for them).  I have never found it difficult to train a cat to use scratching
posts and have not even needed Soft Paws.  First, you should have *several*
scratching posts available in various parts of the house -- don't expect
your cat to go "looking" for one.  I have one in every room except the
bathrooms.  Scratching posts should be very stable because a cat may become
frightened if one topples over and then may refuse to use it.  Pet Smart has
a very tall one available that has both sisal and carpeting.  It also has an
extended L-shaped base, which adds to the stability.  You may want to
experiement with various types of coverings.  Some cats prefer carpeting,
some sisal, some like corrugated cardboard.  All of my cats have shown a
preference for vertical (upright) surfaces, but some cats like horizontal or
sloped surfaces.

Each of my cats learned to use the scratching post almost exclusively within
just a few days (even including Duffy, my blind cat, who was approximately 4
years old when I adopted him and had never been trained to a post).  I
watched the cats *very* closely the first few days after adoption.  Any time
the cat started to claw anything else, I would say "no" (firmly, but not
shouting).  Then I would move to a scratching post and tap it or scratch it
with my fingernails to attract the cat's attention.  When the cat would
approach, I would praise lavishly even if he/she only picked slightly at the
surface.  Soon, they got the idea that this was "a good thing," and they
would scratch vigorously any time I tapped the post and called to them.
Sometimes I would draw a string (with small toy or even a piece of fabric
attached) up and down the post.  The cat would follow in play but would
invariably begin scratching the surface.  Then the praise would begin again.
All of this required close attention for a few days, but after that I had no
problems.  I *never* resorted to yelling, water pistols, or other forms of
punishment.  Positive reinforcement always worked well, and it has the added
benefit of contributing to a loving relationship between cat and hoomin.

A good, tall, sturdy cat tree/condo would be a very worthwhile investment
(or one can be made for very little cost if you are "handy" with tools).
This will give the cat fun and exercise, and I am sure you will find it
delightful to watch.  I have one post on mine covered with sisal, so that
serves as a scratching post.  The others are carpeted.  The carpeting would
not even be needed for most cats, but it is essential for Duffy, my blind
cat, because he uses it for traction as he climbs up and down.

MaryL

Photos of Duffy and Holly:      >'o'<
http://tinyurl.com/8y54 (Introducing Duffy to Holly)
http://tinyurl.com/8y56 (Duffy and Holly "settle in")
Brad - 10 May 2005 07:14 GMT
>> My 2 cats like to claw things(especially me!) I don't want to declaw them,
>> but I doupt I can afford to buy any Soft Paws. Is there an easier way to
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>http://tinyurl.com/8y54 (Introducing Duffy to Holly)
>http://tinyurl.com/8y56 (Duffy and Holly "settle in")

Mary those first few days if you had to leave the house did you put
them in a crate or did you leave them out and hope for the best....??

Brad

LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A
WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT,
SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!"
MaryL - 10 May 2005 09:20 GMT
>>> My 2 cats like to claw things(especially me!) I don't want to declaw
>>> them,
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> Brad

I did not make any special arrangements even when I had to leave them alone
during the first few days.  The exception was Duffy, but it had nothing to
do with scratching posts in his case.  I needed to give Duffy time to get
accustomed to the house, and I took a very slow, gradual approach in
introducting Duffy to Holly (which many of you have read about on this NG).
Therefore, he was in a single bedroom during that time.

MaryL
 
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