Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / May 2005
My cats are clawing me out of house and home!
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Mariah Nichols - 05 May 2005 17:44 GMT My 2 cats like to claw things(especially me!) I don't want to declaw them, but I doupt I can afford to buy any Soft Paws. Is there an easier way to keep them from clawing without training them?
John Doe - 05 May 2005 18:00 GMT "Mariah Nichols via CatKB.com" <forum@nospam.CatKB.com> wrote:
> My 2 cats like to claw things(especially me!) I don't want to > declaw them, but I doupt I can afford to buy any Soft Paws. Is > there an easier way to keep them from clawing without training > them? You do not have to train a cat to do something it very much needs to do. The trick is to provide them with something they would like to claw. There are many such things, you can buy them or make them.
Claws are the essence of a cat. Cats depend on their claws for exercise, play, self-defense, and hunting. Removing a cat's claws is effectively crippling it.
Good luck.
IBen Getiner - 06 May 2005 06:58 GMT > > My 2 cats like to claw things(especially me!) I don't want to > > declaw them, but I doupt I can afford to buy any Soft Paws. Is [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Claws are the essence of a cat. Cats depend on their claws for > exercise, play, self-defense, and hunting. Bullkrap. They are very destructive and totally useless. If it's an inside kat you're talking about.
> Removing a cat's claws > is effectively crippling it. > > Good luck. Bullkrap. Our cat is one great looking healthy specimen of feline, let me tell you. Even the vet says so. And he lost ALL of his claws YEARS ago. You're just a nut. That's all's the matter with you! You're a liberal nut-job! Don't DARE wanna lay down any RULEZ or any RESTRICTIONS. Never use the 'No' word, just like with your wasted and lost generation of ruined children. Well, in OUR house, if you want to lounge about all day and NOT have to 'hunt' to provide for yourself (not to mention only living to an average age of THREE), you have to loose little unnecessary things like useless obsolete CLAWS. You WILL NOT be allowed to ruin Dad's Pioneer c-1230s or our beanbag furniture. A small price to pay, since katz don't respond to reason. Just like you, liberal lozer. Just like you!
IBen Getiner
John Doe - 06 May 2005 07:03 GMT A tough guy wanna-be troll.
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Karen - 05 May 2005 18:02 GMT > My 2 cats like to claw things(especially me!) I don't want to declaw them, > but I doupt I can afford to buy any Soft Paws. Is there an easier way to > keep them from clawing without training them? Jeez. You don't want to train them???? It's not very hard. Nor are soft paws some huge expense.
CatNipped - 05 May 2005 18:22 GMT > My 2 cats like to claw things(especially me!) I don't want to declaw them, > but I doupt I can afford to buy any Soft Paws. Is there an easier way to > keep them from clawing without training them? And you think paying for a declawing surgery will be *less* expensive than Soft Paws??!
Will cleaning up the results of their improper elimination when they avoid use of the litter box because of the pain of amputated toes take any *less* effort than some simple training?
If you're not a troll, and really *do* care about your cats, buy or make a scratching post, get some catnip, and put forth a *minimum* of effort to train them to use it!
Hugs,
CatNipped
kaeli - 05 May 2005 18:39 GMT > My 2 cats like to claw things(especially me!) I don't want to declaw them, > but I doupt I can afford to buy any Soft Paws. Is there an easier way to > keep them from clawing without training them? You want easy with no training? Remove the items from your home. ;)
Now, since we know that isn't going to happen... All changes in behavior are a result of training. Softclaws are meant to be used as a training aid, not as a replacement for training. Like those head halter collar things for dogs. They don't teach in and of themselves. They simply give you a means to an end. You still have to show the animal the proper behavior and PRAISE IT.
Stop thinking of training as some huge, horrible, lengthy process that you aren't capable of. It is small things, throughout the day, on a daily basis. Consistency is the key.
Clip their nails (or pay the whole $5 for a groomer to do it) to reduce damage. Start correcting their behavior. Give them acceptable things to claw and praise the hell out of them for using them. Redirect inappropriate scratching to appropriate things and make inappropriate things less attractive (scent them with citrus or move them or put tape on them or whatever). When you see them using the right thing, PRAISE THEM. Give a treat, a pet, playtime, whatever. Something positive to them. When you catch them doing the wrong thing, interrupt the behavior (clap, NO, penny-can, etc), then call, coax, or bring them to the right place, and PRAISE THEM. It isn't rocket science, I promise.
Remember -- inappropriate or "wrong" are simply human definitions. The cat doesn't attach a monetary value to your couch.
You don't expect a dog not to chew the "wrong" things or a child not to draw on the "wrong" things simply by osmosis. Don't expect a cat to just not claw the "wrong" things, either. Teach it.
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Philip - 05 May 2005 19:23 GMT >> My 2 cats like to claw things(especially me!) I don't want to declaw >> them, but I doupt I can afford to buy any Soft Paws. Is there an [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > to draw on the "wrong" things simply by osmosis. Don't expect a cat > to just not claw the "wrong" things, either. Teach it. SUPERB post!
"Cats are not plants. They don't grow out of bad behaviors, they grow into them!"
Cheryl - 06 May 2005 01:33 GMT >> My 2 cats like to claw things(especially me!) I don't want to >> declaw them, but I doupt I can afford to buy any Soft Paws. Is [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > expect a cat to just not claw the "wrong" things, either. Teach > it. Nicely put. This post should be part of an FAQ if anyone ever puts one together. :)
 Signature Cheryl
"The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields
John Doe - 06 May 2005 03:18 GMT kaeli <tiny_one@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote:
> Remember -- inappropriate or "wrong" are simply human > definitions. The cat doesn't attach a monetary value to your > couch. So true. Animals are cool that way. Not necessarily easy to cope with, but no mind games.
equalizer - 06 May 2005 03:23 GMT >kaeli <tiny_one@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >So true. Animals are cool that way. Not necessarily easy to cope >with, but no mind games. Sort of like the lame one you just tried to pull on Barry, eh?
spankard.
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John Doe - 06 May 2005 04:58 GMT An X-No-Archive, tough guy wanna-be, stalker, troll.
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IBen Getiner
John Doe - 06 May 2005 06:58 GMT Tough guy wanna-be troll.
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>>I goofed. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >>Exit, stage left.
>> Path: newssvr17.news.prodigy.com!newscon07.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01a.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!lex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news1 >> From: equalizer <> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> >> eq Philip - 05 May 2005 19:03 GMT > My 2 cats like to claw things(especially me!) I don't want to declaw > them, but I doupt I can afford to buy any Soft Paws. Is there an > easier way to keep them from clawing without training them? What YOUR problem? Are you really that incapable of trimming your cats' claws with a specialized clipper?
bigbadbarry - 06 May 2005 03:45 GMT > My 2 cats like to claw things(especially me!) I don't want to declaw them, > but I doupt I can afford to buy any Soft Paws. Is there an easier way to > keep them from clawing without training them? > > -- > Message posted via http://www.catkb.com I think your cats must think you are a cat, do they "claw" each other too?
How bad and where are they clawing you.
Mary - 06 May 2005 04:42 GMT > > My 2 cats like to claw things(especially me!) I don't want to declaw > them, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > How bad and where are they clawing you. And what are you wearing? :)
bigbadbarry - 06 May 2005 05:11 GMT > And what are you wearing? :) Maybe we need to do an intervention here, sounds pretty out of control. Do you have access to a local newspaper?
Mary - 06 May 2005 07:32 GMT > > And what are you wearing? :) > > Maybe we need to do an intervention here, sounds pretty out of control. > Do you have access to a local newspaper? Yes. What do you think we should do? Send over a truck with Cosmic Catnip Alpine Scratchers?
bigbadbarry - 06 May 2005 15:26 GMT > > > And what are you wearing? :) > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Yes. What do you think we should do? Send over a truck with > Cosmic Catnip Alpine Scratchers? Yes, better get a couple of them, and some peroxide, A&D ointment, eye-patch, and throw in a few cat treats.
IBen Getiner - 06 May 2005 06:42 GMT Declaw. It worked for us. I know certain people won't want to hear this, but our cat has never been healthier or happier! All the crap you hear in places like this against declawing is put out there by bunny-hugging blank-stare nut-jobs. Remember that. These are the types of people who would row their already-filled-to-capacity lifeboat back into the sea of drowning desperates at the scene of the Titanic sinking. They are KOOKS. They are to be IGNORED. Set up an appointment to have all ten taken out this week. None of your liberal KOOK friends will ever know, lest it be YOU who will tell them so!
John Doe - 06 May 2005 06:57 GMT The troll's favorite groups:
alt.flame.niggers alt.politics.homosexuality alt.abortion
> Path: newssvr19.news.prodigy.com!newscon03.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01a.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail > From: "IBen Getiner" <Lappcatt AOL.com> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > liberal KOOK friends will ever know, lest it be YOU who will tell them > so! IBen Getiner - 06 May 2005 07:18 GMT > The troll's favorite groups: > > alt.flame.niggers > alt.politics.homosexuality > alt.abortion Like ALL Liberal LOZERS, you think you will make up for your lack of wit by LABELING. HAHH...!! If I were trolling (which I'm not), do you think I'd come in here using my infamously infamous screen name? Think about it, Moron... If it were me (which it's not), I'd choose a NEW identity! Perhaps that of a WOMAN even! Perhaps not. But either way, you can bet that if it were me, you'd never even see me coming! I've seen them in action. They come in all innocent and cuddly. Get to know everybody. Especially the skeptics and group regulars..! Then they butter themselves up to some emotional handicapped individual... One who wears their twisted bleeding little heart on their pitifully sickening little sleeve... And then commence to RUN THE CRIPPLE OUT OF THE GROUP. Or insane. Or both. Which ever comes last. Is that the kind of 'troll' that you're talking about, Moron? Cause as you can see... I ain't him. I know that there are other types of trollz out here, but the way I see it, if you're gonna do something, why not go all the way and do it right? No what I mean, white liberal Dickwadd?
IBen Getiner
Loose Cannon - 08 May 2005 17:18 GMT > The troll's favorite groups:
> alt.flame.niggers > alt.politics.homosexuality > alt.abortion Yes, "IBen" has been laughed out of -or kf'd- in virtually all the groups he's trolled. He's a bigoted, sociopathic wingnut that posts from multiple sockpuppets:
youngopinions@aol.com, jdyoung17@yahoo.com, jdyoung1@volcanomail.com jdyoun...@hotmail.com (Jon Young)
In addition, this troll has a LONG track record of creating racist socks, both via AOL proxy servers and his previous ISP, web tv (it figures):
lappcatt@aol.com, Lappcatt@webtv.net, iappcatt@aol.com, hokkaspokkas@webtv.net dommanokas@webtv.net, BIotterpaper1@webtv.net hokkazpokkaz@webtv.net, hokazpokaz@webtv.net Blotterpaper1@webtv.net, Biotterpaper1@webtv.net HitherandYon@AOL.com, HitherandYonder@AOL.com
Then, of course, are his assorted forgeries of me and others (all leading back to AOL):
loosecannon@hotmail.com, Findingis@aol.com, superasswipe@hotmail.com, loosecannon__@hotmail.com, plhumphrey1@hotmail.com , loosecannonPLH@hotmail.com
He's a brain-addled loser and best ignored, lest he become a pestilence.
LC~ Knows all about crazy "IBen/JYoung, et al"...
"Well, you'd ALL better dig on THIS: It is MY little passion-play. Don't forget that. When I find it necessary to reveal anything to ANYBODY, I do it for MY own ends ... not theirs."~ The troll occasionally known as IBenGetiner/Jon Young, making clear his autoerotic delusions, in message <6ba61564.0403180004.62505d31@posting.google.com>
IBen Getiner - 06 May 2005 07:22 GMT Declaw. It worked for us. I know certain people won't want to hear this, but our cat has never been healthier or happier! All the crap you
hear in places like this against declawing is put out there by bunny-hugging blank-stare nut-jobs. Remember that. These are the types of people who would row their already-filled-to-capacity lifeboat back into the sea of drowning desperates at the scene of the Titanic sinking. They are KOOKS. They are to be IGNORED. Set up an appointment to have all ten taken out this week. None of your
liberal KOOK friends will ever know, lest it be YOU who will tell them so!
John Doe - 06 May 2005 07:33 GMT The troll is posting in duplicate now.
> Path: newssvr33.news.prodigy.com!newssvr19.news.prodigy.com!newscon03.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01a.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail > From: "IBen Getiner" <Lappcatt AOL.com> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > liberal KOOK friends will ever know, lest it be YOU who will tell them > so! MaryL - 07 May 2005 15:58 GMT > My 2 cats like to claw things(especially me!) I don't want to declaw them, > but I doupt I can afford to buy any Soft Paws. Is there an easier way to > keep them from clawing without training them? Surgery (declawing) would cost *much* more than Soft Paws -- and along with it would come the possibility of several painful and unpleasant side effects of amputation. This includes early onset of arthritis, biting and inappropriate urination. Even in the "best-case" situations, the cat will never have the same balance as a cat with its claws. That said, you *do* need to train the cat if you do not want it to scratch furniture because scratching is a natural instinct for cats (and is also a form of exercise for them). I have never found it difficult to train a cat to use scratching posts and have not even needed Soft Paws. First, you should have *several* scratching posts available in various parts of the house -- don't expect your cat to go "looking" for one. I have one in every room except the bathrooms. Scratching posts should be very stable because a cat may become frightened if one topples over and then may refuse to use it. Pet Smart has a very tall one available that has both sisal and carpeting. It also has an extended L-shaped base, which adds to the stability. You may want to experiement with various types of coverings. Some cats prefer carpeting, some sisal, some like corrugated cardboard. All of my cats have shown a preference for vertical (upright) surfaces, but some cats like horizontal or sloped surfaces.
Each of my cats learned to use the scratching post almost exclusively within just a few days (even including Duffy, my blind cat, who was approximately 4 years old when I adopted him and had never been trained to a post). I watched the cats *very* closely the first few days after adoption. Any time the cat started to claw anything else, I would say "no" (firmly, but not shouting). Then I would move to a scratching post and tap it or scratch it with my fingernails to attract the cat's attention. When the cat would approach, I would praise lavishly even if he/she only picked slightly at the surface. Soon, they got the idea that this was "a good thing," and they would scratch vigorously any time I tapped the post and called to them. Sometimes I would draw a string (with small toy or even a piece of fabric attached) up and down the post. The cat would follow in play but would invariably begin scratching the surface. Then the praise would begin again. All of this required close attention for a few days, but after that I had no problems. I *never* resorted to yelling, water pistols, or other forms of punishment. Positive reinforcement always worked well, and it has the added benefit of contributing to a loving relationship between cat and hoomin.
A good, tall, sturdy cat tree/condo would be a very worthwhile investment (or one can be made for very little cost if you are "handy" with tools). This will give the cat fun and exercise, and I am sure you will find it delightful to watch. I have one post on mine covered with sisal, so that serves as a scratching post. The others are carpeted. The carpeting would not even be needed for most cats, but it is essential for Duffy, my blind cat, because he uses it for traction as he climbs up and down.
MaryL
Photos of Duffy and Holly: >'o'< http://tinyurl.com/8y54 (Introducing Duffy to Holly) http://tinyurl.com/8y56 (Duffy and Holly "settle in")
Brad - 10 May 2005 07:14 GMT >> My 2 cats like to claw things(especially me!) I don't want to declaw them, >> but I doupt I can afford to buy any Soft Paws. Is there an easier way to [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] >http://tinyurl.com/8y54 (Introducing Duffy to Holly) >http://tinyurl.com/8y56 (Duffy and Holly "settle in") Mary those first few days if you had to leave the house did you put them in a crate or did you leave them out and hope for the best....??
Brad
LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!"
MaryL - 10 May 2005 09:20 GMT >>> My 2 cats like to claw things(especially me!) I don't want to declaw >>> them, [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > > Brad I did not make any special arrangements even when I had to leave them alone during the first few days. The exception was Duffy, but it had nothing to do with scratching posts in his case. I needed to give Duffy time to get accustomed to the house, and I took a very slow, gradual approach in introducting Duffy to Holly (which many of you have read about on this NG). Therefore, he was in a single bedroom during that time.
MaryL
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