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Newborn kittens
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Pam - 03 May 2005 23:36 GMT I have 3 kittens that are about 2 weeks old and have no mother. One of the cats is not gaining weight. We can find no substiture mother and have been feeding them carnation milk with karo syrup. Any other suggestions on how we can nurse them to health?
zuzu22@webtv.net - 03 May 2005 23:53 GMT >I have 3 kittens that are about 2 weeks >old and have no mother. One of the cats [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >other suggestions on how we can nurse >them to health? You need to get these kittens on an appropriate diet NOW. You can buy kitten formula at Petsmart and Petco and I think Walmart has it too. You also need to help them eliminate as at this age they can't do it by themselves. Here is an excellent guide that will show you how to do that and help you help these kittens: http://kittenrescue.org/handbook.htm
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Magic Mood Jeep© - 04 May 2005 00:12 GMT > I have 3 kittens that are about 2 weeks old and have no mother. One > of the cats is not gaining weight. We can find no substiture mother > and have been feeding them carnation milk with karo syrup. Any other > suggestions on how we can nurse them to health? Have they been seen by a vet? If one is not feasable (money wise), have you been to a pet store and bought some KMR (kitten milk replacer). As far as I can tell, you are in the US, and KMR is sold at both pet and grocery stores here. I bought a different brand but basically the same from my vet when I had an abandoned kitten to raise - and boy did he love that stuff. Can't remember the name of it now. Or maybe there is someone locally who can help.
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John Ross Mc Master - 04 May 2005 00:19 GMT >I have 3 kittens that are about 2 weeks old and have no mother. One of >the cats is not gaining weight. We can find no substiture mother and >have been feeding them carnation milk with karo syrup. Any other >suggestions on how we can nurse them to health? Buy kitten formula! $25.00 should be all he needs until he's weaned. The stuff is cheap. It has to be kitten formula, which contains all the trace elements and proteins.
Candy Cane - 04 May 2005 04:25 GMT >I have 3 kittens that are about 2 weeks old and have no mother. One of > the cats is not gaining weight. We can find no substiture mother and > have been feeding them carnation milk with karo syrup. Any other > suggestions on how we can nurse them to health? Have to imagine the help you are in search of is just a phone call away.
Why not pick up the phone and call a veterinarian?
ME - 04 May 2005 04:58 GMT If you tell a vet that you are rescuing these kittens (I'm guessing you found them as strays?) they may give u a free check-up.....Hope this helps
Phil P. - 04 May 2005 12:34 GMT > I have 3 kittens that are about 2 weeks old and have no mother. One of > the cats is not gaining weight. We can find no substiture mother and > have been feeding them carnation milk with karo syrup. Any other > suggestions on how we can nurse them to health? The *first* thing- warm the kittens up; kittens can't digest food very well when they're cold. Kittens less than three weeks old can't regulate their body temperature or retain heat because they can't constrict the blood vessels in their skin to hold in heat. .
Put the kittens in a box and put a heating pad (set on low) on one side of the bottom of the box covered with a few layers of towels. Make sure there's enough room in the box so the kittens can get away from the heating pad if they become too warm. The ambient temperature in the box should be 80-85F. Stick a indoor thermometer in the box so you can monitor the temperature. I usually turn a box on its side so the top opening is facing out instead of up. This position holds the heat in better and I can curve the heating pad up the back (bottom) of the box.
The kittens aren't growing because they're not getting enough protein. Carnation milk doesn't contain enough energy, protein, and fat to sustain a kitten at that age. Also, the lactose level and the calcium-phosphorus ratio are too high.
Get a few cans of KMR (Kitten Milk Replacement)-- Heat the KMR to about 97-100F. Two-week old kittens should weigh about 6-7 ounces and need about 60 cc/day divided into 4 feedings. Don't feed the kittens too much because their stomachs are still small and kidneys and liver aren't fully developed-- they'll develop diarrhea if you overfeed them.
Hold the kittens upright when feeding so they don't aspirate the formula (inhale into the lungs) . If the formula doesn't slowly flow out of the nipple, make the hole a little bigger. *Don't squeeze the bottle*!!!-- Squeezing the bottle can force formula into the lungs and cause aspiration pneumonia and death! After feeding, gently rub their anogenital area with a warm, damp cotton ball to stimulate elimination. The number of stools per day is usually the same as the number of feedings a day.
If they're not gaining weight, increase the caloric density of the formula and *not the volume*-- otherwise you'll overload their digestive system-- This is why I like to mix the powered KMR myself rather than buy the cans of liquid-- I can easily increase or decrease the caloric density as necessary. You can buy a feeding kit that contains everything you need- all you'll have to buy is more KMR and some extra nipples. http://www.maxshouse.com/Illustrations/Kitten_feeding_kit.jpg
In about a week, you can start teaching them to drink formula from a dish and the week after that, you can start adding small amounts of canned kitten food to the formula.
This is just a basic outline. I think you should take the kittens to a vet ASAP for an exam to make sure they don't need special treatment.
Best of luck and congratulations!
Phil
Pam - 05 May 2005 01:17 GMT Phil, Thanks for the advice we saved the babies we found them on the side of the road someone had put them there I am sure to just die, we love animals my daughter brings every stray animal home to me, however I am a single Mom of two and cannot afford to take them to a vet we have asked a few if they could take them on but all say the same we have contacted a few pet stores but had no luck there so we are trying I have not been the greateset Mom since I work and kids are at school We feed them 7am 4pm and 10pm, they are looking pretty healthy all but the one, also how do I bath them we change there bed evey night I wipe them off with a warm wash cloth They have there eyes open and now use the bathroom on there own we put them in my daughters room since she has a water bed her room stays hot but I also have 5 little dogs in my home that are curious so I can't turn the box to the side.
zuzu22@webtv.net - 05 May 2005 02:10 GMT >We feed them 7am 4pm and 10pm This is not nearly enough in terms of feeding. You need to feed them at least every 2-3 hours. It's no wonder one of them isn't thriving and if you continue this way you'll end up with dead kittens.
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Cheryl - 05 May 2005 02:27 GMT On Wed 04 May 2005 09:10:36p, wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav (news:564-4279728C-33@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net):
>>We feed them 7am 4pm and 10pm > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Megan Megan, what can she do if she can't be around for 2 hour feedings, and can't find a rescue group to take them?
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Mary - 05 May 2005 02:31 GMT > On Wed 04 May 2005 09:10:36p, wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav > (news:564-4279728C-33@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net): [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Megan, what can she do if she can't be around for 2 hour feedings, > and can't find a rescue group to take them? Take them to a vet when she goes to work and they will feed them. I did this with a kitten whose mother rejected it.
zuzu22@webtv.net - 05 May 2005 02:45 GMT >what can she do if she can't be around >for 2 hour feedings, and can't find a >rescue group to take them? Find a friend to help, take them to work, step up finding a rescue group to help, etc. Whatever it takes. Malnutrition is not an option.
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Pam - 07 May 2005 00:37 GMT Megan, We are doing our best with them if we had left them they would already be dead, Tomarrow they will be a little over 3 weeks old, and a bit of good news I guess praying helps because the little one that i was so worried about is gaining weight again and trys to get out of the box.
John Ross Mc Master - 05 May 2005 02:30 GMT >Phil, Thanks for the advice we saved the babies we found them on the >side of the road someone had put them there I am sure to just die, we [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >but I also have 5 little dogs in my home that are curious so I can't >turn the box to the side. What you've done so far is a start. Feed them more often and feed then kitten formula. Its $25 tops at a vet or pet food store. Pay for it by cutting down on carbs for yourself--always good advice for anyone, no insult meant.
Mary - 05 May 2005 02:32 GMT > Phil, Thanks for the advice we saved the babies we found them on the > side of the road someone had put them there I am sure to just die, we > love animals my daughter brings every stray animal home to me, however > I am a single Mom of two and cannot afford to take them to a vet I see--do you have a friend who could feed them every two hours while you work?
Phil P. - 05 May 2005 16:43 GMT > Phil, Thanks for the advice we saved the babies we found them on the > side of the road someone had put them there I am sure to just die, we [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I have not been the greateset Mom since I work and kids are at school > We feed them 7am 4pm and 10pm, Oh no! Nine hours between feedings is *much* *much* too long! Young kittens are predisposed to *life-threatening* hypoglycemia because they have a very limited ability for storing glycogen and their capacity for gluconeogenesis isn't adequate yet. *Please* make arrangements to have the kittens fed every 3 or 4 hours at the *least*. If you can't find anyone to feed the kittens, call your vet- many vets have clients who work will help kittens of people who can't feed them on schedule. If this doesn't work, perhaps you can take your vacation time a little early or your sick days.
Pam - 09 May 2005 23:37 GMT Just to let everyone know we went to wal-mart and i bought a kitten formula for 3.89 a can so they are on proper milk now, they are starting to chew on the nipples of the bottles, a friend of mine said they can start eating kitten food with milk as early as 4 weeks of age which will be at the end of the week. Still wish i had a better report on feeding times but where I live a vet is about 45 minutes away and they do not have any services to help me out, so we are still doing our best..
John Ross Mc Master - 10 May 2005 00:02 GMT >Just to let everyone know we went to wal-mart and i bought a kitten >formula for 3.89 a can so they are on proper milk now, they are [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >they do not have any services to help me out, so we are still doing >our best.. It sounds like you are doing what you can for the kittens, and that you care a lot for them. But try to increase the # of times per day that they are being fed. There must be somebody willing to help out.
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