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svendlho@aol.com - 29 Apr 2005 14:16 GMT
Ok, this may seem ironic. Many of the regulars here know that my wife
and I had our three kittens declawed last summer. They are now fine and
in great health and show none of the terrible side effects I was told
to expect. But none of this is the reason for this post.

My wife was recently diagnosed with breast cancer. Her first biopsy
yielded an almost microscopic concentration of cancerous cells. Since
that time, no more cancer has been found anywhere in her body and she
is now, as far as we know, cancer free. She had a subsequent biopsy on
her right breast, her lymph nodes, and her left breast. All biopsies
since the first one have come back negative. She has also been tested
gentically, which was also negative. That is to say, the gene we all
posess which helps us fight off breast cancer is functioning fine in
her. Because of her age (38 when diagnosed), and the aggressive strain
of cancer found in her(which is resistant to conventional oral meds),
and the fact that three of her dozen aunts had breast cancer, she will
need Chemotherapy, even though she is seemingly cancer free. Her first
session is next Friday.

Here is the reason for this post. Aside from the side effects of chemo
we were aware of, there are others we didn't know about. Specifically,
she can't get sick for the next several months and also must avoid any
cuts scrapes and scratches, since her immune system will be reduced and
she will not clot properly.

As you know, our three cats, all front declawed, are about a year old.
All very active, all very fiesty, and depend on there back claws, and
use them a lot. I trim them weekly, but they grow very fast. Aside from
using common sense, and being careful in how often and the manner she
handles them, what else can we do to make sure they don't cut or
scratch my wife?

Also, I realize there are very few ways a cat can make a human sick,
but can she catch something from them. We assume that she doesn't need
worry about anything that won't routinely make a human sick, but they
do sleep on out pillows in very close proximity to our heads. Maybe we
are being overly cautious or parnoid, but we want to be sure. We change
all three litter boxes every few days and scoop them daily. One is in
our bedroom

We could seal them off from us and limit her exposure to them, but we
prefer not to, as they are wonderful therapy and seem to know when we
'need attntion'. They also reduce stress and are close companions and
confidants.

Less anyone think this is some thinly veiled lame attempt to justify
our original decision to have them declawed, I freely admit that we did
that for possibly vane and selfish reasons, and that we declawed them
months before a telltale spot appeared on my wife's mammogram. Please
don't use this post as further ammo to slam me for declawing my cats.
We've been through it before.

Has anyone been through a similar situation? Looking for some insight
here. I know there are some compassionate and helpful people here, and
I would greatly appreciate your insight.

Carl in CT
Jeannette S. - 29 Apr 2005 14:32 GMT
This is too serious a subject to throw open for public discussion,
especially here.

I strongly suggest you speak to a therapist instead of relying on strangers
to make decisions.

Period.
svendlho@aol.com - 29 Apr 2005 14:40 GMT
I've also been through this before. I have often encouraged that anyone
who read this board NOT depend on it for serious health advice for
their cats. Or for ourselves. We have spoken to our doctors about the
cats, but the purpose of this post is for real life experiences,
insight, and life stories.

I did state in my original post tha I was probably being paranoid and
overly cautious.

Also, I don't think anyting is too serious to throw out for public
devouring if it's among like minded people. If I receive even the
smallest bit of helpful advice or insight, it was well worth it. It's
very possible someone will have a suggestion that we or our doctors
overlooked.

Carl
Jeannette S. - 29 Apr 2005 14:51 GMT
OK, let's compromise...

Post away to your heart's content, but print out the thread and share with
trusted friend/advisor..someone in the real world. If you read through some
of the other posts (especially the Bengal Cats or any of the 100+ long
threads) you'll see how some people get..

Assuming that everyone here is like-minded is exactly that- an assumption.
I've been there - there's a limit to these message boards. For basic
information, they are very good - if your wife just had allergies, for
example.

But this is a life-threatening situation..take in all the information you
can..but be sure to review it with someone you know personally and trust.

My thoughts are with you in this difficult time.
Steve G - 29 Apr 2005 15:17 GMT
svend...@aol.com wrote:
(...)
> use them a lot. I trim them weekly, but they grow very fast. Aside from
> using common sense, and being careful in how often and the manner she
> handles them, what else can we do to make sure they don't cut or
> scratch my wife?

Softclaws / paws? (Are they 100% effective in preventing scratches, I
wonder).

Rear claws tend to be relatively blunt anyway - have you / your wife
ever been scratched by 'em so far? Is it only broken skin that's a
problem?

I don't know your cats, but TBH, I expect you could avoid a rear-claw
scratch just by your own behaviour - i.e., don't pick cat up, don't pet
the belly, etc.

HTH,
S.
svendlho@aol.com - 29 Apr 2005 15:25 GMT
We thought so too, but we've gotten some nasty scratches from them.
Also, putting softpaws on the rear claws of declawed cats would almost
completely incpacitate them. (And as long as they stay on, they are
100% effective at preventing scratches)

Carl
Karen - 29 Apr 2005 15:37 GMT
Well for gawd's sake don't declaw the back. I would purchase soft paws and
have the vet apply them. Something you could have done for the front claws
as well. Hope your wife's chemo goes well.

> Ok, this may seem ironic. Many of the regulars here know that my wife
> and I had our three kittens declawed last summer. They are now fine and
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>
> Carl in CT
Barb - 29 Apr 2005 15:56 GMT
A friend of mine had heavy duty chemo for 6 months for breast cancer.   Her
cat-not declawed- stayed with her through all of  that.  She is fine now.

I had breast cancer-early detection-with surgery and radiation.  I credit my
three cats with hastening my recovery.  My surgeon let me out of the
hospital in half the time he originally had said because it was no longer
medically necessary for me to stay and although he gave me a choice to stay
the rest of the time I was in a hurry to get home because no one can care
for my cats like I can.

Speak to your wife's doctor and make your own decisions.

Good luck,
Barb

--
Barb
Of course I don't look busy,
I did it right the first time.
KellyH - 29 Apr 2005 15:58 GMT
> Ok, this may seem ironic. Many of the regulars here know that my wife
> and I had our three kittens declawed last summer. They are now fine and
> in great health and show none of the terrible side effects I was told
> to expect. But none of this is the reason for this post.
<snip>
> Here is the reason for this post. Aside from the side effects of chemo
> we were aware of, there are others we didn't know about. Specifically,
> she can't get sick for the next several months and also must avoid any
> cuts scrapes and scratches, since her immune system will be reduced and
> she will not clot properly.

<snip>

My only RL experience with this type of situation:  I had a woman bring in a
stray cat to the shelter that showed up at their house.  She really wanted
to keep the cat, but wasn't sure she could because her husband had just had
a heart transplant.  I know this isn't chemo, but the reasons for not having
a cat were pretty much the same.  She went home, talked it over with the
husband and his doctors, and the doctors said the cat was fine as long as
the husband didn't handle the litter.  Didn't say anything about scratches.
She came back and adopted the cat.

Re SoftPaws:  I have them on one of my cats, front and back, as he tends to
launch off of me with his rear feet.  I would not say he is incapacitated at
all.  He runs, jumps, climbs the cat tower, etc.  He is indoor-only, I would
not do this on an in/out cat.  I'm assuming your cats, esp being declawed,
are indoor-only.

I'm sorry about your wife.  I hope she pulls through.

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-Kelly

mlbriggs - 29 Apr 2005 18:30 GMT
On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 06:16:45 -0700, svendlho wrote:

> Ok, this may seem ironic. Many of the regulars here know that my wife and
> I had our three kittens declawed last summer. They are now fine and in
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>
> Carl in CT

This is not advice but we can only answer from personal experience.
Before chemo became popular, a preventative measure was to remove the
ovaries.  As long as future childbearing isn't an issue, this is one form
of treatment.  You might discuss this with your doctor.    This treatment
worked for me for 40 years.   MLB
bookbug2005 - 29 Apr 2005 19:52 GMT
>Also, I realize there are very few ways a cat can make a >human sick,
>but can she catch something from them. We assume that >she doesn't
need
>worry about anything that won't routinely make a human >sick, but they

>do sleep on out pillows in very close proximity to our >heads. Maybe
we
>are being overly cautious or parnoid, but we want to be >sure. We
change
>all three litter boxes every few days and scoop them daily. >One is in

>our bedroom

First off, keep your wife away from the litter box.  The concern is for
a parasite called Toxoplasmosis gondii, which may be present in cat
feces.  In a healthy individual, this parasite is of little concern
(except to pregnant women--the fetus can be harmed), however, in
immunocompromised people, it can cause problems.  The chemo will
compromise your wife's immune system.  Here is the CDC site, which
discusses toxoplasmosis and the precautions one should take in regard
to his/her cat:

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dpd/parasites/toxoplasmosis/factsht_toxoplasmosis.htm

And,  I would not hesitate to put the soft claws on the back paws.  As
long as your cats are indoor cats, they will be fine.  Maybe a bit
clumsy at first, but it will pass.  And they won't have to wear them
forever.

Michelle (medical lab tech in a previous life.)
Mary - 29 Apr 2005 20:58 GMT
> On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 06:16:45 -0700, svendlho wrote:

> This is not advice but we can only answer from personal experience.
> Before chemo became popular, a preventative measure was to remove the
> ovaries.

As a treatment for breast cancer? Really? Do you know what it was
supposed to do? (And congrats on being cancer free for 40 years!)

As long as future childbearing isn't an issue, this is one form
> of treatment.  You might discuss this with your doctor.    This treatment
> worked for me for 40 years.   MLB
William Hamblen - 30 Apr 2005 04:22 GMT
>As a treatment for breast cancer? Really? Do you know what it was
>supposed to do? (And congrats on being cancer free for 40 years!)

Some tumors are stimulated by hormones.
Mary - 30 Apr 2005 18:31 GMT
> >As a treatment for breast cancer? Really? Do you know what it was
> >supposed to do? (And congrats on being cancer free for 40 years!)
>
> Some tumors are stimulated by hormones.

Of course. Thanks, I knew about estrogen from things like
hormone replacement aggravating breast cancer. I should have
made the connection.
Christopher C. Stacy - 29 Apr 2005 19:57 GMT
> Ok, this may seem ironic. Many of the regulars here know that my
> wife and I had our three kittens declawed last summer.

If your wife had kittens, whether they were declawed or not,
then you indeed have a very serious health issue.

On a more serious note: if her immune system is very compromised,
you might ask your doctor whether toxoplasmosis is an issue.
See <http://www.sbri.org/diseases/toxoplasmosis.asp>
Adam Helberg - 29 Apr 2005 21:32 GMT
> Ok, this may seem ironic. Many of the regulars here know that my wife
> and I had our three kittens declawed last summer. They are now fine and
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>
> Carl in CT

To remove the possibility of scrapes and cuts you need to declaw the rear legs and
have the teeth removed as well. You could also ask you dentist about having your
teeth removed?

Adam
Mary - 29 Apr 2005 21:56 GMT
> > Ok, this may seem ironic. Many of the regulars here know that my wife
> > and I had our three kittens declawed last summer. They are now fine and
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> have the teeth removed as well. You could also ask you dentist about having your
> teeth removed?

I think Carl will probably opt for getting rid of the cats. The other things
would be so
expensive. I mean, really, those upholstered walls for which he declawed his
three
kittens will wear out one day and he will have to reupholster them. After
all,
upholstered walls never go out of style.
Annie Wxill - 29 Apr 2005 23:27 GMT
...>
Specifically,
> she can't get sick for the next several months and also must avoid any
> cuts scrapes and scratches, since her immune system will be reduced and
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> handles them, what else can we do to make sure they don't cut or
> scratch my wife?
... Maybe we
> are being overly cautious or parnoid, but we want to be sure. ...
> Carl in CT

Carl,

First, I hope your wife has a rapid and complete recovery without any
complications from the chemo.

I can understand your concern for your wife during her treatment and
recovery.

As for the possibility of injury from your cats, I'd guess that if your cats
did not usually "cut or scratch" your wife before her breast cancer, she is
not too likely to be injured during her treatment.

If she generally has injuries, she should think about how they came about
and make adjustments in the environment or her interaction with the cats to
prevent a reoccurrence.

If your cats, for instance, jump into your wife's lap, she can wear long
pants or cover her lap to prevent accidental "traction" injuries from the
back claws if they suddenly jump off.

I hope that you will not even consider declawing the back feet.  As you
said, they "depend" on their back claws, and you are able to trim them.  If
they are growing out rapidly, I suggest you trim them even more often, as
often as it takes.

Remember, this situation is temporary, and your wife will get better and not
have to be so cautious.

Meanwhile, if your wife is anything like my husband and me, the cats will
not be your major worry.

None of our cats has been declawed, and while we have not had the special
situation you now have with your wife needing to stay injury free, I can say
that over the years we have had many more nicks and cuts from ordinary
household chores than from the cats.

Again,
best wishes,
Annie
Mary - 30 Apr 2005 03:15 GMT
> <svendlho@aol.com> wrote in message

> I hope that you will not even consider declawing the back feet.  As you
> said, they "depend" on their back claws, and you are able to trim them.  If
> they are growing out rapidly, I suggest you trim them even more often, as
> often as it takes.

This is the guy who could not be bothered to train his three
kittens where to scratch appropriately. There is no way he is
going to bother to cut the rear claws of three cats. These cats
are throwaways. He demonstrated that when he declawed
them due to the upholstered walls. I believe he said he did
it in part to keep his wife happy, so she will not want to be
bothered either. As long as there is not some reason why
they might get in the way, Carl will keep the cats. When
they do get in the way or become more trouble than the
ornamentation they provide is worth, they will be on their
own. We may never know about it, but that is what will
happen.
svendlho@aol.com - 30 Apr 2005 19:32 GMT
> > <svendlho@aol.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> own. We may never know about it, but that is what will
> happen.

Y'know, Mary, I really didn't want to get into this with you again.
I'll just say that we are under no circumstances getting rid of these
three cats. If you have nothing pertinanat to this post, couldn't you
just keep it to yourself?

Yeah, I know, it's not your way. Why not just come out and say what
everyone here who knows you knows your thinking. I'm quite sure you
consider breast cancer some kind of warped karma for declawing our
cats.
Annie Wxill - 30 Apr 2005 20:08 GMT
(snip)
Carl,
Once again, best wishes to your wife and to you, because this is a hard time
for you both.  Please just screen out negative thoughts and use your energy
to concentrate on restoring your wife's health.
I had something similar to what your wife had, i.e. a small case of breast
cancer, caught in the microscopic stages.  I was fortunate in that I did not
have to have any further treatment after the minor outpatient surgery.
I think it was harder on my husband than it was on me.  He likes to think of
himself as my knight in shining armor, ready to slay dragons if necessary.
But he could do nothing to this dragon, and it was difficult for him.
To keep this on-topic, I came home after the surgery and went to bed to
sleep off the anesthesia.  When I woke a few hours later, our two cats were
sitting, one on each side of me and looking down at me. It was a great
comfort to me.
The odd thing was that before the surgery, they would walk all over me.
After the surgery they both were careful not to walk on my chest.  I knew I
was healed when they began walking on my chest again.
Cats can be extremely intuitive and good caregivers when given the chance.
Annie
svendlho@aol.com - 30 Apr 2005 20:17 GMT
You have no Idea! As men, we tend to put ourselves under this
chivalrous, outdated repsonsibility of pretecting our wives. I cannot
protect her from this. I've never felt more helpless in my life.
Jeannette S. - 30 Apr 2005 20:20 GMT
That "karma" you're talking about comes through quite clearly on your first
post. On one hand you know how this group feels about declawing...and then
you're asking for sympathy and advice about your wife. Another post pointed
out that you mentioned declawing four times.

I think it is actually - you, who feels in some way that this misfortune
has befallen you because you declawed your cats.

If you had gotten them neutered or spayed (or had their fur dyed purple),
you wouldn't be making this link.

You're using this site as an emotional outlet, which, as I said at the
beginning - is ill-advised. Print out this thread and take it to a
therapist ASAP, you'll have enough material to talk about for months.

Is there a Gilda's Club somewhere in your area? Maybe New Haven or
Hartford, if they're close. That might be a better outlet for your anguish
than this.

svendlho@aol.com - 30 Apr 2005 14:32  

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"Y'know, Mary, I really didn't want to get into this with you again.
I'll just say that we are under no circumstances getting rid of these
three cats. If you have nothing pertinanat to this post, couldn't you
just keep it to yourself?

Yeah, I know, it's not your way. Why not just come out and say what
everyone here who knows you knows your thinking. I'm quite sure you
consider breast cancer some kind of warped karma for declawing our
cats."
svendlho@aol.com - 30 Apr 2005 20:36 GMT
Well, thank you doctor. Seems someone else wants to throw their hat
into the ring.

I know, it all goes back to my mother.

Actually, my post was in search of practial advice and real life
experience. Both of which I got in return from some very nice posters.
The fact that they are declawed is very pertinant to the subject
matter. I certainly don't feel we deserved cancer in our lives for
declawing our cats, and I only accused another poster of thinking it,
because when I originally posted to this group, she indirectly
insinuated several different fates my family and I deserve for
declawing our cats. She also directly supported another poster who
suggest my wife, 12 yo daughter, and 18 yo daughter outh to be raped,
tortured, and brutally killed because we had out cats declawed (try to
deny it mary).

Get the hell off you high horse.
Annie Wxill - 30 Apr 2005 21:55 GMT
Carl,

Please do not spend energy on this potential flame war.  People are free to
post whatever they think. Not every post must have a response.
Stay focused on providing positive, healing energy for your wife.
Annie
Mary - 30 Apr 2005 22:33 GMT
She also directly supported another poster who
> suggest my wife, 12 yo daughter, and 18 yo daughter outh to be raped,
> tortured, and brutally killed because we had out cats declawed (try to
> deny it mary).

Oh, man, I missed this part. Carl, you are insane. I never
said anything of the kind, nor would I support someone  who
did. Get a grip on yourself, man.
Mary - 30 Apr 2005 21:16 GMT
> That "karma" you're talking about comes through quite clearly on your first
> post. On one hand you know how this group feels about declawing...and then
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I think it is actually - you, who feels in some way that this misfortune
> has befallen you because you declawed your cats.

I sure never said that. I never even thought it.

> If you had gotten them neutered or spayed (or had their fur dyed purple),
> you wouldn't be making this link.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Hartford, if they're close. That might be a better outlet for your anguish
> than this.

I think this is sound advice, and a good assessment.

> svendlho@aol.com - 30 Apr 2005 14:32
>
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> consider breast cancer some kind of warped karma for declawing our
> cats."
Mary - 30 Apr 2005 21:25 GMT
> > > <svendlho@aol.com> wrote in message
> >
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> three cats. If you have nothing pertinanat to this post, couldn't you
> just keep it to yourself?

My comments were certainly pertinent. Admit it, you would never
take the time to trim the back claws of three cats every month or so.

> Yeah, I know, it's not your way. Why not just come out and say what
> everyone here who knows you knows your thinking. I'm quite sure you
> consider breast cancer some kind of warped karma for declawing our
> cats.

This never even occurred to me. But it does sound like something Lynnie
would say, the vicious bitch. She was just posting about a woman who
declawed her cats and later had her house burn down, with the cats in
it. Lyn (gentleboa@ peacmail.com aka usenetlyn@yahoo.com)
thought that was great, and implied that she wishes something similar
would happen to me, because I will not allow her harrassment of me
to keep me from posting. (Fat f.cking chance, lol)

You knew declawing was wrong before you butchered the feet of
those beautiful kittens. If you see some kind of "karma" working
here, fine, but don't say I do. I never said or thought anything like
that and I never would.
Spot - 30 Apr 2005 00:11 GMT
I would be more concerned with her exposure to friends and family than I
would be of the cats.  She is more likely to contract a cold or pneumonia
from a human than a serious infection from a cat scratch.  I say that due to
the fact that I have a kidney transplant and my immune system has been in a
compromised state for almost 9 years now.  I've gotten sick more times than
I can count from people who don't have enough sense to cover their mouths
when they cough to even try to keep from breathing on someone when they are
up close to them.  All this time I have had 3 cats and 2 dogs in the house
and haven't had any problems with any infections due to scratches.

The joy & health benefits your wife would get from petting and just having
the cats close by far outweigh any risk.  The main things are that she not
clean the cat box and if she would get any type of scratch that you clean it
immediately with peroxide and put on antibiotic ointment.  If you just use
some common sense you'll see everything will work out.

Celeste

> Ok, this may seem ironic. Many of the regulars here know that my wife
> and I had our three kittens declawed last summer. They are now fine and
[quoted text clipped - 53 lines]
>
> Carl in CT
William Hamblen - 30 Apr 2005 04:17 GMT
>Also, I realize there are very few ways a cat can make a human sick,
>but can she catch something from them. We assume that she doesn't need
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>all three litter boxes every few days and scoop them daily. One is in
>our bedroom

She could avoid picking up the cats or roughhousing with them and
avoid scooping the litter herself.  The litter could involve
toxoplasmosis and a cat scratch or bite has a potential for infection.
bigbadbarry - 30 Apr 2005 05:46 GMT
svend...@aol.com wrote:
> Ok, this may seem ironic. Many of the regulars here know that my wife
> and I had our three kittens declawed last summer.

O N E
-----

> My wife was recently diagnosed with breast cancer.

Hello, I am sorry to hear that.

> must avoid anycuts scrapes and scratches, since her immune system
will be reduced and
> she will not clot properly.
> what else can we do to make sure they don't cut or
> scratch my wife?

> as they are wonderful therapy and seem to know when we
> 'need attntion'.

Sounds like they are lucky to have you two

> our original decision to have them declawed

T W O
-----

> and that we declawed them

T H R E E
---------

> ammo to slam me for declawing my cats.

F O U R
-------

I'm just making and observation here, but 4 times you bring up the
thing you don't want nobody to say nothing about.

> We've been through it before.

> Has anyone been through a similar situation? Looking for some insight
> here. I know there are some compassionate and helpful people here, and
> I would greatly appreciate your insight.
>
> Carl in CT

I think the most you can do to keep from getting scratched, would be
don't try to make a cat visit when he don't want to...and over time,
nuture mutual owner/cat respect. He will come and find me and lay at my
feet, and sometimes I go find him and curl up beside him...sometimes I
find him sleeping good, and I don't bother him see...
cmtowle - 30 Apr 2005 19:36 GMT
...snipped...

> My wife was recently diagnosed with breast cancer. Her first biopsy
> yielded an almost microscopic concentration of cancerous cells. Since
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> need Chemotherapy, even though she is seemingly cancer free. Her first
> session is next Friday.

Hi,

I am very sorry that you are going through this - it it challenging and
difficult, but your cats, rather than a danger, will continue to be a
wonderful source of support if basic common-sense precautions are taken,
none of them onerous. You have far more to fear from humans, so make sure
that exposure to friends' or family members' contagious illnesses is
minimized as much as possible, no matter how inocuous they sound. In your
home it is far easier, of course, to control - outside in the community, it
is a bit more of a challenge.

We have a local hospice/care home which houses severely immuno-compromised
patients exclusively. There are several fully-clawed cats in residence that
are very much loved and considered part of the staff. There are no problems
whatsoever and they are, as you can imagine, handled a lot. Patients are
educated re taking care and all is well. Please be aware of physicians who
are not educated in terms of the immuno-compromised patient and animals and
often counsel patients to get rid of their animals because it's the simplest
thing to do from their point of view. There is absolutely no indication for
this whatsoever.

Here is a link from PAWS San Francisco with some useful information and
links about immuno-compromised patients and companion animals:
http://www.pawssf.org/library_yourcatyourhealth.htm

> Here is the reason for this post. Aside from the side effects of chemo
> we were aware of, there are others we didn't know about. Specifically,
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> handles them, what else can we do to make sure they don't cut or
> scratch my wife?

There is far more danger of cutting oneself in the home to be aware of
(minimize possibility of falling, tripping, cutting with knife, scissors,
etc.) than harm from the cats.

> Also, I realize there are very few ways a cat can make a human sick,
> but can she catch something from them. We assume that she doesn't need
> worry about anything that won't routinely make a human sick, but they
> do sleep on out pillows in very close proximity to our heads.

If you clip their back nails (watch for the quick) and they are not
rambunctious with you at night, I would not remove them from the bedroom.
The comfort you and your wife get from having them in your proximity and
your bond with them is very important to your and their emotional
well-being.

>Maybe we
> are being overly cautious or parnoid, but we want to be sure. We change
> all three litter boxes every few days and scoop them daily.

Here is where you should make changes. The best would be for you but not
your wife to look after the litter-boxes while she is undergoing chemo and
its aftermath and for her to not come into contact with the kitties' feces.
Meticulous litter-box cleaning must be continued.

>One is in
> our bedroom
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> 'need attntion'. They also reduce stress and are close companions and
> confidants.

Absolutely! There is no need to limit her exposure to them - in fact that
would *add* to the stress both of you are undergoing and it may add to the
cats' stress.

...snipped...

> Has anyone been through a similar situation? Looking for some insight
> here. I know there are some compassionate and helpful people here, and
> I would greatly appreciate your insight.
>
> Carl in CT

This is a stressful time for you both and if you educate yourself as to
common-sense precautions, they will become automatic in time and stop
worrying about them as much as possible, you can both focus on her getting
everything she needs to be comfortable and get well. The cats are a very
large part of this.

I hope some of the above helps.

I wish you and your wife strength as well as the best of care and support.

M.
bigbadbarry - 01 May 2005 04:41 GMT
>  This is a stressful time for you both and if you educate yourself as to
> common-sense precautions, they will become automatic in time and stop
> worrying about them as much as possible, you can both focus on her getting
> everything she needs to be comfortable and get well.

>The cats are a very large part of this.

Could you expand on that last part just a little...

> I hope some of the above helps.
>
> I wish you and your wife strength as well as the best of care and support.
>
> M.

I like your ideas about the "care" center, so you guys incorporate the
cats as part of the therapy, or is this by default.

Im not a fanatic about too many things, not as a habit, I get the
feeling by your post you feel pretty avid about incorporating cats, and
tout the benefits.

I tell ya, If I ever need the care you provide, I hope the director as
yourself brings on the cats! hoo haa

I'd tell the nurse..."baby bring me another cat, i caught a little
chill"..

put the cats near the heater right before you goto bed, little hot
water bottles

I know they keep little critters like salimanders, moths and stuff in
check / as it relates to cleanliness. When they catch mice or rabbits,
I believe they don't kill them by instinct (just subdue them)so as to
keep them fresh for later use.

Later
cmtowle - 02 May 2005 17:10 GMT
> >  This is a stressful time for you both and if you educate yourself as
> to
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>
> Could you expand on that last part just a little...

...not sure which part you mean...

> > I hope some of the above helps.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> I like your ideas about the "care" center, so you guys incorporate the
> cats as part of the therapy, or is this by default.

The hospice is modelled as close as possible to a home rather than a
hospital and having cats as part of the environment with all of the benefits
that entails is very much by design. How things play out, as in any home,
depends on the interaction between the different animals, human and non....

...snipped...

M.
bigbadbarry - 02 May 2005 23:54 GMT
> ...not sure which part you mean...

Oh; I just meant, how was they a large part

but kinda re-reading the whole thread, I would have to agree

cats are quite in the scene when they are on the scene

Though they be small they have a very felt presence

CM...would you like to add anything to this?...

anyone, anyone!

And soooo bleh blah blah rooo blu rah.

just kidding.
Mary - 03 May 2005 00:13 GMT
> cats are quite in the scene when they are on the scene
>
> Though they be small they have a very felt presence

Very poetic!
 
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