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Telecomdani@aol.com - 23 Apr 2005 16:03 GMT
Hi all,

I need some hints on the best way handle the cat while cutting his
claws. He is still skiddish and still will not go near my husband - so
this will be a one lady job.  :O)

Thanks

Danielle

http://homepage.mac.com/roxy6671/KitKat/PhotoAlbum20.html
Karen - 23 Apr 2005 16:43 GMT
> Hi all,
>
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>
> http://homepage.mac.com/roxy6671/KitKat/PhotoAlbum20.html

I always get them when they are super sleepy and relaxed. May only do one or
two at a time. Your kitty is young enough, you should be able to get him
used to it. I would try giving a special kind of treat after you clip so he
associates it with a good thing. Does he lap sit? If so, try massaging his
feet gently when he sits on your lap, desisting when he gets antsy, to get
him used to handling them. Use the scissor kind of clippers with the little
"claw indent". I find those easiest to use.
dragon - 23 Apr 2005 17:04 GMT
Telecomd...@aol.com wrote:
> Hi all,
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Danielle

I kneel on the floor with kitty between my knees.  I cross my feet
behind cat so they can't back out that way.  Hunching over them, and
enclosing them with my arms, I can get their front claws done without
too much trouble.  Have to have help to do the back ones
though...although, thankfully, they grow much more slowly than the
front ones.  Good luck!

dragon
Philip - 23 Apr 2005 18:45 GMT
> Hi all,
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Thanks

I'm pretty good at this process.  I've done it -to- numerous cats over the
years that were totally strange to me simply because their owners would
rather put up with shredded upholsteries.

Pick up the cat.  Hold it close to your chest and explain what is about to
happen.  Show ... and let them smell the little claw clippers you're about
to use on them. Use the little scissor-like claw clippers with the indent
for the claw in the blades.

Sit down and put the cat on its back between your legs with its head resting
on your belt buckle.

Use your thumb under each pad in turn and press just hard enough to extend
the claw a bit.  Snip off the hooked talon and no further.  KEEP TALKING to
the cat all the time you're doing this.  Many will start to resist when
there is silence during the snips.  Do this all quickly and with confidence
... don't dawdle along.  The cat will keenly sense any trepidation on your
part and then try to escape.

The whole process should take about 3 minutes.

Then massage all its little feet ... keep talking to the cat telling it how
much better things will be ... and then let it down on the floor.

Your done.  Pat yourself on the back.  :^)

> Danielle
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/roxy6671/KitKat/PhotoAlbum20.html 
Mary - 23 Apr 2005 18:57 GMT
> > Hi all,
> >
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> Pick up the cat.  Hold it close to your chest and explain what is about to
> happen.

:O) Phillip, I like your style! I am constantly explaining things to
my cats this way, but then I have to go and answer for them
in a leetle tiny falsetto--"but I don't understand English! Tell
me in cat!"
Philip - 24 Apr 2005 04:40 GMT
>>> Hi all,
>>>
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> in a leetle tiny falsetto--"but I don't understand English! Tell
> me in cat!"

Hahhahah!   You could recite Shakespeare ... it wouldn't matter.  The idea
is for the cat to pick up on a tone of determination and confidence in your
voice.  Trimming claws single handed (not like that nice video on
www.snittens.com/newcat.wmv  where one person holds the cat while another
clips) starts off as a confidence game with the cat.  Then you go for it
with determination. No amount of wriggling about will deter you from your
appointed duty!!!  (Sounds like the postman's oath, right?  LOL).

Carry on.
Mary - 24 Apr 2005 07:49 GMT
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> is for the cat to pick up on a tone of determination and confidence in your
> voice.

I agree! I wish more people felt this way.
Mary - 23 Apr 2005 18:53 GMT
> Hi all,
>
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>
> Danielle

KellyH just posted this yesterday, it is great. That is
her cat Newcat starring in the video!

www.snittens.com/newcat.wmv
-L. - 24 Apr 2005 06:53 GMT
> Hi all,
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Danielle

>From an old post:

My experience is that the more you do it, the more they get used to
it.

Good technique and tools are esssential.  I like to use the
small, blunt-nosed, notched, scissor-like clippers (Groommax Cat Nail
Clippers:
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47208699ac8b6b
),
as they are less obtrusive and easier to handle. I've trimmed claws on
hundreds of cats (used to be a groomer), and those work for me.  You
will
eventually find a set of tools and a routine that works for you, if
you stick with it long enough.  Also, the vet can give you lessons in
technique if you need them.

The method I use is this:

While standing, place the cat on a folded towel, on an *unfamiliar*++
table, with his head to your left.  Put his body close to yours so
that you can lean to the outside (furthest from your body) and clip
first the fronts, and then the backs (or vice-verse - I do both).
When clipping the fronts, I pull the paw up and out, and kinda behind
their head, so that if they do try to bite, they have to go past their
own arm to do so, which gives me enough time to get away.  When
clipping the backs, I just pull the foot out, or in some cases, I
gently flip it back.  As I do the backs, I block the head with my arm
and elbow, so that the cat can't reach around and bite.

Flip kitty 180 degrees (this is why you have him on a towel), and
repeat the procedure on the other side.  Let go, and watch him fly!
;o)

Obviously, if you have any cats that are real biters (rather than
nippers), you have to have someone scruff them while you trim their
nails.  If the cat remains difficult to trim, I suggest having your
vet do it for you (should be free or less than $10).  Also, the vet
may be able to help you improve your technique so that it becomes
much easier for you.

++The reason you put the cat in an unfamiliar placve to do the
trimming is that it distracts the cat, and allows it to focus on
something other than biting you.  If you trim in the cat's own
"territory" it knows exactly where to move, where to jump to, and
where to hide.  I do the trimming on my kitchen island, since that is
a place the cats are not familiar with.  A folding table in an
attached garage would serve the same purpose.

HTH,
-L.
Adam Helberg - 25 Apr 2005 04:56 GMT
> Hi all,
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/roxy6671/KitKat/PhotoAlbum20.html

I'm not as patient or as skilled as the others, so I put my Freddy into a zipped bag
to do this:

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3159&N=2002+2015

Adam
-L. - 25 Apr 2005 06:46 GMT
> I'm not as patient or as skilled as the others, so I put my Freddy into a zipped bag
> to do this:

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3159&N=2002+2015

> Adam

Just a word of caution.  Cats have had panic attacks and died as a
result of using body restraint bags.  Be *extremely* careful that your
cat doesn't get too stressed out if you use it.  Personally, I think
they should be banned for being inhumane.

-L.
Philip - 25 Apr 2005 08:48 GMT
>> I'm not as patient or as skilled as the others, so I put my Freddy
> into a zipped bag
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> -L.

I agree.  Besides panic attacks, any broken bones while trying to escape
such a restraint?  This is a good illustration of why I flip the cat on it's
back between my legs.  No traction.  IN a bag ... traction.
chrisoakey@msn.com - 25 Apr 2005 10:27 GMT
The more confident and stern I get with my cat, the more he struggles
and panics.  I have to always do everything when he is on my lap and
sleepy, and  not very aware! I rub his neck and fuss him while my
husband clips one or two claws, thats it for the day, then the next day
another two, a slow process, but we get there in the end!
PawsForThought - 26 Apr 2005 17:01 GMT
> > I'm not as patient or as skilled as the others, so I put my Freddy
> into a zipped bag
> > to do this:

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3159&N=2002+2015

> > Adam
>
> Just a word of caution.  Cats have had panic attacks and died as a
> result of using body restraint bags.  Be *extremely* careful that your
> cat doesn't get too stressed out if you use it.  Personally, I think
> they should be banned for being inhumane.

Can you please point me to some references for your claim that cats
have died as a result of the Kat Kontrol Bag.  I have never ever heard
of such a thing.  IMO they would seem more humane than trying to
physically hold a cat down that doesn't want to be held down.
Rona Y. - 26 Apr 2005 22:37 GMT
> Can you please point me to some references for your claim that cats
> have died as a result of the Kat Kontrol Bag.  I have never ever heard
> of such a thing.  IMO they would seem more humane than trying to
> physically hold a cat down that doesn't want to be held down.

I don't know about death, but my cat does get very stressed in the bag.  In
fact, she got so stressed that she caused the zipper on the bag to split
(she was panicking and squirming)--and I had only had the bag for a few
weeks.  (I wrote to the manufacturer about it, and they refused to even
repair the bag--no kudos to the manufacturer from me!  That bag had only
been used a couple of times!)

I think some cats just get stressed in confined spaces.  My cat is a little
odd--she loves to hide in small spaces, but she hates being placed in a
carrier or in that cat control bag.  If only I could figure out what
happened to her in her pre-me life...

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Hopitus - 28 Apr 2005 07:47 GMT
I dunno this Bag of which you speak; I clip my cats' claws and on the more
strongly objecting cats to such
niceties, I wrap them up in a large body-size thick bath towel, leaving
their face and whatever paw I want to work on sticking out....this is no
small feat and takes practice. You got to keep a firm hold (football hold is
effective, tucked under your unused, "holding" arm) while clipping. Fingers
of your "holding" arm are gently pressing each claw to expose fully; I talk
to the cat the whole time. I offer treats post-clipping
Ralph Lauren will probably go to his grave never knowing how useful his
body-size luxury towels are for claw-clipping cats....LOL.

>> Can you please point me to some references for your claim that cats
>> have died as a result of the Kat Kontrol Bag.  I have never ever heard
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> in a carrier or in that cat control bag.  If only I could figure out what
> happened to her in her pre-me life...
Mary - 28 Apr 2005 08:03 GMT
> I dunno this Bag of which you speak; I clip my cats' claws and on the more
> strongly objecting cats to such
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Ralph Lauren will probably go to his grave never knowing how useful his
> body-size luxury towels are for claw-clipping cats....LOL.

This is exactly how we trim our Buddha's claws. Works great.
sriddles@aol.com - 28 Apr 2005 14:51 GMT
> I dunno this Bag of which you speak; I clip my cats' claws and on the more
> strongly objecting cats to such
> niceties, (...)>

The only time I saw The Bag was when I helped my daughter take Tommy to
the vet. Tommy is highly fractious and a strong, fully-clawed cat. It
was a thick nylon-looking contraption with strong velcro closings. You
stick the cat in it, and the only thing that sticks out is whatever
appendange the vet wanted to work on. This case it was his front paw.
IIRC also, his head was free, but he was really unable to reach any
hoomin parts to bite.
He wasn't any worse for the wear after the procedure, but daughter used
the bag as the ultimate meomie threat after that. "Tommy!! Are we going
to have to get out "The Bag?" LOL.
Tommy was also a young, healthy cat. I can really see how some cats
would become so stressed that it mightnot be safe for them.

Sherry
Diane L. Schirf - 25 Apr 2005 11:40 GMT
> I'm not as patient or as skilled as the others, so I put my Freddy into a
> zipped bag
> to do this:
>
> http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3159&N=2002+2015

I notice the head is still free, and on Hodge that's the lethal part!

Does this allow you to trim the back?

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soft - 25 Apr 2005 16:55 GMT
>> I'm not as patient or as skilled as the others, so I put my Freddy into a
>> zipped bag
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Does this allow you to trim the back?

I have found that by doing the nails when my cats are relaxed (all 4
cats) they have over time gotten so use to me doing it that I can now
do their nails any time ( all 4 feet) without problems.

They actually make more fuss about being brushed than they do about
the nail clipping. I do nails once a week and brush daily because they
are only good for a few minutes worth of burshing. I have tried
several different brushes and combs but they hate it.

soft
PawsForThought - 26 Apr 2005 17:04 GMT
> I have found that by doing the nails when my cats are relaxed (all 4
> cats) they have over time gotten so use to me doing it that I can now
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> are only good for a few minutes worth of burshing. I have tried
> several different brushes and combs but they hate it.

When my cats were younger, when they were sleepy, I would gently
massage their feet so they got used to having them handled.  Now, I
just sit the cat on my lap, much like you would hold a child, and then
just clip.  They're very good about it.  As to brushing, my boy loves
it.  He will turn his body so I can brush him all over.  My girl is a
bit less patient but still doesn't seem to mind it too much.
soft - 26 Apr 2005 23:38 GMT
>> I have found that by doing the nails when my cats are relaxed (all 4
>> cats) they have over time gotten so use to me doing it that I can now
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>When my cats were younger, when they were sleepy, I would gently
>massage their feet so they got used to having them handled.
same here, and I still do it.

Now, I
>just sit the cat on my lap, much like you would hold a child, and then
>just clip.  They're very good about it.  As to brushing, my boy loves
>it.  He will turn his body so I can brush him all over.  My girl is a
>bit less patient but still doesn't seem to mind it too much.

I think that if you start slow - are carefull not to quick them they
learn its a painless thing and after they all get a treat for sitting
so nice for me. I talk to the quietly, because they do like the
soothing voice. I did quick Lancelot once (barely) but he smacked the
clipper right out of my hand with a big hiss. He is the cat who never
hisses. He is a little over I year and he has hissed about 4 times.

I pet him and expressed much sorry, so sorry, and after I consoled him
I did the rest. He did keep an eye on me but I didn't make the mistake
again so he got over it.  Hitting the quicks really hurts them and
they will loose trust in you if you aren't careful.
 

what brush do you use? I have tried so many..
Lancelot is the best about the brushing - if I use a baby brush on him
he will purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...
but it doesn't help with the sheding hair.

soft
PawsForThought - 29 Apr 2005 17:49 GMT
> I think that if you start slow - are carefull not to quick them they
> learn its a painless thing and after they all get a treat for sitting
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> again so he got over it.  Hitting the quicks really hurts them and
> they will loose trust in you if you aren't careful.

In all the years I've had cats, I've never cut into the quick, until
about a month ago when I did it to my cat Mickey.  I think I probably
felt worse than him about it, lol.  You're right though, it can
definitely make a difference in how they take to being clipped.  For
about the next 3 times, he seemed to be pretty fussy and I think he was
remembering that time I did cut into the quick.

>> what brush do you use? I have tried so many..
> Lancelot is the best about the brushing - if I use a baby brush on him
> he will purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...
> but it doesn't help with the sheding hair.

I actually have 3 different brushes I use.  I start out with a shedding
blade type, but it's made from plastic and not metal so it doesn't cut
their fur like the metal ones can.  Then I use a rubber brush and then
lastly I use a slicker brush which gets up all the loose hair from the
shedding blade & rubber brush.  The rubber brush works great too in
getting the loose fur off the carpet when I'm done brushing them.
Hopitus - 29 Apr 2005 20:14 GMT
I haven't cut into a cat's "quick" (what I call the vein) in their claw for
many years now...I think it was Mr.Fuzz (RB) and he was pretty stoic about
it. If you got a death grip on the paw and cut carefully - erring maybe on
leaving the claw a tad too long - you can keep from clipping the "quick" in
there.
As for hissing: Rowdy hisses all the time and I only have to do his back
claws because of my leather furniture that
he jumps on (he was already declawed front when I met him) but he can hiss
till doomsday AFAIK but I'll still clip
him. BTW he has been a "biter" as long as I've had him but never tries to
bite me no matter how mad he is re the claw clipping. As I said, a fast and
efficient job takes a lot of practice but if you have leather furniture,
say, you don't let them claws get too long.........

>> I think that if you start slow - are carefull not to quick them they
>> learn its a painless thing and after they all get a treat for sitting
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> shedding blade & rubber brush.  The rubber brush works great too in
> getting the loose fur off the carpet when I'm done brushing them.
-L. - 29 Apr 2005 21:56 GMT
> I haven't cut into a cat's "quick" (what I call the vein) in their claw for
> many years now...I think it was Mr.Fuzz (RB) and he was pretty stoic about
> it. If you got a death grip on the paw and cut carefully - erring maybe on
> leaving the claw a tad too long - you can keep from clipping the "quick" in
> there.

I don't have any problem with the cats, but the dogs are another story
altogether!  I have rssorted to trimming them a little at a time, just
to be sure I don't whack 'em.  Doesn't help that their nails are
black...

-L.
PawsForThought - 30 Apr 2005 18:22 GMT
> I haven't cut into a cat's "quick" (what I call the vein) in their claw for
> many years now...I think it was Mr.Fuzz (RB) and he was pretty stoic about
> it. If you got a death grip on the paw and cut carefully - erring maybe on
> leaving the claw a tad too long - you can keep from clipping the "quick" in
> there.

I usually just cut the very tips of the claws, just the sharp point.  I
think when I cut Mickey, either he moved or I moved.  I'd say more than
likely I did <sigh>

> As for hissing: Rowdy hisses all the time and I only have to do his back
> claws because of my leather furniture that
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> efficient job takes a lot of practice but if you have leather furniture,
> say, you don't let them claws get too long.........

I guess I'm lucky because although I have a leather sofa, my cats never
bother it.
soft - 30 Apr 2005 00:36 GMT
On 29 Apr 2005 09:49:19 -0700, "PawsForThought"

>I actually have 3 different brushes I use.  I start out with a shedding
>blade type, but it's made from plastic and not metal so it doesn't cut
>their fur like the metal ones can.  Then I use a rubber brush and then
>lastly I use a slicker brush which gets up all the loose hair from the
>shedding blade & rubber brush.  The rubber brush works great too in
>getting the loose fur off the carpet when I'm done brushing them.

I do have a rubber brush - none of the cats like it. I also have a
fine tooth comb, they are better with that but still do not like it.

I didn't ever draw blood on Lancelots toe, but I could see that just a
touch more would have, I am usually very careful but sometimes those
dark nails can be deceptive.

soft
Adam Helberg - 25 Apr 2005 19:37 GMT
>> I'm not as patient or as skilled as the others, so I put my Freddy into a
>> zipped bag
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Does this allow you to trim the back?

No. The back legs are in the bag. I don't trim my cat's rear legs as they don't pose
a problem and he goes outside so he may need them to climb a tree.

I don't think the concerns about the cat having a panic attack or breaking bones are
well founded. He's not that bothered by the bag but when I'm too slow he will hiss.
The velcro neck band also restrains his head so I doubt if he can bite.

The bag works on the same principle as swaddling a baby and he does not try to get
out.

Adam
-L. - 25 Apr 2005 21:43 GMT
> No. The back legs are in the bag. I don't trim my cat's rear legs as they don't pose
> a problem and he goes outside so he may need them to climb a tree.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Adam

It's great that it works for you, but it was just a heads-up since
those bags *can* be deadly.  They are not for every cat.   It's not a
pretty sight - a cat having a panic attack in one.  AFAIK, most vets
don't use them any longer for that reason.

-L.
Adam Helberg - 26 Apr 2005 03:14 GMT
>> No. The back legs are in the bag. I don't trim my cat's rear legs as
> they don't pose
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> -L.

Vets also have a skilled assistant to hold the cat, that I don't. It's been much more
of struggle to cut my cat's nails by myself without the bag.

Adam
Adam Helberg - 26 Apr 2005 03:31 GMT
>> No. The back legs are in the bag. I don't trim my cat's rear legs as
> they don't pose
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> -L.

I've not had the problem of my cat panicking in the bag, but if a cat should start
fighting to get out and does not settle down , it's only common sense to unzip the
bag and let him out.

Adam
-L. - 26 Apr 2005 22:33 GMT
> I've not had the problem of my cat panicking in the bag, but if a cat should start
> fighting to get out and does not settle down , it's only common sense to unzip the
> bag and let him out.
>
> Adam

Hey, you don't have to defend your use of the bag - if it works for you
and your cat, great.  I already said that.  I just want other people to
know that it can be disasterous.  It can - it isn't a good solution for
all cats.

-L.
PawsForThought - 26 Apr 2005 17:07 GMT
> I don't think the concerns about the cat having a panic attack or breaking bones are
> well founded. He's not that bothered by the bag but when I'm too slow he will hiss.
> The velcro neck band also restrains his head so I doubt if he can bite.
>
> The bag works on the same principle as swaddling a baby and he does not try to get
> out.

My vet actually uses this bag when he draws blood on one of my cats.
The bag actually makes her feel more secure, plus it's easier for the
vet.  He can do the blood draw without a squirming cat or without
having to hold her down or scruff her, and it's much less stressful for
her.  We just place her in the bag, zip it up and he draws her blood,
very simply.  I've had other cats where they've done blood draws and it
can be very stressful on the cat.

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