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Authority canned food - opinions?

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KellyH - 22 Apr 2005 21:23 GMT
Not looking to start another food war, just looking for opinions.
Authority is the Petsmart store brand, right?  I was doing my cat supply
shopping today, and I thought I would look at the ingredients of some foods
just for the hell of it.  Authority actually looks pretty good.  I expected
it to be crap.  No by-products, very surprised.
For example, here are the ingredients from the Beef & Liver variety:
Beef Broth, Beef, Beef Liver, Chicken, Rice Flour, Egg Product, Guar Gum,
Dicalcium Phosphate, Brewer's Dried Yeast, Potassium Chloride, Flaxseed Oil,
then mineral and vitamin supplements.
The Guaranteed Analysis:
Crude Protein(min) - 10%
Crude Fat(min) -  6.5%
Crude Fiber(max) - 0.8%
Moisture(max) - 78%
Ash(max) - 1.7%
Magnesium(max) - 0.025%
Taurine(min) - 0.07%

So, can someone give me a compelling reason why I should not feed this food
to my cats?  I bought a couple cans to try out.

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Cheryl - 23 Apr 2005 00:13 GMT
> So, can someone give me a compelling reason why I should not
> feed this food to my cats?  I bought a couple cans to try out.

I think it's along the lines of Friskies, but the problem with a
store brand (at least according to what I've read here time and time
again) is that they don't have a fixed formula because they contract
out to the lowest bidder to manufacture it.

The reason I say Friskies is because back when Shadow was so sick and
would eat nothing but Friskies Turkey and giblets, I got some of
Authority Turkey and giblets and it looked exactly the same, smelled
the same, and Shadow ate it.

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KellyH - 23 Apr 2005 01:35 GMT
> I think it's along the lines of Friskies, but the problem with a
> store brand (at least according to what I've read here time and time
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Authority Turkey and giblets and it looked exactly the same, smelled
> the same, and Shadow ate it.

That could be.  I'll have to look at the Friskies label and compare
ingredients.  The Authority ingredients looked OK to me.  If I were dealing
with any food allergies, I'd definitely stick with a fixed formula.

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gaubster2@comcast.net - 23 Apr 2005 03:25 GMT
> Not looking to start another food war, just looking for opinions.
> Authority is the Petsmart store brand, right?  I was doing my cat supply
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Dicalcium Phosphate, Brewer's Dried Yeast, Potassium Chloride, Flaxseed Oil,
> then mineral and vitamin supplements.

Actually, beef "liver" is technically a by-product.  People never seem
to catch that since it doesn't specifically say, "beef by-product".
Just goes to show that not all by-products are "bad".

> The Guaranteed Analysis:
> Crude Protein(min) - 10%
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Magnesium(max) - 0.025%
> Taurine(min) - 0.07%

I'd be curious to know what the AAFCO feeding statement says and what
the calcium and phosphorus levels are on a dry matter basis.
KellyH - 23 Apr 2005 04:18 GMT
> Actually, beef "liver" is technically a by-product.  People never seem
> to catch that since it doesn't specifically say, "beef by-product".
> Just goes to show that not all by-products are "bad".

Liver is something actually eaten, it's not feathers or crap swept off the
floor.

> I'd be curious to know what the AAFCO feeding statement says and what
> the calcium and phosphorus levels are on a dry matter basis.

I don't know, all I have is the label on the can.

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gaubster2@comcast.net - 23 Apr 2005 16:18 GMT
> > Actually, beef "liver" is technically a by-product.  People never seem
> > to catch that since it doesn't specifically say, "beef by-product".
> > Just goes to show that not all by-products are "bad".
>
> Liver is something actually eaten, it's not feathers or crap swept off the
> floor.

BUT, liver IS a by-product.  By-product is not always junk.  That's the
misconception of a lot of people.  The comment was made that the food
didn't contain any by-products....but it does.
Diane L. Schirf - 23 Apr 2005 16:21 GMT
> BUT, liver IS a by-product.

What is a by-product, i.e., what does "by-product" mean? People who like
calf liver, for example, don't necessarily think of it is a by-product
as it might be their favourite thing. So getting the liver might be one
of the reasons that calves are slaughtered in the first place.

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gaubster2@comcast.net - 23 Apr 2005 16:45 GMT
> > BUT, liver IS a by-product.
>
> What is a by-product, i.e., what does "by-product" mean? People who like
> calf liver, for example, don't necessarily think of it is a by-product
> as it might be their favourite thing. So getting the liver might be one
> of the reasons that calves are slaughtered in the first place.

The definition for Meat By-Products is:

"Meat by-products are the non-rendered, clean parts, other than meat,
derived from slaughtered mammals.  It includes, but is not limited to
lungs, spleen, kidneys, brain, livers, blood, bone, partially defatted
low teperature fatty tissue and stomachs and intestines freed of their
contents.  It does not include hair, horns, teeth, and hooves.  It
shall be suitable for use in animal food.

I don't have the definition for chicken or poultry by-product handy.
But IIRC, it reads similiarly.
Diane L. Schirf - 23 Apr 2005 18:18 GMT
> The definition for Meat By-Products is:
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> low teperature fatty tissue and stomachs and intestines freed of their
> contents.

Basically, non-muscle tissues. Well, that seems reasonable. Those are
things carnivores would eat. (Many carnivores consider brains a treat .
. .)

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Rhonda - 23 Apr 2005 16:24 GMT
How can you tell if a by-product is junk or not? Do companies have to
list (anywhere) the by-products that they use?

Rhonda

> BUT, liver IS a by-product.  By-product is not always junk.  That's the
> misconception of a lot of people.  
gaubster2@comcast.net - 23 Apr 2005 16:38 GMT
> How can you tell if a by-product is junk or not? Do companies have to

> list (anywhere) the by-products that they use?
>
> Rhonda

You have to call the company and ask them for more information.  Some
other important questions to ask:

Do they use a fixed formula?
Do they make their own food or do they outsource it to a third party?
What are their sodium, calcium, phosphorus, and magnesium levels on a
dry matter basis?
How many veternarians work for their company?

Those are just a few questions off the top of my head.  They'll give
you some idea of whether a pet food company is concerned with nutrition
or just making a lot of food.
William Hamblen - 23 Apr 2005 17:56 GMT
>How can you tell if a by-product is junk or not? Do companies have to
>list (anywhere) the by-products that they use?

There's little human market for chicken guts so slaughterhouses sell
them to pet food companies.  In a state of nature a cat will eat the
soft parts of its prey because by instinct they know the "byproducts"
contain the most nutrition.  I've eaten chicken gizzards and livers
myself.

I know that canned dog food comes from the exact same factory as
canned chili.  I'm not naming the factory as that fact might gross out
some of their human customers.
Catherine - 23 Apr 2005 20:30 GMT
<<How can you tell if a by-product is junk or not? Do companies have to
list (anywhere) the by-products that they use?>>

Ok - let's use chicken as an example.  Here is the AAFCO definition of
chicken byproducts:

"Chicken byproducts consist of the non-rendered, clean parts of the carcass
of slaughtered chicken, such as heads, feet, viscera, free from fecal
content and foreign matter except in such amounts as might occur
unavoidably in good processing practices."

Some byproducts, such as organ meat, cats would eat in the wild.  Other
byproducts, such as feet, cats would not eat.  The problem is that unless
the ingredient label specifies "organ meat only," you have no idea which
part of the chicken is included in the term "byproducts."  The proportions
are constantly changing.  If you buy a bag of cat food that lists chicken
byproducts as an ingredient, they are not necessarily the same byproducts
that are in the next bag of the same food you buy.

If you choose to feed a food that contains byproducts, they should specify
which animal they are from, i.e. chicken, beef, lamb, NOT poultry
byproducts or meat byproducts.  Also, the byproducts should not be the
primary protein source - they should be further down on the list of
ingredients.

I choose not to feed my cats food containing byproducts, unless it is a
consistent ingredient like "liver."
Catherine - 23 Apr 2005 04:31 GMT
<<Actually, beef "liver" is technically a by-product.  People never seem
to catch that since it doesn't specifically say, "beef by-product".
Just goes to show that not all by-products are "bad".>>

It may be a by-product, but it is a consistent one - beef liver will always
be beef liver, whereas beef byproducts could be any part of the cow - you
don't know what parts of the cow are in the ingredient, and what ratio, etc.
Cheryl - 23 Apr 2005 04:53 GMT
> <<Actually, beef "liver" is technically a by-product.  People
> never seem to catch that since it doesn't specifically say,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> part of the cow - you don't know what parts of the cow are in
> the ingredient, and what ratio, etc.

Right. Plus, it's a beef by-product, and not an unknown "meat-by-
product" I have no problem with by-products in catfood. Offal isn't
offending to cats. I just don't want it swept up off the butchers
floor.

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gaubster2@comcast.net - 23 Apr 2005 16:26 GMT
> > <<Actually, beef "liver" is technically a by-product.  People
> > never seem to catch that since it doesn't specifically say,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> > part of the cow - you don't know what parts of the cow are in
> > the ingredient, and what ratio, etc.

...and you still don't know the quality of the "consistent" by-product.
That isn't revealed on the ingredient label.  Really, judging the
quality or nutritional value of a food just can't be done properly by
looking, solely at an ingredient label.

> Right. Plus, it's a beef by-product, and not an unknown "meat-by-
> product" I have no problem with by-products in catfood. Offal isn't
> offending to cats. I just don't want it swept up off the butchers
> floor.

The OP stated that Authority contained no by-products, but indeed it
does.  There seems to be this emotional knee-jerk reaction to seeing
the term "byproduct" on a pet food label and immediately thinking the
entire food is bad or that ingredients have been swept up off the floor
and dumped into the imaginary vat mixing up the cat food ingredients.
KellyH - 23 Apr 2005 20:09 GMT
> The OP stated that Authority contained no by-products, but indeed it
> does.  There seems to be this emotional knee-jerk reaction to seeing
> the term "byproduct" on a pet food label and immediately thinking the
> entire food is bad or that ingredients have been swept up off the floor
> and dumped into the imaginary vat mixing up the cat food ingredients.

OK, I'm being human or whatever by not thinking of liver as a by-product
because it's something that you find in the supermarket all wrapped up and
ready to eat.  I don't eat it, but plenty of people do.  At least the label
is stating *which* by-product and not just "by-products" which could be
anything.

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PawsForThought - 24 Apr 2005 05:03 GMT
> > The OP stated that Authority contained no by-products, but indeed it
> > does.  There seems to be this emotional knee-jerk reaction to seeing
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> is stating *which* by-product and not just "by-products" which could be
> anything.

I think that's it exactly, Kelly.  When you buy a food that lists beef
liver, you know what it is.  If it just states meat by-product, it
could be anything.  I feed my cats a homemade diet and they get some
liver, heart and gizzards in their meals.  Cats need offal in their
diet, but I think a manufacturer should list exactly what offal or
by-product is in their food.  Some of the foods I've seen do list
liver, while others will list "chicken liver flavor" which obviously
isn't real chicken liver.
Philip - 24 Apr 2005 18:17 GMT
>>> The OP stated that Authority contained no by-products, but indeed it
>>> does.  There seems to be this emotional knee-jerk reaction to seeing
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> liver, while others will list "chicken liver flavor" which obviously
> isn't real chicken liver.

What if you want your cat to eat Kosher?   ;-)
Catherine - 23 Apr 2005 04:28 GMT
My cats don't care for beef foods - once in awhile they'll eat a can of
beef and chicken Wellness or beef and egg skillet Nutro, but that's it.
Beef in pet foods can contain parts of the cow not suitable for human
consumption.

If you are fine with feeding beef to your cats, the ingredients in
Authority's formula look fine.
gaubster2@comcast.net - 23 Apr 2005 16:19 GMT
> My cats don't care for beef foods - once in awhile they'll eat a can of
> beef and chicken Wellness or beef and egg skillet Nutro, but that's it.
> Beef in pet foods can contain parts of the cow not suitable for human
> consumption.

Any ingredient that is found in pet foods is "not suitable for human
consumption".  It's a designation that is given to every ingredient
that passes through a pet food manufacturing facility---whether the
ingredient is high quality or not.
-L. - 24 Apr 2005 06:41 GMT
> Not looking to start another food war, just looking for opinions.
> Authority is the Petsmart store brand, right?  I was doing my cat supply
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> kelly at farringtons dot net
> "Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG

Was this dry or canned.  10% protein is a little low, compared to what
I feed my carts, but the ingredient list looks pretty good.  Let me
know what the cats think. :)

-L.
KellyH - 24 Apr 2005 07:02 GMT
> Was this dry or canned.  10% protein is a little low, compared to what
> I feed my carts, but the ingredient list looks pretty good.  Let me
> know what the cats think. :)

This is canned.  I fed it yesterday and today, and so far, the kitties seem
to like it.
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