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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / May 2005Pregnant feral cat update
Today she abandoned her hidey-hole and perched on the stub wall that encloses the shower cabinet. She stayed there all day. I went in the bathroom several times and took some pictures, and she didn't budge. I got a better look at her when she was sitting in front of the nanny cam, and she looks pregnant alright. She is eating well. I posted a couple of new pix at: www.geocities.com/wallofgrays/catcam.htm Charlie > I got a better look at her when she was sitting in front of the nanny > cam, and she looks pregnant alright. She is eating well. > > I posted a couple of new pix at: > > www.geocities.com/wallofgrays/catcam.htm Those saucer eyes!  Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/ Poor girl looks totally freaked, but then again, she is out in the open which is pretty good. She will probably come to adore you in time. Thanks for the update. Karen > Today she abandoned her hidey-hole and perched on the stub wall that > encloses the shower cabinet. She stayed there all day. I went in the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Charlie > Today she abandoned her hidey-hole and perched on the stub wall that > encloses the shower cabinet. She stayed there all day. I went in the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > www.geocities.com/wallofgrays/catcam.htm Oh, man! That wide-eyed feral look. She's doing well to be out in the open like that, though. Priscilla Signature"You can't welcome someone into a body of Christ and then say only certain rooms are open." -- dancertm in alt.religion.christian.episcopal > Today she abandoned her hidey-hole and perched on the stub wall that > encloses the shower cabinet. She stayed there all day. I went in the > bathroom several times and took some pictures, and she didn't budge. > I got a better look at her when she was sitting in front of the nanny > cam, and she looks pregnant alright. She is eating well. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Charlie Poor little owl-eyed girl! It's good that she's coming out of hiding. :) Does she growl at you, at all? -L. > Today she abandoned her hidey-hole and perched on the stub wall that > encloses the shower cabinet. She stayed there all day. I went in the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Charlie Poor baby! She looks scared. We are purring that she soon learns to trust you and that she can have her babies peacefully. MLB > > Today she abandoned her hidey-hole and perched on the stub wall that > > encloses the shower cabinet. She stayed there all day. I went in the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Poor baby! She looks scared. We are purring that she soon learns to trust > you and that she can have her babies peacefully. MLB She really looks like she just knows that Charlie is going to kill and eat her. > Today she abandoned her hidey-hole and perched on the stub wall that > encloses the shower cabinet. She stayed there all day. I went in the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > www.geocities.com/wallofgrays/catcam.htm Charlie, that terror-stricken look on her face just tears at my heart. She surely looks like a true feral. If she comes to love you--and I bet she will--she might prove to be the sweetest cat you have ever had. >> Today she abandoned her hidey-hole and perched on the stub wall that >> encloses the shower cabinet. She stayed there all day. I went in the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >If she comes to love you--and I bet she will--she >might prove to be the sweetest cat you have ever had. Her anxiety eats at me too, because it is a form of acute suffering. I don't like doing it this way, and I'm not trying to make her into a pet. As you say, she is a true feral. I want to help her with some things she can't do for herself and then release her. If she decides to warm up to me, that will be a nice bonus. Charlie > >> Today she abandoned her hidey-hole and perched on the stub wall that > >> encloses the shower cabinet. She stayed there all day. I went in the [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Charlie But Charlie, she is meant to be a pet. :) It is just by a nasty accident of fate and irresponsible humans that this pretty girl was on her own. No matter whether she warms up or not, whether you keep her or let her go after you have her spayed, she will be better off. One less-- actually many less, including her kittens--suffering cat in the world. Way to go. I want to see those kittens!!! >> >> Today she abandoned her hidey-hole and perched on the stub wall that >> >> encloses the shower cabinet. She stayed there all day. I went in the [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >cat in the world. Way to go. I want to see those >kittens!!! I'm dying to see them too. She is unafraid of the nannycam and in fact seems to be quite interested in it. I may be able to set it up to watch the litter. But when will it be born??? Cats have a gestation period of less than 2 months, right? I think she grew up wild and likes her freedom. This is rural western Washington, an easy climate. If she sticks around, I will feed her and provide for her needs, but not interfere further unless necessary. If she decides to approach me, fine, but I will also be happy to relate to her from a distance. I'm a recluse myself. Charlie > >But Charlie, she is meant to be a pet. :) It is just by a nasty > >accident of fate and irresponsible humans that this pretty [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I'm dying to see them too. She is unafraid of the nannycam and in > fact seems to be quite interested in it. See, I think she is slowly coming around. >I may be able to set it up > to watch the litter. But when will it be born??? Cats have a > gestation period of less than 2 months, right? I read that it is about 65 days years ago, but I am not sure. > I think she grew up wild and likes her freedom. This is rural western > Washington, an easy climate. If she sticks around, I will feed her > and provide for her needs, but not interfere further unless necessary. > If she decides to approach me, fine, but I will also be happy to > relate to her from a distance. I'm a recluse myself. I understand. Do you think she is safe from wild animals out there? I am unfamiliar with that part of Washington state. >I understand. Do you think she is safe from wild animals out >there? I am unfamiliar with that part of Washington state. Coyotes, dogs, traffic or people with chickens or outdoor pet cats can bring immediate death at any time. Skirmishes take a toll as well. I think it is common for a feral cat to eventually pick up an injury that turns into a festering wound, which either kills the animal or makes it an easy target for predators. I have some anecdotal evidence for this. So, the answer is no, the cat won't be at all safe. Her life is likely to be short, but with more good days than bad, given the mild climate and a year-round abundance of prey. Charlie > Coyotes, dogs, traffic or people with chickens or outdoor pet cats can > bring immediate death at any time. Skirmishes take a toll as well. I [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > likely to be short, but with more good days than bad, given the mild > climate and a year-round abundance of prey. If she is completely feral and cannot be tamed, ping Phil for some feral cat dwelling plans. You can make her a nice house so she can at least stay in at night. She looks like she's ready to pop any day, from the pics you posted. I may have missed it, but does she have a little nest she can have the babies in? Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net "Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG > >I understand. Do you think she is safe from wild animals out > >there? I am unfamiliar with that part of Washington state. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > likely to be short, but with more good days than bad, given the mild > climate and a year-round abundance of prey. You're going to keep her, I just know it. Please do not tell me if you aren't. >> >I understand. Do you think she is safe from wild animals out >> >there? I am unfamiliar with that part of Washington state. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >You're going to keep her, I just know it. Please do not tell >me if you aren't. I will look out for her to the best of my ability. I won't hold her captive against her will once she has raised the kittens and been spayed. I think she will maintain the relationship. After all, she alerted me to her presence under the house by making a racket in the ductwork for several consecutive nights, which stopped as soon as I started feeding her. She allowed herself to be trapped less than 24 hours after seeing how the trap works. She is frightened, but she is accepting my help. Once she has a litter of tiny kittens, my bathroom will probably seem like the ideal place to be, and she might begin to sense how I fit into the big picture. Charlie >>> >I understand. Do you think she is safe from wild animals out >>> >there? I am unfamiliar with that part of Washington state. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Charlie You never know... she may just say what the hell and decide to stay. Sounds like she knew who to come to anyway. In the photos, she doesn't look *too* wild or like a stray. She has a lovely coat. Good luck anyway, it sounds like she is letting you grow on her. > I will look out for her to the best of my ability. I won't hold her > captive against her will once she has raised the kittens and been > spayed. She will most likely split, but come to feed. That's the most common behavior for released TNR'ed cats, IME. > I think she will maintain the relationship. After all, she alerted me > to her presence under the house by making a racket in the ductwork for [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Charlie You never can tell. If she was previously owned, she may warm up to you fairly quickly. If she was born feral, she may never really ever be "pet"-like. I suspect if you release her she will revert to 100% feralness within a short period of time, but may still come to feed. Either way, it's good that you'll be getting the kittens young. They should tame fairly rapidly. -L. > Coyotes, dogs, traffic or people with chickens or outdoor pet cats can > bring immediate death at any time. Skirmishes take a toll as well. I > think it is common for a feral cat to eventually pick up an injury > that turns into a festering wound, which either kills the animal or > makes it an easy target for predators. I have some anecdotal evidence > for this. If she is spayed her life *should* be longer than if she was intact. It's a lot harder if they are fighting with mates, competing for food while pregnant, etc. > So, the answer is no, the cat won't be at all safe. Her life is > likely to be short, but with more good days than bad, given the mild > climate and a year-round abundance of prey. > > Charlie Are you coastal? I love that area of the country. I live in Portland, currently. -L. > > Coyotes, dogs, traffic or people with chickens or outdoor pet cats > can [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Are you coastal? I love that area of the country. I live in Portland, > currently. And she's got the Payless Faux Birkenstocks and the humorless attitude to prove it. >> Are you coastal? I love that area of the country. I live in Portland, >> currently. > >And she's got the Payless Faux Birkenstocks and the humorless >attitude to prove it. That's a pretty good line actually. But I think she's got a point. Guns are waaaay overdone in this republic. These people who think guns somehow add to their political freedom are nuts. Which is not to say guns don't have their uses. I have another piece of property in an even more rural area, and I had a female cat who was raised with people but decided she liked her freedom and took off. She did very well for about six or eight years, coming around to visit from time to time. She was a beautiful, black cat. But then she showed up after a period in the bush with a horrible abscess that had eroded her lower jaw, making it impossible for her to eat. She was starving and appeared to be suffering from systemic illness as well as the injury. Why she didn't come back sooner I don't know. I put down a bowl of milk, and while she was drinking it, I pumped a slug into her skull with my .38 revolver. It was a very useful tool on that occasion. Charlie >>I pumped a slug into her skull with my >>.38 revolver. Charlie, I am anti gun myself but that comment was something I didn't need to see. ---MIKE--- >>>I pumped a slug into her skull with my >>>.38 revolver. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > ---MIKE--- Sorry. My point is that it's always a good idea to have a cheap handgun lying around somewhere, because you just might need it. Charlie Charlie wrote: >>>I pumped a slug into her skull with my >>>.38 revolver. > > Charlie, I am anti gun myself but that comment was something I didn't > need to see. Same here. I was with you until that post. I must have missed the part where you couldn't take her to the vet. Signature-Kelly >Charlie wrote: >>>>I pumped a slug into her skull with my [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Same here. I was with you until that post. I must have missed the part >where you couldn't take her to the vet. I was on an island with minimal services. I'd have had to charter a boat or a plane. Which I could have done. But for what? Should I have sought a specialist to perform reconstructive surgery on her lower jaw? Or would it have been more humane to take her in for a dose of professional-grade blue juice? I can tell you the bullet was a lot cheaper. Charlie > I was on an island with minimal services. I'd have had to charter a > boat or a plane. Which I could have done. But for what? Should I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I can tell you the bullet was a lot cheaper. Didn't realize you were that remote. Signature-Kelly > I was on an island with minimal services. I'd have had to charter a > boat or a plane. Which I could have done. But for what? Should I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Charlie I'm just glad you were a good aim. The problem I have with such acts is people who aren't. Nothing wrong with putting the cat down quickly; everything wrong with causing more suffering. -L. >> I was on an island with minimal services. I'd have had to charter a >> boat or a plane. Which I could have done. But for what? Should I [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >-L. She was in bad shape and needed to be put down. If I hadn't had the gun, I would have had to strangle her, which would have been messier. Taking her to the vet would have turned it into a full-blown ordeal. I was fond of this cat, but I did not allow myself to become too emotionally attached, because I always knew something like this might happen to a cat living in the bush. It's the same with the feral in my bathroom. I think I can do better by these critters if I keep a certain detachment and an ability to see things the way they are rather than the way I would like them to be. Charlie > She was in bad shape and needed to be put down. If I hadn't had the > gun, I would have had to strangle her, which would have been messier. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Charlie And you can't save them all, which is hard for some people to accept. Personally, I'd like to see all animals wild and thriving in their natural habitats, unfettered from human involvement. But we've made them dependant on us, so we *have to* care for them - even those we don't share our homes with. -L. >> She was in bad shape and needed to be put down. If I hadn't had the >> gun, I would have had to strangle her, which would have been messier. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > -L. You don't much about deer and wolf populations! >>> She was in bad shape and needed to be put down. If I hadn't had the >>> gun, I would have had to strangle her, which would have been messier. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > You don't much about deer and wolf populations! She doesn't know much about *anything*, but that doesn't stop her from spouting off about it like she does! > She doesn't know much about *anything*, but that doesn't stop her from > spouting off about it like she does! Yawwwwwn, Ms. Dale Carnegie. > > She doesn't know much about *anything*, but that doesn't stop her > from > > spouting off about it like she does! > > Yawwwwwn, Ms. Dale Carnegie. Is that one of those people you old folks like? Or don't? > Is that one of those people you old folks like? > Or don't? It's a non-entity, imo. Ask your friend, CN. She's the one blathering about all the Dale Carnegie courses she took and awards she won from them on her resume posted on the internet for all the world to see. But then I knew she was a little retro from her obsession with Mensa. She should be on "That 70's show." > It's a non-entity, imo. Ask your friend, CN. She's the one blathering > about all the Dale Carnegie courses she took and awards she won from > them on her resume posted on the internet for all the world to see. > But then I knew she was a little retro from her obsession with Mensa. > She should be on "That 70's show." Hehe. Candace, that's not information that's easily found without at least a little digging (I didn't mention it here and it wasn't on any direct links I've ever posted here). *You're* the one becoming obsessed, dear. *I* sure didn't bother to go rooting around the 'net like a pig looking for information about the idiots determined to flame me here!. My affiliation with Mensa was brought up by another poster here and I've done nothing more than defend the organization against dolts who think it's a *bad* thing (oh what a horrible organization to fund scholarships, help gifted children, further education, fund research into the nature of intelligence, aid international travelers, etc. <wringing hands> oh the horror, the horror of it all!) Now, after digging further, you've found out that *GASP* I've won awards in a Dale Carnegie class - OHMYGAWD, I guess I'll have to slink off and hang my head in shame!!!! Poor baby, all that work rooting around to find something sleazy to pin on me and that's all you could come up with! ROTFLMAO! If there's anything else you'd like to know about my life just ask, sweetie! You're pathetic! > Hehe. Candace, that's not information that's easily found without at least > a little digging (I didn't mention it here and it wasn't on any direct links > I've ever posted here). *You're* the one becoming obsessed, dear. *I* sure > didn't bother to go rooting around the 'net like a pig looking for > information about the idiots determined to flame me here!. No, CN, you most certainly *did* mention it here in the beloved thread "OT: Free Time." You mentioned specifically whose website you are the webmistress of and, although you didn't provide the link, a google search yields the website in about .4 seconds. So, yeah, that was some massive digging I did...I should be a private detective for rooting that out. Once on that particular website (which I shall not mention because I wouldn't want anyone as brilliant as me to be able to find it), there are links to all your info. You were bragging about your webmastery so I took that as an invitation that you wanted your faithful readers to check it out. Obedient student that I am, I did. > My affiliation with Mensa was brought up by another poster here and I've > done nothing more than defend the organization against dolts who think it's > a *bad* thing (oh what a horrible organization to fund scholarships, help > gifted children, further education, fund research into the nature of > intelligence, aid international travelers, etc. <wringing hands> oh the > horror, the horror of it all!) No one thinks it's a bad thing; people were just amused that you are so impressed with yourself over it. > Now, after digging further, you've found out that *GASP* I've won awards in > a Dale Carnegie class - OHMYGAWD, I guess I'll have to slink off and hang my > head in shame!!!! You pretty much miss every point, don't you? I just find it ironic that you have won supposed awards for "How to Win Friends and Influence People," when you so obviously lack those skills on usenet. Either you are a lot different IRL or Dale Carnegie isn't all it's cracked up to be (or used to be cracked up to be). > Poor baby, all that work rooting around to find something sleazy to pin on > me and that's all you could come up with! ROTFLMAO! If there's anything > else you'd like to know about my life just ask, sweetie! Sorry, but all that "work" took a total of about 6 minutes to find and read. Thank you for thinking I'm such a hard worker, though. May I use you as a reference? > You're pathetic! Uh-huh, it took me far less time to find that than it does you to decipher all those headers you're working on. I've looked up lots of people's websites when they mention them, don't flatter yourself. Candace > > Hehe. Candace, that's not information that's easily found without at > least [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > webmistress of and, although you didn't provide the link, a google > search yields the website in about .4 seconds. I didn't mention Dale Carnegie - you do keep deliberately keep misinterpreting things now don't you? > So, yeah, that was some > massive digging I did...I should be a private detective for rooting > that out. Once on that particular website (which I shall not mention > because I wouldn't want anyone as brilliant as me to be able to find > it), there are links to all your info. And again, why would anyone bother to click on all those links about someone and read their resume? I didn't say it was *difficult*, I said, "more than a little" - that was more than a little. I never posted the links here, I didn't mention Dale Carnegie here. > You were bragging about your webmastery so I took that as an invitation > that you wanted your faithful readers to check it out. Obedient > student that I am, I did. Obedient student - you'll obey what I say??!! Wait, let me think about this and I'll get back to you! > > My affiliation with Mensa was brought up by another poster here and > I've [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > No one thinks it's a bad thing; people were just amused that you are so > impressed with yourself over it. Oh contrare! People were saying very bad things about Mensa and I was defending the organization - you like to google, go back and check it out. > > Now, after digging further, you've found out that *GASP* I've won > awards in [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > are a lot different IRL or Dale Carnegie isn't all it's cracked up to > be (or used to be cracked up to be). Well, *you* have pretty much missed the point that I'll only use those skills on someone I *WANT* to be friends with! LOL > > Poor baby, all that work rooting around to find something sleazy to > pin on [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > read. Thank you for thinking I'm such a hard worker, though. May I > use you as a reference? And that's 6 minutes more than I spent finding out anything about your sorry a.s! > > You're pathetic! > > Uh-huh, it took me far less time to find that than it does you to > decipher all those headers you're working on. I've looked up lots of > people's websites when they mention them, don't flatter yourself. I didn't decipher any headers at all, I did a quick copy and paste so that others would crow about how I compared unlike headers when I didn't even try to compare them. Less than 2 seconds and it got me exactly what I wanted. > Candace > I didn't mention Dale Carnegie - you do keep deliberately keep > misinterpreting things now don't you? I didn't say you mentioned DC, I said you basically said what website you are the webmistress of and 2 clicks on that website yielded the info about DC. Not a superhuman effort required to do so. > And again, why would anyone bother to click on all those links about someone > and read their resume? I didn't say it was *difficult*, I said, "more than > a little" - that was more than a little. I never posted the links here, I > didn't mention Dale Carnegie here. I said you mentioned the website. I clicked on 2 links, soooo hard. I click on links all the time, that's the beauty of the internet. Info at a mouse click. I look up any number of people's websites who I read on a newsgroup on a daily basis. It's natural to be curious about a person whose posts you read ad neauseum. I did it at work anyway, so I wasn't doing it on my own time, I was taking a little break while "other things were running," you know how that goes, I believe. > Well, *you* have pretty much missed the point that I'll only use those > skills on someone I *WANT* to be friends with! LOL Ohhh, I see. Well, that's good that this isn't your real personality we're seeing. > > > Poor baby, all that work rooting around to find something sleazy to > > pin on > > > me and that's all you could come up with! ROTFLMAO! If there's > > anything > > > else you'd like to know about my life just ask, sweetie! No, thanks, I know more than enough. I wasn't trying to come up with something "sleazy." As I said, it's normal curiosity to read about someone you experience on a newsgroup on a more than daily basis when they blatantly give you a website to do so. It's not like I hired a private eye to find out stuff about you. I went to the website and clicked TWICE! Don't worry, though, I'm not crazy and will not hop on a plane and come stalk you and your grandchildren. > I didn't decipher any headers at all, I did a quick copy and paste so that > others would crow about how I compared unlike headers when I didn't even try > to compare them. Less than 2 seconds and it got me exactly what I wanted. Oh, I thought you said something about you were going to do some further investigating to find the source of whatever it was you were looking for, I can't even remember now. I've got a feeling you spend quite a bit of time looking for info on the internet but that's what it's there for if someone puts it out there, isn't it? Candace >>I didn't mention Dale Carnegie - you do keep deliberately keep >>misinterpreting things now don't you? [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Ohhh, I see. Well, that's good that this isn't your real personality > we're seeing. i think it is very real. i think she's very needy. could be because her kids have disowned her tho. good they have a place to use when they need to of course. >>>>Poor baby, all that work rooting around to find something sleazy > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > clicked TWICE! Don't worry, though, I'm not crazy and will not hop on > a plane and come stalk you and your grandchildren. It wood bee easy tho. Gots full names, addresses, websites. >>I didn't decipher any headers at all, I did a quick copy and paste so > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Candace i was waiting for that to. NEXT! > i think it is very real. i think she's very needy. could be because > her kids have disowned her tho. good they have a place to use when they > need to of course. Aw, what happened to the cute little hacker-speak, you know the "im 2 stoopid 2 sp3LL"? Spoken like someone who's had that experience! Been used a lot have you? > i was waiting for that to. NEXT! To what??? LOL! Did you really want me to expose you to rpca? I was being kind to a rather pathetic soul, but it seems I get no appreciation!! No, as much as you deserve it I won't take away your only connection with a saner world. >>i think it is very real. i think she's very needy. could be because >>her kids have disowned her tho. good they have a place to use when they [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > much as you deserve it I won't take away your only connection with a saner > world. WTF do I care about being "exposed"? > >>i think it is very real. i think she's very needy. could be because > >>her kids have disowned her tho. good they have a place to use when they [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > > WTF do I care about being "exposed"? I think it would be fun to find out. >>>>i think it is very real. i think she's very needy. could be because >>>>her kids have disowned her tho. good they have a place to use when they [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > I think it would be fun to find out. Go on then. The more the mary'ier. > > i think it is very real. i think she's very needy. could be because > > her kids have disowned her tho. good they have a place to use when they > > need to of course. > > Aw, what happened to the cute little hacker-speak, you know the "im 2 > stoopid 2 sp3LL"? lol! > I didn't say you mentioned DC, I said you basically said what website > you are the webmistress of and 2 clicks on that website yielded the > info about DC. Not a superhuman effort required to do so. How does someone "basically" say something? I either said it or I didn't - I didn't. 2 clicks? Hmmmm, first you had to google to find the web site, then you had to click on the link to my personal site, then you had to click to the link "About Us", then you had to read my resume. I guess I should feel flattered, but somehow I don't! > I said you mentioned the website. I clicked on 2 links, soooo hard. I > click on links all the time, that's the beauty of the internet. Info > at a mouse click. I look up any number of people's websites who I > read on a newsgroup on a daily basis. It's natural to be curious about > a person whose posts you read ad neauseum. And who is it who is forcing you to read all these posts until you are nauseated? If my posts are making you nauseated, why don't you just killfile me (and be sure to announce it to the group by writing "Plonk" - LOL). > I did it at work anyway, so I wasn't doing it on my own time, I was > taking a little break while "other things were running," you know how > that goes, I believe. You did this??? After starting a whole thread about how awful some people are for doing this???!!! Can you spell hippocrite? > No, thanks, I know more than enough. I wasn't trying to come up with > something "sleazy." As I said, it's normal curiosity to read about [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > clicked TWICE! Don't worry, though, I'm not crazy and will not hop on > a plane and come stalk you and your grandchildren. Again, this from the woman who felt so strongly about people wasting time on the internet she had to start a flame war about it!!! Well, sweetie, the "6 minutes" you spent satiating your "normal curiosity" was 6 minutes more than I was willing to waste on you. And as far as "stalking" - you must learn not to take things quite so literally dear, it really shows a lack of imagination and sophistication. > Oh, I thought you said something about you were going to do some > further investigating to find the source of whatever it was you were > looking for, I can't even remember now. I've got a feeling you spend > quite a bit of time looking for info on the internet but that's what > it's there for if someone puts it out there, isn't it? Not according to you... I believe you wrote, "I, for one, would love to spend more time reading and learning, in art museums and galleries, going to antique stores, going to the ocean or big lake (Lake Michigan, specifically), planting flowers, riding my bike, going to the zoo, taking pictures, keeping in touch with friends and family and just hanging out with them, creating art, listening to music, and doing volunteer work that I might find meaningful and important." Again, I guess I should feel flattered that you consider looking up information about me as meaningful and important, but I'm sure those 6 minutes could have been used doing any of the other things you think are so much more lofty than spending time on a newsgroup! ROTFLMAO!! > Can you spell hippocrite? Hypocrite. Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/ > > Can you spell hippocrite? > > Hypocrite. > > -- > http://www.slywy.com/ Dang, you beat me to it, but just by a few seconds. By the way, I looked at your website, too, I hope you don't feel violated like CN does. Candace > > Can you spell hippocrite? > > Hypocrite. Dang it Diane, I was waiting for her to correctly spell it! LOL Oh well. Hugs, CatNipped > > > Can you spell hippocrite? > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > CatNipped Oh, pul-leeze, you intentionally misspelled it so I would fall into your clever trap? I don't think anyone thinks you are nearly as bright as you think you are. Can you spell hypopotamus? > > > > Can you spell hippocrite? > > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > your clever trap? I don't think anyone thinks you are nearly as bright > as you think you are. Can you spell hypopotamus? Even if I couldn't spell it, unlike you I can afford a real newsreader with a (pay attention here) spellchecker - I don't have to use Google. > Even if I couldn't spell it, unlike you I can afford a real newsreader with > a (pay attention here) spellchecker - I don't have to use Google. Oh, boohoo, you really hurt me to the quick here. Yeah, I have a cash flow problem, that's why I'm AOL, the most overpriced ISP there is. If only I could afford a $5.95 a month ISP with a free newsreader, I would know I had made it. I don't need a spellchecker, I can spell. I just make the occasional typo or is it tippo? Candace > I just make the occasional > typo or is it tippo? Tipple. Tipple through the tulips. o/` (Honest, all I had was Irish afternoon tea with milk.) Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/ > > Even if I couldn't spell it, unlike you I can afford a real > newsreader with [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > only I could afford a $5.95 a month ISP with a free newsreader, I would > know I had made it. Oh, that is sad then. Clearly cash flow is *NOT* you problem. It's touch having more money than brains! And BTW, AOL is not the most overpriced ISP there is by a long shot, it just seems overpriced for the lousy service provided. LOL > > > Even if I couldn't spell it, unlike you I can afford a real > > newsreader with [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Oh, that is sad then. Clearly cash flow is *NOT* you problem. It's touch > having more money than brains! ROTFLMAO! Ok, clearly a spellchecker is not the answer! That should have been "tough"! See Candace - that's called laughing at yourself, try it, it's fun! > > > Even if I couldn't spell it, unlike you I can afford a real > > newsreader with [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > And BTW, AOL is not the most overpriced ISP there is by a long shot, it just > seems overpriced for the lousy service provided. LOL Broadband is averaging about $40 a month. AOL dialup, plus a phone line, comes to about $50 a month. So broadband users pay $10 less a month than AOL idiots--for service that is ten times faster. :) > Broadband is averaging about $40 a month. AOL dialup, plus a phone line, > comes to about $50 a month. So broadband users pay $10 less a month > than AOL idiots--for service that is ten times faster. :) AOL has broadband. Where were you, anyway, you didn't post for a couple of hours? I thought something happened to you. It's so nice to keep in touch over the internet. Fondly, Candace >> Broadband is averaging about $40 a month. AOL dialup, plus a phone > line, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Fondly, > Candace Do they provide the ISDN/DSL/Ccable-modem - or do you have to subscribe to a *different* broadband provider (insight, comcast, verizon) and then subscribe to the AOL broadband service? Sounds like even more money than just regular broadband to me... SignatureThe ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)© email me at nalee1964 (at) insightbb (dot) com http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep > >> Broadband is averaging about $40 a month. AOL dialup, plus a phone > > line, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > subscribe to the AOL broadband service? Sounds like even more money than > just regular broadband to me... All that just so that the idiot AOLers can have their Mickey Mouse AOL interface. :) >> >> Broadband is averaging about $40 a month. AOL dialup, plus a phone >> > line, [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >All that just so that the idiot AOLers can have their Mickey Mouse >AOL interface. :) You also get protection against all the dangers of the internet... spam, worms, viruses, chat-room predators, etc. Haven't you seen that TV commercial where the colored guy dumps condiments all over the white guy's food tray in the cafeteria? The colored guy represents all the dangers, and the white guy represents the average suburban type who lives in a state of perpetual fear. It's quite convincing. I would certainly move up to AOL if I could afford it. Charlie > >> >> Broadband is averaging about $40 a month. AOL dialup, plus a phone > >> > line, [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > type who lives in a state of perpetual fear. It's quite convincing. > I would certainly move up to AOL if I could afford it. What they call "protection" anyone with half a brain can provide for themselves, free of charge. As you know, Mrs. tongue-in-cheek. :) The price of freedom is responsibility. > >All that just so that the idiot AOLers can have their Mickey Mouse > >AOL interface. :) > > > You also get protection against all the dangers of the internet... > spam, worms, viruses, chat-room predators, etc. The problem with that approach is you never learn to protect yourself. I moved to Mindspring when they first went national (1996, I think) and since then, with no one tying my shoes for me, I've learned about such things as virus protection and firewalls on my own. THIS makes me safer than if a third party were holding my hand. Knowledge is power. Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/ > Do they provide the ISDN/DSL/Ccable-modem - or do you have to subscribe to a > *different* broadband provider (insight, comcast, verizon) and then > subscribe to the AOL broadband service? Sounds like even more money than > just regular broadband to me... I have DSL through Earthlink, but it's provided by Covad. Fascinating how these things work. It's $13 more than I was paying for dialup. Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/ >> Do they provide the ISDN/DSL/Ccable-modem - or do you have to subscribe to a >> *different* broadband provider (insight, comcast, verizon) and then [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I have DSL through Earthlink, but it's provided by Covad. Fascinating >how these things work. It's $13 more than I was paying for dialup. It's like teraserver reselling nntp server. "Grepping has never been so easy!" is their motto. You get what you pay for I guess. Charlie > And BTW, AOL is not the most overpriced ISP there is by a long shot, it just > seems overpriced for the lousy service provided. LOL Oh, which one is? I might want to switch to that. > > And BTW, AOL is not the most overpriced ISP there is by a long shot, > it just > > seems overpriced for the lousy service provided. LOL > > Oh, which one is? I might want to switch to that. Mine! It's $120 a month. Send me a check and I'll sign you up right away - I swear it's better than AOL! ;> > Mine! It's $120 a month. Send me a check and I'll sign you up right away - > I swear it's better than AOL! ;> Email me your address. > > Mine! It's $120 a month. Send me a check and I'll sign you up right > away - > > I swear it's better than AOL! ;> > > Email me your address. 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW Washington, DC 20500 > > Even if I couldn't spell it, unlike you I can afford a real > newsreader with > > a (pay attention here) spellchecker - I don't have to use Google. > > Oh, boohoo, you really hurt me to the quick here. Yeah, I have a cash > flow problem, that's why I'm AOL, the most overpriced ISP there is. aaahhhhh hahahahahahahahahahaha! !! *sigh* whew! > Can you spell hypopotamus? Rhinoceros. Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/ > > Can you spell hypopotamus? > > Rhinoceros. LOL, I like your sense of humor, Diane! Hugs, CatNipped > > I didn't say you mentioned DC, I said you basically said what website > > you are the webmistress of and 2 clicks on that website yielded the > > info about DC. Not a superhuman effort required to do so. > > How does someone "basically" say something? I either said it or I didn't - > I didn't. What do these 2 posts say? I wasn't going to bother posting your old posts but since you're posting my old posts and denying that you said what your website is, here ya go: ***** CatNipped Apr 17, 6:42 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav From: "CatNipped" <lcr...@houston.rr.com> - Find messages by this author Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 20:42:47 -0500 Local: Sun,Apr 17 2005 6:42 pm Subject: Re: OT:Free Time Reply |Reply to Author| Forward| Print| Individual Message| Show original| Report Abuse Really? I'm not being confrontational here, but I am really curious... how many Mensans do you know? For those who are interested, here is a list of "famous" Mensans: http://www.cbrmensa.org/famous .html. In Gulf Coast Mensa we have: college professors and a college dean, architects, engineers, attorneys, *several* business owners, chemists, a chief of police, doctors, museum curators, *several* presidents or corporations and CEOs, petrophysicists, geophysicists, an astrophysicist, geologists, scientists *tons* of people in computer related jobs (including me a web architect), and on and on. In fact, I don't know *any* GCM who has not succeeded in his/her chosen career. I'm sure there are Mensans who have not "accomplished" a lot, but neither is it a handicap for those who *want* to accomplish their goals. For the record, I've stated here that I don't consider being a Mensan as "better", just "different" - as anybody who is in the 98th percentile of any particular group of humans would be. Hugs, CatNipped ***** CatNipped Apr 19, 6:27 am hide options Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav From: "CatNipped" <lcr...@houston.rr.com> - Find messages by this author Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:27:35 -0500 Local: Tues,Apr 19 2005 6:27 am Subject: Re: OT:Free Time Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse I didn't volunteer the information until someone sarcastically asked me for my membership number and at that point in the indoor/outdoor debate I was just pissed enough to give it (and online references to prove I wasn't lying). I don't go to meetings, I stay a member in order to do the GCM web site, which is a good reference on my resume since it's my line of work and I've won numerous awards for the site. It's really funny that everybody is jumping on me for being a member - really funny. If that's the only thing they can find "wrong" with me to try to flame me with, well I guess I can live with that! ;> Hugs, Catnipped ***** I believe even a moron would know you are the "webmistress" of the GCM site after reading that. Are those not your posts? If not, someone is impersonating you and you should investigate. > 2 clicks? Hmmmm, first you had to google to find the web site, then you had > to click on the link to my personal site, then you had to click to the link > "About Us", then you had to read my resume. I guess I should feel > flattered, but somehow I don't! Okay, 3 clicks, you win. > And who is it who is forcing you to read all these posts until you are > nauseated? If my posts are making you nauseated, why don't you just > killfile me (and be sure to announce it to the group by writing "Plonk" - > LOL). Well, at the risk of starting up one of your friend's favorite discussions about how stupid AOL members are, I can't killfile you because I'm reading thru Google and that function is not available. I never kf'ed when I could on AOL, though, it's kind of a personal thing...like feeling I should read a book from start to finish. If I read a thread, I like to read the whole thing to get the "full flavor," as it were. > > I did it at work anyway, so I wasn't doing it on my own time, I was > > taking a little break while "other things were running," you know how > > that goes, I believe. > > You did this??? After starting a whole thread about how awful some people > are for doing this???!!! Can you spell hippocrite? Yes, I can, it's "hypocrite." Can you, Miss Mensa? No, the whole thread was about how some people post INCESSANTLY. If you care to check out my posting history, I generally post only in the evenings (MST) or on weekends. I don't spend all day, everyday, posting. My point was if I had all day, everyday, to post, I would find something else to do part of that time. > Again, this from the woman who felt so strongly about people wasting time on > the internet she had to start a flame war about it!!! Well, sweetie, the "6 > minutes" you spent satiating your "normal curiosity" was 6 minutes more than > I was willing to waste on you. And as far as "stalking" - you must learn > not to take things quite so literally dear, it really shows a lack of > imagination and sophistication. I never gave an indication of where you could find out something about me so it would take a lot more than 6 minutes to find something. If something's easy, I'll bite. I thought you were the one worried someone was gonna get your grandkids in retaliation. That shows a lack of brains. > Not according to you... I believe you wrote, "I, for one, would love to > spend more time reading and learning, in art museums and galleries, going to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > minutes could have been used doing any of the other things you think are so > much more lofty than spending time on a newsgroup! ROTFLMAO!! It would have been hard to get to Lake Michigan for 6 minutes while I was at work or even to an art gallery. If I could beam myself there, I would but that technology is not yet available. I never said I don't spend anytime on the internet; obviously, I do, as everyone reading this does. Candace > It would have been hard to get to Lake Michigan for 6 minutes while I > was at work or even to an art gallery. All the Lake Michigan you could want. Sort of. ;) <http://www.slywy.com/views/views.html> Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/ > > It would have been hard to get to Lake Michigan for 6 minutes while I > > was at work or even to an art gallery. > > All the Lake Michigan you could want. Sort of. ;) > > <http://www.slywy.com/views/views.html> Beautiful pics! Wow, what a view you have, gorgeous. Chicago is an awesome town!!!! When we go to Lake Michigan, when I go back to IN, we generally go to South Haven, St. Joe, New Buffalo, or Warren Dunes. I'd love to see every Lake M. beach. It's a beautiful, beautiful lake. Candace I present to you a potential KoTM in (ta da!!) Catnipped! A Mensan with OCD and ADHD. What a combination! For reference, DC = Dale Carnegy. >>>I didn't say you mentioned DC, I said you basically said what > [quoted text clipped - 211 lines] > > Candace > What do these 2 posts say? I wasn't going to bother posting your old > posts but since you're posting my old posts and denying that you said > what your website is, here ya go: And just where in there is the link? You've already said you had to google to find the site, why are you trying to make up stuff now? Everyone's reading comprehension is not as inadequate as yours seems to be, you know. I said I didn't post the link, *not* "I didn't make reference to Gulf Coast Mensa". > I believe even a moron would know you are the "webmistress" of the GCM Well, I guess you should know then! LOL > Okay, 3 clicks, you win. Finally you admit I win, thank you dear! > Well, at the risk of starting up one of your friend's favorite > discussions about how stupid AOL members are, I can't killfile you > because I'm reading thru Google and that function is not available. I But please tell me, when you see posts by the author "CatNipped" who is it who is standing with a gun at your head forcing you to click on that link and read it? I've browsed the newsgroup through Google also and post don't automatically pop open (or do you have a magic newsreader like Lyn does?! ROTFLMAO!) > never kf'ed when I could on AOL, though, it's kind of a personal > thing...like feeling I should read a book from start to finish. If I > read a thread, I like to read the whole thing to get the "full flavor," > as it were. Then all I can say is suck it up and get *all* the flavor! You really crack me up! > Yes, I can, it's "hypocrite." Can you, Miss Mensa? No, the whole I just knew you would know that - good for you! > thread was about how some people post INCESSANTLY. If you care to > check out my posting history, I generally post only in the evenings > (MST) or on weekends. I don't spend all day, everyday, posting. My > point was if I had all day, everyday, to post, I would find something > else to do part of that time. So you have only a *small* amount of free time, and yet you choose to spend it on the newsgroup - how sad! > I never gave an indication of where you could find out something about > me so it would take a lot more than 6 minutes to find something. If The point being, if you posted it in six inch high letters on a billboard outside my door I wouldn't take even 6 seconds to stop and read it much less 6 minutes or more. Because. I. Don't. Care. > something's easy, I'll bite. I thought you were the one worried > someone was gonna get your grandkids in retaliation. That shows a lack > of brains. Any you show a lack of imagination by taking everything you read so literally. > It would have been hard to get to Lake Michigan for 6 minutes while I > was at work or even to an art gallery. If I could beam myself there, I > would but that technology is not yet available. I never said I don't > spend anytime on the internet; obviously, I do, as everyone reading > this does. And yet you choose to disparage others for doing what you do. Like so many others here your motto is "Do as I say not as I do." Tell me how to spell hippocrite again??? LOL > And just where in there is the link? You've already said you had to google > to find the site, why are you trying to make up stuff now? Everyone's > reading comprehension is not as inadequate as yours seems to be, you know. > I said I didn't post the link, *not* "I didn't make reference to Gulf Coast > Mensa". I didn't say you posted the link, I said you posted where to get the info quite easily. Sheesh. > But please tell me, when you see posts by the author "CatNipped" who is it > who is standing with a gun at your head forcing you to click on that link > and read it? I've browsed the newsgroup through Google also and post don't > automatically pop open (or do you have a magic newsreader like Lyn does?! > ROTFLMAO!) So I'm a masochist, sue me. > So you have only a *small* amount of free time, and yet you choose to spend > it on the newsgroup - how sad! There's just so much one can do with an hour here and there. Besides, I like rpchb. I've been posting here since 1999, long before you crawled out from wherever. > The point being, if you posted it in six inch high letters on a billboard > outside my door I wouldn't take even 6 seconds to stop and read it much less > 6 minutes or more. Because. I. Don't. Care. So, plonk me or quit responding to my posts. Betcha can't. > Any you show a lack of imagination by taking everything you read so > literally. Oh, FFS, you were scared shitless that Megan was gonna come and hurt you and your grandbabykins. You were threatening to hurt anyone who harmed your grandchildren. That was when I first became aware of what a twit you are. Now, that you know it was ridiculous you can backpedal and pretend you weren't pissing in your pants but no one's buying it. > And yet you choose to disparage others for doing what you do. Like so many > others here your motto is "Do as I say not as I do." Tell me how to spell > hippocrite again??? LOL Incessant, drivel postings, that's what's annoying but it's your forte so bloom where you're planted. I wouldn't want to stifle your "creativity." Candace > There's just so much one can do with an hour here and there. Besides, > I like rpchb. I've been posting here since 1999, long before you > crawled out from wherever. ROTFLMAO. You do take things at face value don't you. I posted in rec.pets.cats *before there was* rec.pets.cats.health+behav! > So, plonk me or quit responding to my posts. Betcha can't. You first! ;> > Oh, FFS, you were scared shitless that Megan was gonna come and hurt > you and your grandbabykins. You were threatening to hurt anyone who > harmed your grandchildren. That was when I first became aware of what > a twit you are. Now, that you know it was ridiculous you can backpedal > and pretend you weren't pissing in your pants but no one's buying it. Oh FFS! Learn how to comprehend what you read - I did *not* say I was scared of Megan harming my grandchildren. I *am* scared that there are nutcases in the world who would take usenet so seriously that they would call someone's cell phone to leave a filthy message (!!!?) (and in that post mentioned that there are other nutcases that have stalked people and harmed them through the internet - are you denying that there are?) And if you *had* children or grandchildren you would know that it is a fairly common sentiment, at least among *normal* people, to feel protective of your progeny. > Incessant, drivel postings, that's what's annoying but it's your forte > so bloom where you're planted. I wouldn't want to stifle your > "creativity." Thank you, glad to be of service! > ROTFLMAO. You do take things at face value don't you. I posted in > rec.pets.cats *before there was* rec.pets.cats.health+behav! Okay, wasn't someone talking about you being a "newbie" to newgroups recently? Or was that just to the beloved and Stepford-perfect rpca? > > So, plonk me or quit responding to my posts. Betcha can't. > > You first! ;> History shows that I *am* the one who finally quits posting and then the thread can finally die in peace. If I did keep posting, you 2 would continue to respond. > Oh FFS! Learn how to comprehend what you read - I did *not* say I was > scared of Megan harming my grandchildren. I *am* scared that there are [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > sentiment, at least among *normal* people, to feel protective of your > progeny. Well, of course nutcases stalk people on the internet. But then most people who have these fears don't have their full names and all kinds of personal info about themselves all over the internet, easy to find either. Why don't you remove that stuff? Candace >> There's just so much one can do with an hour here and there. Besides, >> I like rpchb. I've been posting here since 1999, long before you >> crawled out from wherever. > >ROTFLMAO. You do take things at face value don't you. I posted in >rec.pets.cats *before there was* rec.pets.cats.health+behav! You are both going to end up with a rash on the inside of your thighs, you know. That is what happens when girls get into a pissing contest. Have you put on your Mensa thinking cap and figured out who Peacemaker is? Charlie > >> There's just so much one can do with an hour here and there. Besides, > >> I like rpchb. I've been posting here since 1999, long before you [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > You are both going to end up with a rash on the inside of your thighs, > you know. That is what happens when girls get into a pissing contest. LOL! This is true! ;> > Have you put on your Mensa thinking cap and figured out who Peacemaker > is? Yep! Hugs, CatNipped > Charlie > And who is it who is forcing you to read all these posts until you are > nauseated? If my posts are making you nauseated, why don't you just > killfile me (and be sure to announce it to the group by writing "Plonk" - > LOL). One would think that after trying this same bullshit with me, and seeing how well it worked, these a.sholes would have learned. *shaking my head* Ah well, for some the learning curve is a bit steeper than for others. > > And who is it who is forcing you to read all these posts until you are > > nauseated? If my posts are making you nauseated, why don't you just [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > learned. *shaking my head* Ah well, for some the learning > curve is a bit steeper than for others. I don't even know what you're referring to. I don't have a history of trying to "censor" you even though you like to think so. Nor have I *ever* written that I am killfiling someone and then written *Plonk*. I love how you think there is a bitter little group of us old biddies who are "out to get" you and CN. In your sick little mind, you probably think we are all madly emailing and calling each other on our cell phones plotting how to get rid of the 2 of you. While I think that would be a nice outcome, I'm not working toward that end and, as far as I know, there is no little group effort doing that. If there is, I'm not in the "in" crowd. Why would I want to killfile the 2 of you anyway? You're way too much fun, thinking you're waging some superior war of wits with your itsy bitsy pea-brains. > > > And who is it who is forcing you to read all these posts until you > are [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > trying to "censor" you even though you like to think so. Nor have I > *ever* written that I am killfiling someone and then written *Plonk*. Total non sequitur, Candy. Re-read my reply, while suppressing the voices in your head. :) > You don't <know> much about deer and wolf populations! Natural selection will take them down to sustainable levels (yes, I know it's not pretty, but nothing dies easy). The problem with deer is easy access to crops. My old boss was a deer hunter. We argued about this all the time. I actually don't have much problem with people who hunt to eat. It's the only true way to be a carnivore, IMO. I just don't like the *concept* of hunting (among other things associated with it). And I have an aversion to firearms. -L. > > You don't <know> much about deer and wolf populations! > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > -L. Oh, yeah, all those deer hunters who claim they & their families love venison. Apparently they luuvv it so much, the processing plant had to start asking for cash up front to process a deer this year. Reason being, in the past, nearly half of the people who dropped off dead deer for processing never picked up the meat. BS. They just want to kill something. I love it when they accidentally shoot each other. I don't get it. I honestly don't. Even bird hunting. The only saving grace to bird hunting is the dogs are having a great time, they're probably penned up the entire rest of the year. But freezing your a.s off in a deer stand waiting on something to shoot at isn't my idea of a high time. Sherry Sherry sridd...@aol.com wrote: > Oh, yeah, all those deer hunters who claim they & their families love > venison. Apparently they luuvv it so much, the processing plant had to > start asking for cash up front to process a deer this year. Reason > being, in the past, nearly half of the people who dropped off dead deer > for processing never picked up the meat. Oh Jeez. My boss actually ate his - dressed them himself and everything. >BS. They just want to kill > something. I love it when they accidentally shoot each other. LOL...as do I. Natural selection. > I don't get it. I honestly don't. Even bird hunting. The only saving > grace to bird hunting is the dogs are having a great time, they're > probably penned up the entire rest of the year. But freezing your a.s > off in a deer stand waiting on something to shoot at isn't my idea of a > high time. Well, mine either, but evidently it gtes someone off. I feel sorry for the dogs, actually. Most of them aren't treated as pets. -L. > > I don't get it. I honestly don't. Even bird hunting. The only saving > > grace to bird hunting is the dogs are having a great time, they're [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Well, mine either, but evidently it gtes someone off. I feel sorry for > the dogs, actually. Most of them aren't treated as pets. And whose working dogs do you know that gave you this impression? (I hate vast generalizations...) Speaking only from my experience, the working dogs I know have a better life than many companion dogs who are stuck inside all day, alone, while their owners are off working. They may even be "crated" in the interest of saving the owners' couch and carpet. They are then releg |
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