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Top Ten Reasons You Don't Want A Bengal

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Orchid - 21 Apr 2005 19:21 GMT
1. Bengals are active cats.  Really active.  Like eleven on a 1-10
scale active.  There is no shelf they cannot get onto, no mantel
that's safe from kitty romping.  Knicknacks that aren't stuck down
with museum wax aren't going to survive.  16 week old Bengal kittens
can jump from the floor to the top of the fridge.

2.  Bengals are high-maintanance pets.  They need attention, and they
need company.  If you work outside the house, do yourself a favour and
get two Bengals or a Bengal and another high-energy cat.  Otherwise
you *must* expect to spend 3-4 hours playing with and interacting with
your cat.  That drops to 1-2 hours if there are two of them.  They
need interactive play -- if they don't get it they will do anything
and everything they can to get your attention.  Remember those
stuck-down knicknacks?  They're history if you don't give your Bengal
enough attention.

3. Bengals are smart.  Spooky smart.  They work together and teach
each other things.  My boys can open both the fridge and the freezer,
can open baby locks (Temujin pulls the door open, Kefka swats at the
latch), can open cabinets, open drawers, and have almost mastered the
round doorknob.  They must have sufficient mental stimulation or they
get bored.  Bored Bengals make up Bengal games.  Humans generally do
not like Bengal games, as Bengal games often involve swatting things
(like stuck down knicknacks) off high places.

4.  Bengals are not decorative.  Okay, they're decorative when they
are tired, but most of the time they are spotted and marbled blurs of
activity.  They will not lounge around prettily for admiration -- they
want to be doing what you are doing, helping with whatever you're
doing.

5.  Bengals are *big* cats.  Males are 15-20 pounds of muscle fully
grown, and females are 10-15.  Both sexes are very long bodied -- my
boys are ~22 inches from shoulders to tail base.  When they stand on
their hind legs, they can touch my waist easily.  A well-bred Bengal
is an incredible cat -- friendly, affectionate, confident.  A
poorly-bred Bengal is a nightmare because of their size and strength.

6.  Bengals are heavy scratchers.  You can forget about those wimpy
little 2' carpet-covered scratching posts at Petsmart -- posts for
Bengals need to be tall and heavy.  Cat trees are best  -- and
expensive.  If you don't provide enough places to scratch, your
furniture is history, and declawed Bengals are usually biters.

7.  Bengals are greedy.  I am a professional trainer, and my cats are
very well trained with ~20 behaviours including dog-style obedience,
stupid tricks, and agility.  I cannot train them to stay off counters
and cannot train them to leave food alone.  All the usual methods
(aluminum foil, upside-down carpet runners, citrus, cans full of
pennies, etc) simply do not work.  Bengals will be good until you
remove the offending object (carpet runner, etc) and will then hop
right up again.  They are too smart to think that the counter is doing
anything to them.

8.  Bengals like water.  Which, granted, is pretty cool -- having a
cat join you in the shower or hop into your hot bath to swim around is
neat.  But it also means that squirt guns are useless.  And guests are
often not amused.  :)

9.  Did I mention that they're active?  Because they really really
are.  I often compare them to Border Collies when trying to get across
how active they are.  They need the mental stimulation of a job of
some sort, which is why my boys are clicker-trained.

10.  They're expensive.  No, you can't cut corners by buying out of
the newspaper, because then you won't get a well-bred, well-socialised
cat..  Well-bred, well-socialised Bengals generally start around $400
for a pet-quality and can go all the way up to over $1000 for a show
alter.

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kaeli - 21 Apr 2005 19:47 GMT
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> 1. Bengals are active cats.  >
> 2.  Bengals are high-maintanance pets.  >
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> 9.  Did I mention that they're active?  >
> 10.  They're expensive.  

Rowan was a Bengal in a former life.  :D

Thanks for the post.

/ Now I REALLY want one. Okay, two.
// After I get a house

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Orchid - 21 Apr 2005 20:40 GMT
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>Rowan was a Bengal in a former life.  :D

    *grin*  Yeah, our little street moggy boy is the smallest,
greyest Bengal in the whole world.  :)

>Thanks for the post.

    Anytime.  I love the breed, and part of that is warning people
that they're not just regular cats in spotted suits.

>/ Now I REALLY want one. Okay, two.
>// After I get a house

    Our boys did fine in our apartment, though they *love* having
stairs to tear up and down in the house.  

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Philip - 21 Apr 2005 20:59 GMT
>> <snipped>
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> Orchid

New question:  At cat show last weekend, I also saw a pair of show Ocicats.
I researched their history a bit beforehand.  As a Bengal owner, what's your
take on Ocicats?
Orchid - 22 Apr 2005 22:24 GMT
>New question:  At cat show last weekend, I also saw a pair of show Ocicats.
>I researched their history a bit beforehand.  As a Bengal owner, what's your
>take on Ocicats?

    *grin*  As a totally biased Bengal owner, they're Bengal Lite.
Don't look as wild, don't like water, not as high-energy, not as
in-your-face affectionate.  I'm also not a big fan of the tendancy of
Ocicat breeders to imply (or say outright) that Bengals are vicious
and unhandleable due to their wild blood.

    As a cat fancier in general, Ocicats are perfectly nice cats.
They are very striking, and more appropriate for more people than
Bengals are.

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Philip - 23 Apr 2005 04:16 GMT
>> New question:  At cat show last weekend, I also saw a pair of show
>> Ocicats. I researched their history a bit beforehand.  As a Bengal
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>
> Orchid

Orchid:  Thank you for that candid observation.  I've seen excellent
examples of both breeds in the past week.  "Bengal Lite" told me a lot and I
appreciate your candor.  Still a tough decision.
kaeli - 21 Apr 2005 21:26 GMT
>   I love the breed, and part of that is warning people
> that they're not just regular cats in spotted suits.

My Mother would HATE them. She can't stand cats on counters or tables or the
like. And hers don't. She has big, lazy cats. The maine-coon-wanna-be type
cats (large DLH or the like with laid back personalities).
I, OTOH, have cats that go pretty much where ever they damn well want. I
think it's just part of being a cat. My mother and I have vastly different
opinions about what a cat is. (I call hers a couch ornament, she calls mine a
nuisance, all in good fun, of course) LOL

My favorite cat is Rowan (and she knows it). She's the biggest brat and gets
into everything. Which I find amusing as hell, even if it is a tad
irritating. And whenever I do start to get irritated and yell at her to stop,
she just looks at me, meows, and runs up to me with that cutest little
face...she's got MY number. <grins>  She plays me like a guitar, and I
usually let her. We really only have one rule in my house: don't break
nuthin'.  ;)

(I can't leave my food in the floor either, and it's not b/c the DOG will eat
it -- Peeps and Mac&Cheese are especially in danger *g*)

It's just the coolest thing that she's 5 years old and is more active than
many kittens I've had, despite her health problems when she was younger (and
current occasional flareups of the snuffles).
Even now, if I want the towels in the bathroom to remain on the hooks, I have
to close the door. Like you mentioned about Bengals, she knows whether the
soda can with pennies is there. She won't pull them down if it is, but if it
isn't, down they come. Can't make her think the towel did it. *ROFL*

She just has oodles and oodles of personality, you know?

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Charlie Wilkes - 22 Apr 2005 02:57 GMT
>>Thanks for the post.
>
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>>/ Now I REALLY want one. Okay, two.
>>// After I get a house

Warnings aren't enough, IMO.  Too many people can afford to indulge
their idiotic whims.  I would favor an accreditation process for these
animals, comparable to getting an explosives permit.

Charlie
Philip - 21 Apr 2005 20:59 GMT
> <snipped>
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> / Now I REALLY want one. Okay, two.
> // After I get a house

I have the house with only Venetian blinds, no overstuffed furniture, and
1500 sq/ft. With all this claimed intelligence, maybe toilet training is
possible?  Playing fetch?  Singing short songs?  LOL
Orchid - 21 Apr 2005 21:16 GMT
>I have the house with only Venetian blinds, no overstuffed furniture, and
>1500 sq/ft. With all this claimed intelligence, maybe toilet training is
>possible?  Playing fetch?  Singing short songs?  LOL

    Toilet training is a bad idea.  In fact, toilet lids should be
left down or bathroom doors closed.  Remember, they love water.
Bengals + open toilet = wet, happy Bengals.  
    Besides, litterboxes are an important health indicator.

    Kefka has a play fetch, and Temujin has a formal retrieve.
Yes, this means I can ask my cat to get the remote for me.  It rules.

    Both of my boys have a 'speak' command.  :)

    They also have basic dog-style obedience (sit, down, stay,
come, loose-lead walking, etc), stupid tricks (sit up, speak, the
formal retrieve, jump to touch nose to finger, etc), and cat-agility
behaviours (jump through a hoop, over a catwalk, through a tunnel,
etc).

    They also have self-taught tricks.  Open the fridge, openthe
freezer, open baby locks, open lever-style doorknobs, turn the clock
radio on.  I know a Bengal who learned to flush the toilet (he liked
the sound of it) and his owner now has to keep all bathrooms shut.

    I did say that they're the Border Collie of the cat world.
And it's very true.
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Elizabeth Blake - 22 Apr 2005 02:45 GMT
> Toilet training is a bad idea.  In fact, toilet lids should be
> left down or bathroom doors closed.  Remember, they love water.
> Bengals + open toilet = wet, happy Bengals.
> Besides, litterboxes are an important health indicator.

I think my Otto must have also been a Bengal in a former life.  He's all
black with a Siamese shaped head/body.  He's also quite vocal like a
Siamese.  He also happens to love water which means I have to keep the
toilet lid down at all times.  he has joined me in the shower on many
occasions.

> They also have basic dog-style obedience (sit, down, stay,
> come, loose-lead walking, etc), stupid tricks (sit up, speak, the
> formal retrieve, jump to touch nose to finger, etc), and cat-agility
> behaviours (jump through a hoop, over a catwalk, through a tunnel,
> etc).

The only "trick" Otto knows is 'sit'.

> They also have self-taught tricks.  Open the fridge, openthe
> freezer, open baby locks, open lever-style doorknobs, turn the clock
> radio on.  I know a Bengal who learned to flush the toilet (he liked
> the sound of it) and his owner now has to keep all bathrooms shut.

Otto is good at getting drawers open.  He can open some that have no real
handle, just a lip; regular handles and even ones with small wooden knobs
(the knobs also have a lip to grab onto).  Every once in awhile I need to
lock him in my bedroom and he sits on the dresser and rattles the doorknob.
I think one day he will get it opn.

Otto is 5 years old, and I found him on the street when he was about 6
months old.  I already had a cat, Tiger, who is 15 years old today (4/21).
She was almost 10 when I found Otto and had/has no interest in playing with
him.  Otto would love a Bengal brother or sister, I'm sure, but he's not
getting one.

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Philip - 22 Apr 2005 05:26 GMT
>> I have the house with only Venetian blinds, no overstuffed
>> furniture, and 1500 sq/ft. With all this claimed intelligence, maybe
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> Bengals + open toilet = wet, happy Bengals.
> Besides, litterboxes are an important health indicator.

Oh geeze.  Now you're telling me what the wife has been telling me for years
.... put the lid down when you're done!!!  Some incentive.  ;-)

> Kefka has a play fetch, and Temujin has a formal retrieve.
> Yes, this means I can ask my cat to get the remote for me.  It rules.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> radio on.  I know a Bengal who learned to flush the toilet (he liked
> the sound of it) and his owner now has to keep all bathrooms shut.

Opening the refridgerator SCARES me.  Our fridge's door will swing back
closed on its own.  What if the cat opened the door, jumped in, with the
door closing him in!!!  It's 40 degrees in there and dark.  NOT a pleasant
thought.
kaeli - 22 Apr 2005 14:00 GMT
> Opening the refridgerator SCARES me.  Our fridge's door will swing back
> closed on its own.  What if the cat opened the door, jumped in, with the
> door closing him in!!!  It's 40 degrees in there and dark.  NOT a pleasant
> thought.

You'd need one of those locking latches for when you aren't home, maybe?

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Philip - 22 Apr 2005 17:23 GMT
>> Opening the refridgerator SCARES me.  Our fridge's door will swing
>> back closed on its own.  What if the cat opened the door, jumped in,
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> You'd need one of those locking latches for when you aren't home,
> maybe?

When not home or asleep or any other time one of us is not in the kitchen
... it sounds like.  But really, how prevalent do these cats really pry open
the 'fridge door and hop in?
Ashley - 22 Apr 2005 07:42 GMT
> They also have self-taught tricks.  Open the fridge, openthe
> freezer, open baby locks, open lever-style doorknobs, turn the clock
> radio on.  I know a Bengal who learned to flush the toilet (he liked
> the sound of it) and his owner now has to keep all bathrooms shut.

ROTFL! Now that is just gorgeous :-)
kaeli - 22 Apr 2005 13:59 GMT
>     They also have basic dog-style obedience (sit, down, stay,
> come, loose-lead walking, etc), stupid tricks (sit up, speak, the
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> radio on.  I know a Bengal who learned to flush the toilet (he liked
> the sound of it) and his owner now has to keep all bathrooms shut.

I think we need to see you and the boys on Pet Star!  :D

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Orchid - 22 Apr 2005 20:54 GMT
>I think we need to see you and the boys on Pet Star!  :D

    *grin*  Nah.  Maybe someday if they got people who knew a damn
thing about training to judge instead of B-list celebs who couldn't
teach a sit with a 3 pound steak.  DH won't let me watch the show
anymore after he caught me yelling at the TV when the 'cute little
girl with her cute little dog that could be dragged around on its
back' got a 30 and beat out 'adult handler with her impeccably trained
dog doing precision heeling, directed retrieves, and scentwork'.

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kaeli - 25 Apr 2005 14:21 GMT
>     *grin*  Nah.  Maybe someday if they got people who knew a damn
> thing about training to judge instead of B-list celebs who couldn't
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> back' got a 30 and beat out 'adult handler with her impeccably trained
> dog doing precision heeling, directed retrieves, and scentwork'.

*laughs heartily*

Yeah, I've seen the "cute" ones win over the really well trained ones, too.
Which always astonishes me.
I'm looking at the TV with incredulity, thinking to myself, "do you people
know how hard it is to train a dog to DO that?!?!" LOL

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Meghan Noecker - 27 Apr 2005 09:10 GMT
>>     *grin*  Nah.  Maybe someday if they got people who knew a damn
>> thing about training to judge instead of B-list celebs who couldn't
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>I'm looking at the TV with incredulity, thinking to myself, "do you people
>know how hard it is to train a dog to DO that?!?!" LOL

Yes, that show frustrates me as well. There are some great acts, but
the judging is absolutely horrible. You can give the cute kid 8s or 9s
and they will still be happy. But save the 10s for a good act.At least
let the top 3 acts actually get far enough for the audience to judge.

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Ashley - 21 Apr 2005 20:00 GMT
> 1. Bengals are active cats.  Really active.  Like eleven on a 1-10
> scale active.  There is no shelf they cannot get onto, no mantel
> that's safe from kitty romping.  Knicknacks that aren't stuck down
> with museum wax aren't going to survive.  16 week old Bengal kittens
> can jump from the floor to the top of the fridge.

<snip>

Great post, Orchid. Really informative, and funny and entertaining at the
same time :-)
Orchid - 21 Apr 2005 20:41 GMT
>Great post, Orchid. Really informative, and funny and entertaining at the
>same time :-)

    I aim to please.  :)  And educate.  I don't think I will ever
own any other breed of cat -- I love Bengals too much.

    Well, maybe a Savannah one day.  They're very similar.

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kaeli - 21 Apr 2005 21:29 GMT
> >Great post, Orchid. Really informative, and funny and entertaining at the
> >same time :-)
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>
>     Well, maybe a Savannah one day.  They're very similar.

I saw a Savannah at the cat show in Arlington Heights a few weeks ago -- and
it was 4 paw declawed.  :(

How sick is THAT??

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Mary - 21 Apr 2005 21:50 GMT
> > >Great post, Orchid. Really informative, and funny and entertaining at the
> > >same time :-)
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>
> How sick is THAT??

I have noticed at PetSmart different times that there were Bengal mixes
that had what they called "four-way declaws." *shudder*
KellyH - 22 Apr 2005 01:24 GMT
> I have noticed at PetSmart different times that there were Bengal mixes
> that had what they called "four-way declaws." *shudder*

UGH!!!  What is wrong with people?
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Orchid - 21 Apr 2005 22:22 GMT
>I saw a Savannah at the cat show in Arlington Heights a few weeks ago -- and
>it was 4 paw declawed.  :(
>
>How sick is THAT??

    Completely, absolutely, utterly revolting.  :)

    Poor mutilated kitty.

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Philip - 22 Apr 2005 05:26 GMT
>>> Great post, Orchid. Really informative, and funny and entertaining
>>> at the same time :-)
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>
> How sick is THAT??

NOT quite as reprehensible as the breeder I visited who had several of her
Bengals de-voiced.
kaeli - 22 Apr 2005 14:16 GMT
> > I saw a Savannah at the cat show in Arlington Heights a few weeks ago
> > -- and it was 4 paw declawed.  :(
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> NOT quite as reprehensible as the breeder I visited who had several of her
> Bengals de-voiced.

What?!?!
WTF??
*shakes head*

I don't know, though, I think declawing is worse than de-voicing, physically
speaking.
Declawing removes bone that they are supposed to walk on. Cats don't walk
right for days, even weeks, after, and if the vet messes up by the slightest
bit, they can be crippled for life.
De-voicing, from what I can find, is a snip of the vocal chords and doesn't
even involve cutting the outside flesh (old procedure did; I hope vets are
using the modern procedure if they are performing this odious "service").
They go through the mouth now. The animal is fine the next day. It's more an
issue of the fact that someone took away part of their communication that is
so intrinsic to them that is horrid. And $diety forbid the poor thing is
trapped or injured or whatever and *needs* to call out for help...

I wonder if this "breeder" would de-voice her baby if it cried too much...

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Philip - 22 Apr 2005 17:23 GMT
>>> I saw a Savannah at the cat show in Arlington Heights a few weeks
>>> ago
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> much...
> --

I've learned something about breeders. This is going to be a blanket
generality fraught with exceptions, so please resist the flames.  Here goes.
Breeders with lots of animals must stay fairly detached from the animal
laboratory experiments they create.  Some experiments are more successful
than others and the lesser results get tossed. It's an ugly endeavor on
several levels.  So you cannot hold -these- breeders to standards you would
hold parents of children.
kaeli - 22 Apr 2005 18:55 GMT
> I've learned something about breeders. This is going to be a blanket
> generality fraught with exceptions, so please resist the flames.  Here goes.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> several levels.  So you cannot hold -these- breeders to standards you would
> hold parents of children.

Responsible breeders care more about their animals than many people care
about their children.
Just try to buy one of their cats. You have to fill out more forms and agree
to more home visits than many foster parents have to.
And the ones I've known would never "toss" a failed "experiment". Case in
point: an aquaintance of mine breeds Shelties and likes a certain pattern
(blue merle). Unfortunately, a double blue merle is often doomed to deafness
and often blindness as well. He got one of those in his last litter and she's
the most babied dog I've ever met. She is deaf, partially blind, and half the
size of her siblings. But damn is she pampered and she enjoys life more than
most dogs I know. She has a great personality, too. He loves her like crazy.

Now, the backyard breeder bunch is a whole 'nother ball of yarn. Worse yet,
mill "breeders". They make me ill and I often have some very violent feelings
when I think about what they do in the name of profit.

Lastly, I hold every human being to the same standards.  ;)

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Philip - 22 Apr 2005 19:52 GMT
>> I've learned something about breeders. This is going to be a blanket
>> generality fraught with exceptions, so please resist the flames.
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>
> --

I knew that post would invite flames from the "exceptions" and I growled in
advance.  ;^)

By the same token, I have met up with one local organization whose members'
attachment to the cats in their custody suggests they all needed
psychological counseling about their OWN abandonment issues.  Really. These
people wanted to invade our home, pry around, sniff the corners, inquire
about our finances, and otherwise probe like some English nanny.  WAY over
the top.  And they were ... without exception, spinsters. My wife picked up
on that one. LOL

I would say high classed "backyard" & "mill breeders" would most closely
decribe what I've seen thusfar.
kaeli - 22 Apr 2005 20:01 GMT
> I would say high classed "backyard" & "mill breeders" would most closely
> decribe what I've seen thusfar.

Yeah, some of us hate having those people classed in with breeders. Like
hackers don't like it when people call crackers "hackers".  ;)
Those types of people give the term "breeders" a bad name.

> So you cannot hold -these- breeders to standards you would
> hold parents of children.

Sure I can.
Just because BYB and MB don't care about their animals doesn't mean that's
okey dokey fine. I still hold them up to standards. They just don't meet
those standards.  *g*

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Mary - 22 Apr 2005 18:23 GMT
> >>> Great post, Orchid. Really informative, and funny and entertaining
> >>> at the same time :-)
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> NOT quite as reprehensible as the breeder I visited who had several of her
> Bengals de-voiced.

This makes me feel really sick. Who is this?
dgk - 21 Apr 2005 20:01 GMT
>1. Bengals are active cats.  Really active.  Like eleven on a 1-10
>scale active.  There is no shelf they cannot get onto, no mantel
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>2.  Bengals are high-maintanance pets.  They need attention, and they
...

That was funny. Unless you actually have one (I mean two).
Orchid - 21 Apr 2005 20:42 GMT
>That was funny. Unless you actually have one (I mean two).

    *grin*  Hey, I have two and I think it's funny.  :D  Of
course, I am one of those crazy people who thinks that all of the
'negatives' on that list are actually positive.

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kaeli - 21 Apr 2005 21:41 GMT
> >That was funny. Unless you actually have one (I mean two).
>
>     *grin*  Hey, I have two and I think it's funny.  :D  Of
> course, I am one of those crazy people who thinks that all of the
> 'negatives' on that list are actually positive.

I'm in that club, too.
I'd totally have two right now, but I know my condo isn't big enough for the
3 or 4 cat trees and shelving system around the walls I'd want to put up if I
got them.
I'd want a floor-to-ceiling tree, 2 or 3 4-6 foot trees with the hidey hole
places, and carpeted (or sisal covered for traction so they don't get hurt)
shelving running along at least 2 walls in every room about 3/4 of the way
up.

In my perfect home, (in addition to the above) one room is theirs and theirs
alone: carpeted from floor to ceiling along the walls with shelving
interspersed here and there, floor-to-ceiling tree with natural wood and bark
as well as sisal and carpet, hidey-hole things like you see at the store,
something that swings from the ceiling, maybe like a kitty-safe "tire" swing,
and more cat things for them to play with. That room would also have a cat
"door" in the window that runs outside into a fully enclosed outdoor play
area.
And maybe an aquarium for watching the fish, if I could figure out how to set
it up so they couldn't break it (recessed in the wall, maybe?).

That's my dream set-up, anyway.  :)
If I win the lottery... *g*

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Daniel Augustus - 21 Apr 2005 20:52 GMT
Very funny and well written. Submit immediately to Cat Fancy magazine.

Of course, now I want to run out and get a Bengal...or find someone who
has one so I can just observe...
CatNipped - 21 Apr 2005 21:14 GMT
> 1. Bengals are active cats.  Really active.  Like eleven on a 1-10
> scale active.  There is no shelf they cannot get onto, no mantel
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> for a pet-quality and can go all the way up to over $1000 for a show
> alter.

OMG!  I want *THREE*!!!  ;>

Hugs,

CatNipped

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John Doe - 22 Apr 2005 04:05 GMT
Orchid <neko@ascendancy.net> wrote:

...

> 3. ... They must have sufficient mental stimulation or they get
> bored. Bored Bengals make up Bengal games.

That's funny.

> 6.  Bengals are heavy scratchers.  You can forget about those
> wimpy little 2' carpet-covered scratching posts at Petsmart --
> posts for Bengals need to be tall and heavy.  Cat trees are best
>  -- and expensive.  If you don't provide enough places to
> scratch, your furniture is history, and declawed Bengals are
> usually biters.

Agreed agreed agreed. One way to help stop a cat scratching things
is to provide things for it to scratch. Some people just think the
cat shouldn't scratch.

> 7.  Bengals are greedy.  I am a professional trainer, and my
> cats are very well trained with ~20 behaviours including
> dog-style obedience, stupid tricks, and agility.  I cannot train
> them to stay off counters and cannot train them to leave food
> alone.  All the usual methods (aluminum foil, upside-down carpet
> runners, citrus, cans full of pennies, etc) simply do not work.

Have you tried a foot of upside-down packaging tape? Two or three
encounters and it leaves an impression. You probably should be
there to remove it just in case they can't. They will sort of cope
with it stuck to their fur but it is an uneasy alliance.

That might be rough on the cat, however there might be situations
when you really need to keep the cat out of a particular area. I
don't know if it works on Bengals, but it does work on my cats.

Thanks for the entertaining post.
Orchid - 22 Apr 2005 22:29 GMT
>Have you tried a foot of upside-down packaging tape? Two or three
>encounters and it leaves an impression. You probably should be
>there to remove it just in case they can't. They will sort of cope
>with it stuck to their fur but it is an uneasy alliance.

    Heh.  The boys think all tape (packing, double-sided, etc) is
fun.  They will deliberately step on it and either play 'sticky foot'
(with doublesided) or 'get a piece of tape on all four feet and go
torment your brother' (with single-sided)
    They've also been trained to lie down and yell for us if they
are stuck and can't get out of something they've gotten themselves
into.  So putting tape down would be a great opportunity for a Bengal
choral concert.

    But thanks for the idea!  As a professional trainer I always
welcome suggestions I might not have heard before.

Orchid
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Alex - 22 Apr 2005 11:37 GMT
/orchid

SNIP

Great post - my fiancee would like one owing to their intelligence but our
current cat is not restricted to indoors, and can come and go as he pleases.
Are Bengals really indoor-only cats?   She said she felt Bengals may be too
valuable to let out, and might even be stolen.  Which would mean we would
have to wait until our current cat passes away before we could get one - or
would a Bengal be too bright to go outside?
Charlie Wilkes - 22 Apr 2005 12:09 GMT
>/orchid
>
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>have to wait until our current cat passes away before we could get one - or
>would a Bengal be too bright to go outside?

They are DANGEROUS, man!  Once they are outdoors, they snap into
hunting mode.  Unlike most cats they prefer to hunt in packs, and
ordinary cats in the neighborhood, sensing the superior intellect and
cunning of the Bengal, will readily follow its lead.  Human fatalities
are rare, but serious maulings, especially of small children, are not
so rare.   Pit bulls, especially, are at serious risk in any
neighborhood patrolled by Bengal cats.

All in all, it's a bad idea.  Frankly, I think you ought to reconsider
whether you want to marry a woman who would invite such chaos into
your new home.

Charlie
Alex - 22 Apr 2005 13:15 GMT
> They are DANGEROUS, man!  Once they are outdoors, they snap into
> hunting mode.  Unlike most cats they prefer to hunt in packs, and
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> whether you want to marry a woman who would invite such chaos into
> your new home.

She's already in it...I'd never had a cat but she brought her short-hair
moggie along, we get on great.  He's quite a hunter when he's out at night,
brings in mice every other day and a full size rat last month.  Not really
what I wanted first thing in a morning... but to my original question, do
Bengals really suit going outside?
Philip - 22 Apr 2005 17:23 GMT
>> They are DANGEROUS, man!  Once they are outdoors, they snap into
>> hunting mode.  Unlike most cats they prefer to hunt in packs, and
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> last month.  Not really what I wanted first thing in a morning... but
> to my original question, do Bengals really suit going outside?

Freshly caught mouse dipped like a tea bag into a mug of hot chicken broth
... to die for!  LOL
Philip - 22 Apr 2005 17:23 GMT
> They (Bengals) are DANGEROUS, man!  Once they are outdoors,
> they snap into
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>
> Charlie

Charlie ... you are joking.
Charlie Wilkes - 22 Apr 2005 22:35 GMT
>> They (Bengals) are DANGEROUS, man!  Once they are outdoors,
>> they snap into
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>Charlie ... you are joking.

Of course.  I don't know about Bengal cats, except what I saw on
Orchid's web site.

The one thing I have figured out, however, is that they are demanding
pets for serious enthusiasts only.

Charlie
Orchid - 22 Apr 2005 21:11 GMT
>Great post - my fiancee would like one owing to their intelligence but our
>current cat is not restricted to indoors, and can come and go as he pleases.
>Are Bengals really indoor-only cats?  

    In a word, yes.  Completely apart from the fact every
responsible breeder has an 'indoors-only' clause in their contract,
your cat would be 'adopted' by another family immediately.  Bengals
are very friendly, and they're so gorgeous and exotic-looking that
they'd be taken in or stolen very quickly.

> She said she felt Bengals may be too
>valuable to let out, and might even be stolen.  

    Which is correct, apart from all the health and safety reasons
that *all* cats should be indoors with any outdoor time supervised.

>Which would mean we would
>have to wait until our current cat passes away before we could get one - or
>would a Bengal be too bright to go outside?

    Our boys get to go out on harnesses and leashes.  They get
extremely excited when they see their leads come out, because they
know that means outside time.  No animal on earth is going to stay
inside while watching their housemate go out freely.

    Maybe you could get the Bengal and start keeping your current
cat inside where s/he'll be safer?

Orchid
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PawsForThought - 22 Apr 2005 16:18 GMT
> 1. Bengals are active cats.  Really active.  Like eleven on a 1-10
> scale active.

My Mickey is about a 20, LOL.  But he is not a Bengal.

There is no shelf they cannot get onto, no mantel
> that's safe from kitty romping.  Knicknacks that aren't stuck down
> with museum wax aren't going to survive.  16 week old Bengal kittens
> can jump from the floor to the top of the fridge.

My cats love to get on the top of our entertainment center which is
VERY tall, almost to the ceiling.  It freaks me out every time I see
them up there.

> 2.  Bengals are high-maintanance pets.  They need attention, and they
> need company.  If you work outside the house, do yourself a favour and
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> stuck-down knicknacks?  They're history if you don't give your Bengal
> enough attention.

My cats are attention hogs too.  Mickey is especially a play junkie.
He needs to be played with on a constant basis.  Meesha likes to play
too but she's not quite as addicted as Mickey is.

> 3. Bengals are smart.  Spooky smart.  They work together and teach
> each other things.

My cats are extremely intelligent.  They are always helping each other
getting into things :)

I appreciate all the traits of a Bengal, but I see my cats have many of
the traits too.  I think each cat is an individual, but I suppose by
buying a purebred a person might have the deck stacked a bit more in
looking for certain traits.

Lauren
Orchid - 22 Apr 2005 21:12 GMT
>I appreciate all the traits of a Bengal, but I see my cats have many of
>the traits too.  I think each cat is an individual, but I suppose by
>buying a purebred a person might have the deck stacked a bit more in
>looking for certain traits.

    Absolutely.  Any cat have have one or more of the traits I
just described -- it's just that Bengals generally have *all* of them.
The point of getting a purebred is that predictability.

Orchid
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Slimpickins - 23 Apr 2005 05:49 GMT
Excellent post, Orchid! I certainly trust you*, of all people, to know about
these issues. Thank you for your wise and insightful observations.

ML

> 1. Bengals are active cats.  Really active.  Like eleven on a 1-10
> scale active.  There is no shelf they cannot get onto, no mantel
[quoted text clipped - 69 lines]
> See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage
> Want a Purebred Cat?  Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid
Mary - 23 Apr 2005 06:35 GMT
> Excellent post, Orchid! I certainly trust you*, of all people, to know about
> these issues. Thank you for your wise and insightful observations.
>
> ML

:)

> > 1. Bengals are active cats.  Really active.  Like eleven on a 1-10
> > scale active.  There is no shelf they cannot get onto, no mantel
[quoted text clipped - 69 lines]
> > See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage
> > Want a Purebred Cat?  Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid
 
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