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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / April 2005BENGAL cats
Has anyone here owned a good Bengal or ... even a Bengal mix? I've met some Bengals at Jean Mills cattery in Covina (CA) and was taken by the handsome markings and their highly active nature. But I'd like to hear from those who have lived with one (or more) about their personalities ... specifically where box training and daily temperment are concerned as a house only cat. Thanks. > Has anyone here owned a good Bengal or ... even a Bengal mix? I've met some > Bengals at Jean Mills cattery in Covina (CA) and was taken by the handsome [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks. I believe a poster with the nym "Orchid" had Bengals. There has been a great deal of discussion about them here so you might want to do a Google search on this group. There are plenty of full-bred and part Bengals at shelters everywhere--perhaps some people do not like their high activity levels. One nice thing about a cat that has been in a no-kill shelter for a few months is that you know they have good elimination habits and have been well socialized to people and cats. If you go here: http://www.petfinder.com/ you can put in your zip code or city and see photos of the available Bengal mixes in your area. You could save money and do a nice thing at the same time. Just something to think about. >I believe a poster with the nym "Orchid" had Bengals. Has. Temujin and Kefka are alive, well, and Temujin is sacked out on my lap after playing 'chase my brother around the house 20 times'. >There has been a >great deal of discussion about them here so you might want to do >a Google search on this group. I responded to the OP in alt.cats, but I reiterate advice here to read my 'Top Ten Reasons You Don't Want A Bengal'. I love them, but many people would not. >There are plenty of full-bred and >part Bengals at shelters everywhere--perhaps some people do >not like their high activity levels. One nice thing about a cat >that has been in a no-kill shelter for a few months is that you >know they have good elimination habits and have been well >socialized to people and cats. If the OP is just after the coat pattern of a Bengal, that's a not bad idea. Actually, if the OP is just after the older coat pattern, that'll work. You're not going to find a cat like this at a shelter, and if you do, snap him up because he won't be there long. http://www.wildlovebengals.com/studs.html If the OP is after the full package, I'd recommend either Bengal Rescue and a known purebreed or a responsible breeder. Either way, I strongly recommend the OP joining Bengals-L (a yahoo group) to connect with other owners and responsible breeders who can help with breed quirks. Orchid See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid > I responded to the OP in alt.cats, but I reiterate advice here > to read my 'Top Ten Reasons You Don't Want A Bengal'. I love them, > but many people would not. I searched for that and got nothing (except other threads saying to search for it). Can you re-post?  Signature-- ~kaeli~ Persons disagreeing with facts are always emotional and employ faulty reasoning. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace >> I responded to the OP in alt.cats, but I reiterate advice here >> to read my 'Top Ten Reasons You Don't Want A Bengal'. I love them, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > for it). > Can you re-post? I'm not Orchid, but it is an interesting, amusing, and informative list. It's not in a thread or article with that title, but it's definitely worth reading, so here's a link to it: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.cats.health+behav/msg/6173d46594f25 b47?hl=en brian SignatureIf you want to reply to this message by mail, you will have to change the reply address to beuchaw@beuchaw.net >> I responded to the OP in alt.cats, but I reiterate advice here >> to read my 'Top Ten Reasons You Don't Want A Bengal'. I love them, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > -- Oh good. You saved me some time. Yes, please repost *HERE*. Thanks >> I believe a poster with the nym "Orchid" had Bengals. > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage > Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid Orchid: Thank you for your response. I will check alt.cats for your post and "'Top Ten Reasons You Don't Want A Bengal'. I'm NOT looking primarily for a handsome cat. I am looking for another *interactive* indoor only cat. My last tabby of 14 yrs passed on recently due to an enlarged heart. Wondering if Bengals keep their claws retracted when playing around with adult people, is rather bold with visitors, reasonably vocal, and possess robust health. I'll look for your Top Ten ... Thanks >Orchid: Thank you for your response. I will check alt.cats for your post >and "'Top Ten Reasons You Don't Want A Bengal'. I'm NOT looking primarily >for a handsome cat. I am looking for another *interactive* indoor only cat. Heh. Bengals certainly are interactive. They are great helpers around the house. Especially when one is doing dishes. They *love* helping then. >My last tabby of 14 yrs passed on recently due to an enlarged heart. I'm terribly sorry. :( >Wondering if Bengals keep their claws retracted when playing around with >adult people, If taught to do so. Bengals, like any other cat, dog, or other pet, need to be taught bite and claw inhibition. My boys have never deliberately scratched anyone. They keep claws in (though there are the occasional accidents) and bite gently (we taught inhibition, not aversion though Bengals learn either equally well). >is rather bold with visitors, The welcoming committee of my house is two 13 pound Bengals and an almost 7 pound moggy who thinks he's a Bengal. They have never met a stranger -- everyone is simply their new best friend. My boys are also therapy cats, and go to nursing homes and hospitals. >reasonably vocal, That's something I keep meaning to add to the list. Bengals are talkative and have very distinctive voices. They are happy to carry on a conversation with you. >and possess robust health. Responsible breeders are starting to test for HCM because it has shown up in the breed. Not in overwhelming numbers, but enough that good breeders are being careful. Other than that, it is a remarkably robust breed. >I'll look for your Top Ten ... Please note that all of the traits I am talking about appear in well bred, well socialised Bengals. You *must* do your research and you *must* use a responsible breeder to get these traits. It's best to use a breeder who lives near enough to you that you can visit them and meet their cats. Read my Guide to Finding a Responsible Breeder too, and follow it. (it's in my .sig) Get on Bengals-L and start talking to people. I'll be glad to give you a hand too if you still decide you want one after reading the reasons why you wouldn't. If you're not dead set on a kitten, seriously consider Bengal Rescue or a retired show/breeding cat. Orchid See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid In what way do they help with the dishes. As for interactive, Bengals aren't the only breed requiring this. Try having a Japanese Bobtail in your household. My Icarus requires constant attention unless he is using the litterbox, eating or sleeping. He is a bit destructive and has a knack for getting into trouble but he also likes to jump in my lap and lay next to me when I am at rest. From time to time he also likes to go underneath the bed covers. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > >>Orchid: Thank you for your response. I will check alt.cats for your post [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage > Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid >In what way do they help with the dishes. *sigh* Please note the quotations around 'help'. Bengals love to play in water. Therefore, running water would be a great draw for paws and heads and faces and sometimes entire bodies while the person is trying to do the dishes. They're 'helping'. >As for interactive, Bengals aren't >the only breed requiring this. Where, exactly, did I say that only Bengals are interactive? Any cat can have any of the traits I discuss -- it's just that Bengals tend to have all of them. Orchid See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid I have no idea what is the big deal with Bengals. They're beautiful cats but you can find some of the same traits in cats that are awaiting adoption at the local shelter. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com >>In what way do they help with the dishes. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage > Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid >I have no idea what is the big deal with Bengals. They're beautiful cats but >you can find some of the same traits in cats that are awaiting adoption at >the local shelter. Attention "Mimi - age 12 via CatKB.com" -- as promised, pull up a chair and learn!! And keep in mind, this person is an adult male in his 30's. enjoy! eq "CP" ... how many cats do you own right now who were rescued from an animal shelter? Do you also claim as many such kitties as practical and then find them new homes too? > I have no idea what is the big deal with Bengals. They're beautiful > cats but you can find some of the same traits in cats that are [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage >> Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid All 3 of my cats are rescues and cats own you, not the other way around. I rescued Jade from an abandoned apartment and found Icarus as a stray. Isis I adopted from the Humane Society. I also help promote cat adoptions as well as I have an Internet radio and TV station for cats. You can check it out and see what that is all about. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > "CP" ... how many cats do you own right now who were rescued from an > animal shelter? Do you also claim as many such kitties as practical and [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >>> See Orchid's Kitties! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/bengalpage >>> Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid Dear CP: You've made my point and I wish you well. > All 3 of my cats are rescues and cats own you, not the other way > around. I rescued Jade from an abandoned apartment and found Icarus [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >>>> Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- >>>> http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid I made your point? How? You seem stuck on getting a purebreed which is sad when so many cats at the shelter need good and loving homes. It is cat and kitten season so the best thing you can do is adopt from a shelter because it helps save a life and gives that cat needing one, a home full of love and happiness. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > Dear CP: You've made my point and I wish you well. > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >>>>> Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- >>>>> http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid CP: Your message bears a striking similarity to playing broken record. > I made your point? How? You seem stuck on getting a purebreed which > is sad when so many cats at the shelter need good and loving homes. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >>>>>> Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- >>>>>> http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid Well sometimes one has to repeat themselves if they don't think the other person is listening. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > CP: Your message bears a striking similarity to playing broken record. > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >>>>>>> Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- >>>>>>> http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid But that is not your real reason. Your responses suggest that if the other person does not agree with your viewpoint that repetition will win them over. Forget it, CP. You are that transparent. > Well sometimes one has to repeat themselves if they don't think the > other person is listening. [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >>>>>>>> Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- >>>>>>>> http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid You are full of crap. I think you just don't like the fact someone is willing to call your hand here. You seem to think that going to a breeder is better than cats in the shelter. Your reasoning for not supporting getting a cat from the shelter is simply because it is too sad. What is sad is not giving a cat that needs one a really good home when so many cats are in the shelter due to no fault of their own. I really don't think you should have a cat since it is obvious to me from what you posted that you are not ready. The cats in the shelters deserve good and loving homes with humans that actually are willing to care for them for life not just some part-time responsibility. It is apparent that no matter what anyone says that you are not going to listen since you seem hell bent on getting a purebreed. I guess I have said all I can say. You have proved my point that some people like yourself see shelter cats as being lower in quality than a purebreed which simply is not true. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > But that is not your real reason. Your responses suggest that if the > other person does not agree with your viewpoint that repetition will win [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >>>>>>>>> Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- >>>>>>>>> http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid "CP" : Go work out YOUR abandonment issues with a therapist ... a human therapist. Now if you please, put my screen name in your killfile. > You are full of crap. I think you just don't like the fact someone is > willing to call your hand here. You seem to think that going to a [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] >>>>>>>>>> Want a Purebred Cat? Read This! -- >>>>>>>>>> http://nik.ascendancy.net/orchid >You are full of crap. I think you just don't like the fact someone is >willing to call your hand here. You seem to think that going to a breeder is [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >shelter cats as being lower in quality than a purebreed which simply is not >true. Let him or her alone and rag on me for awhile.........I ordered my purebred Siberian cat two weeks ago and I had a good reason too.....because I wanted to.......why should I have to take something I don't want to try and correct other peoples mistakes that I had nothing to do with......there are many things about a Siberian that I won't be able to get with a rescue cat. Now I have thought about possibly adding a rescue or shelter cat down the road but no one will shame me into buying a rescue cat especially someone using the tactics that you do........did you have children instead of adopting a needy child from overseas perhaps.....how selfish you are for that.......now you are talking about human life.......let people do what they wish its no ones business but the person buying the cat. If there had been a rescue Siberian available I would have had a very serious look at that but there are no rescue Siberians in a five state area from me.........that might tell you something about why I want a siberian too. Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" >> In what way do they help with the dishes. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Orchid Cat Protector is having a bad day keeping thoughts cogent today. Would one of those indoor fountains (2-3 gallon recirculating water) be a good thing? We have one of those already! LOL "Interactive" is a word I introduced in my prerequisite of a new cat in our home. A vocabulary makes for an all the more interesting house companion. >> Has anyone here owned a good Bengal or ... even a Bengal mix? I've >> met some Bengals at Jean Mills cattery in Covina (CA) and was taken [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Just something to think about. Mary: Thank you for your response. I DID find one Bengal that caught my attention yesterday on petfinder. Truly an interesting service, Petfinder. You raise a good point that had not occured to me. A "no-kill' shelter would have civilized a box phobic Bengal in short order. The "wild' streak in Bengals (the asian leopard cat) raises a yellow flag to me where box training is concerned. Apparently an F4 is about the level they "get it" about peeing in a box only. When I visited Mrs. Mills's cattery, I saw some really interesting behaviors. I saw four different cats using tread mill wheels on their own ... just like a caged hamster does! Others exhibited the wild cat heavy breathing before they growled. All very very active. > Has anyone here owned a good Bengal or ... even a Bengal mix? > I've met some Bengals at Jean Mills cattery in Covina (CA) and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thanks. Hi Phillip. I have a pair of 8 month olds that were found as tiny kittens with 2 others that look and act amazingly like Bengals. The male more than the female (female cats can have litters with more than a single mate) When I was told it was likely they are at least a mix, I was scared. LOL. I've read Orchid's articles and website, and the energy of these cats seemed like too much for me. However, its been a blast so far. Yes, both of them are mischievious (well, most kittens are anyway! ;)) but they do team up to get in trouble, too. They play in water and I tried an experiment with a kitchen sink partially filled with cool water and waited to see 1) if they'd find it (of course they would. I can't keep them out of the sink) and 2) what they'd do. Well, they both got almost completely in the sink playing in it. Got soaked! I tried this because they always try to get in my shower with me. Rhett plays fetch and I caught it on a short video: http://home.comcast.net/~shambondow/P2050008.MOV I can't keep them off of shelves, even if the shelves are full and look like they have no place to land; they ALWAYS find a place to land. ;) In fact, I can't keep them off of anything they want to jump on. As far as being affectionate, they both are very affectionate. Rhett has the loudest rumbly purr I've ever heard and Scarlett is a total lapcat. But, she's also the most fearless of the two, ready to investigate anything and always the one getting in my way when I vaccum. I have 2 other cats, and when I chose these two from the litter of four found abandoned (by their mom, or she met with bad fate - she was apparently either a stray or a feral) I had one of my other two in mind. He is a wild boy, a bully, and needed a companion who could keep up with him, and wouldn't be easily frightened by his nature. These two fit the bill perfectly. Rhett and Shamrock wrestle and chase each other, while Scarlett tags along. My 4th is a former feral trapped in my yard and is easily spooked. She has totally bonded with Rhett, the likely Bengal (mix). I adore all of them. Here are pics of the kittens and the second link is an album just of Rhett that I sent to Orchid who said they (or at least Rhett) is likely at least part Bengal (I really need to get some new ones up!): http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/shambondow/album?.dir=1f98&.src=ph http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/shambondow/album?.dir=8768&.src=ph SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields I love the pix, Cheryl. Gail >> Has anyone here owned a good Bengal or ... even a Bengal mix? >> I've met some Bengals at Jean Mills cattery in Covina (CA) and [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/shambondow/album?.dir=1f98&.src=ph > http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/shambondow/album?.dir=8768&.src=ph On Thu 21 Apr 2005 09:58:58p, Gail wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav (news:CTY9e.10109$An2.4033 @newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net): > I love the pix, Cheryl. > Gail Thanks Gail! SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields > Rhett plays fetch and I caught it on a short video: > http://home.comcast.net/~shambondow/P2050008.MOV OMG! Thanks for posting that. Gave me a great chuckle...and a MUCH needed one at that! Pam >> Rhett plays fetch and I caught it on a short video: >> http://home.comcast.net/~shambondow/P2050008.MOV [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Pam :) Glad you liked it! He's so funny with the fetch game. He'll :play it with anything, though he has his favorites. He'll find :one of his fetch toys and bring it to me and drop it at my feet. :If I'm busy and don't notice, he'll play with it while he lays on :my feet. :) You can't miss that! Here are a couple of others of him playing. In the first one, I captured him jumping up the wall to get the laser dot. The second one isn't as significant WRT his playing, but I think its funny the way Shamrock looks at the camera as if to say "There they go again Mom!" And, Bonnie is walking down the hall when the kittens are chasing the dot and she flicks her tail at Scarlett when she plays too close. LOL The second one also shows how they tend to "tag team" when they play-hunt. Interesting. To me anyway. http://home.comcast.net/~shambondow/P1230030.MOV http://home.comcast.net/~shambondow/P1230029.MOV SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields > Here are a couple of others of him playing. In the first one, I > captured him jumping up the wall to get the laser dot. The second [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > http://home.comcast.net/~shambondow/P1230030.MOV > http://home.comcast.net/~shambondow/P1230029.MOV Awesome. They are interesting to me, too. And the look on Shamrock's face IS funny. :) From what I know about Bengals they are not only energetic cats but also very needy as well. They need to have their human around on a constant basis and can be rather a handful and somewhat difficult to discipline. They kind of remind me of the Japanese Bobtail temperment wise. I have a Bobtail and he is a handful but also is very sweet at times. Of course Icarus also wants to be the dominant cat as well. I really suggest people read up on breeds before getting one. BTW, why don't you adopt a cat from the shelter? So many cats are needing good homes right now due to cat and kitten season. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > Has anyone here owned a good Bengal or ... even a Bengal mix? I've met > some [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Thanks. Have been doing all you suggest. Tours of two local animal shelters is heart wrenching and yet ... we have to live with what we choose. I saw too many cats curled up in their own (clean) litter boxes with that look of resignation on their faces of this being "the end." Not dignified at all. I did see one young Abby that had been "Owner Surrendered." Very nice looking cat until I read why the cat was surrendered. I not a therapist for an hostile feline with a list of "issues." > From what I know about Bengals they are not only energetic cats but > also very needy as well. They need to have their human around on a [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> where box training and daily temperment are concerned as a house >> only cat. Thanks. So seeing cats in a shelter depresses you which is why you are going to a breeder? Does anyone else find something wrong with this logic? Right now shelters are filling up with felines that new homes and need to be adopted into good and loving homes more than ever. It is a shame that you can't open up your heart to a feline that is looking for a special human to give them that castle they have been hoping for. As for the surrendering of animals, it bothers me that some humans will think of every excuse in the book to turn in or dump an animal to a shelter such as they're moving, new baby and any of the other week reasons to return a cat to the shelter. If you are looking for an easy responsibility with cats and not wanting to do much care, maybe you shouldn't be adopting here. A cat is not a novelty item nor are they to be tossed out later when the human simply grows tired of them. Having a cat is a life long commitment not a short term one. I think maybe you really need to rethink things here before adopting a cat. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > Have been doing all you suggest. Tours of two local animal shelters is > heart wrenching and yet ... we have to live with what we choose. I saw too [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >>> where box training and daily temperment are concerned as a house >>> only cat. Thanks. "Cat Protector". IF you are addressing me (Philip), there is NOTHING I have posted that suggests I have any intentions of becoming a breeder. So my "logic" is intact and doing well, thank you very much. Regarding the remainder of your response, I have owned cats for most of my 70 yrs and all but the most recent tabby (aged 14) lived into their late teens. So please reframe from making assumptions to fit your convenient preconceptions. Thank you. With SO MANY candidates for adoption available, we can and should be selective. And considering the limitations imposed by a single family detached home, my wife and I can accomodate one or possibly two new indoor cats. We are NOT about to start operating a cattery to suit a political cause. > Cat Protector wrote: > So seeing cats in a shelter depresses you which is why you are going [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] >>>> where box training and daily temperment are concerned as a house >>>> only cat. Thanks. I never stated you had intentions in becoming a breeder. But I do have a dim view on people who make up various excuses as to why they decided to go to a breeder to get a cat because they are too saddened at going to a shelter to see cats that desperately need new homes especially right now due to cat and kitten season. Sure it is a little sad to see all the cats in the shelter because you want to adopt all of them but when you find that one special cat there it is a great feeling when you decide to bring them home. I had that very closeness with Isis. When she saw me, she meowed and rubbed up against the glass as if she had known me all of her life. When I held her it was great and I knew she was going home with me. I never regretted it and seven years later she is still queen of the house and I am her proud human servent. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > "Cat Protector". IF you are addressing me (Philip), there is NOTHING I > have posted that suggests I have any intentions of becoming a breeder. So [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] >>>>> where box training and daily temperment are concerned as a house >>>>> only cat. Thanks. >I never stated you had intentions in becoming a breeder. But I do have a dim >view on people who make up various excuses as to why they decided to go to a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >years later she is still queen of the house and I am her proud human >servent. I think we know your views why dont you just shut the hell up.........what the hell is up with you........were you an orphan and no one wanted you because you were still in diapers at 10 years old?? Your goody two shoes routine is getting sickening...... Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" > >I never stated you had intentions in becoming a breeder. But I do have a dim > >view on people who make up various excuses as to why they decided to go to a [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Your goody two shoes routine is getting sickening...... Piss off, Brad. CP may be a goody-twoshoes but he is OUR goody-twoshoes. Sigh. I am nobody's goody two shoes. I do however belong to 3 great cats named Isis, Jade, and Icarus who much to Phil and Brad's chagrin are all rescues. No breeder needed to get these cats. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > Piss off, Brad. CP may be a goody-twoshoes but he is OUR > goody-twoshoes. > Sigh. I am nobody's goody two shoes. I do however belong to 3 great cats > named Isis, Jade, and Icarus who much to Phil and Brad's chagrin are all > rescues. No breeder needed to get these cats. > > > Piss off, Brad. CP may be a goody-twoshoes but he is OUR > > goody-twoshoes. I was just playing. Despite our differences, at least you do not support breeders. >> Sigh. I am nobody's goody two shoes. I do however belong to 3 great >> cats named Isis, Jade, and Icarus who much to Phil and Brad's [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I was just playing. Despite our differences, at least you do > not support breeders. Sounds like a gay thing. > > I was just playing. Despite our differences, at least you do > > not support breeders. > > Sounds like a gay thing. Not that there's anything wrong with that. ;) *ahem* Signature-- ~kaeli~ Dancing cheek-to-cheek is really a form of floor play. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace > > > I was just playing. Despite our differences, at least you do > > > not support breeders. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Not that there's anything wrong with that. ;) > *ahem* I've noticed that someone (not kaeli), I'm not saying who ("ladies," "typical feminine") seems to have some women/sexuality issues, which means I can't take them seriously. Too much throwback going on there. Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/ >> In article <HMEbe.17404$44.17377@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>, >> 1chip- [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > "typical feminine") seems to have some women/sexuality issues, which > means I can't take them seriously. Too much throwback going on there. I could take that if he also exhibited the *virtues* associated with being reared in an earlier generation - chauvinism can be ameliorated by respect, kindness, compassion - all of the values that were taught along with the errors propagated by an earlier time. However, this guy seems to have latched on to all the of bad without gleaning any of the good. Hugs, CatNipped > I've noticed that someone (not kaeli), I'm not saying who ("ladies," > "typical feminine") seems to have some women/sexuality issues, which > means I can't take them seriously. Too much throwback going on there. > > -- > http://www.slywy.com/ Nah, I think he's just a dirty old man. Viagra, ya know. -L. >> I've noticed that someone (not kaeli), I'm not saying who ("ladies," >> "typical feminine") seems to have some women/sexuality issues, which [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > -L. Sexually repressed women with low self esteem are usually prudes, Diane > > > I was just playing. Despite our differences, at least you do > > > not support breeders. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Not that there's anything wrong with that. ;) > *ahem* He meant using the term "breeders - "at least you do not support breeders"". It's a term gay men use for heterosexuals. -L. > > In article <HMEbe.17404$44.17377@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>, > 1chip- [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > He meant using the term "breeders - "at least you do not support > breeders"". It's a term gay men use for heterosexuals. Really?! I had no idea. *ahem* *snickers* Signature-- ~kaeli~ Acupuncture is a jab well done. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace >>>>> I was just playing. Despite our differences, at least you do >>>>> not support breeders. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > *ahem* > *snickers* I just visited your website and read your personals. (oy yoy yoy). > I just visited your website and read your personals. (oy yoy yoy). hehehehehe NOW you see. :^) ROFL Signature-- ~kaeli~ If a turtle doesn't have a shell, is he homeless or naked? http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace > In article <5e5ce.591$V01.528@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>, > 1chip-state1 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > NOW you see. :^) > ROFL Do you have a friend that could give Mary the kind of love she needs? > > In article <5e5ce.591$V01.528@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>, > > 1chip-state1 [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Do you have a friend that could give Mary the kind of love she needs? Yes, that's right, Phillip, I am starved for love. That must be why I fall all over myself courting a.sholes like you. :) > Do you have a friend that could give Mary the kind of love she needs? I resent the implication that I don't love her enough. Shame on you. :^) Signature-- ~kaeli~ If the funeral procession is at night, do folks drive with their lights off? http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace > > Do you have a friend that could give Mary the kind of love she needs? > > I resent the implication that I don't love her enough. Shame on you. :^) lol! >> Do you have a friend that could give Mary the kind of love she needs? > > I resent the implication that I don't love her enough. Shame on you. > :^) (snicker) > Really?! I had no idea. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart > http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace Well, some people aren't as hip as you, Kaeli. </me rolls eyes> -L. > Well, some people aren't as hip as you, Kaeli. > </me rolls eyes> > -L. I know. It's a curse. Signature-- ~kaeli~ If the funeral procession is at night, do folks drive with their lights off? http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace > > Well, some people aren't as hip as you, Kaeli. > > </me rolls eyes> > > -L. > > I know. It's a curse. I used to read alt.showbiz.gossip. Even I know what a breeder is. I am one but not a very effective one! ;) Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/ > >> Sigh. I am nobody's goody two shoes. I do however belong to 3 great > >> cats named Isis, Jade, and Icarus who much to Phil and Brad's [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Sounds like a gay thing. How about now? 8) The embarrassment is yours ... for declaring you belong to a lower creature. But of course (let's hope), you are joking. ;-) You have one of the "Goody Two Shoes" on already so you may as well slip on the one other too. > Sigh. I am nobody's goody two shoes. I do however belong to 3 great > cats named Isis, Jade, and Icarus who much to Phil and Brad's chagrin > are all rescues. No breeder needed to get these cats. > >> Piss off, Brad. CP may be a goody-twoshoes but he is OUR >> goody-twoshoes. >>> I never stated you had intentions in becoming a breeder. But I do >>> have a dim view on people who make up various excuses as to why [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Piss off, Brad. CP may be a goody-twoshoes but he is OUR > goody-twoshoes. "Our?" Mary, are you leading the All-American First Cavalry Amazon Battalion? >>> I never stated you had intentions in becoming a breeder. But I do >>> have a dim view on people who make up various excuses as to why [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Piss off, Brad. CP may be a goody-twoshoes but he is OUR > goody-twoshoes. "Our?" Mary, are you leading the All-American First Cavalry Amazon Battalion? I have a right to my views but I think you are just pissed off because I happen to be one of those people that happens to give a damn about those cats in the shelters. In case you hadn't noticed it is Cat & Kitten Season where many shelters are filled to capacity with felines. So, if it pisses you off tough! Here is one other thing to make you mad. Shelter cats rock! SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > I think we know your views why dont you just shut the hell > up.........what the hell is up with you........were you an orphan and > no one wanted you because you were still in diapers at 10 years old?? > > Your goody two shoes routine is getting sickening...... > "Cat Protector". IF you are addressing me (Philip), there is NOTHING I > have posted that suggests I have any intentions of becoming a breeder. So [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > teens. So please reframe from making assumptions to fit your convenient > preconceptions. Thank you. Philip, do a quick google search on CP's past posting history. You'll find he doesn't have preconceptions. In fact, he doesn't have conceptions at all. He's got a good heart but most of the time he doesn't comprehend what's been written. Sherry Complete and utter B.S. Sherry. It is amazing how many flame wars you start in here. If it isn't about you or if someone doesn't bend to your will or agree with you, they are labled the bad guy. Nice to see you are still consistant. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com <sriddles@aol.com> wrote in message > Philip, do a quick google search on CP's past posting history. You'll > find he doesn't have preconceptions. In fact, he doesn't have > conceptions at all. He's got a good heart but most of the time he > doesn't comprehend what's been written. > Sherry CP: You have just decribed your correspondance with me. snip > If it isn't about you or if someone doesn't bend to > your will or agree with you, they are labled the bad guy. Nice to see [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> doesn't comprehend what's been written. >> Sherry > Complete and utter B.S. Sherry. It is amazing how many flame wars you start > in here. If it isn't about you or if someone doesn't bend to your will or > agree with you, they are labled the bad guy. Nice to see you are still > consistant. I am not flaming you, CP. I actually gave you the benefit of the doubt because I think you *do* have a good heart. The problem is, and if you'll open your eyes you'll see that *every poster here* will agree with me--you don't read a post thoroughly before you go off half-cocked and start arguing. Half the time it seems you don't read at all. Try reading a post thoroughly, and try to comprehend exactly what the poster is *saying* before you reply. Sherry > > Complete and utter B.S. Sherry. It is amazing how many flame wars you > start [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Sherry I thought you were very nice, Sherry. > > > Complete and utter B.S. Sherry. It is amazing how many flame wars you > > start [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > I thought you were very nice, Sherry. Well, thank you. I'm trying. I really am. Sherry > > > > Complete and utter B.S. Sherry. It is amazing how many flame wars > you [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Well, thank you. I'm trying. I really am. I kind of feel I have done my part over the past two months by setting the bad example. :) Not with CP, but you know what I mean. Seems we have reached a calm period now, anyway. Hopefully not the calm before another storm. >>>>> Complete and utter B.S. Sherry. It is amazing how many flame wars >>>>> you start in here. If it isn't about you or if someone doesn't [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > reached a calm period now, anyway. Hopefully > not the calm before another storm. I've been here less than a week. Ya mean to say you nice people have staged "cat fights" on this forum? > >>>>> Complete and utter B.S. Sherry. It is amazing how many flame wars > >>>>> you start in here. If it isn't about you or if someone doesn't [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > I've been here less than a week. Ya mean to say you nice people have staged > "cat fights" on this forum? Actually, they were all spontaneous on my part. :) I read all the posts here I just don't march to Sherry's tune. I side with the cats. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com >> I am not flaming you, CP. I actually gave you the benefit of the doubt >> because I think you *do* have a good heart. The problem is, and if [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I thought you were very nice, Sherry. >>> I am not flaming you, CP. I actually gave you the benefit of the >>> doubt because I think you *do* have a good heart. The problem is, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I read all the posts here I just don't march to Sherry's tune. I side > with the cats. There is reading and then there is comprehension, CP. Obviously you don't comprehend that cats found at shelters are just as good as purebreeds. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > There is reading and then there is comprehension, CP. CP: As with ALL blanket generalizations rooted in unchecked emotion, your assertion is false. > Obviously you don't comprehend that cats found at shelters are just > as good as purebreeds. > >> There is reading and then there is comprehension, CP. >There is reading and then there is comprehension, CP. Watch out for good ole Fillup if you don't agree with him he will soon start spewing his filth........is that why you left the other group Fill.......?? Brad LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!" >> "Cat Protector". IF you are addressing me (Philip), there is >> NOTHING I have posted that suggests I have any intentions of [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > doesn't comprehend what's been written. > Sherry I that case, I am more confident that "he" is a "human servant" with the cats having the upper hand. I am a proud human servent to three cats. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com >>> "Cat Protector". IF you are addressing me (Philip), there is >>> NOTHING I have posted that suggests I have any intentions of [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I that case, I am more confident that "he" is a "human servant" with the > cats having the upper hand. Get a life, CP. > I am a proud human servent to three cats. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> I that case, I am more confident that "he" is a "human servant" >> with the cats having the upper hand. I have a life thank you. Maybe it is you who need to get one. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > Get a life, CP. >Has anyone here owned a good Bengal or ... even a Bengal mix? I've met some >Bengals at Jean Mills cattery in Covina (CA) and was taken by the handsome [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Thanks. We bought a bengal for the express reason that the breed's reported temperament matched that of our mutt-cat that lost his playmate. He was neutered very early (as is the custom of many modern breeders), yet loves making love to our blankets at night. The reason we bought him has been vindicated - he's extremely active, and has turned out to be a perfect playmate for our existing cat. They often sleep together, and groom each other often. He hasn't taken to playing in water as is often reported for Bengals. Nonetheless, he definitely gives off more of a wild-cat vibe than a domestic cat one. One of his strongest traits is the need to be up high. He has an amazing ability to climb to the top of the tallest structure in the room - whether it's the refrigerator, a buffet, or a windowsill. When leaping up the refrigerator he seems like a spider. These are definitely the dalmations of cat breeds. Louis is extremely active, and even though our resident cat gives him lots of activity, this cat has ten years on him.. so needs to sleep. When Tiger's asleep, Louis is right with us needing us to toss his ball or mouse. Bengals are great cats, but expect to spend a lot of time with them. BLink >> Has anyone here owned a good Bengal or ... even a Bengal mix? I've >> met some Bengals at Jean Mills cattery in Covina (CA) and was taken [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > BLink Hmmm. There are times when the cat would have to be left to his/her own amusement for 24 hrs, maybe longer. Not often but still ... Rusty was okay for 3 days alone in the house but when we return, there was an aloofness for awhile and that look of "YOU left me ALONE ... you turds!" But this only happens once a year. > Hmmm. There are times when the cat would have to be left to his/her own > amusement for 24 hrs, maybe longer. Not often but still ... Rusty was > okay for 3 days alone in the house but when we return, there was an > aloofness for awhile and that look of "YOU left me ALONE ... you turds!" > But this only happens once a year. Honestly, Phillip, all of the qualities you are looking for can be found in a shelter Moggie. If you are not interested in adopting an older cat, look at the kittens. You can develop a bond from the beginning, and it will be a very special relationship throughout your lives. No cat will ever replace the one you lost, but they each have their own special qualities that you will grow to love. -L. >> Hmmm. There are times when the cat would have to be left to his/her >> own amusement for 24 hrs, maybe longer. Not often but still ... [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > -L. Thank you -L. The wife and I are aware of this reality. A kitten is preferred for the reasons of bonding. Yes, I've gone thru the bonding exercises via hand feeding for the first few weeks and all that. So there is latitude here for temperament. Something between a lap cat and one that hooks into the accoustic ceiling when startled. LOL Phillip[, I will soon be owned by two purebred Bengal kittens; I got my first one about a month ago and I go to pick up his half-brother next week. I am already owned by a moggy, a 12 year old spayed female that was my daughter's cat. I am also owned by 5 feral cats who depend on me to feed them. Guess that means they are no longer truely feral, since they no longer have to hunt and kill their own food, or find dry, warm shelter, or fight to keep their territory. They are all males and have been neutered, so they don't even care about finding mates or having to fight with other Toms. These fellows actually have it pretty good. So, in actruality, I have 8 cats and only two are purebreds. Is one better than the other? No way, just different, they are all felines, and each one is distinctive. All the nay sayers who try to convince me to feel guilty for purchasing purebreds from a breeder instead of geting shelter cats can save their breath. I don't buy into guilt trips. I suggest you don't either. Hemma > >> Hmmm. There are times when the cat would have to be left to his/her > >> own amusement for 24 hrs, maybe longer. Not often but still ... [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Thank you -L. The wife and I are aware of this reality. A kitten is > preferred for the reasons of bonding. Yes, I've gone thru the bonding > exercises via hand feeding for the first few weeks and all that. So there > is latitude here for temperament. Something between a lap cat and one that > hooks into the accoustic ceiling when startled. LOL But then, in my humble and somewhat expert opinion(*1), the kitten-bonding thing is sort of crapola. The bonding would be solely on *your* part, not the kittens. Older cats seem to bond just as well. I've had several older cats that were just as devoted to me specifically that I acquired as older cats with unknown history. And I've raised kittens who grew up to be very aloof cats. I think the temperament of a cat, if not present at birth, is largely set by 12 weeks.(*2) I love all my cats, but my idea of the ideal cat, like yours, is something between a curtain-climber and a frantically-needy lap cat. Out of five, I have one that fits that description! Sherry *1) Expert simply meaning I've taken in a crapload of adult stray cats in the last 35 years *2) Personal theory based on personal experience and anecdotal evidence. sridd...@aol.com wrote: > But then, in my humble and somewhat expert opinion(*1), the > kitten-bonding thing is sort of crapola. The bonding would be solely on [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > *2) Personal theory based on personal experience and anecdotal > evidence. I agree 100% for people like you and I who are seasoned "cat people", but for someone like the OP who essentially wants a "replacement cat" (for lack of better phrasing - and I don't mean that in a negative way) and isn't interested in the potential "baggage"* of a second-hand adult, I think to adopt an adult might be disasterous. Such people often feel an easier bond with a kitten. It's gotta be a good fit on both sides, and adult cat adoptions aren't for everyone. -L. *"baggage" here, again, being relative. I have found most "baggage" to be labels put on by the previous owners, and when the cat is rehomed, none or few of the same behaviors are exhibited. > I agree 100% for people like you and I who are seasoned "cat people", > but for someone like the OP who essentially wants a "replacement cat" [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > be labels put on by the previous owners, and when the cat is rehomed, > none or few of the same behaviors are exhibited. Point taken. Also, with adult cats, personalities vary *widely*. You've got your leg-rubbers (bad choice for the elderly), the ones that hide under the bed the first entire week, the "don't touch me's", and the frantically needy lap cats that are constantly in your face wanting attention. The curtain-climbing, super-active cats, and the ultra-timid ones that flee at the sight of a broom or a doorbell. Unless shelter personnel are *very* in-tune with each particular cat, it's a crap shoot what you get. Fortunately, most shelters can analyze each cat's personality for the adoptor. But, then, with kittens, I still think the basic personality traits are already in motion by 12 weeks. If a kitten is timid, it's usually going to still be timid as an adult. If it's a lovey-dovey one that sucks on your earlobes at the shelter, it's going to be that way as it grows up. It's the personality traits that are a result of abuse, or improper handling, I think that will disappear with the right owner. Sherry > sridd...@aol.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > to be labels put on by the previous owners, and when the cat is > rehomed, none or few of the same behaviors are exhibited. -L: You have picked up on one important point. There is "personality" and then there is "baggage". The few strays I took in years ago had "baggage" that took a fair amount of work to correct. I'm a lot older now and my wife would not be so tolerant of a misbehaving indoor only kittie as I would be were I living alone again (perish the thought). This time around, it does have to be a "good fit" which is what drives the preference for a kitten. > -L: You have picked up on one important point. There is "personality" and > then there is "baggage". The few strays I took in years ago had "baggage" > that took a fair amount of work to correct. I'm a lot older now and my wife > would not be so tolerant of a misbehaving indoor only kittie as I would be > were I living alone again (perish the thought). This time around, it does > have to be a "good fit" which is what drives the preference for a kitten. I hope you find the "right fir" for you. My only advice, again, is this: Don't discount the loveliness of the moggy. There are literally dozens of purebred-wannabes in shelters, and IMO, there is nothing more noble than saving the life of a cat - be it a kitten or otherwise. :) -L. >> -L: You have picked up on one important point. There is >> "personality" and then there is "baggage". The few strays I took in [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > -L. Thank you. I have toured two animal shelters this past week. Very taxing. However, saving an animal from certain death is a ways down the list from saving a child. > Thank you. I have toured two animal shelters this past week. Very > taxing. However, saving an animal from certain death is a ways down the > list from saving a child. What does saving a child have to do with anything? Signature-Kelly > > Thank you. I have toured two animal shelters this past week. Very > > taxing. However, saving an animal from certain death is a ways down the > > list from saving a child. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > -- > -Kelly Somebody equated getting a cat with birthing a baby elsewhere in the thread. I think that's what he was referencing. -L. > > > Thank you. I have toured two animal shelters this past week. Very > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Somebody equated getting a cat with birthing a baby elsewhere in the > thread. I think that's what he was referencing. Wrong your freaking idiot - he posted this before I posted that! Sheesh, get your head out of your a.s! >>> Thank you. I have toured two animal shelters this past week. Very > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > -L. -L is runnin' with the Big Cats. LOL >> Thank you. I have toured two animal shelters this past week. Very >> taxing. However, saving an animal from certain death is a ways down >> the list from saving a child. > > What does saving a child have to do with anything? Kelly ... do keep up. :-) |
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