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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / May 2005what material for climbing?
There has to be some material cats can use for indoor climbing besides carpet or Sissel rope. Maybe something that also can be attached to a 2 x 4. Maybe some sort of plastic grating (yes, of course it will have to be safe). Next time I go to the hardware store, I plan to spend a lot of time looking around. If I were able to design it myself, maybe it would be plastic grating with 1/8" holes deep enough so that claws would not hook into it. Besides cost, the objective is to provide something which will last and won't disintegrate. Any ideas for something besides carpet or Sissel rope for cats to use for climbing? I suppose someday there will be a material like sponge rubber which claws can dig into but not penetrate. I wrote: > ... I suppose someday there will be a material like sponge > rubber which claws can dig into but not penetrate. My old female used to climb an eight-foot carpeted 2 x 4 in two leaps. I can just imagine a cat hitting a sponge rubber coated 2 x 4. BOING And I bet you they would take advantage of the springiness. I saved a 15 feet high trunk of leylandii (Leyland Cypress tree), lopped all the branches off, but left one to three inches of each to act as steps, stuck the lower end into a flat piece of timber with a hole in it, and attached the top end to the conservatory ceiling. Between the lopped branches there are segments of trunk which are wrapped in sisal, so the cats have 15 feet of pure vertical adventure on 1. sections of sisal rope 2. step-like branches 3. sections of bare bark. It's a bit of an obstacle course. I stand on a chair and hold biscuits at the very top and they scoot up to get them . . . that's if they're not already exhausted by some other activity! Nell. > There has to be some material cats can use for indoor climbing > besides carpet or Sissel rope. Maybe something that also can be [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > material like sponge rubber which claws can dig into but not > penetrate. Sisal rope is cheap and provides a good gripping surface. Better the material disintegrate and provide some "give" rather than another surface that is more durable yet harder on your cat... not only that but a cat may not like the more durable material. Old car tires come to mind, but that doesn't make a very good looking climbing post for inside your home. Other ideas: old fire hose, old rubber garden hoses (real rubber) Use the back-side of carpeting, not the soft front. Some carpet with wide weave is excellent for them to get their claws into for climbing. I used the carpet pieces (samples) that you can buy anywhere from $1.99 to $3.00. I've also wrapped a two-by-four and four-by-four with thick sisal. Terrific for kittens, because you can just lay it on the floor for them to rip into. Stand it up as they grow! -- pj In article <kfqdnaZjEt4kaPnfRVn-ug@magma.ca>, Joe Canuck <Joe.Canuck@-remove-gmail.com> wrote: John Doe wrote: > There has to be some material cats can use for indoor climbing > besides carpet or Sissel rope. Maybe something that also can be [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > material like sponge rubber which claws can dig into but not > penetrate. Sisal rope is cheap and provides a good gripping surface. Better the material disintegrate and provide some "give" rather than another surface that is more durable yet harder on your cat... not only that but a cat may not like the more durable material. Old car tires come to mind, but that doesn't make a very good looking climbing post for inside your home. Other ideas: old fire hose, old rubber garden hoses (real rubber) > Old car tires come to mind, but that doesn't make a very good looking > climbing post for inside your home. > > Other ideas: old fire hose, old rubber garden hoses (real rubber) More ideas: * Wood (lumber already cut and cleaned) * Plyboard / cardboard * Tree stumps (fresh, with bark still on) * Carpeting turned inside out * Tent fabric (very sturdy outdoor) * Screening (like for screen doors) * Rubber mats * Old upholstery (people put old crap by the side of the road for pickup all the time...or visit flea markets, garage sales, and the like.) None of these are very attractive, but if you have a basement...  Signature-- ~kaeli~ A chicken crossing the road is poultry in motion. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace > > Old car tires come to mind, but that doesn't make a very good looking > > climbing post for inside your home. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > None of these are very attractive, but if you have a basement... > ~kaeli~ How about cedar? I've heard that cats like scratching it; maybe they would like climbing a cedar board. I have see boards scratched down to almost nothing so wood isn't that much more permanent than rope or carpet. Besides, wrapping a hundred or two feet of 1/4" rope around a post is kind of relaxing. ron > <kfqdnaZjEt4kaPnfRVn-ug@magma.ca>, Joe.Canuck@-remove-gmail.com >> Old car tires come to mind, but that doesn't make a very good >> looking climbing post for inside your home. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > * Carpeting turned inside out > * Tent fabric (very sturdy outdoor) I picked up some heavy duty canvas dropcloth at the hardware store. Covered one 2x4. The surface is hard and they aren't thrilled about scratching it yet, but they walk up it with no problem and it should keep the splinters away. Will see in a month whether it lasts. > * Screening (like for screen doors) > * Rubber mats Or rugged vinyl like for truck bed covering, saw one yesterday. Or other rugged rubber/vinyl maybe in conbination. Maybe something used with exercising equipment. That to be hotmelt glued/whatever onto wood or other structure. The idea being to allow their claws to grip but not necessarily puncture, and for it to take a lot of punishment over time, without debris falling off of it. > * Old upholstery (people put old crap by the side of the road > for pickup all the time...or visit flea markets, garage sales, > and the like.) > > None of these are very attractive, but if you have a basement... > There has to be some material cats can use for indoor climbing > besides carpet or Sissel rope. Maybe something that also can be [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > material like sponge rubber which claws can dig into but not > penetrate. I got an Ultimate Scratching Post for Oscar, and it has a sisal weave instead of just rope. If you could get your hands on this weave, I think you could make a wall out of it and let climber-cats go to town. Oscar's never been a climber, but I've seen her on this scratching post with all four paws on the post. I really like the material. Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca (...) > Oscar's never been a climber, That's because he's never had a personal bouldering wall. Material for climbing? https://www.epusa.com/handholds/, of course! S. > Monique Y. Mudama wrote: (...) >> >> Oscar's never been a climber, > > That's because he's never had a personal bouldering wall. She =P > Material for climbing? https://www.epusa.com/handholds/, of course! But the question is, can she put up with chalk on her paws? Signaturemonique, who spoils Oscar unmercifully pictures: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/rpca (...) > She =P Never heard of a female Oscar! > But the question is, can she put up with chalk on her paws? Yah, the problem with cats is: they'll latch a gnarly sloper, but then they immediately start grooming and so peel off. S. Hmmm. I've just always found carpet best. When I was little my dad came home with a HUGE stack of carpet samples and Liquid nailed them to one wall of my bedroom. For "insulation" he *said*. Yeah, right. Our cats enjoyed it for years. > There has to be some material cats can use for indoor climbing > besides carpet or Sissel rope. Maybe something that also can be [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > material like sponge rubber which claws can dig into but not > penetrate. Sounds like a grease mat, like you might find ina commercial kitchen try your local restaurant supply vendor? youi could cut it iup and put it to the 2 x 4's try the door mat section at walmart...cuttem up if your usin 2 x 4's, you could put a little pitch on them or at stategic places to give a ledge > Sounds like a grease mat, like you might find ina commercial > kitchen try your local restaurant supply vendor? > youi could cut it iup and put it to the 2 x 4's > try the door mat section at walmart...cuttem up > if your usin 2 x 4's, you could put a little pitch on them or at > stategic places to give a ledge Thanks for all the replies/ideas. > There has to be some material cats can use for indoor climbing > besides carpet or Sissel rope. Burlap. Cats *love* burlap - they get a great pull from it. I bought a role from a farm supply house to wrap the support columns in my basement. My cats dug right into the role and began climbing it before I had a chance to unroll it. You can make a floor-to-ceiling climbing pole by wrapping a 6", 8", or 10" dia.x 8' long PVC pipe with burlap and plant it in large round decorative lawn planter filled with concrete- won't tip or budge and it will last forever. You can always just re-wrap the pole. The higher you make the pole, the wider the pipe should be. If you want to make it absolutely wobble and tip proof, fill the pipe with concrete or gravel. Tape the inside length of burlap to the pipe with gaffer's tape and wrap the pole tightly with several layers of burlap. Wrap the length of the end of the burlap around a 1" molding and screw into or bolt it through the PVC with 1/8 or 1/4" carriage bolts with wide washers-- I don't like using staples or adhesives on stuff my cats play on. You can stagger shelves up the pole buy bolting decorative shelf brackets to the PVC and screwing burlap-covered wood shelves to the brackets. You can also make a high-level walkway with two poles and a 6' center PVC pipe. Connect the center pipe at the tops of the poles with either PVC "T" connectors or "elbows". Wrap the center span the same way as the poles. The whole thing shouldn't cost you more than $100 unless you really splurge on the planter bases and shelf brackets - I've seen some nice brass brackets. Phil > Tape the inside length of burlap to the pipe with gaffer's tape > and wrap the pole [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > washers-- I don't like using staples or adhesives on stuff my > cats play on. I wonder if that could be done this way. ... drill a lot of small holes in the PVC tubing ... fix small nails/dowels/pegs into those holes ... press the tarp/burlap/whatever material onto the holes ... wrap it once and then press the material into the holes again If the process of drilling the holes and inserting the pegs could be methodized, it might provide for an easy way to replace the material. Sort of like carpet tack-strip, except with dull pegs. I am not sure how the material could be wrapped more than once before reinserting it through the pegs. A somewhat stretchy, thick fabric might be best. Went to Lowe's today. The 10 ounce canvas dropcloth looks pretty good, maybe hotmelt glued to a 2 x 4 or 4 inch PVC. . > I wonder if that could be done this way. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > reinserting it through the pegs. A somewhat stretchy, thick fabric > might be best. oh my lord ... > oh my lord no... "our Lord" You go all the way back to at least September 1993, and your name is not Barry. > ... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > You go all the way back to at least September 1993, and your name > is not Barry. Do tell, Net Dick. :) >> ... >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Do tell, Net Dick. :) It was difficult coming up with a lead. Took a long shot. Many years between posts. Header information will mail it down. Good luck. >>> ... >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >It was difficult coming up with a lead. 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Tough guy wanna-be, X-No-Archive troll. > Path: newssvr17.news.prodigy.com!newscon07.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01a.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news4 > From: equalizer <> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > No, just dick. > Tough guy wanna-be, X-No-Archive troll. > > > Path: newssvr17.news.prodigy.com!newscon07.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01a.news.prodig y.com!prodigy.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!logbridge.uoregon.e du!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news4 > > From: equalizer <> > > Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Message-ID: <uenj719ghrrl6a2k4umdaallhaq44i7kk1 4ax.com> > > References: <Xns963D2C3B57D8Fwisdomfolly@207.115.63.158> <dYOdnQH_2JuLkPvfRVn-vQ@giganews.com> <Xns964B2BE14A427wisdomfolly@207.115.63.158> <1115265891.289781.314900@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <Xns964D5B163472wisdomfolly@207.115.63.158> <4279bc01$1_2@newsgate.x-privat.org> > > NNTP-Posting-Host: p-554.newsdawg.com > > Mime-Version: 1.0 [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > > > No, just dick. Now, Eq, I just know you saw this coming. :) > Now, Eq, I just know you saw this coming. :) An X-No-Archive author expecting to have his (or her) post and header archived? > Reply-To: "Mary" <marys@catlover.com> > From: "Mary" <marys catlover.com> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Path: newssvr17.news.prodigy.com!newsdbm02.news.prodigy.com!newsdst01.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01a.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!newshosting.com!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!81.72.107.119.MISMATCH!news.x-privat.net!newsgate.x-privat.org!not-for-mail > Xref: newsmst01a.news.prodigy.com rec.pets.cats.health+behav:365372 >Tough guy wanna-be, X-No-Archive troll. _ _ ____ _ _ | | ___ | |__ _ __ | _ \ ___ ___ | |_| |__ ___ _ | |/ _ \| '_ \| '_ \ | | | |/ _ \ / _ \ | __| '_ \ / _ \ | |_| | (_) | | | | | | | | |_| | (_) | __/_ | |_| | | | __/ \___/ \___/|_| |_|_| |_| |____/ \___/ \___( ) \__|_| |_|\___| |/ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ __ __ _ _ __ | | _____ __| | | (_) |_| |_| | ___ / __| '_ \ / _` | '_ \| |/ / _ \/ _` | | | | __| __| |/ _ \ \__ \ |_) | (_| | | | | < __/ (_| | | | | |_| |_| | __/_ |___/ .__/ \__,_|_| |_|_|\_\___|\__,_| |_|_|\__|\__|_|\___( ) |_| |/ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ (_)_ _____ _ __ __ _| | |_ _ | | | | '_ \| \ \ / / _ \ '__/ _` | | | | | | | |_| | | | | |\ V / __/ | | (_| | | | |_| | \__,_|_| |_|_| \_/ \___|_| \__,_|_|_|\__, | |___/ _ _ _ _ | | __ _ _ _ __ _| |__ ___ __| | __ _| |_ | |/ _` | | | |/ _` | '_ \ / _ \/ _` | / _` | __| | | (_| | |_| | (_| | | | | __/ (_| | | (_| | |_ |_|\__,_|\__,_|\__, |_| |_|\___|\__,_| \__,_|\__| |___/ __ _ _ _ _ / _|_ _ ___| | ____ _(_) |_| | | |_| | | |/ __| |/ /\ \ /\ / / | __| | | _| |_| | (__| < \ V V /| | |_|_| |_| \__,_|\___|_|\_\ \_/\_/ |_|\__(_) >> Path: newssvr17.news.prodigy.com!newscon07.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01a.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news4 >> From: equalizer <> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> >> No, just dick. > ... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > You go all the way back to at least September 1993, and your name > is not Barry. when boy when >> ... >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > when boy when When what? > Path: newssvr17.news.prodigy.com!newscon07.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01a.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail > From: "bigbadbarry" <bigbadbarry adelphia.net> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Injection-Info: g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=69.170.50.72; posting-account=spjB1A0AAABQAQQ5dkg3_gZwONU3us3k > Xref: newsmst01a.news.prodigy.com rec.pets.cats.health+behav:365373 >> ... >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >when boy when Don't hold 'yer breath, Barry. Just sit pack and laugh at the little poo pile like the rest of us. eq > You go all the way back to at least September 1993, and your name > is not Barry. read a little about me, http://lonnie.dynip.com/iabout.html (slightly slow loading) now Mr Doe if this is not conclusive ---------------- say... have you seen the new and imrproved barryparrish.com - samples for every connection under the sun :) I goofed. Moderated discussion groups like apparently (soc.religion.christian) necessarily contain coincidental header information. I didn't take that into consideration. Exit, stage left. > I goofed. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Exit, stage left. Well, we all make mistakes. >I goofed. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Exit, stage left. What a goddamn moron!!!! LOL!!!!!! eq > >I goofed. > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > LOL!!!!!! I think I totally didn't get what was going on here, but, for the record, I like Barry and especially Ruprecht. Of course, Ruprecht has been replaced by a lookalike Ruprecht who pretends to be cuddly so Barry won't notice and will get all affectionate-like, but still I like Ruprecht the original. Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/ >> >I goofed. >> > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >won't notice and will get all affectionate-like, but still I like >Ruprecht the original. What happened was that John Doe's mommy took thalidomide while carrying him. As a result, he suffered brain damage, which in it's latest form, manifested itself here in this thread. Johnny thought he had Barry fingered as some theoretical other poster as evidenced by Barry's headers, and tried to "out" Barry in some fashion here on this public forum, witnessed by hundreds, if not thousands of pairs of eyes. Then, almost as quick, the dolt realized he made a mistake and quietly went into under the rug sweeping mone. Really quite hilarious. eq > What happened was that John Doe's mommy took thalidomide while > carrying him. As a result, he suffered brain damage, which in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > dolt realized he made a mistake and quietly went into under the > rug sweeping mone. Really quite hilarious. Sorry Eq, I can't resist. But sorta like you did with the Crane/Gaubster conspiracy. We know now that what you think you outed wasn't exactly like you thought. Hmm.. Though I gotta give you props for noticing the headers and Gaubs can't go on and on how he isn't affiliated with Hills. SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields >> What happened was that John Doe's mommy took thalidomide while >> carrying him. As a result, he suffered brain damage, which in [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Though I gotta give you props for noticing the headers and Gaubs >can't go on and on how he isn't affiliated with Hills. True, but, I got him to admit in public that he worked for Hill's. You've done enough research into hacker culture to know that social engineering is a big part of the grand picture. Coding was never my big game, at least the high level stuff. To me, "hacking" is looking at the computer/net as a prosthesis of the psyche, and to reach my hand through the ether to wrap my fingers firmly around the mind at the other end..... eq > True, but, I got him to admit in public that he worked for > Hill's. Yes you did!! LOL You've done enough research into hacker culture to know > that social engineering is a big part of the grand picture. > Coding was never my big game, at least the high level stuff. To > me, "hacking" is looking at the computer/net as a prosthesis of > the psyche, and to reach my hand through the ether to wrap my > fingers firmly around the mind at the other end..... But I have to go on record that I AM NOT A HACKER and I have only done any hacking in a lab or war game environment. Yes, SE is very powerful. You don't have to know how to hack to SE. You are a master of SE. lol SignatureCheryl "The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited breath." - W.C. Fields > > True, but, I got him to admit in public that he worked for > > Hill's. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > But I have to go on record that I AM NOT A HACKER ahahahaha! > I think I totally didn't get what was going on here, but, for the > record, I like Barry and especially Ruprecht. Of course, Ruprecht has > been replaced by a lookalike Ruprecht who pretends to be cuddly so Barry > won't notice and will get all affectionate-like, but still I like > Ruprecht the original. I am just who I was and am be who I be. > > I think I totally didn't get what was going on here, but, for the > > record, I like Barry and especially Ruprecht. Of course, Ruprecht has [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I am just who I was and am be who I be. Okay, Descartes. ;) Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/ >> I think I totally didn't get what was going on here, but, for the >> record, I like Barry and especially Ruprecht. Of course, Ruprecht has [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >I am just who I was and am be who I be. That's got a nice beat to it.... eq > > I think I totally didn't get what was going on here, but, for the > > record, I like Barry and especially Ruprecht. Of course, Ruprecht has [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I am just who I was and am be who I be. Me too. =) > > You go all the way back to at least September 1993, and your name > > is not Barry. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > :) I'm thinking maybe "John Doe" missed it when you plastered those pictures of your actual face up here. :) Never Anonymous Barry! > I'm thinking maybe "John Doe" missed it when you plastered > those pictures of your actual face up here. :) Never Anonymous > Barry! Oh. But my moms called me and says...what in the world son! you're trying to sell albums..and what's with the hands? I get no breaks! Im goin put on some jeans and t-shirt and go down by the river here in Lynchburg, maybe I can get a decent pic. > I'm thinking maybe "John Doe" missed it when you plastered > those pictures of your actual face up here. :) Never Anonymous > Barry! I mean, i can go underground if it would be more politically correct or something. Plastered uh? lol I for one, would not mind seeing Ms Mary, I realize chasing rabbits is not cool so I will stop, but, yeah, Im just curios thats all. but if I was young lady, and attractive like you ladies, I don't think I would be so open see; but me personally Im not concerned about bad men, I AM a bad man, you see my handle on here? that's right. >your a little too bad aintcha? > > I'm thinking maybe "John Doe" missed it when you plastered > > those pictures of your actual face up here. :) Never Anonymous > > Barry! > > I mean, i can go underground if it would be more politically correct or > something. Plastered uh? lol I thought it was cool. I love fearless people. > I for one, would not mind seeing Ms Mary, I realize chasing rabbits is > not cool so I will stop, but, yeah, Im just curios thats all. I'd send you a photo but then I'd have to kill you. My fan club would offer big bucks for a shot of me, heh heh. > but if I was young lady, and attractive like you ladies, I don't think > I would be so open see; but me personally Im not concerned about bad > men, I AM a bad man, you see my handle on here? that's right. You crack me up! > >your a little too bad aintcha? Oh, yeah, I'm bad. :) > You can make a floor-to-ceiling climbing pole by wrapping a 6", 8", or 10" > dia.x 8' long PVC pipe with burlap and plant it in large round decorative > lawn planter filled with concrete- won't tip or budge and it will last > forever. You can always just re-wrap the pole. > Phil Great idea, sounds like it would look good too. If someone were to do this, they could tie into a ceiling joist or not. I've sat and thought of neat things I would do if I had the time, like make an over the door continous track (shelf) all around the house; it could be made to look nice. Some resta-ront I went to had a train track setup like this. "bigbadbarry" <bigbadbarry@adelphia.net> wrote: > I've sat and thought of neat things I would do if I had the > time, So write about them, maybe someone else has the time. > like make an over the door continous track (shelf) all around > the house; it could be made to look nice. Some resta-ront I went > to had a train track setup like this. That sounds OK for a perch, or maybe for multiple cats. Multiple cats might chase each other. But it's a lot of work. > That sounds OK for a perch, or maybe for multiple cats. Multiple > cats might chase each other. But it's a lot of work. I hear ya, definetely, the stretcher would be a breeze, just using solid wood shelving material, it's the corners and bridges that would require alot of custom work. Far as chasing, maybe line the topside with rubber matting. Im not going to build this, but if I built a new house, I would do it. If I had vaulted ceilings, I send them right up there. Stairs and ramps and bridges. |
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