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bigbadbarry - 19 Apr 2005 06:34 GMT
I worked with a lady, she stood there and told me
she had no less than 70 (seventy and no dollars) CATS.

I start prying into this phenomenon...and
she knew thier names, thier medicines..and so on...

70 Cats
Mary - 19 Apr 2005 06:38 GMT
> I worked with a lady, she stood there and told me
> she had no less than 70 (seventy and no dollars) CATS.
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>
> 70 Cats

That's what many call "a collector." The sad thing is, what
often happens is that one day they get overwhelmed and
just lock the cats in and leave them. You see this on the news
all the time. Think about it. How can you care for 70 cats?
bigbadbarry - 19 Apr 2005 06:52 GMT
Yeah, I thought about some kind of intervention...

Never heard of a cat collector; I figured this lady was the only one.

She needed an adoption drive or something.

She had a privicy fence; and said...about 1/2 stayed outside
1/2 stayed inside...just a constant hum of coming and going.

Originally she had 2 or 3 then the cats started multi-level marketing
scam on her.
Mary - 19 Apr 2005 08:03 GMT
> Yeah, I thought about some kind of intervention...
>
> Never heard of a cat collector; I figured this lady was the only one.

No, they are everywhere. It is kind of sad because they mean well
but wind up doing harm.

> She needed an adoption drive or something.
>
> She had a privicy fence; and said...about 1/2 stayed outside
> 1/2 stayed inside...just a constant hum of coming and going.

That doesn't sound too bad.

> Originally she had 2 or 3 then the cats started multi-level marketing
> scam on her.

:) That's why the first thing to do is spay and neuter the kitties!
Nips that kind of scam in the bud.
Ron Herfurth - 20 Apr 2005 13:22 GMT
> I worked with a lady, she stood there and told me
> she had no less than 70 (seventy and no dollars) CATS.
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>
> 70 Cats

Did she "collect" and speuter all 70 or did she just bring home a few and
let them multiply?
Are they all current on shots and does a vet see each and every one of them
every year?
Is she rich or going broke feeding them?

I have 19 right now and figure if I ever get to 24 that's 2 vet visits a
month - that would be the absolute total maximum I could possible handle.
ron
Mary - 20 Apr 2005 18:47 GMT
> > I worked with a lady, she stood there and told me
> > she had no less than 70 (seventy and no dollars) CATS.
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> month - that would be the absolute total maximum I could possible handle.
> ron

Ron, how do you handle 24 cats?
Ron Herfurth - 21 Apr 2005 18:58 GMT
> > > I worked with a lady, she stood there and told me
> > > she had no less than 70 (seventy and no dollars) CATS.
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>
> Ron, how do you handle 24 cats?

Actually it's only 19 right now. Assembly line meals (10 individual dishes
and one community dish ) twice a day. Paper plates saves washing. Luckily
the ones that have been sick lately will eat a pill that's been squshed into
their slice of canned food. 4 scheduled cleanings of all 11 litter pans each
day and anytime one of them smells I go ahead and check all 11. Lots of cat
beds along with the sofa and chairs.  ( $ 10 and $15 dollar cat beds were
one of my better investments ) Several scratching posts. Toys don't get a
lot of attention though. I've got a budget for each month that includes an
annual vet visit for everyone.  That's why I said 24 would be the max since
I couldn't afford 3 vet visits in any one month.
What I couldn't handle would have been not rescuing them. For the strays at
work, once I trapped and spayed them it was easier to feed them at home than
feed them at work.

ron
Mary - 21 Apr 2005 19:54 GMT
> > Ron, how do you handle 24 cats?
>
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> annual vet visit for everyone.  That's why I said 24 would be the max since
> I couldn't afford 3 vet visits in any one month.

This sounds like a full-time job, and what a huge expense. Do they need
some toys? Do you feel they have enough to occupy them? I am wondering
how big your place is. So they have scratching things? You have a little
mini-
shelter going there! I bet some people might be interested in sending along
a few kitty gifts if you think they need some stimulation.

> What I couldn't handle would have been not rescuing them. For the strays at
> work, once I trapped and spayed them it was easier to feed them at home than
> feed them at work.

What a good soul you are. Have you already posted photos, or
do you have a web site?
bigbadbarry - 22 Apr 2005 05:36 GMT
Think of all the money she saves on her heating bill...

I can see her in the bed...cats everywhere...all ganged up...

If she gets cold..just tuck in another cat.

and what about hairballs...maybe she could send them to Martha
Stewart...make a sweater or something.

yaaak
Mary - 22 Apr 2005 18:24 GMT
> Think of all the money she saves on her heating bill...
>
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>
> yaaak

lol
dgk - 21 Apr 2005 19:58 GMT
>Actually it's only 19 right now. Assembly line meals (10 individual dishes
>and one community dish ) twice a day. Paper plates saves washing. Luckily
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>
>ron

But sometimes they have to go for an off-schedule visit, no? I thought
three was one too many for me. Jackie just died and I'm not thinking
of getting another. They each require a certain amount of attention
and three was really pushing it. I mean, Nipsy comes up and meows and
wants to be picked up and petted, Espy wants his treats but doesn't
want to be picked up. Well, I'm sure you have it worked out.
Ron Herfurth - 21 Apr 2005 20:22 GMT
> >Actually it's only 19 right now. Assembly line meals (10 individual dishes
> >and one community dish ) twice a day. Paper plates saves washing. Luckily
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> wants to be picked up and petted, Espy wants his treats but doesn't
> want to be picked up. Well, I'm sure you have it worked out.

That's the problem, with that many I sometimes don't notice who's missed a
few meals for several days; then it could be a rush visit to the emergency
vet.  It's also hard to determine exactly which one is not using the litter
pan. I've got 3 (or is it 4 ) sick ones right now so there's off-scheduled
vet visits but that's what credit cards are for, right? About half are feral
rescues that don't want a lot of attention, just a warm dry place to sleep.
I have things for the rest to climb on.
ron
zuzu22@webtv.net - 22 Apr 2005 00:52 GMT
Ron wrote:

>That's the problem, with that many I
>sometimes don't notice who's missed a
>few meals for several days; then it could
>be a rush visit to the emergency vet.

This is not good. Are you feeding scheduled meals? If not you should
seriously consider doing so and stop free feeding. I have 25 cats and
feed my cats on a 12 hour schedule. They each have their own place to
eat and their own dish, (I have two sets so there is always a clean set
in the drainer when meal time arrives) and I always know immediately if
someone is sick.

This just recently happened with Princess, who has never been sick in
her almost 8 years but missed a meal for the first time ever. I was
aware of it right away, took her temp (which was normal) checked her all
over and gave her some sub-q fluids then watched her closely through the
night. She was fine the next morning, but I had already arranged things
so that if she wasn't we would go straight to the vet first thing.
It's just too risky to have days go by before figuring out a cat is not
eating, but you could avoid this by meal-feeding. Another benefit to
this is that it is very easy to determine how much food you need each
day to keep your cats at a healthy weight, and you can budget
accordingly. I have a standing order for cases of Wellness canned food
at the local pet store every couple of weeks and I get cases of Innova
canned from a distributor once a month. I aways know exactly what I need
and how much I spend and it really helps.

Megan

                                   
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Daniel Augustus - 21 Apr 2005 22:21 GMT
I thought this was very interesting.....

from:
http://www.bestfriends.org/members/faithfully/hoarding.htm

June 4, 2000
Sanctuary News

When Helping Becomes Hoarding

When does the desire to help animals spill over into a serious
psychiatric condition?

By Faith Maloney --Director of the sanctuary

Doris had been dead for about two days before they found her. As the
paramedics opened the door, the powerful stench of cat droppings hit
them like a wall. Panicked cats were flying everywhere throughout the
house; piles of cat waste and old empty food containers lay all around
the floors. After the paramedics removed Doris' body they called the
animal control officer, who then called me to come and help remove the
cats.
  I had seen stories about people like Doris on the news, but this was
the first time I was to see the full effects of a mental condition
known as Animal Hoarding.

The house was filthy, the smell overpowering. The cats were frightened
and hostile. There was no food in evidence, and the only water was
coming from a leaky kitchen faucet. My team and I set about with nets
and carriers to catch the cats and get them the help they needed. There
were several litters of tiny kittens in various corners of the main
living room. It was easy to pick those up, but knowing who their mamas
were wasn't. As we caught each cat, we checked to see if any were
nursing so we could try to match the kittens with their respective
mothers later on.

  By the time we finished the job, we had removed 56 cats and kittens
from the house. Fortunately most of them went on to find new homes. The
feral ones continue to live at Best Friends.

What is an animal hoarder?

  I never knew Doris, so I don't know how she started collecting
cats. Experts tell us that animal hoarding is a mental health disorder
related to obsessive-compulsive disorder.
  Most hoarders are middle-aged or older women living alone. Often the
animal of choice is the cat - it's easier to keep cats indoors, out
of the prying eyes of neighbors. Usually by the time others are alerted
to a bad situation, there can be hundreds of cats crammed into a house
or trailer.

Some animal hoarders start with the best of intentions. But gradually
the animals lose their identities, becoming objects to be collected
just as some eccentric people collect old magazines or tin foil or
balls of string. Removing the animals is not enough; unless the
perpetrators receive professional help, they often just move to a new
location and start up all over again.

  Not everyone who ends up with too many animals is a hoarder. There
is a big difference between a rescuer whose situation is getting out of
control and an animal hoarder who is mentally ill and using animals to
feed her compulsion. I have met numerous caring animal lovers who have
rescued more animals than they can cope with at home and who have found
themselves in trouble. They are not sick people.

Don't take on more than you can handle

  Take Karen, for example. She came across a large group of uncared
for feral cats in a busy downtown area near where she works. It was her
first major rescue operation. She and a friend trapped the cats, got
them fixed and vaccinated, returned the adults to the colony, and set
up daily feeding schedules. She kept the kittens at her home to tame
them and make them ready for adoption. An excellent plan. Karen's
husband was supportive and since they both have excellent jobs, they
could cope with the added financial burden.
  But, somewhere along the line, things started to get out of hand.
Karen brought in some adult cats who needed special care. One of them
began spraying; then others decided this was a new fun thing to do.
Karen's husband began to see the investment they had made in a
beautiful home going down the drain. Tensions were building between
them.

They both realized that something needed to be done for the sake of
their marriage as well as for the cats. They looked for solutions,
starting with a cattery for the sprayer and his friends, and began to
work with other animal groups in their area to help place some of the
cats in new homes.
  Karen was not in danger of going seriously over the edge, since she
does not have the mental illness that led Doris down that dark path.
But there is still a strong lesson to be learned for all of us about
not taking on more than we can handle.
  If you recognize yourself, a friend, or family member in any of
this, then it's time to stop and think and find some help. A slower,
steady course of care, taking on what can be handled well, will help
more in the end by preventing burnout and disasters. To really help the
animals, we need to be healthy in mind and body. As in all things in
life, balance is essential.
Cheryl - 22 Apr 2005 01:26 GMT
On Thu 21 Apr 2005 05:21:10p, Daniel Augustus wrote in
rec.pets.cats.health+behav (news:1114118470.844055.178640
@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com):

> I thought this was very interesting.....
>
> from:
> http://www.bestfriends.org/members/faithfully/hoarding.htm

It was. Very sad, too. Thanks for posting it!

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-L. - 22 Apr 2005 02:38 GMT
> On Thu 21 Apr 2005 05:21:10p, Daniel Augustus wrote in
> rec.pets.cats.health+behav (news:1114118470.844055.178640
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> breath."
> - W.C. Fields

I worked a puppy mill once and the guy was similar to a hoarder -
didn't really nderstand that what he was doing was bad.

What I don't understand is, how can these people not know their house
stinks?  My pet area gets stinky with only one dog and two cats
(admittedly, my dog is a stinky dog - it's just the way she is - she
has to be groomed monthly).  I cannot imagine having 70 cats in a
house.  But I have seen people who obviously oblivious to how much
their house reeks, even with fewer animals.  I don't get it.

-L.
KellyH - 22 Apr 2005 05:47 GMT
> What I don't understand is, how can these people not know their house
> stinks?  My pet area gets stinky with only one dog and two cats
> (admittedly, my dog is a stinky dog - it's just the way she is - she
> has to be groomed monthly).  I cannot imagine having 70 cats in a
> house.  But I have seen people who obviously oblivious to how much
> their house reeks, even with fewer animals.  I don't get it.

I really don't understand how people can have multiple unneutered male cats.
Their house must reek!  A tom will spray occasionally in the shelter if he
hasn't been neutered yet, and the smell gags me.

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-L. - 22 Apr 2005 09:48 GMT
> I really don't understand how people can have multiple unneutered male cats.
> Their house must reek!  A tom will spray occasionally in the shelter if he
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> kelly at farringtons dot net
> "Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG

That one is beyond me as well - like in a cattery.  Eeew!  One more
reason breeders are gross...

-L.
Cheryl - 23 Apr 2005 00:01 GMT
> I really don't understand how people can have multiple
> unneutered male cats. Their house must reek!  A tom will spray
> occasionally in the shelter if he hasn't been neutered yet, and
> the smell gags me.

I hear ya Kelly! I couldn't get the stink out of my pickup truck for
a long time after bringing trapped neighborhood stray toms to the
clinic for neutering. But they were still in traps when I transported
and the newspaper had been peed on. Blech. Same with my bathroom
during their recoop period.  

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bigbadbarry - 23 Apr 2005 10:47 GMT
Seriously...

My grandfathers sister

lived by herself for years with a snorkel
full of doggies...they found her in her bed (passed on)...

and "her best friends" had not eaten in a loooong time..they said;

Not soooo with cats...they will eat.

(have a backup plan?)
Mary - 23 Apr 2005 20:18 GMT
> Seriously...
>
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>
> (have a backup plan?)

eeeyuuu, Barry! ;)
Cheryl - 22 Apr 2005 23:56 GMT
> I worked a puppy mill once and the guy was similar to a hoarder
> - didn't really nderstand that what he was doing was bad.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> to how much their house reeks, even with fewer animals.  I don't
> get it.

Me neither. We had a situation here when I was volunteering for a
local rescue that was very sad. And, it was all done with the
rescue groups blessing (partly why I left that group). Until she
passed away. Then it was just awful. I won't go into detail here.

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rodrig462@yahoo.com - 25 Apr 2005 17:10 GMT
> I worked with a lady, she stood there and told me
> she had no less than 70 (seventy and no dollars) CATS.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> 70 Cats

Re-Posted w/o comment and w/o permission from NBC...

http://www.turnto10.com/news/4410847/detail.html?rss=pro&psp=news

Animal Control Removes Dozens Of Cats From Home
Owners Could Face Animal Cruelty Charges

POSTED: 5:47 pm EDT April 24, 2005
UPDATED: 6:02 pm EDT April 24, 2005

PAWTUCKET, R.I. -- Animal control officials responded to a case of cat
hoarding in Pawtucket this weekend.

Almost 40 cats were removed from a mobile home Saturday afternoon.

Two cats were found dead and some had to be euthanized. The others are
being treated at an animal hospital.

Animal control officers said the couple who live in the home have been
reported for hoarding before.

Two years ago, animal control officers removed 25 cats from the home.

The couple could face animal cruelty charges because none of the cats
were vaccinated.
 
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