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70 Cats - Oh My
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bigbadbarry - 19 Apr 2005 06:34 GMT I worked with a lady, she stood there and told me she had no less than 70 (seventy and no dollars) CATS.
I start prying into this phenomenon...and she knew thier names, thier medicines..and so on...
70 Cats
Mary - 19 Apr 2005 06:38 GMT > I worked with a lady, she stood there and told me > she had no less than 70 (seventy and no dollars) CATS. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > 70 Cats That's what many call "a collector." The sad thing is, what often happens is that one day they get overwhelmed and just lock the cats in and leave them. You see this on the news all the time. Think about it. How can you care for 70 cats?
bigbadbarry - 19 Apr 2005 06:52 GMT Yeah, I thought about some kind of intervention...
Never heard of a cat collector; I figured this lady was the only one.
She needed an adoption drive or something.
She had a privicy fence; and said...about 1/2 stayed outside 1/2 stayed inside...just a constant hum of coming and going.
Originally she had 2 or 3 then the cats started multi-level marketing scam on her.
Mary - 19 Apr 2005 08:03 GMT > Yeah, I thought about some kind of intervention... > > Never heard of a cat collector; I figured this lady was the only one. No, they are everywhere. It is kind of sad because they mean well but wind up doing harm.
> She needed an adoption drive or something. > > She had a privicy fence; and said...about 1/2 stayed outside > 1/2 stayed inside...just a constant hum of coming and going. That doesn't sound too bad.
> Originally she had 2 or 3 then the cats started multi-level marketing > scam on her.
:) That's why the first thing to do is spay and neuter the kitties! Nips that kind of scam in the bud.
Ron Herfurth - 20 Apr 2005 13:22 GMT > I worked with a lady, she stood there and told me > she had no less than 70 (seventy and no dollars) CATS. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > 70 Cats Did she "collect" and speuter all 70 or did she just bring home a few and let them multiply? Are they all current on shots and does a vet see each and every one of them every year? Is she rich or going broke feeding them?
I have 19 right now and figure if I ever get to 24 that's 2 vet visits a month - that would be the absolute total maximum I could possible handle. ron
Mary - 20 Apr 2005 18:47 GMT > > I worked with a lady, she stood there and told me > > she had no less than 70 (seventy and no dollars) CATS. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > month - that would be the absolute total maximum I could possible handle. > ron Ron, how do you handle 24 cats?
Ron Herfurth - 21 Apr 2005 18:58 GMT > > > I worked with a lady, she stood there and told me > > > she had no less than 70 (seventy and no dollars) CATS. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Ron, how do you handle 24 cats? Actually it's only 19 right now. Assembly line meals (10 individual dishes and one community dish ) twice a day. Paper plates saves washing. Luckily the ones that have been sick lately will eat a pill that's been squshed into their slice of canned food. 4 scheduled cleanings of all 11 litter pans each day and anytime one of them smells I go ahead and check all 11. Lots of cat beds along with the sofa and chairs. ( $ 10 and $15 dollar cat beds were one of my better investments ) Several scratching posts. Toys don't get a lot of attention though. I've got a budget for each month that includes an annual vet visit for everyone. That's why I said 24 would be the max since I couldn't afford 3 vet visits in any one month. What I couldn't handle would have been not rescuing them. For the strays at work, once I trapped and spayed them it was easier to feed them at home than feed them at work.
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Mary - 21 Apr 2005 19:54 GMT > > Ron, how do you handle 24 cats? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > annual vet visit for everyone. That's why I said 24 would be the max since > I couldn't afford 3 vet visits in any one month. This sounds like a full-time job, and what a huge expense. Do they need some toys? Do you feel they have enough to occupy them? I am wondering how big your place is. So they have scratching things? You have a little mini- shelter going there! I bet some people might be interested in sending along a few kitty gifts if you think they need some stimulation.
> What I couldn't handle would have been not rescuing them. For the strays at > work, once I trapped and spayed them it was easier to feed them at home than > feed them at work. What a good soul you are. Have you already posted photos, or do you have a web site?
bigbadbarry - 22 Apr 2005 05:36 GMT Think of all the money she saves on her heating bill...
I can see her in the bed...cats everywhere...all ganged up...
If she gets cold..just tuck in another cat.
and what about hairballs...maybe she could send them to Martha Stewart...make a sweater or something.
yaaak
Mary - 22 Apr 2005 18:24 GMT > Think of all the money she saves on her heating bill... > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > yaaak lol
dgk - 21 Apr 2005 19:58 GMT >Actually it's only 19 right now. Assembly line meals (10 individual dishes >and one community dish ) twice a day. Paper plates saves washing. Luckily [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >ron But sometimes they have to go for an off-schedule visit, no? I thought three was one too many for me. Jackie just died and I'm not thinking of getting another. They each require a certain amount of attention and three was really pushing it. I mean, Nipsy comes up and meows and wants to be picked up and petted, Espy wants his treats but doesn't want to be picked up. Well, I'm sure you have it worked out.
Ron Herfurth - 21 Apr 2005 20:22 GMT > >Actually it's only 19 right now. Assembly line meals (10 individual dishes > >and one community dish ) twice a day. Paper plates saves washing. Luckily [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > wants to be picked up and petted, Espy wants his treats but doesn't > want to be picked up. Well, I'm sure you have it worked out. That's the problem, with that many I sometimes don't notice who's missed a few meals for several days; then it could be a rush visit to the emergency vet. It's also hard to determine exactly which one is not using the litter pan. I've got 3 (or is it 4 ) sick ones right now so there's off-scheduled vet visits but that's what credit cards are for, right? About half are feral rescues that don't want a lot of attention, just a warm dry place to sleep. I have things for the rest to climb on. ron
zuzu22@webtv.net - 22 Apr 2005 00:52 GMT Ron wrote:
>That's the problem, with that many I >sometimes don't notice who's missed a >few meals for several days; then it could >be a rush visit to the emergency vet. This is not good. Are you feeding scheduled meals? If not you should seriously consider doing so and stop free feeding. I have 25 cats and feed my cats on a 12 hour schedule. They each have their own place to eat and their own dish, (I have two sets so there is always a clean set in the drainer when meal time arrives) and I always know immediately if someone is sick.
This just recently happened with Princess, who has never been sick in her almost 8 years but missed a meal for the first time ever. I was aware of it right away, took her temp (which was normal) checked her all over and gave her some sub-q fluids then watched her closely through the night. She was fine the next morning, but I had already arranged things so that if she wasn't we would go straight to the vet first thing. It's just too risky to have days go by before figuring out a cat is not eating, but you could avoid this by meal-feeding. Another benefit to this is that it is very easy to determine how much food you need each day to keep your cats at a healthy weight, and you can budget accordingly. I have a standing order for cases of Wellness canned food at the local pet store every couple of weeks and I get cases of Innova canned from a distributor once a month. I aways know exactly what I need and how much I spend and it really helps.
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Daniel Augustus - 21 Apr 2005 22:21 GMT I thought this was very interesting.....
from: http://www.bestfriends.org/members/faithfully/hoarding.htm
June 4, 2000 Sanctuary News
When Helping Becomes Hoarding
When does the desire to help animals spill over into a serious psychiatric condition?
By Faith Maloney --Director of the sanctuary
Doris had been dead for about two days before they found her. As the paramedics opened the door, the powerful stench of cat droppings hit them like a wall. Panicked cats were flying everywhere throughout the house; piles of cat waste and old empty food containers lay all around the floors. After the paramedics removed Doris' body they called the animal control officer, who then called me to come and help remove the cats. I had seen stories about people like Doris on the news, but this was the first time I was to see the full effects of a mental condition known as Animal Hoarding.
The house was filthy, the smell overpowering. The cats were frightened and hostile. There was no food in evidence, and the only water was coming from a leaky kitchen faucet. My team and I set about with nets and carriers to catch the cats and get them the help they needed. There were several litters of tiny kittens in various corners of the main living room. It was easy to pick those up, but knowing who their mamas were wasn't. As we caught each cat, we checked to see if any were nursing so we could try to match the kittens with their respective mothers later on.
By the time we finished the job, we had removed 56 cats and kittens from the house. Fortunately most of them went on to find new homes. The feral ones continue to live at Best Friends.
What is an animal hoarder?
I never knew Doris, so I don't know how she started collecting cats. Experts tell us that animal hoarding is a mental health disorder related to obsessive-compulsive disorder. Most hoarders are middle-aged or older women living alone. Often the animal of choice is the cat - it's easier to keep cats indoors, out of the prying eyes of neighbors. Usually by the time others are alerted to a bad situation, there can be hundreds of cats crammed into a house or trailer.
Some animal hoarders start with the best of intentions. But gradually the animals lose their identities, becoming objects to be collected just as some eccentric people collect old magazines or tin foil or balls of string. Removing the animals is not enough; unless the perpetrators receive professional help, they often just move to a new location and start up all over again.
Not everyone who ends up with too many animals is a hoarder. There is a big difference between a rescuer whose situation is getting out of control and an animal hoarder who is mentally ill and using animals to feed her compulsion. I have met numerous caring animal lovers who have rescued more animals than they can cope with at home and who have found themselves in trouble. They are not sick people.
Don't take on more than you can handle
Take Karen, for example. She came across a large group of uncared for feral cats in a busy downtown area near where she works. It was her first major rescue operation. She and a friend trapped the cats, got them fixed and vaccinated, returned the adults to the colony, and set up daily feeding schedules. She kept the kittens at her home to tame them and make them ready for adoption. An excellent plan. Karen's husband was supportive and since they both have excellent jobs, they could cope with the added financial burden. But, somewhere along the line, things started to get out of hand. Karen brought in some adult cats who needed special care. One of them began spraying; then others decided this was a new fun thing to do. Karen's husband began to see the investment they had made in a beautiful home going down the drain. Tensions were building between them.
They both realized that something needed to be done for the sake of their marriage as well as for the cats. They looked for solutions, starting with a cattery for the sprayer and his friends, and began to work with other animal groups in their area to help place some of the cats in new homes. Karen was not in danger of going seriously over the edge, since she does not have the mental illness that led Doris down that dark path. But there is still a strong lesson to be learned for all of us about not taking on more than we can handle. If you recognize yourself, a friend, or family member in any of this, then it's time to stop and think and find some help. A slower, steady course of care, taking on what can be handled well, will help more in the end by preventing burnout and disasters. To really help the animals, we need to be healthy in mind and body. As in all things in life, balance is essential.
Cheryl - 22 Apr 2005 01:26 GMT On Thu 21 Apr 2005 05:21:10p, Daniel Augustus wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav (news:1114118470.844055.178640 @l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com):
> I thought this was very interesting..... > > from: > http://www.bestfriends.org/members/faithfully/hoarding.htm It was. Very sad, too. Thanks for posting it!
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-L. - 22 Apr 2005 02:38 GMT > On Thu 21 Apr 2005 05:21:10p, Daniel Augustus wrote in > rec.pets.cats.health+behav (news:1114118470.844055.178640 [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > breath." > - W.C. Fields I worked a puppy mill once and the guy was similar to a hoarder - didn't really nderstand that what he was doing was bad.
What I don't understand is, how can these people not know their house stinks? My pet area gets stinky with only one dog and two cats (admittedly, my dog is a stinky dog - it's just the way she is - she has to be groomed monthly). I cannot imagine having 70 cats in a house. But I have seen people who obviously oblivious to how much their house reeks, even with fewer animals. I don't get it.
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KellyH - 22 Apr 2005 05:47 GMT > What I don't understand is, how can these people not know their house > stinks? My pet area gets stinky with only one dog and two cats > (admittedly, my dog is a stinky dog - it's just the way she is - she > has to be groomed monthly). I cannot imagine having 70 cats in a > house. But I have seen people who obviously oblivious to how much > their house reeks, even with fewer animals. I don't get it. I really don't understand how people can have multiple unneutered male cats. Their house must reek! A tom will spray occasionally in the shelter if he hasn't been neutered yet, and the smell gags me.
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-L. - 22 Apr 2005 09:48 GMT > I really don't understand how people can have multiple unneutered male cats. > Their house must reek! A tom will spray occasionally in the shelter if he [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > kelly at farringtons dot net > "Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG That one is beyond me as well - like in a cattery. Eeew! One more reason breeders are gross...
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Cheryl - 23 Apr 2005 00:01 GMT > I really don't understand how people can have multiple > unneutered male cats. Their house must reek! A tom will spray > occasionally in the shelter if he hasn't been neutered yet, and > the smell gags me. I hear ya Kelly! I couldn't get the stink out of my pickup truck for a long time after bringing trapped neighborhood stray toms to the clinic for neutering. But they were still in traps when I transported and the newspaper had been peed on. Blech. Same with my bathroom during their recoop period.
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bigbadbarry - 23 Apr 2005 10:47 GMT Seriously...
My grandfathers sister
lived by herself for years with a snorkel full of doggies...they found her in her bed (passed on)...
and "her best friends" had not eaten in a loooong time..they said;
Not soooo with cats...they will eat.
(have a backup plan?)
Mary - 23 Apr 2005 20:18 GMT > Seriously... > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > (have a backup plan?) eeeyuuu, Barry! ;)
Cheryl - 22 Apr 2005 23:56 GMT > I worked a puppy mill once and the guy was similar to a hoarder > - didn't really nderstand that what he was doing was bad. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > to how much their house reeks, even with fewer animals. I don't > get it. Me neither. We had a situation here when I was volunteering for a local rescue that was very sad. And, it was all done with the rescue groups blessing (partly why I left that group). Until she passed away. Then it was just awful. I won't go into detail here.
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rodrig462@yahoo.com - 25 Apr 2005 17:10 GMT > I worked with a lady, she stood there and told me > she had no less than 70 (seventy and no dollars) CATS. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > 70 Cats Re-Posted w/o comment and w/o permission from NBC...
http://www.turnto10.com/news/4410847/detail.html?rss=pro&psp=news
Animal Control Removes Dozens Of Cats From Home Owners Could Face Animal Cruelty Charges
POSTED: 5:47 pm EDT April 24, 2005 UPDATED: 6:02 pm EDT April 24, 2005
PAWTUCKET, R.I. -- Animal control officials responded to a case of cat hoarding in Pawtucket this weekend.
Almost 40 cats were removed from a mobile home Saturday afternoon.
Two cats were found dead and some had to be euthanized. The others are being treated at an animal hospital.
Animal control officers said the couple who live in the home have been reported for hoarding before.
Two years ago, animal control officers removed 25 cats from the home.
The couple could face animal cruelty charges because none of the cats were vaccinated.
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