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googlemail2003@yahoo.com - 13 Apr 2005 13:44 GMT
My cat has killer breath.

I took him to the vet.  He does have gingivitis.  The vet did not think
it was bad enough yet to treat aggressively.  He gave him an
anti-biotic for two weeks which helped but only temporarily.

Otherwise the cat is perfectly fine.  Happy, playful, eating.

What should I do in the meantime to help the breath?

Thanks
CatNipped - 13 Apr 2005 14:10 GMT
> My cat has killer breath.
>
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>
> Thanks

Do you brush his teeth?  The "toothpaste" you get as PetsMart is not exactly
minty fresh smelling, but it should help with the gingivitis.  You can use
the toothbrush made for cats, but I've found a piece of gauze wrapped around
my finger works better (you can control the pressure better so as to not
irritate the cat's gums).

But speaking of cat's bad breath...

I've never really noticed my cats' breath before now (but then again, none
of them have ever had dental problems).  However, Sammy, my 1-year-old,
likes to lick my nose and mouth (and, oddly, shove her little nose as far up
my nostril as she can get!!???) - and I've noticed that she has really bad
breath (like a human's "morning breath").  Maybe I'm only noticing it
because she's always licking me and the others don't.

Does anyone else's cat have bad breath too - without associated dental
problems?  Is it normal and I just haven't noticed it because my other cats
don't get that close (Sammy's the only one who likes to French kiss me!!
;>).

Hugs,

CatNipped
Suzanne - 13 Apr 2005 14:17 GMT
Hmmm....have you asked Sammy what he thinks of YOUR breath? People in glass
houses..you know.
CatNipped - 13 Apr 2005 14:34 GMT
> Hmmm....have you asked Sammy what he thinks of YOUR breath? People in
> glass
> houses..you know.

"She" - Samantha.  And yeah, you're probably right, but *she* is the one who
initiates the French kissing - *I* only give her pecks on top of her furry
little head (OK, I've been know to lick a furry little ear a time or two)!
;>

Hugs,

CatNipped
Mary - 13 Apr 2005 16:40 GMT
> Hmmm....have you asked Sammy what he thinks of YOUR breath? People in glass
> houses..you know.

Hee! Mine love the smell of toothpaste.
Diane L. Schirf - 13 Apr 2005 14:18 GMT
> Does anyone else's cat have bad breath too - without associated dental
> problems?

When my veterinarian opened Hodge's mouth and I leaned over to look, I
almost passed out. TED says he's got some tartar buildup but we both
agree that he's NEVER going to let anyone brush his teeth. (He's given
both TED and myself scars from less invasive procedures.)

But I normally don't notice.

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CatNipped - 13 Apr 2005 14:38 GMT
>> Does anyone else's cat have bad breath too - without associated dental
>> problems?
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>
> But I normally don't notice.

Sounds like my Bandit, except that I can do *anything* to her (even give her
"bugga belly"!!!) - it's just anyone else whose life is in danger from
getting too near her.  ;>

Hugs,

CatNipped
Alex - 13 Apr 2005 14:30 GMT
"CatNipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
> Does anyone else's cat have bad breath too - without associated dental
> problems?  Is it normal and I just haven't noticed it because my other cats
> don't get that close (Sammy's the only one who likes to French kiss me!!

Our 3 y-o black short hair cat Khamun's breath is pretty rough, especially
when he yawns while sat on my knee, I am used to leaning back at that
point - I suspect most cats have poor breath owing to their diet and lack of
teeth cleaning.
Karen - 13 Apr 2005 15:20 GMT
> "CatNipped" <lcrews@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
> > Does anyone else's cat have bad breath too - without associated dental
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> point - I suspect most cats have poor breath owing to their diet and lack of
> teeth cleaning.

Well, not really. Most cats breath won't have too much of a smell. If his
breath is that bad, he should probably have his teeth cleaned to prevent
kidney or heart problems. I"m serious about that. That is why the first
thing a vet does in an exam is look in a cats mouth. Just like us, bad
dental hygene can lead to early death through heart failure etc. Since cats
aren't hunting in the wild, crunching bones and shredding raw meat, their
teeth are NOT as good.
Alex - 13 Apr 2005 17:12 GMT
SNIP
> Since cats
> aren't hunting in the wild, crunching bones and shredding raw meat, their
> teeth are NOT as good.

Tell that to the mouse he ate on Saturday...I'll mention it to the vet as
he's due a checkup.
Libby - 13 Apr 2005 22:52 GMT
You let your cat lick your nose and mouth?

Is this before or after she licks her own anus?
MaryL - 13 Apr 2005 23:14 GMT
> You let your cat lick your nose and mouth?
>
> Is this before or after she licks her own anus?

I'm afraid you would find that many on this group permit that.  Well, in my
case, Holly licks my nose.  I love her and actually enjoy it because I
consider it a form of affection...and I just try to ignore the other places
that tongue has been!

MaryL
Mary - 13 Apr 2005 23:56 GMT
> > You let your cat lick your nose and mouth?
> >
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>
> MaryL

Same here. :) I do make sure I'm up on my vitamins!
Karen - 14 Apr 2005 00:09 GMT
>> You let your cat lick your nose and mouth?
>>
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>
> MaryL

Considering that on a daily basis we touch doorknobs and money that, well,
you know... A cat lick is probably not nearly as contaminated.
CatNipped - 13 Apr 2005 23:22 GMT
> You let your cat lick your nose and mouth?
>
> Is this before or after she licks her own anus?

Both!  That's love baby!!!  ;>

Hugs,

CatNipped

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kaeli - 13 Apr 2005 14:49 GMT
> My cat has killer breath.
>
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>
> Thanks

Very bad breath is often a sign of internal problems. I don't think that is
this cat's problem...yet.

If antibiotics helped and this cat has gingivitis, the solution is fixing the
gingivitis. Sometimes a simple 2 week course isn't enough to kill off a bad
bacterial infection. And bacteria from the gums CAN spread to other parts of
the body and systemically infect the cat.

I'd get a second opinion, personally. This cat may need stronger meds for a
full 21 day course and a dental (under anesthesia).
I'd also get some of this:

========================
CHX Guard LA
This is a bactericidal adhesive gel containing ZincChlorhexidine. Formulated
for aggressive plaque control and for active oral infections, this adhesive
gel increases the contact time between the active ingredient chlorhexidine,
and the oral tissues. This increased contact time is important when treating
moderate to severe conditions. CHX Guard LA is recommended for initial
treatment of moderate to severe gingivitis, active periodontitis, acute oral
infections or active inflammatory conditions. The product is packaged in an
easy to use "dial-a dose" syringe. The syringe is designed to be held below
the pet=3Fs field of vision. The syringe contains 32 numbered units. The dosage
for cats is one unit for each side of the mouth. Initially, it should be
applied once every 24 hours.
========================

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MaryL - 13 Apr 2005 20:19 GMT
> My cat has killer breath.
>
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>
> Thanks

I have never had a cat develop bad breath.  That is usually a sign of tooth
and/or stomach problems (and, of course, your vet has already identified
gingivitis).  In my opinion, your cat needs to have his teeth professionally
cleaned.  I am concerned that your vet is only looking at antibiotics.  If
it were me, I would seek a second opinion at this time.

MaryL
zuzu22@webtv.net - 13 Apr 2005 23:46 GMT
>I took him to the vet. He does have
>gingivitis. The vet did not think it was bad
>enough yet to treat aggressively. He gave
>him an anti-biotic for two weeks which
>helped but only temporarily.

Bad breath can also be a sign of internal problems. You don't say how
old your cat is, but if this were my cat I'd have a full blood workup
done just to be on the safe side. Since your cat seems to have chronic
gingivitis, it would also be wise to test him for Bartonella, which can
be transmitted by a flea bite. Gingivitis and several other inflammatory
conditions can be caused by Bartonella. If the cat tests positive it is
easy to clear up with a 3 week course of azithromycin. I have a houseful
of rescued cats, many of which came from unknown origins and so far I
have had 6 tested. 4 have tested positive, and had teeth/gum issues
which is why the vet suggested testing. Apparently Bartonella is
becoming more and more common and it is certainly worthwhile to have the
cats tested and rule this in or out as a cause of his gum issues. You
can read a good article about it here:
http://www.knowlesanimalclinics.com/miami/bartonella_and_cats.html

Megan

                                   
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Steve G - 14 Apr 2005 00:09 GMT
> My cat has killer breath.
(...)

> What should I do in the meantime to help the breath?

Hills t/d?

Gas mask?

Acquired anosmia?

Steve.
cats - 25 Apr 2005 23:07 GMT
My cats love these treats:

http://www.petco.com/product_info.asp?sku=1148000300&dept_id=%2D2#
bigbadbarry - 25 Apr 2005 23:20 GMT
cute
Mary - 26 Apr 2005 18:57 GMT
> cute

Hey, Barry, what are you referring to here?
Diane L. Schirf - 26 Apr 2005 01:33 GMT
> My cats love these treats:
>
> http://www.petco.com/product_info.asp?sku=1148000300&dept_id=%2D2#

But do they treat the root cause of the problem?

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