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Anti-inflammatory shots after spaying and neutering
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Shaka Shiva - 09 Apr 2005 13:56 GMT Is this usual or frequent in other(your) clinics? Its a new thing at my vets. I just had three cats sterilized this week, two females and one male. I had another one neutered right last summer and this new addition (especially to the bill) was not present back then. I've never seen problems with excessive pain whenever I had cats sterilized in the past. I know cats hide it well, but this operation I believe is well tolerated. I even think its a bad Idea. They give me a little pamphlet saying to keep your animals calm and don't let them get into high activity (!!). Well its always been natural after spaying and neutering before. The cat came home, found a comfy spot and slept there most of the time for the next 48 hours 'recovering' calmly and surely. My three new cats, when I took them home yesterday, were going around chasing each other for games and they were not even 15 min out of the carrier! If they were not so numb to the discomforts of the procedure, maybe it would be easier to keep them calm. Another way for the pharmaceutical mafia to reach for our remaining pennies, IMO. 'Tolfedine' is what we got.
Elaine
Spot - 09 Apr 2005 14:41 GMT None of my cats have ever had pain meds to go home on for spaying. The only time I've ever had a cat come home on pain medication was when Mushkins leg had to be amputated for cancer. Even then she was off the medication if 3 days.
I think you are right if they weren't so doped up they probably would have found a place to sleep comfortable for a day or so.
I think I'd take this up with the vet the next time you see them and ask why they are doing this now.
Celeste
> Is this usual or frequent in other(your) clinics? > Its a new thing at my vets. I just had three cats sterilized this week, two [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Elaine bookbug2005 - 09 Apr 2005 20:29 GMT >'Tolfedine' is what we got. I had my cat neutered about 6 weeks ago, and the vet tech asked me if I wanted post-op pain meds for my cat. It was listed as torbutrol, so while obviously not the same exact med as your cats had, I'm not sure if it might not be in the same category. She told me the effect would last about 3 days. It had been years since I last had a cat fixed, and that one was a female. I really didn't know how to respond, but erred on the side of caution thinking I'd sure as hell want pain meds. It was an extra $15. Like you, I was admonished to keep my kitty quiet, no running, jumping, etc. Well, yeah right. HA! He was groggy the evening of the surgery when we brought him home, and although a little quiet it the next day, he still had a bout of rambunctiousness. So, I don't know what to think.
Michelle
Shaka Shiva - 10 Apr 2005 01:25 GMT > >'Tolfedine' is what we got. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Michelle Thanks for your input. You had the option though. Your vet offered it. It was an obligation at my clinic. I hate to medicate unecessarily. And since we know they recover very well without the painkillers as it as always been before, it annoys me to see how they throw in this extra just for profit.
Elaine
-L. - 10 Apr 2005 02:37 GMT > Thanks for your input. You had the option though. Your vet offered it. > It was an obligation at my clinic. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Elaine FWIW, I worked in a high-volume feline specialty hospital, and we *always* gave spayed cats pain meds. Always. No choice. Spay surgery can be hard on a cat - especially an older cat. So I don't think giving the meds was unusual or unwarranted.
-L.
Phil P. - 10 Apr 2005 09:59 GMT "Shaka Shiva" <chakashiva@yahoo.ca> wrote in message >
> Thanks for your input. You had the option though. Your vet offered it. > It was an obligation at my clinic. And rightly so for all but kittens.
> I hate to medicate unecessarily. And since we know they recover very well > without the painkillers as it as always been before, Not so. Current research now shows that post-op pain has been grossly underestimated in cats. This is another reason why kittens should be neutered young - 8-12 weeks - less trauma to tissue due to less muscle and fat.
it annoys me to see how
> they throw in this extra just for profit. Pain meds aren't included just for profit - they're for the cats' comfort. Pain meds aren't an option with our vets - and I wouldn't have it any other way. Wouldn't you want pain meds after surgery - especially after a major surgery?
Phil
Shaka Shiva - 10 Apr 2005 13:38 GMT > "Shaka Shiva" <chakashiva@yahoo.ca> wrote in message > > > Thanks for your input. You had the option though. Your vet offered it. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Phil How does it work for you at your clinic? What do they give you? I had a cat neutered last summer at the very same clinic, and on my invoice I have only the castration appearing, with the total price. Now, about 8 months later, I have castration for the little male for the same price, + the tolfedine shot with the added cost. The females had the shots plus some extra pills to take at home. How did they proceed before? Is this new? Is painkillers now have been used only since this year?? Or was it something that was naturally included in the procedure and simply not appeared on the invoice? I am not debating that the cats need it or not. I don't know how the procedure goes usually. If the meds didn't appear on the invoice before, is it that it came all included in the operation? Everyone I asked that had a cat sterilized in the latest years had none of this appear. No one had problems. Then I am guessing that the pain shots were given but not detailed on the invoice, simply included in the operation deal. Now they have decided to add it on the invoice, and with an extra 15% cost. What do you think? Don't go receiving this as cheapness. I want and give everything best for my animals. But *subtile* price augmentation tricks nowadays are multiple quiet attacks that just adds on and on and on every day, you know. At least, in Quebec. I was also charged for prescription!! Elaine
Shaka Shiva - 10 Apr 2005 18:35 GMT > I am not debating that the cats need it or not. Actually, I should take that back. I don't know how they proceded before. Was pain med shots used automatically with the operation? Maybe. In that case it was just included in the whole price. What I got is something added. Any dog or cat I have had fixed in the past have had no problem recuperating well from either spaying or neutering. Some discomfort after a procedure is probably normal , but this goes well. Anyone here who ever felt their pets lived through this with difficulty because they had no pain killers to give them afterwards, please speak up.
This add on is good news for the pharmaceutic industry, but not very good for the pet population control. I find it sad. Cost of life today is reaching limits for alot of people. Those working at minimum wage barely can eat, and never mind eat healthfully!! This kind of people I meet everyday. And getting a cat fixed, although a good idea, can no longer end up on their priority list...And I can't blame them. When you don't have the dough, you just dont. I guess that is how I ended up picking up a family of very friendly kittens on the side of a road one very cold afternoon.
Why don't they invest into raising public awareness on how important it is to sterilize their pets instead of creating studies to come up with good reasons to profit from you when you go in to do the right thing?? I won't be convinced that this new pain killer addition to sterilizing, wich along with the shot came in these little fancy boxes with the brand name clear and colorful, was intended truly for the good of the animals. I've always been the naive type but not this much.
Elaine
Monique Y. Mudama - 11 Apr 2005 17:53 GMT > Why don't they invest into raising public awareness on how important > it is to sterilize their pets instead of creating studies to come up [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Elaine Okay, let's make a deal. Have your uterus and ovaries removed, then refuse any pain medication post-op. Let us know how that goes for you.
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Mary - 11 Apr 2005 18:31 GMT > > Why don't they invest into raising public awareness on how important > > it is to sterilize their pets instead of creating studies to come up [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > refuse any pain medication post-op. Let us know how that goes for > you. A fine idea!
kaeli - 11 Apr 2005 18:30 GMT > Anyone here who ever felt their pets lived through this with difficulty > because they had no pain killers to give them afterwards, please speak up. *raises hand* I had one of my dogs spayed and didn't get pain pills with it b/c we went to the low-cost clinic (they don't give you pain meds). I will never NOT get pills (ahead of time) for the poor animal again. If I need to go low-cost, I'll still get pain meds from my regular vet.
I didn't realize they didn't dispense pain pills at the time (they didn't tell me and I didn't think to ask, assuming they would since my vet always did). I went to my regular vet the next day feeling guilty as hell, asking for some pills for the poor dog.
YOU go get body parts ripped out and see how YOU feel the next couple of days. FCOL, have a little sympathy.
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Phil P. - 11 Apr 2005 19:21 GMT > Why don't they invest into raising public awareness on how important it is > to sterilize their pets instead of creating studies to come up with good > reasons to profit from you when you go in to do the right thing?? I don't follow your reasoning -- one has nothing to do with the other. Pain medication benefits the cat in *any* surgical procedure. The studies weren't conducted just to rip people off for pain medication.
I won't
> be convinced that this new pain killer addition to sterilizing, wich along > with the shot came in these little fancy boxes with the brand name clear and > colorful, was intended truly for the good of the animals. Would you like to have major abdominal surgery performed on you without pain medication? What makes you think cats feel any less pain than a human? Don't you care about your cat's pain or are you just a cheapskate?
Shaka Shiva - 11 Apr 2005 20:08 GMT > > Why don't they invest into raising public awareness on how important it is > > to sterilize their pets instead of creating studies to come up with good [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > medication? What makes you think cats feel any less pain than a human? > Don't you care about your cat's pain or are you just a cheapskate? Hey, please. Why don't you give that speach to half the vets that don't give the meds. This attitude of the vets...'sometimes we do, sometimes we don't' is not very clear for us, for them or anyone else. When is there a rip off and when is there credibility? Why don't they all agree so we can all agree. I surely don't want my pets in pain, but I don't want them and me to be taken advantage of.
Animal suffering, while so insignificant to the majority of human beings in life, especially many of those that amuse themselves 'studying' on them, is the number one thing on my list of things absolutely unacceptable.
Its not little dirty crows(figure) that are sitting on their cellulite building fat a.ses in front of their screens all day long looking for a half open door to throw in insults at people they know nothing about that is gonna make me doubt of my conscience. (This last phrase is a message directed to other responders wich don't even deserve mention and who cares 'cause I don't even remember their useless nicks)
Elaine
Phil P. - 11 Apr 2005 11:23 GMT > > "Shaka Shiva" <chakashiva@yahoo.ca> wrote in message > > > > Thanks for your input. You had the option though. Your vet offered [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > How does it work for you at your clinic? I don't understand your question. As I said, at my vet's clinic, pain management isn't optional.
>What do they give you? The bill.
I had a
> cat neutered last summer at the very same clinic, and on my invoice I have > only the castration appearing, with the total price. Now, about 8 months > later, I have castration for the little male for the same price, + the > tolfedine shot with the added cost. The females had the shots plus some > extra pills to take at home. How did they proceed before? Is this new? Is > painkillers now have been used only since this year?? In the past, many vets felt the anesthesia and the recovery period from anesthesia "carried" the cats through any pain. They were wrong. They also grossly underestimated post-op pain.
> Or was it something that was naturally included in the procedure and simply > not appeared on the invoice? Many vets didn't (many still don't) address post-op pain management. If PM wasn't on the bill, there probably wasn't any.
> I am not debating that the cats need it or not. I don't know how the > procedure goes usually. If the meds didn't appear on the invoice before, is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > 15% cost. > What do you think? I'm not sure I'm following you. 15% additional for pain management?
> Don't go receiving this as cheapness. I want and give everything best for > my animals. But *subtile* price augmentation tricks nowadays are multiple > quiet attacks that just adds on and on and on every day, you know. At > least, in Quebec. > I was also charged for prescription!! Medication to be administered at home? That's a normal charge.
Vet-client relationship can also have an affect on the bill. If you're a steady and regular client, your vet might overlook a few small items.
Phil
PawsForThought - 11 Apr 2005 15:56 GMT > Is this usual or frequent in other(your) clinics? When my cats were neutered/spayed, they were given an injection of a pain killer. I can't remember off the top of my head what it was, maybe something like torbegesic (sp). My male was 5 months old and my female was 6 months old when they were done. The thinking (and research) nowadays is that cats do indeed feel pain. Imagine having a hysterectomy and no pain killer. No thanks!
Shaka Shiva - 11 Apr 2005 19:40 GMT Ok, so I called my vet, and another vet in another town to get things clear on this. My vet, I asked, I had two male cats neutered within the last year. One in august 2004, the other, last week. Q: Vishnou, from last year, has no Tolfedine injection shot appearing on the invoice. Kosy, my new male, had the injection... why? R: They did not use it before, and they only started recently but they aren't sure exactly when they started.... sometime last year, after summer of course. Q: Females, have you always used the injection? R: Yes, yes, it has always been used. Q: Then you used it before but it did not appear on the invoice? Because Shiva, who I had sterilized at your clinic in '99, has no injection appearing on the invoice. R: Must have been forgotten.
When I called the vet in the other town, he said he did not used anti-inflammatory medication for sterilizing only. He said that many clinics do, but they(he) only used it if the operation is combined with declawing (that hurt my stomach but I shut up) He said some clinics use it, others don't. Its a matter of choice. Tolfedine is what he uses also when it applies.
So some vets do, some vets don't, some vets forget to include it on the invoice.... All I can say is its hard to evaluate. When I ask around, all who got cat sterilized within the last years had none of the painkiller added. Recoveries went well for all. I saw no difference between Vishnou's recovery and Kosy's, except that the new cats were very active when they stepped out of the carrier, while Vishnou was calmer... but he was closer to 1 yr(at view) while the kittens are about 6-7 months old (at view also). And the kittens spent about 6 more hours at the vet than V because I could not get them earlier.
I don't know what to think. If having the painkiller is best, then I will make sure its on if there is a next time (but at 6 cats I'm feeling pretty full now). But to clinics and vets, please, make the whole package, operation and meds, stay at reasonnable prices so people, with modest incomes, be encouraged to go on and have their pets sterilized. Within 6 years the operation for the females has simply doubled. Within a year it went up 15% for males.
Elaine
PawsForThought - 12 Apr 2005 00:59 GMT I saw no difference between Vishnou's
> recovery and Kosy's, except that the new cats were very active when they > stepped out of the carrier, while Vishnou was calmer My cats were pretty active too when I picked them up. But I attribute that to the anesthesia that was used - isoflurane gas. Cats will wake up quicker and be more active when they do when they're given isoflurane gas instead of an injectible like Ketamine. So maybe your cats were given Isoflurane this time, while perhaps in the past there were given something else.
Lauren
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