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[OT] WARNING OFF TOPIC - POLITICAL (SORT OF) - Humor, Living Will
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CatNipped - 08 Apr 2005 19:22 GMT Did I make that ^^^ clear enough that this was off topic so that people won't be forced to read it if they don't want to??? ;>
Also, note - THIS IS NOT A COMMENTARY BY ME JUST SOMETHING I FOUND AMUSING!
There, did I cover all bases? LOL
http://blog.bioethics.net/2005/03/new-living-will-form.html
Hugs,
CatNipped
kaeli - 08 Apr 2005 19:36 GMT > Did I make that ^^^ clear enough that this was off topic so that people > won't be forced to read it if they don't want to??? ;> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://blog.bioethics.net/2005/03/new-living-will-form.html OMG, too funny!!
*sure, now my co-workers KNOW I'm slacking!! LOL* ...at least they found it funny, too... *heh*
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bookbug2005 - 08 Apr 2005 19:47 GMT >CatNipped Apr 8, 11:23 am show options
>Did I make that ^^^ clear enough that this was off topic so >that people
>won't be forced to read it if they don't want to??? ;>
>Also, note - THIS IS NOT A COMMENTARY BY ME JUST >SOMETHING I FOUND AMUSING!
>There, did I cover all bases? LOL
>http://blog.bioethics.net/2005/03/new-living-will-form.html I thoroughly enjoyed this! Thanks for sharing--off topic or not. Seriously, it's something everyone should consider.
I was going to say more, but then my remarks on the subject are probably more appropriate to another newsgroup. :-)
Michelle
Mathew Kagis - 08 Apr 2005 20:16 GMT > Did I make that ^^^ clear enough that this was off topic so that people > won't be forced to read it if they don't want to??? ;> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > CatNipped >  Signature I loved it... Thanks. Did anyone forward the link to the White House? Mathew Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat En Vino Veritas
Joe Canuck - 08 Apr 2005 20:38 GMT > Did I make that ^^^ clear enough that this was off topic so that people > won't be forced to read it if they don't want to??? ;> There are groups for posts considered off-topic in other groups.
> Also, note - THIS IS NOT A COMMENTARY BY ME JUST SOMETHING I FOUND AMUSING! But, you have already commented that you found it amusing. So it is a commentary.
> There, did I cover all bases? LOL > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > CatNipped kaeli - 08 Apr 2005 20:56 GMT > > Did I make that ^^^ clear enough that this was off topic so that people > > won't be forced to read it if they don't want to??? ;> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > But, you have already commented that you found it amusing. So it is a > commentary. And I thought *I* had too much time on my hands. Go figure.
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Mary - 08 Apr 2005 21:12 GMT > > Did I make that ^^^ clear enough that this was off topic so that people > > won't be forced to read it if they don't want to??? ;> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > But, you have already commented that you found it amusing. So it is a > commentary. Are your shorts too tight, Joe?
Just Conservative - 10 Apr 2005 18:03 GMT Mary said
> "Joe Canuck" wrote
> > > Did I make that ^^^ clear enough that this > > > was off topic so that people won't be > > > forced to read it if they don't want to??? ;>
> > There are groups for posts considered > > off-topic in other groups.
> > > Also, note - THIS IS NOT A COMMENTARY BY ME JUST > > > SOMETHING I FOUND AMUSING! > > > > But, you have already commented that you found > > it amusing. So it is a commentary.
> Are your shorts too tight, Joe? What if ya had to live with someone like that? Egads. Pity his children!
...no, this is NOT funny.
sorry
Just Conservative - 10 Apr 2005 18:17 GMT In <1112991170.25bf47dc33e43d6807f08b34aa3e32c8@teranews> On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 16:12:47 -0400, Mary said
> Are your shorts too tight, Joe? I have a book for Joe.
*Your Erroneous Zones* 1976, Dyer
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You are welcome, Joe.
Just Conservative - 10 Apr 2005 19:28 GMT
Re: [OT] WARNING OFF TOPIC - POLITICAL (SORT OF) - Humor, Living Will
Mary said
> > Are your shorts too tight, Joe? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > "... Dyer shows how you can take charge of > yourself and manage how much you ..." Chapter 7
?There are no rules, laws, or traditions that apply universally?including this one.?
?The world is full of ?shoulds? that people apply to their behavior without evaluation, and the total of these shoulds make up a very large erroneous zone.?
?Nothing is absolute. There are no rules or laws which always make sense or provide the greatest amount of good for all occasions. Flexibility is a far greater virtue, and yet you may find it difficult, indeed impossible, to break an unserviceable law or violate absurd tradition.?
?A should is unhealthy only when it gets in the way of healthy and effective behavior. If you find yourself doing annoying or otherwise counterproductive things which are the result of a should, you have renounced your freedom of choice and are allowing yourself to be controlled by some external force.?
Internal versus External Focus of Control
?It is has been estimated that a full seventy-five percent of the people in our culture are more external than internal in their personality orientation. This means that the chances are that you fit into this category more often than you don?t. What does it mean to be ?external? in your focus of control? Essentially, you are external if you assign responsibility for your emotional state in your present moments to someone or something external to yourself. Thus, if you were to be asked the question, ?Why do you feel bad?? and you responded with answers like ??My parents mistreat me,? ?She hurt my feelings,? ?My friends don?t like me,? ?My luck is down,? or ?Things just aren?t going well,? you would be in this external category. Conversely, if you were asked why you are so happy, and you responded: ?My friends treat me well,? ?My luck has changed,? ?Nobody is bugging me,? or ?She came through for me,? you are still in the external frame, assigning responsibility for how you feel to someone or something outside of you.?
?The internal focus of control person puts the responsibility for how he feels squarely on his own shoulders, and this person is indeed rare in our culture. When asked the same questions, he responds with internally oriented answers such as: ?I tell myself the wrong things,? ?I put too much emphasis on what others say,? ?I worry about what someone else thinks,? ?I?m not strong enough now to avoid being unhappy,? and ?I don?t have the skills to keep me from being miserable.? Similarly, when the internally-put-together person is up, he responds with ?I? references such as ?I worked hard at being happy,? ?I made things work for me,? I?m telling myself the right things,? ?I?m in charge of me, and this is where I choose to be.? Thus, you have one-fourth of the people taking responsibility for their own feelings, and three-fourths bestowing blame on external sources?Virtually all shoulds and traditions are imposed on external sources. That is, they come from someone or something outside of yourself. If you are loaded with shoulds and unable to break conventions which are prescribed by others, then you are in the external bag.?
?You can never find self-fulfillment if you persist in permitting yourself to be controlled by external forces or persist in thinking that you are controlled by external forces. Being effective does not mean eliminating all of the problems in your life. It does mean moving your focus of control from the external to the internal. In that way you make yourself responsible for everything that you experience emotionally. You are not a robot, running your life through a maze, filled up with other people?s rules and regulations that don?t even make sense to you.?
Blaming and Hero Worship: Opposite Ends of the Same Externally Directed Behavior
?Blame is a neat little device that you can use when ever you don?t want to take responsibility for something in your life. It is the refuge of the externally oriented person.?
Mary - 08 Apr 2005 21:16 GMT > Did I make that ^^^ clear enough that this was off topic so that people > won't be forced to read it if they don't want to??? ;> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://blog.bioethics.net/2005/03/new-living-will-form.html I love it! "If I fail to sit up and ask for a beer!" :)
Just Conservative - 10 Apr 2005 17:41 GMT CatNipped said
> There, did I cover all bases? LOL > > http://blog.bioethics.net/2005/03/new-living-will-form.html ===========it says in part: =========== March 23, 2005 The New Living Will Form I'm thinking that Bill Allen's proposal for a living will is maybe a good idea for me, you and everybody else with fear of the Bush administration a sense of humor.
I received this today from a member of our hospital staff with whom i have not spoken about my idea the other day.
Florida - Living Will I, _________________________ (fill in the blank), being of sound mind and body, unequivocally declare that in the event of a catastrophic injury, I do not wish to be kept alive indefinitely by artificial means. I hereby instruct my loved ones and relatives to remove all life-support systems, once it has been determined that my brain is longer functioning in a cognizant realm. However, that judgment should be made only after thorough consultation with medical experts; i.e., individuals who actually have been trained, educated and certified as doctors.
Under no circumstances -- and I can't state this too strongly -- should my fate be put in the hands of peckerwood politicians who couldn't pass ninth-grade biology if their lives depended on it. Furthermore, it is my firm hope that, when the time comes, any discussion about terminating my medical treatment should remain private and confidential.
Living in Florida, however, I am acutely aware that the legislative and executive branches of state government are fond of meddling in family matters, and have little concern for the privacy and dignity of individuals.
Therefore, I wish to make my views on this subject as clear and unambiguous as possible. Recognizing that some politicians seem cerebrally challenged themselves (and with no medical excuse), I'll try to keep this simple and to the point:
1. While remaining sensitive to the feelings of loved ones who might cling to hope for my recovery, let me state that if a reasonable amount of time passes -- say, ____ (fill in the blank) months -- and I fail to sit sit up and ask for a cold beer, it should be presumed that I won't ever get better. When such a determination is reached, I hereby instruct my spouse, children and attending physicians to pull the plug, reel in the tubes and call it a day. 2. Under no circumstances shall the members of the Legislature enact a special law to keep me on life-support machinery. It is my wish that these boneheads mind their own damn business, and pay attention instead to the health, education and future of the millions of Floridians who aren't in a permanent coma. 3. Under no circumstances shall the governor of Florida butt into this case and order my doctors to put a feeding tube down my throat. I don't care how many fundamentalist votes he's trying to scrounge for his brother in 2004, it is my wish that he plays politics with someone else's life and leaves me to die in peace. 4. I couldn't care less if a hundred religious zealots send e-mails to legislators in which they pretend to care about me. I don't know these....snip
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Living will is the best revenge By ROBERT FRIEDMAN, Perspective Editor Published March 27, 2005
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Like many of you, I have been compelled by recent events to prepare a more detailed advance directive dealing with end-of-life issues. Here's what mine says:
* In the event I lapse into a persistent vegetative state, I want medical authorities to resort to extraordinary means to prolong my hellish semiexistence. Fifteen years wouldn't be long enough for me.
* I want my wife and my parents to compound their misery by engaging in a bitter and protracted feud that depletes their emotions and their bank accounts.
* I want my wife to ruin the rest of her life by maintaining an interminable vigil at my bedside. I'd be really jealous if she waited less than a decade to start dating again or otherwise rebuilding a semblance of a normal life.
* Because I think I would retain my sense of humor even in a persistent vegetative state, I'd want President Bush - the same guy who publicly mocked Karla Faye Tucker when signing off on her death warrant as governor of Texas - to claim he was intervening in my case because it is always best "to err on the side of life."
* I want my case to be turned into a circus by losers and crackpots from around the country who hope to bring meaning to their empty lives by investing the same transient emotion in me that they once reserved for Laci Peterson, Chandra Levy and that little girl who got stuck in a well.
* I want those crackpots to spread vicious lies about my wife.
* I want to be placed in a hospice where protesters can gather to bring further grief and disruption to the lives of dozens of dying patients and families whose stories are sadder than my own.
* I want the people who attach themselves to my case because of their deep devotion to the sanctity of life to make death threats against any judges, elected officials or health care professionals who disagree with them.
* I want the medical geniuses and philosopher kings who populate the Florida Legislature to ignore me for more than a decade and then turn my case into a forum for weeks of politically calculated bloviation.
* I want total strangers - oily politicians, maudlin news anchors, ersatz friars and all other hangers-on - to start calling me "Bobby," as if they had known me since childhood.
* I'm not insisting on this as part of my directive, but it would be nice if Congress passed a "Bobby's Law" that applied only to me and ignored the medical needs of tens of millions of other Americans without adequate health coverage.
* Even if the "Bobby's Law" idea doesn't work out, I want Congress - especially all those self-described conservatives who claim to believe in ******* "less government and more freedom" - to ******* trample on the decisions of doctors, judges and other experts who actually know something about my case. And I want members of Congress to launch into an extended debate that gives them another excuse to avoid pesky issues such as national security and the economy.
* In particular, I want House Majority Leader Tom DeLay to use my case as an opportunity to divert the country's attention from the mounting political and legal troubles stemming from his slimy misbehavior.
* And I want Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist to make a mockery of his Harvard medical degree by misrepresenting the details of my case in ways that might give a boost to his 2008 presidential campaign.
* I want Frist and the rest of the world to judge my medical condition on the basis of a snippet of dated and demeaning videotape that should have remained private.
* I want the state Department of Children and Families to step in at the last moment to take responsibility for my well-being, because nothing bad could ever happen to anyone under DCF's care.
* And because Gov. Jeb Bush is the smartest and most righteous human being on the face of the Earth, I want any and all of the aforementioned directives to be disregarded if the governor happens to disagree with them. If he says he knows what's best for me, I won't be in any position to argue.
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The National GeographicRoper 2002 Global Geographic Literacy Survey polled more than 3,000 18- to 24-year-olds in Canada, France, Germany, Great Britain, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Sweden and the United States. Sweden scored highest; Mexico, lowest. The U.S. was next to last.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/11/1120_021120_GeoRoperSurvey.html
=================National Geographic Literacy Survey Survey conducted between May 24 and July 26 2002.durring the height of the American bombing of Afghanistan?Taliban.. Sample question 1 of 20 Which of the following ranges contains the correct population of the United States today? Between 10 million and 50 million Between 150 million and 350 million Between 500 million and 750 million Between 1 billion and 2 billion I Don?t Know The current population of the United States is between 150 million and 350 million. USA - 25% - last place. Sweden best -55%.
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http://geosurvey.nationalgeographic.com/geosurvey/templates/question_3.html Sample question 3 of 20 The Taliban and al Qaeda movements were both based in which country? Iraq Pakistan Israel Albania Afghanistan I Don?t Know
http://geosurvey.nationalgeographic.com/geosurvey/templates/answer_3_3_1.html USA last place at 58%. Sweeden & G Britain tie for #1 at 84%.
Again, coincedence? It's almost as if American ignorance is being cultivated, isn't it?
Synopsis from World Book Encyclopedia, 1958: Fascism's parts: 1) extreme nationalism, 2) police state, 3) cultivation of ignorance, 4) suppression of labor, 5) militarism.
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
Think about it. Words mean something.
The insane twist the facts to fit their world view. The rational change their world view to fit the facts.
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