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[OT] WARNING OFF TOPIC - POLITICAL (SORT OF) - Humor, Living Will

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CatNipped - 08 Apr 2005 19:22 GMT
Did I make that ^^^ clear enough that this was off topic so that people
won't be forced to read it if they don't want to???  ;>

Also, note - THIS IS NOT A COMMENTARY BY ME JUST SOMETHING I FOUND AMUSING!

There, did I cover all bases?  LOL

http://blog.bioethics.net/2005/03/new-living-will-form.html

Hugs,

CatNipped
kaeli - 08 Apr 2005 19:36 GMT
> Did I make that ^^^ clear enough that this was off topic so that people
> won't be forced to read it if they don't want to???  ;>
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>
> http://blog.bioethics.net/2005/03/new-living-will-form.html

OMG, too funny!!

*sure, now my co-workers KNOW I'm slacking!! LOL*
...at least they found it funny, too... *heh*

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bookbug2005 - 08 Apr 2005 19:47 GMT
>CatNipped   Apr 8, 11:23 am     show options

>Did I make that ^^^ clear enough that this was off topic so >that
people
>won't be forced to read it if they don't want to???  ;>

>Also, note - THIS IS NOT A COMMENTARY BY ME JUST >SOMETHING I FOUND
AMUSING!

>There, did I cover all bases?  LOL

>http://blog.bioethics.net/2005­/03/new-living-will-form.html

I thoroughly enjoyed this!  Thanks for sharing--off topic or not.
Seriously, it's something everyone should consider.

I was going to say more, but then my remarks on the subject are
probably more appropriate to another newsgroup.  :-)

Michelle
Mathew Kagis - 08 Apr 2005 20:16 GMT
> Did I make that ^^^ clear enough that this was off topic so that people
> won't be forced to read it if they don't want to???  ;>
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> CatNipped
>
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I loved it... Thanks.   Did anyone forward the link to the White House?
Mathew
Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat
En Vino Veritas

Joe Canuck - 08 Apr 2005 20:38 GMT
> Did I make that ^^^ clear enough that this was off topic so that people
> won't be forced to read it if they don't want to???  ;>

There are groups for posts considered off-topic in other groups.

> Also, note - THIS IS NOT A COMMENTARY BY ME JUST SOMETHING I FOUND AMUSING!

But, you have already commented that you found it amusing. So it is a
commentary.

> There, did I cover all bases?  LOL
>
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>
> CatNipped
kaeli - 08 Apr 2005 20:56 GMT
> > Did I make that ^^^ clear enough that this was off topic so that people
> > won't be forced to read it if they don't want to???  ;>
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> But, you have already commented that you found it amusing. So it is a
> commentary.

And I thought *I* had too much time on my hands.
Go figure.

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Mary - 08 Apr 2005 21:12 GMT
> > Did I make that ^^^ clear enough that this was off topic so that people
> > won't be forced to read it if they don't want to???  ;>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> But, you have already commented that you found it amusing. So it is a
> commentary.

Are your shorts too tight, Joe?
Just Conservative - 10 Apr 2005 18:03 GMT
Mary said
> "Joe Canuck" wrote

> > > Did I make that ^^^ clear enough that this
> > > was off topic so that people won't be
> > > forced to read it if they don't want to???  ;>

> > There are groups for posts considered
> > off-topic in other groups.

> > > Also, note - THIS IS NOT A COMMENTARY BY ME JUST
> > > SOMETHING I FOUND AMUSING!
> >
> > But, you have already commented that you found
> > it amusing. So it is a commentary.

> Are your shorts too tight, Joe?

What if ya had to live with someone like that?  
Egads.
Pity his children!  

...no, this is NOT funny.  

sorry
Just Conservative - 10 Apr 2005 18:17 GMT
In <1112991170.25bf47dc33e43d6807f08b34aa3e32c8@teranews>
On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 16:12:47 -0400, Mary said

> Are your shorts too tight, Joe?

I have a book for Joe.

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You are welcome, Joe.
Just Conservative - 10 Apr 2005 19:28 GMT


Re: [OT] WARNING OFF TOPIC - POLITICAL (SORT OF) - Humor, Living
Will

Mary said

> > Are your shorts too tight, Joe?
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>    "... Dyer shows how you can take charge of
> yourself and manage how much you ..."

Chapter 7

?There are no rules, laws, or traditions that apply
universally?including this one.?

?The world is full of ?shoulds? that people apply to their
behavior without evaluation, and the total of these shoulds make
up a very large erroneous zone.?

?Nothing is absolute. There are no rules or laws which always
make sense or provide the greatest amount of good for all
occasions.   Flexibility is a far greater virtue, and yet you may
find it difficult, indeed impossible, to break an unserviceable
law or violate absurd tradition.?

?A should is unhealthy only when it gets in the way of healthy
and effective behavior.   If you find yourself doing annoying or
otherwise counterproductive things which are the result of a
should, you have renounced your freedom of choice and are
allowing yourself to be controlled by some external force.?

   Internal versus External Focus of Control

?It is has been estimated that a full seventy-five percent of the
people in our culture are more external than internal in their
personality orientation.   This means that the chances are that
you fit into this category more often than you don?t. What does
it mean to be ?external? in your focus of control?   Essentially,
you are external if you assign responsibility for your emotional
state in your present moments to someone or something external to
yourself.   Thus, if you were to be asked the question, ?Why do
you feel bad?? and you responded with answers like ??My parents
mistreat me,? ?She hurt my feelings,? ?My friends don?t like me,?
?My luck is down,? or ?Things just aren?t going well,? you would
be in this external category. Conversely, if you were asked why
you are so happy, and you responded: ?My friends treat me well,?
?My luck has changed,? ?Nobody is bugging me,? or ?She came
through for me,? you are still in the external frame, assigning
responsibility for how you feel to someone or something outside
of you.?

?The internal focus of control person puts the responsibility for
how he feels squarely on his own shoulders, and this person is
indeed rare in our culture. When asked the same questions, he
responds with internally oriented answers such as: ?I tell myself
the wrong things,? ?I put too much emphasis on what others say,?
?I worry about what someone else thinks,? ?I?m not strong enough
now to avoid being unhappy,? and ?I don?t have the skills to keep
me from being miserable.? Similarly, when the
internally-put-together person is up, he responds with ?I?
references such as ?I worked hard at being happy,? ?I made things
work for me,? I?m telling myself the right things,? ?I?m in
charge of me, and this is where I choose to be.? Thus, you have
one-fourth of the people taking responsibility for their own
feelings, and three-fourths bestowing blame on external
sources?Virtually all shoulds and traditions are imposed on
external sources. That is, they come from someone or something
outside of yourself. If you are loaded with shoulds and unable to
break conventions which are prescribed by others, then you are in
the external bag.?

?You can never find self-fulfillment if you persist in permitting
yourself to be controlled by external forces or persist in
thinking that you are controlled by external forces.
  Being effective does not mean eliminating all of the problems
in your life. It does mean moving your focus of control from the
external to the internal.   In that way you make yourself
responsible for everything that you experience emotionally.
  You are not a robot, running your life through a maze, filled
up with other people?s rules and regulations that don?t even make
sense to you.?

Blaming and Hero Worship: Opposite Ends of the Same Externally
Directed Behavior

?Blame is a neat little device that you can use when ever you
don?t want to take responsibility for something in your life. It
is the refuge of the externally oriented person.?
Mary - 08 Apr 2005 21:16 GMT
> Did I make that ^^^ clear enough that this was off topic so that people
> won't be forced to read it if they don't want to???  ;>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> http://blog.bioethics.net/2005/03/new-living-will-form.html

I love it! "If I fail to sit up and ask for a beer!" :)
Just Conservative - 10 Apr 2005 17:41 GMT
CatNipped said
> There, did I cover all bases?  LOL
>
> http://blog.bioethics.net/2005/03/new-living-will-form.html

===========it says in part:
===========
March 23, 2005
The New Living Will Form
I'm thinking that Bill Allen's proposal for a living will is maybe a good
idea for me, you and everybody else with fear of the Bush administration a
sense of humor.

   I received this today from a member of our hospital staff with whom i
have not spoken about my idea the other day.

   Florida - Living Will
   I, _________________________ (fill in the blank), being of sound mind
and body, unequivocally declare that in the event of a catastrophic injury,
I do not wish to be kept alive indefinitely by artificial means. I hereby
instruct my loved ones and relatives to remove all life-support systems,
once it has been determined that my brain is longer functioning in a
cognizant realm. However, that judgment should be made only after thorough
consultation with medical experts; i.e., individuals who actually have been
trained, educated and certified as doctors.

   Under no circumstances -- and I can't state this too strongly -- should
my fate be put in the hands of peckerwood politicians who couldn't pass
ninth-grade biology if their lives depended on it. Furthermore, it is my
firm hope that, when the time comes, any discussion about terminating my
medical treatment should remain private and confidential.

   Living in Florida, however, I am acutely aware that the legislative and
executive branches of state government are fond of meddling in family
matters, and have little concern for the privacy and dignity of
individuals.

   Therefore, I wish to make my views on this subject as clear and
unambiguous as possible. Recognizing that some politicians seem cerebrally
challenged themselves (and with no medical excuse), I'll try to keep this
simple and to the point:

   1. While remaining sensitive to the feelings of loved ones who might
cling to hope for my recovery, let me state that if a reasonable amount of
time passes -- say, ____ (fill in the blank) months -- and I fail to sit
sit up and ask for a cold beer, it should be presumed that I won't ever get
better. When such a determination is reached, I hereby instruct my spouse,
children and attending physicians to pull the plug, reel in the tubes and
call it a day.
   2. Under no circumstances shall the members of the Legislature enact a
special law to keep me on life-support machinery. It is my wish that these
boneheads mind their own damn business, and pay attention instead to the
health, education and future of the millions of Floridians who aren't in a
permanent coma.
   3. Under no circumstances shall the governor of Florida butt into this
case and order my doctors to put a feeding tube down my throat. I don't
care how many fundamentalist votes he's trying to scrounge for his brother
in 2004, it is my wish that he plays politics with someone else's life and
leaves me to die in peace.
   4. I couldn't care less if a hundred religious zealots send e-mails to
legislators in which they pretend to care about me. I don't know
these....snip

/////////////=================another one:

   Living will is the best revenge
   By ROBERT FRIEDMAN, Perspective Editor
   Published March 27, 2005

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

   Like many of you, I have been compelled by recent events
to prepare a more detailed advance directive dealing with
end-of-life issues. Here's what mine says:

* In the event I lapse into a persistent vegetative state,
I want medical authorities to resort to extraordinary means
to prolong my hellish semiexistence.    
Fifteen years wouldn't be long enough for me.

* I want my wife and my parents to compound their misery by
engaging in a bitter and protracted feud that depletes their
emotions and their bank accounts.

* I want my wife to ruin the rest of
her life by maintaining an interminable vigil at my bedside.
I'd be really jealous if she waited less than a decade
to start dating again or otherwise rebuilding a semblance of
a normal life.

* Because I think I would retain my sense of humor even in a
persistent vegetative state, I'd want President Bush - the
same guy who publicly mocked Karla Faye Tucker when signing
off on her death warrant as governor of Texas - to claim
he was intervening in my case because it is always best
  "to err on the side of life."

* I want my case to be turned into a circus by losers and
crackpots from around the country who hope to bring meaning
to their empty lives by investing the same transient emotion
in me that they once reserved for Laci Peterson, Chandra Levy
and that little girl who got stuck in a well.

* I want those crackpots to spread vicious lies about my wife.

* I want to be placed in a hospice where protesters can gather
to bring further grief and disruption to the lives of dozens
of dying patients and families whose stories are sadder than my own.

* I want the people who attach themselves to my case because of their deep
devotion to the sanctity of life to make death threats against any judges,
elected officials or health care professionals who disagree with them.

* I want the medical geniuses and
philosopher kings who populate the Florida Legislature
to ignore me for more than a decade and then turn my case into a
forum for weeks of politically calculated bloviation.

* I want total strangers - oily politicians, maudlin news
anchors, ersatz friars and all other hangers-on - to start
calling me "Bobby," as if they had known me since childhood.

* I'm not insisting on this as part of my directive,
but it would be nice if Congress passed a "Bobby's Law" that
applied only to me and ignored the medical needs
of tens of millions of other Americans without adequate health
coverage.

* Even if the "Bobby's Law" idea doesn't work out, I want Congress -
especially all those self-described conservatives who
claim to believe in
*******     "less government and more freedom" - to  *******
trample on the decisions of doctors, judges and other
experts who actually know something about my case. And I
want members of Congress to launch into an extended debate that
gives them another excuse to
avoid pesky issues such as national security and the economy.

* In particular, I want House Majority Leader Tom DeLay to
use my case as an opportunity to divert the country's
attention from the mounting political
and legal troubles stemming from his slimy misbehavior.

* And I want Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist to make a mockery of his
Harvard medical degree by misrepresenting the details of my case in ways
that might give a boost to his 2008 presidential campaign.

* I want Frist and the rest of the world to judge my medical condition on
the basis of a snippet of dated and demeaning videotape that should have
remained private.

* I want the state Department of Children and Families to step in at the
last moment to take responsibility for my well-being, because nothing bad
could ever happen to anyone under DCF's care.

* And because Gov. Jeb Bush is the smartest and most righteous human
being on the face of the Earth, I want any and all of the
aforementioned directives to be disregarded if the governor
happens to disagree with them.
If he says he knows what's best for me, I won't be in any
position to argue.

=====================//////////

The National GeographicRoper 2002 Global Geographic
Literacy Survey polled more than 3,000 18- to 24-year-olds
in Canada, France, Germany, Great Britain, Italy, Japan,
Mexico, Sweden and the United States.
Sweden scored highest; Mexico, lowest. The U.S. was next to last.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/11/1120_021120_GeoRoperSurvey.html

=================National Geographic Literacy Survey
Survey conducted between May 24 and July 26 2002.durring the
height of the American bombing of Afghanistan?Taliban..
 
              Sample question    1 of 20
     Which of the following ranges contains the correct population of the
United States today?
    Between 10 million and 50 million
   Between 150 million and 350 million
    Between 500 million and 750 million
    Between 1 billion and 2 billion
    I Don?t Know
The current population of the United States is between 150 million and 350
million.
  USA - 25% - last place.     Sweden best -55%.

....................

http://geosurvey.nationalgeographic.com/geosurvey/templates/question_3.html
Sample question  3 of 20
  The Taliban and al Qaeda movements were both based in which country?
    Iraq
    Pakistan
    Israel
    Albania
    Afghanistan
    I Don?t Know

http://geosurvey.nationalgeographic.com/geosurvey/templates/answer_3_3_1.html
USA last place at 58%. Sweeden & G Britain tie for #1 at 84%.

Again, coincedence?
It's almost as if American ignorance is
being cultivated, isn't it?  

Synopsis from World Book Encyclopedia, 1958:
     Fascism's parts:
    1) extreme nationalism, 2) police state, 3) cultivation
    of ignorance, 4) suppression of labor,  5) militarism.  

   "Fascism should more properly be called
  corporatism, since it is the merger
  of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

Think about it.
Words mean something.

The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
The rational change their world view to fit the facts.
 
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