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My cat is a jerk sometimes

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Justin L - 08 Apr 2005 16:54 GMT
Well, I have had Jake for over two months now, and him and Elwood seem
to get along okay most of the time. However, once in a while, Jake
turns into a super-jerk! Elwood will just be laying there, minding his
own business, and Jake decides he doesn't like the way Elwood is fur
is looking, or something. Jake then goes over and starts licking
Elwood, very vigorously it seems. Elwood accepts this for a short
while, but gets fed up pretty quickly, and tries to push Jake away. Of
course, this is NOT acceptable to Jake, and he then pounces on Elwood,
VERY roughly, also trying to bite him it looks like. It doesn't look
like Elwood enjoys this, at least to me. Then an all out fight and
chasing ensues.

This also happens when Elwood is laying in one of the premium sleeping
spots.

The question is, what should I do? Should I break them up, like I have
been doing when they start to get too serious, or should I not get
involved at all? I was to the point of leaving them alone during the
day, but twice I came home and Elwood had some nice scratched on his
face. They are now back to being separated when I am not home (again)
which is really defeating the purpose of me getting the 2nd cat in the
first place.

Ay ideas on how to proceed from here?

Justin
Mary - 08 Apr 2005 17:01 GMT
> Well, I have had Jake for over two months now, and him and Elwood seem
> to get along okay most of the time. However, once in a while, Jake
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> This also happens when Elwood is laying in one of the premium sleeping
> spots.

They are establishing dominance, and it seems natural for Jake,
who is older, to wind up being the dominant one. I used to get
upset at these kinds of things but the fact is, cats are most
comfortable when they have established dominance--even
the submissive cat will be fine--they don't attach the kind
of value judgment we do to such things.

> The question is, what should I do? Should I break them up, like I have
> been doing when they start to get too serious, or should I not get
> involved at all? I was to the point of leaving them alone during the
> day, but twice I came home and Elwood had some nice scratched on his
> face.

If Jake is actually hurting Elwood that is a concern. Have you read about
a product called Feliway? It is expensive, but for some cats can ease
aggression due to territory and dominance issues.
BuZZard - 08 Apr 2005 19:08 GMT
>> Well, I have had Jake for over two months now, and him and Elwood seem
>> to get along okay most of the time. However, once in a while, Jake
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> a product called Feliway? It is expensive, but for some cats can ease
> aggression due to territory and dominance issues.

your answer to everything in the world seems to be drugs Mary.
Justin L - 09 Apr 2005 00:05 GMT
<snip>

>If Jake is actually hurting Elwood that is a concern. Have you read about
>a product called Feliway? It is expensive, but for some cats can ease
>aggression due to territory and dominance issues.

Yes I was trying it before, but I didn't notice a difference other
than making them both sleepy.

I think I may try it again though. If I do, I should keep my windows
closed for it to be effective, right?

Justin
Mary - 09 Apr 2005 00:19 GMT
> <snip>
> >
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> I think I may try it again though. If I do, I should keep my windows
> closed for it to be effective, right?

I have not heard that but it sounds right. I'm sorry you're having so
much trouble with Jake and Elwood. Unbelievably, I just this moment
got the Blues Brothers connection. :)

Anyway, normally the skirmishes that go on are loud and
upsetting but the animals do not really hurt one another. I hope
they settle down soon.
Candace - 09 Apr 2005 22:11 GMT
> I have not heard that but it sounds right. I'm sorry you're having so
> much trouble with Jake and Elwood. Unbelievably, I just this moment
> got the Blues Brothers connection. :)

It's believable.  No one, other than you, said you were bright .

Candace
Mary - 09 Apr 2005 22:29 GMT
> > I have not heard that but it sounds right. I'm sorry you're having so
> > much trouble with Jake and Elwood. Unbelievably, I just this moment
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>
> Candace

I never said I was bright. Not once. Cite!
Candace - 10 Apr 2005 03:09 GMT
> > > I have not heard that but it sounds right. I'm sorry you're having so
> > > much trouble with Jake and Elwood. Unbelievably, I just this moment
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>
> I never said I was bright. Not once. Cite!

Okay, I admit, I embellished (lied).  It was merely an implication.

Candace
Mary - 10 Apr 2005 03:49 GMT
> > > > I have not heard that but it sounds right. I'm sorry you're
> having so
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>
> Okay, I admit, I embellished (lied).  It was merely an implication.

Yes, I know I seem bright, but it is not a claim I ever made.
Karen - 08 Apr 2005 17:05 GMT
I'd just keep distracting them *before* it gets serious. I think by now that
you can tell whether it will escalate or not. Give them both treats or
something.  Eventually, it will even out.

> Well, I have had Jake for over two months now, and him and Elwood seem
> to get along okay most of the time. However, once in a while, Jake
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>
> Justin
Skip Turner - 08 Apr 2005 18:53 GMT
Have you tried suggesting that they put the band back together? This might
distract them AND help save the Penguin's orphanage all at the same time...
Justin L - 09 Apr 2005 00:07 GMT
>Have you tried suggesting that they put the band back together? This might
>distract them AND help save the Penguin's orphanage all at the same time...

I have suggested it, but no luck so far.

poor penguins :(

Justin
Justin L - 09 Apr 2005 00:06 GMT
>I'd just keep distracting them *before* it gets serious. I think by now that
>you can tell whether it will escalate or not. Give them both treats or
>something.  Eventually, it will even out.

Yea, I try to, but I can't always; like when I am asleep or not home.
Hopefully they sort things out soon.

Justin
kaeli - 08 Apr 2005 19:31 GMT
> Well, I have had Jake for over two months now, and him and Elwood seem
> to get along okay most of the time. However, once in a while, Jake
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> like Elwood enjoys this, at least to me. Then an all out fight and
> chasing ensues.

Jeffrey does this to Rowan sometimes, though they don't "fight" fight. No one
draws blood or actually gets hurt. They DO nip each other, but no one cries
and there's never blood or marks. And they're fully clawed.

IMO, forced grooming is a dominance thing. Jeffrey tries to be dominant and
Rowan bitch-slaps him back in place...MOST of the time. LOL
I let them be.

> The question is, what should I do? Should I break them up, like I have
> been doing when they start to get too serious, or should I not get
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> which is really defeating the purpose of me getting the 2nd cat in the
> first place.

Well, my situation is different from yours because no one gets hurt. I left
mine alone to work it out and never separated them, but my cats are all
rather non-confrontational, comparitively speaking.
I think if one of them had scratches or bites when I came home, I'd separate
them, too.

Have a little more patience with the time thing, though. It took Rowan SIX
MONTHS to allow Jeffrey 3 feet from her. Now she actually allows him to groom
her sometimes -- it's been like 2 years now. It didn't happen overnight or
even within a year for them to be almost-friends. They're in a kind of love-
hate relationship.
Isis and Jeffrey, however, LOVE each other. They groom each other, sleep
curled up next to each other, eat together, and all that jazz. It's very
sweet.

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Justin L - 09 Apr 2005 00:10 GMT
>> Well, I have had Jake for over two months now, and him and Elwood seem
>> to get along okay most of the time. However, once in a while, Jake
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>draws blood or actually gets hurt. They DO nip each other, but no one cries
>and there's never blood or marks. And they're fully clawed.

One of them is crying out, but I can't tell which one :(

>IMO, forced grooming is a dominance thing. Jeffrey tries to be dominant and
>Rowan bitch-slaps him back in place...MOST of the time. LOL
>I let them be.

That's what I was figuring, but I don't know why Elwood won't give up,
and just let him already!

>> The question is, what should I do? Should I break them up, like I have
>> been doing when they start to get too serious, or should I not get
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>curled up next to each other, eat together, and all that jazz. It's very
>sweet.

aw! Hopefully my two end up like that eventually!

Justin
.oO rach Oo. - 10 Apr 2005 13:12 GMT
My two cats do this too. The youngest will start licking the older cat and
you just know that it isn't  a regular love lick. Just like your two... soon
a bit of a fight breaks out and the chasing etc.

I would say as long as there is no blood flying a simple STOP IT!!! works
here or yelling BE NICE!! that usually shocks them back into being good. I
think what it is is, one wants to play or just pester the other one. If you
go out, I would separate them for a little while and gradually leave them
alone for short times. It eventually works where they can be left together
all the time.

Introducing a second cat takes time (as I am sure you are aware) and there
WILL come the day where they will love one another's company all the time...
well most of the time... just like people :)

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> Well, I have had Jake for over two months now, and him and Elwood seem
> to get along okay most of the time. However, once in a while, Jake
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>
> Justin
 
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