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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / September 2003I was new here but....
And am totally amazed at how both IBen, Cat Protector and some others need a good old fashioned spanking. Never have I heard children bicker so much as I have here. In the two days I have been reading I have learned a lot. I figure since I will mostly lurk from this posting on I will say what this newcomer saw when joining. 1. Iben, even if you are upset there is no need to use the language you do. You can relate your feelings and opinions on an issue without having to resort to swearing. To do so shows a lack of control. 2. Cat Protector, please do tell me what books on cats you have written so that I can read them. Below you say for Iben to admit he is incorrect about everything...does this mean you are right about everything? I am not saying IBen is right about every comment he makes but by the same token to say he is incorrect about everything is well.. in your own words "dense". 3. I read the post about the 4 am wake up and found Ibens' comments fine and correct as I had a similar problem. I shut my bedroom door when my one male cat starts crying. He has the run of the rest of the house (total of 6 rooms to play in) , his food and litter available. Would you like to call me dense too Cat Protector?? Wish to call me incorrect and wrong because I agree with IBen on this one issue? Oh make that two issues... I have yet to see any proof from you on how ALL he says is incorrect. He at least adds the exact text of things said in previous posts to back up his claims. I have yet to see you do that. Prove him wrong... in the short time I have been here I have seen you do nothing of the sort. Maybe the challenge you made should be for you? Better yet why not keep this forum about cats and you both leave? : ) 4. I read threads with comments about cats not being pack animals but am bewildered by those who have 6 cats and a dog while taking in another stray. All while living in a two bedroom apartment. If cats are not pack animals why are you subjecting them to a lifestyle that is not natural and of course not healthy? There is a word for people like that. Collectors. Just an hour on animal planet now and then will show what happens when you take in too many cats to a home! 5. I read the posts about this accident IBen talked about. I was totally amazed how little concern there was about the children hurt. Poor ducks, blame Iben, but the truth of the matter is that the person who caused the accident made a choice. We all make that choice when driving. If no one is around I swerve to miss an animal too... but not if cars or people are around. I could not hurt another human being. I treasure life. All life. But I will not avoid hurting one to just hurt another. Either way the wrong is done. The fact is, what you can live with? Knowing that the squirrel that darted into the road is alive while children lay in pain and scared on a hospital bed? The squirrel made it's choice to run out in front of a car. The children had no choice in what happened to them. 6. IBen, using terms like yellow cowards and suckers doesn't make people think highly of you. I know their opinions (or mine) mean nothing to you. But to be taken seriously one must conduct one's self seriously from time to time. I expect some of them just like to get you going to see what else you will say. I can't wait to see what names you call me : ) In short, I came with a actual problem but have decided to lurk here and pick out while little bits of wisdom that pop up. I see people spending more time talking about who knows best and who is wrong then actually addressing problems in an intelligent, educated manner. When two people disagree instead of talking about the two sides it becomes a slug fest of insults. To those of you who have been voicing your opinion without jumping into the personality clashes I have seen here...Good show! Now off I go to call the vet about this problem my kitty has. I really don't have time to sort through a mass of complaining just to get the information I need. Good luck, safe journey and Bright Blessings to you all, signed, a disappointed cat lover > And am totally amazed at how both IBen, Cat Protector and some others need a > good old fashioned spanking. Never have I heard children bicker so much as I > have here. First off, welcome to Usenet and rpch+b. :) It gets like this a lot but you really can glean some good info between the flamewars. > In short, I came with a actual problem but have decided to lurk here and pick > out while little bits of wisdom that pop up. I hear ya... I don't get much help anymore either. :( > > And am totally amazed at how both IBen, Cat Protector and some others need > a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > First off, welcome to Usenet and rpch+b. :) It gets like this a lot but > you really can glean some good info between the flamewars. That's what a killfile is for. Killfile the idiot who trolls and any who respond to him overmuch. It gets nice and peaceful after that. ------------------------------------------------- ~kaeli~ Hey, if you got it flaunt it! If you don't, stare at someone who does. Just don't lick the TV screen, it leaves streaks. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace ------------------------------------------------- How do I do this killfile? This is all new to me so please be patient with me. hehe : ) >>>And am totally amazed at how both IBen, Cat Protector and some others need >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace > ------------------------------------------------- What newsreader are you using? With that information, I'm sure someone can give you step-by-step instructions on how to block (or killfile) any particular poster.  SignatureThe ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)? http://www.geocities.com/the_magic_mood_jeep/ http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep > How do I do this killfile? This is all new to me so please be patient with me. > hehe : ) [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace > > ------------------------------------------------- I am using Mozilla. I will try to have my husband show me how to block tonight so I can finally ask some questions of you good people! : ) Thanks, DP Magic Mood Jeep© wrote: > What newsreader are you using? With that information, I'm sure someone can > give you step-by-step instructions on how to block (or killfile) any > particular poster. > I am using Mozilla. I will try to have my husband show me how to block tonight > so I can finally ask some questions of you good people! : ) Go get a real newsreader, like Gravity or Agent. It's often free or lowprice shareware. http://www.islandnet.com/~tmc/html/articles/usentnws.htm ------------------------------------------------- ~kaeli~ Hey, if you got it flaunt it! If you don't, stare at someone who does. Just don't lick the TV screen, it leaves streaks. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace ------------------------------------------------- kaeli spaketh... > Go get a real newsreader, like Gravity or Agent. > It's often free or lowprice shareware. or http://xnews.newsguy.com/ SignatureMcQualude Nice to know I am not alone! : ) DP >>And am totally amazed at how both IBen, Cat Protector and some others need > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > I hear ya... I don't get much help anymore either. :( I have not written books on cats but I have gotten involved with cat rescue as well as have an Internet radio and TV station for cats. I have read plenty about them and have the experience needed to back my claims up. Iben has nothing and despite every source mentioned to dispute his claims he still insists that those in rescue or those who have written books are wrong about cats and that he is the supreme authority on knowing everything about them. Yes, I wish to call you wrong on this issue. I think anyone who follows Iben in his idiocy on here has been mis-informed. If you want to be one of his followers then that is your choice but I don't condone any kind of behavior that harms cats including de-clawing. I have offered proof to back up my claims and yet you seem to claim that Iben has offered proof to back up his. In fact, a lot of people have offered proof on here but Iben insists he is right. The only support he has offered is saying his wife will back him up on everything has posted. I highly doubt his wife is a credible source here. You can say what you want but Iben is 100% wrong and seems to come on here now to troll. I am now going to killfile him because he simply isn't worth listening to. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > 2. Cat Protector, please do tell me what books on cats you have written so that > I can read them. Below you say for Iben to admit he is incorrect about [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > challenge you made should be for you? Better yet why not keep this forum about > cats and you both leave? : ) > I have not written books on cats but I have gotten involved with cat rescue > as well as have an Internet radio and TV station for cats. I have read [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > about cats and that he is the supreme authority on knowing everything about > them. I see. So you do know everything and we all should just follow you? Everyone has a diffrent opinion. My point WAS just because he might be wrong on one issue does not mean he is wrong in EVERYTHING he says. You are obviously blinded by your hate and anger for him, to see when he actually does come up with a vaild point. There may be plenty of people who have written books who might say you are wrong on some issues. Unless you are mature enough to see WE ALL are right and wrong now and then you are no better then him. To comment on him acting like "he is the supreme authority on knowing everything about them" ... are you not doing the same in the way you portray yourself? After all to have a cat station and radio you are better then me, right? > Yes, I wish to call you wrong on this issue. I think anyone who follows Iben > in his idiocy on here has been mis-informed. If you want to be one of his > followers then that is your choice Seems you do not read well. I never said I follow IBen nor would I follow him. To say that would be jumping to a conclusion. Not to mention trying to cause trouble where there was none. Just because someone agrees with one of his points does, by no means, make them IBen followers or IBen wannabes. I never claimed he was a bouquet of flowers either or did you miss my comments on him? but I don't condone any kind of behavior > that harms cats including de-clawing. I do not condone de clawing cats and happen to think it's a terrible practice. My cats have all their claws just as nature wanted them. However I am smart enough to see both sides of a story and know that crying about my beliefs 24 hours a day will not change the people like him it only makes them more resolved. You change people's opinions by teaching.... not righteous indignation. I have offered proof to back up my > claims and yet you seem to claim that Iben has offered proof to back up his. > In fact, a lot of people have offered proof on here but Iben insists he is > right. As for offering proof I can just go by what I have seen. And that has been IBen made a vaild point in his post about the 4am issue only to get slammed from others . If you have a valid opposing view then state it like an adult. Calling each other names is a waste of time and creates unwanted spam for those looking for help. You say he is wrong 100 percent all of the time. He leaves a cat in a room with water, food, litter and enough of a player area just to get some sleep... and this is wrong? Well I am waiting on the proof. Show me how terrible people we are for doing this...and the rest of you out there reading think about it... how on earth is this bad? Heck if its bad so is school for kids, not to mention day care for babys, and kennels where they use small cages for animals. Anything where people are kept in small area for a small amount of time. My cat spends tops an hour outside my bedroom door. He has access to the whole house and garage minus one bedroom/bathroom.... how is that cruel to the cat? To me you are showing no proof to Shaz or the rest of the group when you said not to trust IBen, it's just your opinion based off previous issues. Again you cannot see when he might even have a valid point. The only support he has offered is saying his wife will back him up > on everything has posted. I highly doubt his wife is a credible source here. > You can say what you want but Iben is 100% wrong and seems to come on here > now to troll. I am now going to killfile him because he simply isn't worth > listening to. If he is 100 percent wrong dear then so are you. You are two people cut from the same cloth. You seem to think I like him or admire him... truth is I think you both are nutters and need to be locked away from all computers. : ) But then again what do I know... I am just someone who came to this forum for HELP only to find myself slammed when I pointed out how immature and counter productive you BOTH are. : ) DISCLAIMER TO REST OF THE FORUM: Sorry folks I did not mean to rustle feathers but their bickering is very annoying and spamms me with "dense this" "sucker that". I just wanted to talk with down to earth regular people. People who care about their cats and can carry on a civilized conversation. If anyone can suggest a forum where I can find this I would greatly appreciate it. I am too old for these types of forums where people cannot at least try to be opened minded. Sorry again. DP P.S. to those down to earth people...as I was proof reading this post outloud my lovely grey long haired jumped up and mew'd at the computer screen...he did it the first time I posted too. Now he is just curling up with me and purring contently. Oh how they make the world melt away and warm a persons heart eh? : ) You seem to think I like him or admire him... > truth is I think you both are nutters and need to be locked away > from all computers. : ) I AGREE WITH THIS POST!!1! > P.S. to those down to earth people...as I was proof reading this > post outloud my lovely grey long haired jumped up and mew'd at the > computer screen...he did it the first time I posted too. Now he is > just curling up with me and purring contently. Oh how they make > the world melt away and warm a persons heart eh? : ) This is true. Cats are very intuitive beings and we would be missing so much if we didn't have them as part of our family. I think this is partly why people here get very passionate about some arguments; we want the best for them. I know I kept using the word we, but "I" didn't seem to fit in this. Well put, DP. I pretty much ignore Cat Protector as he has a tendency to give human qualities to cats, more so than most people (to the extent of implying that a cat can understand what his/her name MEANS?!!?), and also because of his habit of 'arguing' with people, not always in a civilized manner. He does occasionally give some good advice. I also ignore Iben - mainly because he usually gives bad advice and never backs it up, and also because he comes off as a close-minded individual who NEVER wants to hear an opinion that differs than his. SignatureThe ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)? http://www.geocities.com/the_magic_mood_jeep/ http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep > And am totally amazed at how both IBen, Cat Protector and some others need a > good old fashioned spanking. Never have I heard children bicker so much as I [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > signed, > a disappointed cat lover Thanks : ) I will keep that in mind and nice to meet you! : ) I have a feeling once I put them both on some sort of ignore I will feel much better.... now just how to do that : ) Magic Mood Jeep© wrote: > Well put, DP. I pretty much ignore Cat Protector as he has a tendency to > give human qualities to cats, more so than most people (to the extent of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > backs it up, and also because he comes off as a close-minded individual who > NEVER wants to hear an opinion that differs than his. >From: DP diamondpure@hotmail.com >Thanks : ) I will keep that in mind and nice to meet you! : ) >I have a feeling once I put them both on some sort of ignore I will feel much > >better.... now just how to do that : ) Yes, Iben is definitely one you want to put in your killfile. I'm not sure what program you use to read the newsgroup, but there should be something in there to filter users out. If all else fails, you can always click on the help and then type in "filter" and see if that helps. Anyway, welcome to the group. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm Thanks for the welcome. I will get my husband to take a look for the filters as he just walked in the door. : ) DP >>From: DP diamondpure@hotmail.com > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html > Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > In short, I came with a actual problem but have decided to lurk here and pick > out while little bits of wisdom that pop up. I see people spending more time > talking about who knows best and who is wrong then actually addressing problems > in an intelligent, educated manner. When two people disagree instead of talking > about the two sides it becomes a slug fest of insults. I used to be a regular poster in this newsgroup and am convinced that some people in this newsgroup actually THRIVE on the arguing and love it. Then you have those people who have real low self esteem and make themselves feel better by using mostly insults in their arguing. Then you have arguments that tend to subtly say "I have the bigger dick!!!! I do, I do!", typically with the participants being male (they do say that when males use conversation with each other, it's for the purpose of showing dominance and not much else). Anyway, such is life. If humans didn't enjoy conflict you wouldn't have arguments like these perpetuating themselves over and over again. Kelly (...) > I used to be a regular poster in this newsgroup and am convinced that some > people in this newsgroup actually THRIVE on the arguing and love it. Replace 'this newsgroup' with 'every newsgroup'. > Then you have arguments > that tend to subtly say "I have the bigger dick!!!! I do, I do!", typically > with the participants being male (they do say that when males use > conversation with each other, it's for the purpose of showing dominance and > not much else). Oh yes, indeed. In fact, I just asked a mate of mine if he fancied popping out for a beer. That certainly showed him who's boss! Steve. > (...) > > > > I used to be a regular poster in this newsgroup and am convinced that some > > people in this newsgroup actually THRIVE on the arguing and love it. > > Replace 'this newsgroup' with 'every newsgroup'. Riiight... yes of course.... every newsgroup. > > Then you have arguments > > that tend to subtly say "I have the bigger dick!!!! I do, I do!", typically [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Oh yes, indeed. In fact, I just asked a mate of mine if he fancied > popping out for a beer. That certainly showed him who's boss! Ah ha but what is your motivation for going out for a beer? Certainly to determine who can successfully pick up that pretty blonde across the bar. But alas, I digress since this is a cat newsgroup. Kelly You can learn a lot here - plenty of good info, advice, & also opinions pro & con various issues, but have to just sort of pick your way around the posts/posters that/who you know will either drive you nuts &/or aren't worth reading. Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon > And am totally amazed at how both IBen, Cat Protector and some others need a > good old fashioned spanking. Never have I heard children bicker so much as I [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > signed, > a disappointed cat lover > And am totally amazed at how both IBen, Cat Protector and some others need a > good old fashioned spanking. Wagging your finger does nothing to solve the flame wars. Killfile people and you will be much happier. <snip> > 4. I read threads with comments about cats not being pack animals but am > bewildered by those who have 6 cats and a dog while taking in another stray. >All [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > animal planet now and then will show what happens when you take in too many >cats > to a home! "Collecting" is a well-documented mental condition, and the term shouldn't be used so flippantly. While some people may have different choices than you do in regard to animal husbandry, keeping a large number orf animals isn't necessarily indicative that the person is a collector. <snip> > Now off I go to call the vet about this problem my kitty has. I really don't > have time to sort through a mass of complaining just to get the information I need. Then Usenet isn't the place for you. Besides, a newsgroup is a poor substitute for a professional medical opinion. > Good luck, safe journey and Bright Blessings to you all, > > signed, > a disappointed cat lover Sorry you are disappointed. There are actually quite a few great posters in here. I have learned a lot from many. -L. >>And am totally amazed at how both IBen, Cat Protector and some others need a >>good old fashioned spanking. > > Wagging your finger does nothing to solve the flame wars. Killfile > people and you will be much happier. Sorry you see it that way. As for killfile I just learned that today and believe me I plan to use it. > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > number orf animals isn't necessarily indicative that the person is a > collector. I do understand the term and don't feel I used it flippantly. Sorry you felt I did. As such is the world everyone is entitled to their own opinion. > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Then Usenet isn't the place for you. Besides, a newsgroup is a poor > substitute for a professional medical opinion. I guess that is up for me to decide if it's for me or not. And you are right about any newsgroup being a poor substitute for professional help... but considering I did not ask for such advice from here it's a mute point isn't it? >>Good luck, safe journey and Bright Blessings to you all, >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > -L. I plan to learn what I can also. Now that I have learned to use the ignore it's becoming a much nicer place. Bye -L. : ) > >>And am totally amazed at how both IBen, Cat Protector and some others need a > >>good old fashioned spanking. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > about any newsgroup being a poor substitute for professional help... but > considering I did not ask for such advice from here it's a mute point isn't it? Apparently not - you are the one who said: "Now off I go to call the vet about this problem my kitty has. I really don't have time to sort through a mass of complaining just to get the information I need." You are complaining that the ng sucks at providing "information". My point was, if you are seeking information - especially for a "problem" - a newsgroup isn't the best place to go, in the first place. -L. > And am totally amazed at how both IBen, Cat Protector and some others need a > good old fashioned spanking. Never have I heard children bicker so much as I > have here. Learning to use the filters on your news reader greatly improves the USENET experience. Yep just learned how today and already have put them to use. Thank you all for the help in getting this done! DP >>And am totally amazed at how both IBen, Cat Protector and some others need a >>good old fashioned spanking. Never have I heard children bicker so much as I >>have here. > > Learning to use the filters on your news reader greatly improves the USENET > experience. > 4. I read threads with comments about cats not being pack animals but am > bewildered by those who have 6 cats and a dog while taking in another stray. All [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > animal planet now and then will show what happens when you take in too many cats > to a home! *hehe* I have seven cats in a one-bedroom apartment. Though five of them are fosters and I'm trying to figure out how to adopt the longest resident despite that making it three owned by me, which would be one over what my lease allows. I have thought of fostering before myself but our local area doesn't have much setup. I would set it up myself but the locals aren't alway keen on letting outsiders do new things. : ) We got our first kittens several years ago when we lived in a small two bedroom apartment. Our lease said no animals at all but we snuck them in. We couldn't refuse taking two little ones in and watching them grow. Years later and now we are in a house and two more littles ones have come to us. I think it's great that you want to keep the one you have had the longest. As the years pass we all become emotionally attached. That's how my last two ended up staying. :) My point in what I said was not so much about someone like you, I just have knowen a few people (nice people w/ good hearts - got to say that they were family :) ) who started with a stray cat , a dropped off bird here and a rescued dog overthere. These people meant well and but sometimes you have to say no. Thankfully the original poster of "abandoned cat" has reached that point and has decided to find the poor kitty a good home. Believe me when you are feeding four people, 3 dogs, a gaggle of ducks and geese (at least 20) , two cockateils and last count 4 cats all on one mans pay check while living in a double wide trailer.... it gets tight. Thankfully I joined that family after their rabbits had died! I no longer belong in that family but I still hold the memory of coy fish in a half completed fish pond floating upside down in my head. Everyone has a limit and Dee reached hers just as I have with my four cats. I guess whenever I hear someone in cramped quarters with so many I just instantly flash back to those days. Sorry if I upset you or Dee. It was not my intention. I admit I let my emotions get the best of me. I hope you both can forgive me. DP >>4. I read threads with comments about cats not being pack animals but am >>bewildered by those who have 6 cats and a dog while taking in another [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > despite that making it three owned by me, which would be one over what my > lease allows. > And am totally amazed at how both IBen, Cat Protector and some others > need a good old fashioned spanking. Never have I heard children bicker > so much as I have here. I have the feeling you may be new to Usenet, ie: the newsgroups, as well. The activities you complain about are common. Some consider it part of the "sport" of Usenet. Some consider it "debating". Take everything you read with a grain of salt and not too seriously. 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