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faielyne - 06 Apr 2005 01:54 GMT
My mom had taken in a young cat about 6 months ago.  After looking
into the costs of keeping her, she was ready to bring her to the
pound.  Thankfully I happened to stop by the night before and my
little brother mentioned it.  She wasn't gonna tell me because I
already had three cats and she knew I'd take her.  She was right.  I
went home with a new kitty.  

So now I am saving the money to get her spayed through C-snip, a low
cost spay and neuter clinic.  It's amazing how many people have
suggested that I just "don't worry about it" since I don't let her
outside.  But she's obviously miserable, not to mention the increased
health risks.  I explain this to anyone who thinks not getting her
spayed is an option.  

But let me finally get to my point. . .  In the meantime, she is in
heat and not at all comfortable.  So I was looking online for
information about female cats in heat and any possible products I
could purchase to comfort her a little bit until I can get her to the
clinic.  I came across some very absurd sounding things.  I just
wanted to know if what I read was for real?  Or are people just weird?

The first thing I read had to do with a Q-tip.  I'm not going into
detail here, use your imagination.  

The next thing said that if you hold the scruff of her neck with one
hand and run your fingers along her spine til you find where her tail
starts, you can press some spot next to the tail that will cause her
to release eggs and give her relief for about an hour or longer.  

At least that one didn't seem like some form of sexual abuse.  

The recommendations were for breeders who don't get their cats spayed
for obvious reasons.  

Are these suggestions actual practices?  I don't know.

Thanks.
Karen - 06 Apr 2005 02:00 GMT
> My mom had taken in a young cat about 6 months ago.  After looking
> into the costs of keeping her, she was ready to bring her to the
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>
> Thanks.

I think you just have to wait it out. I wouldn't try either of those
methods.
faielyne - 06 Apr 2005 02:43 GMT
>I think you just have to wait it out. I wouldn't try either of those
>methods.

Oh, I wouldn't.  They seem horrible.  I just wondered whether anyone
else had heard of these actually being used.  If anything, I might try
Feliway pheremones.  But that costs a lot.  I'd probably be better off
saving the money for the Spay.  I just wish I could do something for
her.  
Mary - 06 Apr 2005 04:37 GMT
> >I think you just have to wait it out. I wouldn't try either of those
> >methods.
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> saving the money for the Spay.  I just wish I could do something for
> her.

How much is a spay there?
zuzu22@webtv.net - 06 Apr 2005 02:58 GMT
Find someone (friend, relative, etc.) to lend you the money so you can
get her spayed ASAP.  Maybe your mother will chip in.  Something to
consider though, is this: if you have to save up for a *low-cost* spay,
how are you going to afford vet care for 4 cats? What if there is an
emergency? You can't "save up" when one happens.  

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faielyne - 06 Apr 2005 04:54 GMT
The reason I have to save up is because of the emergencies and medical
bills I've already paid for my cats.  I know well what it can cost
when an emergency happens.  I've been a responsible pet owner for the
last 16 years.  That is how old my oldest is.  I don't need lectures
about what it costs to take care of them.  I'm a single adult with no
children and most of my money goes toward them.  I have one cat with
FLUTD who has to eat prescription food or we end up in the emergency
vet clinic at $800.00 a pop.  I've done that twice now.  I have
another cat who had to have a toy's eye removed from his stomach.
Then we tore the entire apartment apart looking for the other eye. but
we couldn't.  He knew right where it was though and we went back two
weeks later.  $600.00 each time.  Melampus, the oldest, got his back
claw stuck in the wall while jumping down from the shelf he was
sitting.  He tore it half off before we could get him out.  The
amputation of his toe, $540.00.  And just a month and a half ago, the
sweet little cat I had rescued had to be put to sleep because she was
sick.  They believe it was probably Feline Leukemia.  When I got her I
had her dewormed and tested for Leukemia as well as FIV.  Both tests
were negative and the vet ok'd her to go home to my other babies.  She
got her shots as well as her boosters.  She was also spayed.  When she
got sick, the vet told me that there are instances when the Leukemia
is in the bone and doesn't show up in the blood test.  Then she sent
me home to bleach and disinfect everything Aja had touched.  All of
the vet costs plus the cost of euthanasia probably ended up being
about 300 or more.

When I decided to bring Freida home with me, I thought about all of
this.  I know she needs to be spayed.  I don't go out looking for
cats.  But I'm also not gonna walk past one that needs a place to stay
and something to eat.  I coulda just let my mom take her to the pound,
but I had a friend who worked there once and they euthanize at the
drop of a frickin hat.  He told me of two different instances where an
animal had come in and the same day someone came in to browse, only to
call the next day to see if the animal was still available and find it
was already too late.  

My mom had called around to the places that promise not to euthanize
as well, but they were full and would probably be so for awhile.  So
while I see where you are coming from, please know that I do my best
by my cats.  They are my babies.  Right now, though unspayed, Freida
is alive and loved and well fed.  She isn't hungry or pregnant or
dead.  So I could've done a lot worse by her.

>Find someone (friend, relative, etc.) to lend you the money so you can
>get her spayed ASAP.  Maybe your mother will chip in.  Something to
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>
>- W.H. Murray
Mary - 06 Apr 2005 05:16 GMT
> The reason I have to save up is because of the emergencies and medical
> bills I've already paid for my cats.  I know well what it can cost
> when an emergency happens.  I've been a responsible pet owner for the
> last 16 years.  That is how old my oldest is.  I don't need lectures
> about what it costs to take care of them.

Blow Megan off, she always comes off this way, you don't
even have to be new to the group.

How much does spaying cost where you are? I might have
an idea for you. Email me if you like.
Mathew Kagis - 06 Apr 2005 06:12 GMT
Have you considered medical insurance for your cats?  I use PetPlan. the
cost is (this is in Canadian $$$)  $16.50 per cat per month. there's a
$100.00 deductable, after that it covers everything (except mandatory shots)
up to $2000.00 per year.
Just a thought.
Here's their website, if you're interested.

www.petplan.com

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-L. - 06 Apr 2005 08:36 GMT
> The reason I have to save up is because of the emergencies and medical
> bills I've already paid for my cats.  I know well what it can cost
> when an emergency happens.  I've been a responsible pet owner for the
> last 16 years.  That is how old my oldest is.  I don't need lectures
> about what it costs to take care of them.

How do we know this based soley on your first post?  Megan asked a
relevant question - many people get pets without considering what they
cost.  Don't take it personally.

>I'm a single adult with no
> children and most of my money goes toward them.  I have one cat with
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> the vet costs plus the cost of euthanasia probably ended up being
> about 300 or more.

Wow - sorry you have had such bad luck, and that your poor kitty had to
be euthanized.  That's heartbreaking.

> When I decided to bring Freida home with me, I thought about all of
> this.  I know she needs to be spayed.  I don't go out looking for
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> call the next day to see if the animal was still available and find it
> was already too late.

Sadly, in some shelters, that's true.

> My mom had called around to the places that promise not to euthanize
> as well, but they were full and would probably be so for awhile.  So
> while I see where you are coming from, please know that I do my best
> by my cats.  They are my babies.  Right now, though unspayed, Freida
> is alive and loved and well fed.  She isn't hungry or pregnant or
> dead.  So I could've done a lot worse by her.

Sounds like you are a good cat guardian.  I hope you can find some way
to get her spayed asap.

Good luck,
-L.
zuzu22@webtv.net - 06 Apr 2005 14:22 GMT
>The reason I have to save up is because
>of the emergencies and medical bills I've
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>is. I don't need lectures about what it
>costs to take care of them.
<snip>

There is no need to get to get so defensive. Neither I nor anybody else
here is a mindreader and, based on what you originally wrote, my
questions were perfectly reasonable. I did not "lecture" you and only
showed concern for the cats, again based on what you wrote.  

Megan

                                   
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nothing."

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http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
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"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray


Mary - 06 Apr 2005 17:50 GMT
> >The reason I have to save up is because
> >of the emergencies and medical bills I've
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>
> There is no need to get to get so defensive.

Yes, Megan, there was. That "tone" you have brings
it out in people. It was the thing that turned me off in
the very beginning.

Neither I nor anybody else
> here is a mindreader and, based on what you originally wrote, my
> questions were perfectly reasonable. I did not "lecture" you and only
> showed concern for the cats, again based on what you wrote.

Yes, you did lecture. That is all you ever seem to do.
Mary - 06 Apr 2005 04:28 GMT
> My mom had taken in a young cat about 6 months ago.  After looking
> into the costs of keeping her, she was ready to bring her to the
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> health risks.  I explain this to anyone who thinks not getting her
> spayed is an option.

Good for you. As an aside, I think you might want to find some
new friends.
faielyne - 06 Apr 2005 05:00 GMT
>Good for you. As an aside, I think you might want to find some
>new friends.

My friends didn't give me those suggestions, I read them online.  

Or maybe you meant the ones who suggested I don't get her spayed.
Those were coworkers.  My friends know me better than to suggest
something so dumb, they also won't bring up declawing.  I have trained
everyone I know on the evils of that terrible practice.

Beautiful Pier One chairs. . . $40.00 a piece
Plush Overstuffed Sofa. . .$530.00
The sound of my cats tearing up my furniture. . . horrifying
Knowing that they are happy fully functioning felines. . . priceless.
Mary - 06 Apr 2005 05:12 GMT
> >Good for you. As an aside, I think you might want to find some
> >new friends.
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> The sound of my cats tearing up my furniture. . . horrifying
> Knowing that they are happy fully functioning felines. . . priceless.

I LOVE YOUR SIGNATURE!!!
Mary - 06 Apr 2005 05:17 GMT
> >Good for you. As an aside, I think you might want to find some
> >new friends.
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> Or maybe you meant the ones who suggested I don't get her spayed.
> Those were coworkers.

Yes, that's what I meant.
CatNipped - 06 Apr 2005 15:42 GMT
> My mom had taken in a young cat about 6 months ago.  After looking
> into the costs of keeping her, she was ready to bring her to the
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>
> Are these suggestions actual practices?  I don't know.

*NO*!  Please do *NOT* insert anything into your cat's vagina.  The cotton
from the Q-Tip can become detached and cause infection.

The best thing I know to do for a cat in heat (other than spaying, of
course) is to grab her firmly by the back of the neck and hold her down on
the floor for a minute.  This technique was shown to me by a female cat!
When we first got Jessie she went into heat right before we had her
scheduled to be spayed.  Demi (a year older than Jessie and already spayed)
bit the scruff of Jessie's neck and held her down in "mounting" position -
just like a tom would do to mate with her.  DH and I had a fine time joking
about our little lesbian cat, but were amazed that it worked to shut Jessie
the h*ll up!

Hugs,

CatNipped

> Thanks.
 
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