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ce11ie - 05 Apr 2005 14:21 GMT
Often when my kitty is lounging on my lap or on the couch with me, if
my hands are near his mouth, he will sniff them an then sort of bite
me, but not hard.

Lately, I have been wimpering out loud when he does it to let him know
that it hurts and he will stop usually.  Is this behvior a sign of
affection? His tail is not swishing or anything - in fact he seems
totally relaxed, but I don't know if it's strange or if I should do
something else to indicate that he should stop it.

Thanks in advance.
Paul O. - 05 Apr 2005 15:18 GMT
> Often when my kitty is lounging on my lap or on the couch with me, if
> my hands are near his mouth, he will sniff them an then sort of bite
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>
> Thanks in advance.

My cat does this when laying on my computer desk next to me. Seems to be a
last resort for getting my attention when I try to ignore him. He wants his
head scratched and if  I ignore him long enough after he has tried nuzzling
my hand he resorts to this. I have scolded him several times for this and
now the little bites are more gentle. Also cats do seem to get nippy when
they are content for some reason.
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-L. - 05 Apr 2005 16:00 GMT
> Often when my kitty is lounging on my lap or on the couch with me, if
> my hands are near his mouth, he will sniff them an then sort of bite
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> that it hurts and he will stop usually.  Is this behvior a sign of
> affection?

Yes.  It can also be dominance.  It can also be a warning - "Stop
petting me or you get the big teeth!"  or it could be "Pet me
more,please."  Depends on the cat and the mood - you really just have
to learn what he wants.

>His tail is not swishing or anything - in fact he seems
> totally relaxed, but I don't know if it's strange or if I should do
> something else to indicate that he should stop it.
>
> Thanks in advance.

If you want him to stop, then remove your hand from within biting
distance.  If you yell or scream he is likely to get more excited.
Usually they will just grab on and then let go, though.

-L.
Marcia - 05 Apr 2005 21:13 GMT
> > Often when my kitty is lounging on my lap or on the couch with me, if
> > my hands are near his mouth, he will sniff them an then sort of bite
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>
> -L.

My cat bites me if I whistle, comes up behind me on the sofa and has
been known to bite my head.  So I don't whistle!  But if he hears
whistling on the TV, i.e. the music to the X-Files, he still bites
me... so I have to turn down the sound for the theme music if I'm
watching the re-runs.  He doesn't bite anyone else that whistles in
the house, strange.
Mary - 06 Apr 2005 02:01 GMT
> My cat bites me if I whistle, comes up behind me on the sofa and has
> been known to bite my head.  So I don't whistle!

Hahaha, you Marcia, are a prime example of  the genetic outcome
of "only the strongest and smartest survive! :)

But if he hears
> whistling on the TV, i.e. the music to the X-Files, he still bites
> me... so I have to turn down the sound for the theme music if I'm
> watching the re-runs.  He doesn't bite anyone else that whistles in
> the house, strange.

I need to see this cat. Got any pics?
Marcia - 06 Apr 2005 10:51 GMT
> > My cat bites me if I whistle, comes up behind me on the sofa and has
> > been known to bite my head.  So I don't whistle!
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>
> I need to see this cat. Got any pics?

Are you implying that Lord Otis (one of his many given titles) is the
boss in this house?  If so, you'd be perfectly correct!  Still - as
he's older than me (well in cat years), it is only respectful that he
gets to call the shots, that and the fact that I worship him, and tend
to his every need, including his various medical ones.  I will post a
pic shortly for you to see his royal highness in his full splendour if
he lets me use the computer without insisting on sitting his large bum
in front of the monitor, that's another of his tricks.
Mary - 06 Apr 2005 10:57 GMT
> > > My cat bites me if I whistle, comes up behind me on the sofa and has
> > > been known to bite my head.  So I don't whistle!
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> Are you implying that Lord Otis (one of his many given titles) is the
> boss in this house?

My first comment is just my recognition that you're smarter than the average
human! He bites you when you whistle so you don't whistle! I tell you, it's
brilliant. You have no idea how many people post the equivalent of "Help!
My cat bites me in the head when I whistle! How can I stop him!" :)

>If so, you'd be perfectly correct!

Or even if not, apparently!

Still - as
> he's older than me (well in cat years), it is only respectful that he
> gets to call the shots, that and the fact that I worship him, and tend
> to his every need, including his various medical ones.

Now this is just a second testimony to your great wisdom and
full pool of common sense. :) I too slave away for cats due to
the same sort of total worship.

>I will post a
> pic shortly for you to see his royal highness in his full splendour if
> he lets me use the computer without insisting on sitting his large bum
> in front of the monitor, that's another of his tricks.

I and my masters Cheeky and Buddha will eagerly await
this event. We will give burnt offerings to the Upload Gods
to help ensure the transfer of the photos. 8)
Marcia - 06 Apr 2005 17:38 GMT
> > "Mary" <marys@catlovernospam.com> wrote in message
> news:<1112749432.9b6038674ba2226a6d74d828bdeb638e@teranews>...
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> this event. We will give burnt offerings to the Upload Gods
> to help ensure the transfer of the photos. 8)

Wow, I'm grateful!  Mind you, I don't know how to solve the following
problem:  cat scratching post, impregnated with catnip sits next to
sofa (best place for it), guess which one he prefers to scratch -
that's OK as my sofa's old but I'm getting new ones soon and I don't
want it to continue.  The little devil knows it's banned behaviour and
so doesn't do it in front of me.  Grrr
Mary - 06 Apr 2005 17:41 GMT
Mind you, I don't know how to solve the following
> problem:  cat scratching post, impregnated with catnip sits next to
> sofa (best place for it), guess which one he prefers to scratch -
> that's OK as my sofa's old but I'm getting new ones soon and I don't
> want it to continue.  The little devil knows it's banned behaviour and
> so doesn't do it in front of me.  Grrr

Here is the single thing that stopped my cats from
scratching the furniture:

http://www.petcarecentral.com/cospetprodsc.html

Like you, I put them by the favorite scratching places.
They LOVE it! I think it is the angle, as the flat ones
and the posts did not do it for them. I hope you can
get it in the uk, if that is where you are. (Guessing
from the email address and the photo caption!)
Marcia - 06 Apr 2005 23:45 GMT
> Mind you, I don't know how to solve the following
> > problem:  cat scratching post, impregnated with catnip sits next to
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> get it in the uk, if that is where you are. (Guessing
> from the email address and the photo caption!)

That looks great, I won't order it from the US as the shipping is too
expensive, but will try and find one over here if I can - ta.  He uses
his scratching post when I'm around, only uses the sofa when I'm not.
Mary - 07 Apr 2005 00:52 GMT
> > Mind you, I don't know how to solve the following
> > > problem:  cat scratching post, impregnated with catnip sits next to
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> expensive, but will try and find one over here if I can - ta.  He uses
> his scratching post when I'm around, only uses the sofa when I'm not.

They are so crafty! :) I admit, mine might still use the furniture when I am
not looking, but I have noticed no increase in damage. Hope you can
find the Alpine Scratcher! Let me know the best price you can get
in the UK (if you can find it there) and we'll compare what it might
be shipped from here to there. Here it costs about $13 US. I imagine
you could make one quite easily. When the scratchy insert is worn
out and I could not get to PetSmart to get another, I have bought
the flat kind sold in all our grocery stores and just used clear
packing tape to secure it to the Alpine scratcher so it has the
incline. Anyway, email me if I can help you. I do overseas
mailings all the time.
Lesley Madigan - 11 Apr 2005 14:19 GMT
> Wow, I'm grateful!  Mind you, I don't know how to solve the following
> problem:  cat scratching post, impregnated with catnip sits next to
> sofa (best place for it), guess which one he prefers to scratch -
> that's OK as my sofa's old but I'm getting new ones soon and I don't
> want it to continue.  The little devil knows it's banned behaviour and
> so doesn't do it in front of me.  Grrr

This reminds me of the tale of Hayley and Bo.

Hayley is a lady I work with and she has always wanted a cat but her
parents wouldn't let her then she lived in the nurses home and then in
a succession of flats that did not allow pets. But finally she and her
BF moved into a flat that would allow pets and BF promised to buy her
a kitten for Xmas.

A few weeks before Xmas her BF was on his way home from work or
whatever and he saw this pathetic little ball of fur in the middle of
a busy road so he scooped the ball up, took the ball home and they
took it to the nearest vet who annouced the ball was a female kitten,
about 1 month old, basically healthy but very thin.

Four months later the little ball of skinny fur is now named Bo and
supervises the activities of her slaves from her own radiator bed.
No-one knows why she was cowering in the road but she has found a
forever home

But I think Hayley has a few things to learn yet, a couple of weeks
ago I asked after Bo and she replied "She's lovely but she's starting
to scratch the furniture"

"No problem" says I (all false confidence) "Time to get the squirt
bottle out" (Definate false confidence there, Sarrasine would sooner
get wet than stop what she's doing on principle and Redunzel uses the
post to stand on so she can reach her favourite bit of the chair)

"Oh no" says Hayley "I don't mind. The furniture is awful, it was all
left behing by the last people and it's worn out. We are going to get
some new stuff but I don't mind if Bo rips this old stuff to
bits....."

Then she looked at me and started to look very worried and she uttered
the memorable line that proves she still has a lot to learn...

"They do grow out of it don't they?"

(I told her yes when they were about 23)

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Mary - 05 Apr 2005 19:06 GMT
> Often when my kitty is lounging on my lap or on the couch with me, if
> my hands are near his mouth, he will sniff them an then sort of bite
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Thanks in advance.

Yes, he loves you. And what you are doing--the whimpering--
is exactly how to intelligently show him that biting hurts. Good
job! We would love to see your kitty! You could post a link to
a photo site here or post his photo in alt.binaries.pictures.animals.
Sandy - 06 Apr 2005 05:43 GMT
Yes, love bites!  It's affection.  I had a little cat named Jennifer who
would do that from the time she was a kitten.  She just sort of closed her
mouth on my fingers, with hardly any pressure at all.  I found it endearing
and, since I lived alone and seldom had visitors, I chose not to discourage
that natural behavior -- but I always made sure to warn visitors!

Sandy

> Often when my kitty is lounging on my lap or on the couch with me, if
> my hands are near his mouth, he will sniff them an then sort of bite
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Thanks in advance.
GrapplerGurl - 09 Apr 2005 16:48 GMT
My cat has the ability to detect the minute my feet pop out of the bed
sheets, for some reason Georgie has a thing for my big toes, if they
happen to become uncovered Georgie is right there nibbling on them.
I'm usually too tired to scold him, I've contemplated wearing slippers
to bed but have just learned to keep my feet under the sheets.
Mary - 09 Apr 2005 18:16 GMT
> My cat has the ability to detect the minute my feet pop out of the bed
> sheets, for some reason Georgie has a thing for my big toes, if they
> happen to become uncovered Georgie is right there nibbling on them.
> I'm usually too tired to scold him, I've contemplated wearing slippers
> to bed but have just learned to keep my feet under the sheets.

Awww! Have we seen photos of Georgie? How old is he and might
you tell his story?
GrapplerGurl - 09 Apr 2005 18:33 GMT
>> My cat has the ability to detect the minute my feet pop out of the bed
>> sheets, for some reason Georgie has a thing for my big toes, if they
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>Awww! Have we seen photos of Georgie? How old is he and might
>you tell his story?

Georgie is my first cat, a pound cat, and I have had him since
september. My 17 year old Jack Russell Terrier passed away last July,
shortly after there was this cat that started coming around wanting
inside. I never really had any exposure to a cat before but this fluff
ball that kept visiting me really won me over. Before I was going
provide him a home I put a collar and a little capsule with my name
and a note on it. Shortly after I received a call from the cats owner
saying that yes he does have a home. I was really kind of bummed out
over it so I made my way to the spca and this lively tuxedo cat,
Georgie, just stole my heart. The rest is history.
Mary - 09 Apr 2005 18:38 GMT
"GrapplerGurl" <girlzrock@here.com> wrote :

> >Awww! Have we seen photos of Georgie? How old is he and might
> >you tell his story?
>
> Georgie is my first cat, a pound cat, and I have had him since
> september. My 17 year old Jack Russell Terrier passed away last July,

Oh I'm sorry to hear this. Jack Russell's are wonderful dogs! How
did you keep up with him? Such bundles of energry.

> shortly after there was this cat that started coming around wanting
> inside. I never really had any exposure to a cat before but this fluff
> ball that kept visiting me really won me over.

They can do that, can't they? :)

>Before I was going
> provide him a home I put a collar and a little capsule with my name
> and a note on it. Shortly after I received a call from the cats owner
> saying that yes he does have a home.

Aww.

I was really kind of bummed out
> over it so I made my way to the spca and this lively tuxedo cat,
> Georgie, just stole my heart. The rest is history.

We post photos on alt.binaries.pictures.animals. I'd
love to see one of Georgie. I have a tuxedo named
Buddha. I am putting a photo site together, then I'll post
her photo. She has little white feet and a big white bib,
a "bikini" and a messy white splotch on her nose.

Welcome to the group!
GrapplerGurl - 10 Apr 2005 05:27 GMT
>We post photos on alt.binaries.pictures.animals. I'd
>love to see one of Georgie. I have a tuxedo named
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Welcome to the group!

Thank you, little Georgie is up there now. The vet says he's under 2
years old. He's an indoor cat but he has numerous trees I've bought
him that are positioned within cat's eye view of the birdfeeders so
he's back and forth between rooms frequently. I'm thinking of adopting
a friend for little Georgie, I'm just doing a bit of research on how
to introduce a new cat into your home. I also have a vacation planned
so I'll be doing this after July. Thanks for the response.
Mary - 10 Apr 2005 15:00 GMT
> >We post photos on alt.binaries.pictures.animals. I'd
> >love to see one of Georgie. I have a tuxedo named
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> to introduce a new cat into your home. I also have a vacation planned
> so I'll be doing this after July. Thanks for the response.

Thanks for posting the photo, I looked for it but it has
not shown yet. I will check again after brunch. By the way,
there has been a lot of discussion here about introducing
cats, so a Google search might help. One of the most
important things is how much space you have and  how
it is arranged. For example, when I introduced Cheeky and
Buddha it was easier because we have three levels and they
could each have one and meet in the middle when they wanted.
I think it is a great idea to get Georgie a friend!!
Mary - 11 Apr 2005 00:19 GMT
> >We post photos on alt.binaries.pictures.animals. I'd
> >love to see one of Georgie. I have a tuxedo named
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Thank you, little Georgie is up there now.

I have looked and looked but cannot find Georgie's photo.
Did you see that it actually came through?
GrapplerGurl - 12 Apr 2005 00:21 GMT
No, they never came through, have to configure my newsreader to post
binaries. BTW, the vet says that little Georgie is about 2 years old,
perhaps a bit younger. I have a 3 bedroom rancher and live alone so
there is plenty of room for another kittie. I have to go out of town
in July so I'd probably be looking at anytime after that to introduce
little Georgie to a roommate.

>> >We post photos on alt.binaries.pictures.animals. I'd
>> >love to see one of Georgie. I have a tuxedo named
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>I have looked and looked but cannot find Georgie's photo.
>Did you see that it actually came through?
Mary - 12 Apr 2005 02:04 GMT
> No, they never came through, have to configure my newsreader to post
> binaries.

Ah, okay, I thought it was me. Let me know when you get them up.
It's kind of fun to create a free web site at yahoo.com or any of
many free photo sites, too.

>BTW, the vet says that little Georgie is about 2 years old,
> perhaps a bit younger. I have a 3 bedroom rancher and live alone so
> there is plenty of room for another kittie.

That's optimal, and will make it easier.

>I have to go out of town
> in July so I'd probably be looking at anytime after that to introduce
> little Georgie to a roommate.

I wish I could have another kitty! It will be so much fun having
another one. There have to be lots who need good homes
around your area--they are everywhere. Keep us updated
about the kitties you're looking at. And do search the archives
for introduction information. When I introduced my two-year-old
to my 7-year-old I was in a similar situation--lots of room and nooks
and crannies--and could just give each her territory (no closed doors
worked find) and let them find one another in their own time. Feeding
time is the great equalizer! Though I fed them on different floors
to avoid conflicts over the food, they (as all cats do!) learned
the sounds of feeding time and would meet me in the kitchen.
That is were all the  first nose-sniffing happened. The dumbest
thing we did was carry one cat into another cat's territory.
Whichever cat was the "intruder" got highly agitated and
fearful while the other was very vigilant. We never did that
again and eventually they met on their own ground in their
own time. You might want to think about a girl cat--only because
(and this is my impression, not science!) I have noticed in this
group that most of the bad conflicts in introductions are male on male.
[Also I have a soft spot for girly cats, :)  ]
GrapplerGurl - 16 Apr 2005 17:57 GMT
Yes, a girl cat is what I will be looking for. It probably won't
happen until mid summer but there are the local spca and the cat
rescue group "Katie's Place" so there are lots of cats.
Mary - 16 Apr 2005 18:45 GMT
> Yes, a girl cat is what I will be looking for. It probably won't
> happen until mid summer but there are the local spca and the cat
> rescue group "Katie's Place" so there are lots of cats.

Yes, unfortunately there are lots of cats available everywhere.
I don't know if it makes a difference, but I adopted a 2
year old to keep my 6-year old company, rather than a
kitten. I think the fact that Cheeky was less rambunctious
than a baby would be helped the introduction.

On that topic, I also chose a cat that had been at the
shelter for some time. In her case, four months. I did
this because I felt for the cats that were there for a while
(it was packed, very little room to move about) and because
I figured the staff could tell me about her as they had had some
time to watch her. (This is why I would choose a no-kill
shelter over the pound or spca.) And--such close
quarters trains a cat to eliminate in the box, as there
are few other places to eliminate unless they want
to soil the places where they sleep and eat. It has
worked out wonderfully. Cheeky cost $90 and of
course came with all her shots and spayed. She is the
most delightful cat I have ever had, so affectionate and
smart!

I hope you will keep us posted when the time comes
to adopt. I'm excited for you!
 
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