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How to make cat less fat
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Fat Cat Dad - 25 Mar 2005 12:28 GMT We have an old fat cat that is overweight, he's about 9 years old. We want him to lose some weight. The problem is that we also have another cat about 6 years old who is normal weight and they share the food. If we fed the heavy cat weight-loss food, the normal cat would eat it.
We live in a large house, is it possible to train the cats to eat separately and not feed off eachother's bowls?
Joe Canuck - 25 Mar 2005 13:25 GMT > We have an old fat cat that is overweight, he's about 9 years old. We want > him to lose some weight. The problem is that we also have another cat about [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > We live in a large house, is it possible to train the cats to eat > separately and not feed off eachother's bowls? No, for that the humans have to be trained. ;)
Basically, if you want different diets for each cat in a multi-cat household you will need to stop free-feeding.
Cathy Friedmann - 25 Mar 2005 17:09 GMT > We have an old fat cat that is overweight, he's about 9 years old. We want > him to lose some weight. The problem is that we also have another cat about [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > We live in a large house, is it possible to train the cats to eat > separately and not feed off eachother's bowls? It may be - or you can feed them in separate places, or... in my cats' cases, I've let the other cat(s) go ahead & also eat the "light" food. When feeding the "light" foods & limiting one cat's consumption, I've also fed another regular - &/or "Senior" - food(s) for the other cat(s), so they - the ones not on a diet - wound up eating both kinds of food.
The only things I think you really need to be careful about are: if you feed a "Light" food, but don't limit the fat cat's intake he still won't lose weight. On the other side of the coin, you have to make sure that he loses weight really slowly, so that it doesn't affect his liver adversely.
Cathy
Mary - 25 Mar 2005 19:09 GMT > We have an old fat cat that is overweight, he's about 9 years old. We want > him to lose some weight. The problem is that we also have another cat about [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > We live in a large house, is it possible to train the cats to eat > separately and not feed off eachother's bowls? I don't think it is possible to train them to do this--happily, you have doors on some of the rooms of your house. You can work the rest out. :)
Phil P. - 25 Mar 2005 22:10 GMT > We have an old fat cat that is overweight, he's about 9 years old. We want > him to lose some weight. The problem is that we also have another cat about > 6 years old who is normal weight and they share the food. If we fed the > heavy cat weight-loss food, the normal cat would eat it. Not necessarily. Weight loss diets usually contain more fiber and less fat than maintenance diets which also makes them less palatable. Given the choice, most cats would rather eat a maintenance diet. I think the problem would be keeping the overweight cat away from the maintenance diet rather than keeping the normal cat away from the weight loss diet.
> We live in a large house, is it possible to train the cats to eat > separately and not feed off eachother's bowls? If your cats are used to free feeding, feeding them seperately will be a bit of a problem. However, there are a few tricks you can try.
1. Put the normal cat's food in high place that's difficult to reach and small enough so just one cat can get to it at a time -- or in a place where the normal cat would have to jump a few feet to get to.
2. If the overweight cat is a lot larger than the normal cat, cut a hole in a cardboard box that's just big enough for the normal cat to squeeze through. Put the normal cat's food inside the box.
The best alternative would be switch your cats over to canned food and feed them seperately on a twice-a-day schedule. Your overweight cat will probably lose more weight on a canned maintanence diet than on a dry, weight-loss diet. Btw, over-the-counter "light" or 'lite' diets aren't really weight-loss diets.
Whatever plan works, just make absolutely sure your overweight cat doesn't lose more than 1% of his body weight in a week. Rapid weight loss in overweight or obese cats can result in a very serious liver disease called hepatic lipidosis (fatty liver syndrome).
Weigh loss in cats takes time, patience and consistency - so, don't lose faith. A good pediatric scale will detect weight loss that you can't see by eye and will help you keep the faith.
Best of luck.
Phil
Mary - 25 Mar 2005 23:32 GMT > > We have an old fat cat that is overweight, he's about 9 years old. We want > > him to lose some weight. The problem is that we also have another cat [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > a cardboard box that's just big enough for the normal cat to squeeze > through. Put the normal cat's food inside the box. Oh, man, is anyone else picturing the fat cat peering sadly into the hole in the box? This is just MEAN, Phil! ;)
CatNipped - 25 Mar 2005 23:42 GMT > > > We have an old fat cat that is overweight, he's about 9 years old. We > want [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Oh, man, is anyone else picturing the fat cat peering sadly > into the hole in the box? This is just MEAN, Phil! ;) ROTFLMAOWTIME!!!!
Hugs,
CatNipped
Wendy - 26 Mar 2005 03:02 GMT > > > We have an old fat cat that is overweight, he's about 9 years old. We > want [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Oh, man, is anyone else picturing the fat cat peering sadly > into the hole in the box? This is just MEAN, Phil! ;) I've put food in a box to keep the fat cat away from it before. And no, the fat cat doesn't just sit there peering sadly into the box. The fat cat sits next to the hole plotting how to get the contents of the box close enough to the opening so fat cat can scarf some. I had to velcro the bowl to the far end of the box to keep fat cat from sliding it over to the door where she can get to it. Fat cats are very resourceful when it comes to food.
Karen - 26 Mar 2005 03:05 GMT >>>> We have an old fat cat that is overweight, he's about 9 years old. We >> want [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > end of the box to keep fat cat from sliding it over to the door where she > can get to it. Fat cats are very resourceful when it comes to food. ROFL!!!! Ohhhh my. I had to wipe tears away. "I had to velcro the bowl to the end of the box..." ROFL!!!!
Cathy Friedmann - 26 Mar 2005 03:16 GMT > > > > We have an old fat cat that is overweight, he's about 9 years old. We > > want [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > end of the box to keep fat cat from sliding it over to the door where she > can get to it. Fat cats are very resourceful when it comes to food. I can believe it! ;-) I was thinking, when I read about the box deal, is tha tthe box could eventually get batted all over the floor in attempts to get at the food in there.
As an aside - this idea/solution would generally work with cats, who usually like to go into boxes. But one of my cats was kind of claustrophobic, I guess - she wouldn't go into boxes, paper bags, or under covers.
Cathy
Phil P. - 26 Mar 2005 05:47 GMT > > > > We have an old fat cat that is overweight, he's about 9 years old. We > > want [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > end of the box to keep fat cat from sliding it over to the door where she > can get to it. LOL! You did it wrong! You put the bowl on the floor and just covered it with the box. That won't work - as you found out. You're supposed to put the bowl *inside* on the bottom of a closed box - this way the bowl moves with the box if the cat pushes the box around. You could have also put the box in a corner or against a wall so the fat cat couldn't push the box around the floor until the opening moved close enough to the bowl.
Phil
Phil P. - 26 Mar 2005 05:50 GMT > > > We have an old fat cat that is overweight, he's about 9 years old. We > want [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Oh, man, is anyone else picturing the fat cat peering sadly > into the hole in the box? This is just MEAN, Phil! ;) Like Tom peering in at Jerry! LOL!
Mary - 26 Mar 2005 15:21 GMT > > > > We have an old fat cat that is overweight, he's about 9 years old. We > > want [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Like Tom peering in at Jerry! LOL! Exactly! Wicked mean!
Meghan Noecker - 26 Mar 2005 11:38 GMT >Oh, man, is anyone else picturing the fat cat peering sadly >into the hole in the box? This is just MEAN, Phil! ;) Can't be any worse than the wall I placed around the kitty litter box. The cats can get in, but not the chubby dog on a diet. It took us a while to figure out why her weight loss had reversed. We were all blaming each other for giving her treats. Turns out she was helping herself :(
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Mary - 26 Mar 2005 15:28 GMT > >Oh, man, is anyone else picturing the fat cat peering sadly > >into the hole in the box? This is just MEAN, Phil! ;) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > blaming each other for giving her treats. Turns out she was helping > herself :( Eyyyeeeeuuuu!
Joe Canuck - 26 Mar 2005 00:09 GMT >>We have an old fat cat that is overweight, he's about 9 years old. We want >>him to lose some weight. The problem is that we also have another cat [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > a cardboard box that's just big enough for the normal cat to squeeze > through. Put the normal cat's food inside the box. Hehe, this may or may not work
Long time ago I had a feisty Siamese that could get out of a cardboard box. She loved playing in them, just didn't like the lid shut... they don't like closed spaces. However, when she would be inside the box she would almost look up at me in a challenging sort of way "Go ahead, shut the lid... I dare you!" No fuss or attempt to get out when I would close the box, but immediately she would start working her way out.
In this situation, food inside the cardboard box will provide the motivation to get inside. On the other hand, the exercise might be good for the overweight cat.
So, I see your point. ;)
> The best alternative would be switch your cats over to canned food and feed > them seperately on a twice-a-day schedule. Your overweight cat will [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Phil Meghan Noecker - 26 Mar 2005 11:49 GMT >We have an old fat cat that is overweight, he's about 9 years old. We want >him to lose some weight. The problem is that we also have another cat about [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >We live in a large house, is it possible to train the cats to eat >separately and not feed off eachother's bowls? I have a similar situation developing, though not quite the same. We have been free feeding for at least 30 years with no problems. But I just adopted a cat a month ago that was turned into the shelter because the owners were letting him outside and not feeding him.
Strangely, he is a social eater - won't eat on the counter without company, so in a sense, he is not free feeding even though the food is available 24/7.
So, when I am not home, he doesn't eat much, if anything. But when I am home, he is chowing or begging. I fill the bowl, and he cleans it out, then starts attacking the bag. He has totally slashed up the current bag.
So, I had two samples of Royal Canin's "slim" food. I was planning to give them to my friend who has a very fat cat. I put the one sample in his bowl, and he liked it. So, I figure I will switch his kibble to the slim food and see if it works as a mainenance for him. He is not currently overweight. He just seems to be eating more than he should, and I would rather he eat more of a lite food than less of a fatty food. I would rather prevent him from getting fat than wait til he is.
So, that seemed like a great idea til my elderly cat came by and started chowing on the diet food. Damn. The last thing I need Maynard to eat is a lite food. He is underweight again, and I am trying to put some weight on him. He recently discovered the place I am feeding Jay Jay, and both of them agree that this is the best location to eat.
So, I am going to buy some bowls with lids. One with chubby food and one with lite food, and I will open the bowl that is appropriate to the cat. They can eat in the same location, and not eat each other's food.
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Fat Cat Dad - 26 Mar 2005 14:46 GMT Thanks guys!!
I showed this thread to my wife who LOVED the idea of the feeding box. So at her command I will now be spending this lovely Saturday downstairs in my shop building a specially designed painted plywood cat feeder box with size-adjustable cat entry porthole and turn-lock-anchored feeding dish! Well, off I go to Home Depot for the materials.
Thanks guys!!
F.C.D.
(hey, maybe if this works out I could sell these things and make some money! )
Karen - 26 Mar 2005 17:46 GMT > Thanks guys!! > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > (hey, maybe if this works out I could sell these things and make some money! > ) Sounds very elegant. You probably *could* sell them. I imagine there are some cat dog households that could use such an arrangement.
Trish Dunphy - 26 Mar 2005 20:52 GMT > > Thanks guys!! > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Sounds very elegant. You probably *could* sell them. I imagine there are > some cat dog households that could use such an arrangement. If it works can you post a pic, and if you are serious about building and selling them, I'm very interested. I've been looking for one for my porker cat for about 6 months. His vet claims food is his life.
Thanks Trish
CatNipped - 26 Mar 2005 18:22 GMT > Thanks guys!! > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > (hey, maybe if this works out I could sell these things and make some money! > ) I'd buy one! And the idea of the heavy plywood box circumvents the problem of the cats batting the box around trying to get at the food (or biting holes in the box)!.
Hugs,
CatNipped
> -- > Message posted via http://www.catkb.com ---MIKE--- - 26 Mar 2005 20:16 GMT I'm not sure that painting the box is a good idea. The smell of the paint might discourage the cat from going inside. At least, don't paint the inside.
---MIKE---
Phil P. - 26 Mar 2005 22:38 GMT > Thanks guys!! > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > (hey, maybe if this works out I could sell these things and make some money! When you start making money on it, remember where you got the idea from! LOL!
Phil
Fat Cat Dad - 27 Mar 2005 13:35 GMT Don't start planning for early retirement from your royalties just yet, Phil.
We have a small "odd" closet in the kitchen hallway that we use for storage and stuff..We're going to take out the lower panel of the door, I'll make a porthole panel for it and we'll put the normal food in there..That will work just fine.
Sorry.
F.C.D.
Phil P. - 27 Mar 2005 13:35 GMT > Don't start planning for early retirement from your royalties just yet, > Phil. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Sorry. Damn! I guess I'll have to cancel my order for the Hummer...
Seriously, I hope the porthole panel works. Let me know.
Good luck.
Phil
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