Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / March 2005
Susie Update - Advice Needed in re Socializing
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Sara - 25 Mar 2005 03:41 GMT Hi, I posted a few weeks ago about a little cat I trapped through a trap/spay/release program, then didn't have the heart to release. She was living behind my dryer at the time.
Since then she has progressed to a point where she is living in a walk in closet (okay, not that much progress, but still...). Actually, she escaped out of the laundry room and wound up in a spare bedroom, found the closet, and there we are. Fortunately I had cleaned out the closet recently so there is not much in there, and the spare bedroom was easy to fix up so there are no places to hide.
I spend an hour or two a day in the closet with Susie (yeah, I know, I have no life) and now she will come within about two feet of me to get food. Her litter box and water are in the bedroom, but when she hears me coming she heads for the closet. I feed her in the closet so she will get the idea that mama = food = love. I am going to try to lure her closer to me every day, and I hope within a week or so that she will be willing to sit within easy reach.
Once we reach that goal, what should we aim for next? Should I try to get her into the bedroom (in my presence) so I can shut her out of the closet, which would force her to interact with me and the other cats? Should I try to feed her with a spoon? Or should I get a pair of gauntlets and try to pet her?
She is very calm and every day her body language tells me that she is relaxing a little bit more. I don't want to rush her into something that will set us back.
I am hoping that she will see the other cats being petted and fawned over, and then get the idea that patting is GOOD. I have a pair of baby gates on the door to the bedroom so the kitties can see each other, but so far my (spoiled, overfed, dumb) cats have shown zero interest in Susie. They are, however, pretty interested in the food I carry in to her. Once it's clear the food is not for them, they stalk off in a huff and refuse to deal with her.
Sorry for the long post. I'm interested in any and all suggestions.
Sara
Karen - 25 Mar 2005 04:16 GMT Sounds like you are making very good progress. Don't try to pet her until she offers herself, and don't do guantlets as that will just be scary. I don't believe I would close the closet either. That will be a thing of trust. If you get her into the room then close the closet you will be effectively locking her out of the little space she calls hers and I think it would be a set back. I say you are doing fine, don't rush and don't push. Let her tell you when it is time.
Cheryl - 25 Mar 2005 04:23 GMT > Once we reach that goal, what should we aim for next? Should I > try to get her into the bedroom (in my presence) so I can shut > her out of the closet, which would force her to interact with me > and the other cats? Should I try to feed her with a spoon? Or > should I get a pair of gauntlets and try to pet her? I think you are doing fantastic so far! Here is what worked with my feral (a bit long):
She had to live in a cage for 2 months. It wasn't planned that way, it was what it took until I was sure she wasn't going to disappear in my house and I'd never see her again. During the cage period, I sat and talked to her a lot. She got socialized to one of my cats, Shamrock. I think she saw that he was safe around me, and learned from that. They adored each other. I spoonfed her, because you're right, food=love, stablization to them. Plus, I had to put some meds in it because I sure couldn't drop it in her mouth. I used welders gloves to pet Bonnie, and the first time I pet her without them, I was scared to death. She was too. She didn't tear my hand and arm to shreds. When it was time for her to come out of the cage, I put it in a room where she could be segragated from the rest of the house, and I kept the cage covered so it was a hidey- hole for her, yet the cage door was open. With Bonnie, all of the reasons for keeping her available for me to capture her was because she was still going through vet visits; shots, boosters, spay, worm treatment, booster for that pill, etc. She also had suffered from a URI after her spay, so I had to somehow get meds into her. I needed to be able to get her to the vet. The easiest way was to put a trap into the cage and get her to go into the trap on her own. It worked, mostly, until she was getting comfortable here.
Then, one Friday night, since I was going to be home all weekend, I let her out of her room. I had all of the other doors shut so she couldn't hide, but she found the cat tree and decided that was safe due to all of the posts and it probably made her think she was in bushes with exits if she needed it. She made me so proud how she kept finding some bravery inside herself. While she was in her room I played with her with a feather toy on a rod and I used that when she was out of her room, and it was familiar to her, and she played with it even out of her room. It's been nearly two years now since I trapped her and I still can't pick her up. But, she'll come sit on my lap sometimes, and she'll sit at my feet (she had a foot fetish as a newly integrated feral and she would reach out and touch my feet before she would let me pet her). I was very touched when she would jump on the couch next to me, even if she ran if I tried to pet her. I let her go at her own pace. I was more touched when she decided she liked sleeping on my bed with me. And again, when she climbed on my chest when I was sleeping, and found her on me when I woke up.
When you can tame, even a little, a feral cat to the point that they start to trust you, it is probably the most amazing thing that will ever happen to you. I'm serious. They are so wild, yet so trusting if you give them time.
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KellyH - 25 Mar 2005 04:37 GMT > Hi, I posted a few weeks ago about a little cat I trapped through a > trap/spay/release program, then didn't have the heart to release. She > was living behind my dryer at the time. <snip>
Sounds like it's going well. You're taking it nice and slow which is the way to do these things. One thing you might want to do is have one of your more cat-friendly cats come in the room with you. Even if they aren't interested in her, as long as they are the type that won't hiss at her, that's good. Pet the friendly cat in front of Susie. She will be fascinated by it, and in awe that that kitty is letting you pet him and nothing bad happened. I had a foster that started off letting me pet her only if I was petting another cat at the same time. Susie will be drawn to the cat and may venture out of the closet when he's in the room. Remember, it does go slow, but every little step a former feral takes is such a big milestone. I've had my Antonio for over a year now, and I can *almost* pick him up!
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Betsy - 25 Mar 2005 05:59 GMT Although this sounds like a good idea in theory, in practice it is exactly the opposite of what will work.
I adopted Mama cat "accidentally" in 1993 and to date she is still terrified of me. I have 10 other cats--used to be 12 others-- who love me and will be petted and hugged and snuggled in front of Mama, and 12 years later that has made no difference at all to MamaCat's socialization.
Also, the more the cat interacts with other cats, the less she will be willing to interact with you. So, make her comfortable with you, and keep her away from the other cats until you and she have bonded. Then, you'll have to WORK at maintaining that bond on a regular basis, or the feral will not become tamed.
Mama will let me corner her, and loudly complains, and I can hold her and cut her nails and smother her with kisses, but BUT BUT she is desperate to escape, and has harmed me several times. She would like, in her heart of hearts, to trust me, but the instinct instilled in her at a young age will simply not allow it. I must live with that. She is a lovely cat, and I talk to her constantly, but she will probably never be tame.
This, too, in spite of me nursing her as she was at death's door with a mammary abscess and fever over 108 (off the thermometer). She was lucky to live. And I applied compresses for weeks to the opened abscess. But, still no bonding.
My mistake was to let her hang out with the other cats too soon. They get along great!
>> Hi, I posted a few weeks ago about a little cat I trapped through a >> trap/spay/release program, then didn't have the heart to release. She [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > such a big milestone. I've had my Antonio for over a year now, and I can > *almost* pick him up! Mary - 25 Mar 2005 08:19 GMT > Although this sounds like a good idea in theory, in practice it is exactly > the opposite of what will work. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > My mistake was to let her hang out with the other cats too soon. They get > along great! What a lovely cat person you are.
KellyH - 25 Mar 2005 18:14 GMT > Although this sounds like a good idea in theory, in practice it is exactly > the opposite of what will work. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > have to WORK at maintaining that bond on a regular basis, or the feral > will not become tamed. <snip>
Yes, this is true. It is important to keep her in isolation until she is confortable with you. I just meant bring one kitty in for visits, not release her into the general population. I made this mistake with Antonio, because I felt bad that he was isolated and wanted to be with the other cats. It's taken me a long time to get him comfortable with me. He's much more interested in being with the cats and doesn't feel like he needs to be with people. He's still afraid of my husband, he can't pet him at all. I can pet Tony in some designated (by him) "safe" areas in the house. I think he's still afraid of hubby because I'm home most of the day, I do the feeding, hubby's much bigger than me, etc.
 Signature -Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net "Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG
ceb - 25 Mar 2005 17:44 GMT "Sara" <sarakay@cybercomm.net> wrote in news:1111718485.167459.196270 @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> Since then she has progressed to a point where she is living in a walk > in closet (okay, not that much progress, but still...). Have you read the excellent article "CONGRATULATIONS! YOU?RE THE PROUD OWNER OF A (FORMERLY) FERAL CAT ? AND SHE?S HIDING UNDER THE BED"? It can be found here:
http://www.alleycat.org/pdf/Congratulations.pdf
It helped me out a lot when I first got Rosalie.
--Catherine & Rosalie the formerly feral calico lapcat
Sara - 28 Mar 2005 02:38 GMT Thanks so much! I appreciate all the great suggestions. I left the baby gates (stacked) in the doorway the other day, and Susie was clearly terrified, so we will be continuing in isolation for a little while until she feels more confident. We are just going to take little tiny baby kitty steps but I am sure that one day Susie and I will be best friends!
Sara
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