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Susie Update - Advice Needed in re Socializing

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Sara - 25 Mar 2005 03:41 GMT
Hi,  I posted a few weeks ago about a little cat I trapped through a
trap/spay/release program, then didn't have the heart to release.  She
was living behind my dryer at the time.

Since then she has progressed to a point where she is living in a walk
in closet (okay, not that much progress, but still...).  Actually, she
escaped out of the laundry room and wound up in a spare bedroom, found
the closet, and there we are.  Fortunately I had cleaned out the closet
recently so there is not much in there, and the spare bedroom was easy
to fix up so there are no places to hide.

I spend an hour or two a day in the closet with Susie (yeah, I know, I
have no life) and now she will come within about two feet of me to get
food.  Her litter box and water are in the bedroom, but when she hears
me coming she heads for the closet.  I feed her in the closet so she
will get the idea that mama = food = love.  I am going to try to lure
her closer to me every day, and I hope within a week or so that she
will be willing to sit within easy reach.

Once we reach that goal, what should we aim for next?  Should I try to
get her into the bedroom (in my presence) so I can shut her out of the
closet, which would force her to interact with me and the other cats?
Should I try to feed her with a spoon?  Or should I get a pair of
gauntlets and try to pet her?

She is very calm and every day her body language tells me that she is
relaxing a little bit more.  I don't want to rush her into something
that will set us back.

I am hoping that she will see the other cats being petted and fawned
over, and then get the idea that patting is GOOD.  I have a pair of
baby gates on the door to the bedroom so the kitties can see each
other, but so far my (spoiled, overfed, dumb) cats have shown zero
interest in Susie.  They are, however, pretty interested in the food I
carry in to her.  Once it's clear the food is not for them, they stalk
off in a huff and refuse to deal with her.

Sorry for the long post.  I'm interested in any and all suggestions.

Sara
Karen - 25 Mar 2005 04:16 GMT
Sounds like you are making very good progress. Don't try to pet her until
she offers herself, and don't do guantlets as that will just be scary. I
don't believe I would close the closet either. That will be a thing of
trust. If you get her into the room then close the closet you will be
effectively locking her out of the little space she calls hers and I think
it would be a set back. I say you are doing fine, don't rush and don't push.
Let her tell you when it is time.
Cheryl - 25 Mar 2005 04:23 GMT
> Once we reach that goal, what should we aim for next?  Should I
> try to get her into the bedroom (in my presence) so I can shut
> her out of the closet, which would force her to interact with me
> and the other cats? Should I try to feed her with a spoon?  Or
> should I get a pair of gauntlets and try to pet her?

I think you are doing fantastic so far! Here is what worked with my
feral (a bit long):

She had to live in a cage for 2 months. It wasn't planned that way,
it was what it took until I was sure she wasn't going to disappear
in my house and I'd never see her again. During the cage period, I
sat and talked to her a lot. She got socialized to one of my cats,
Shamrock. I think she saw that he was safe around me, and learned
from that. They adored each other. I spoonfed her, because you're
right, food=love, stablization to them. Plus, I had to put some
meds in it because I sure couldn't drop it in her mouth. I used
welders gloves to pet Bonnie, and the first time I pet her without
them, I was scared to death. She was too. She didn't tear my hand
and arm to shreds. When it was time for her to come out of the
cage, I put it in a room where she could be segragated from the
rest of the house, and I kept the cage covered so it was a hidey-
hole for her, yet the cage door was open. With Bonnie, all of the
reasons for keeping her available for me to capture her was because
she was still going through vet visits; shots, boosters, spay, worm
treatment, booster for that pill, etc. She also had suffered from a
URI after her spay, so I had to somehow get meds into her. I needed
to be able to get her to the vet. The easiest way was to put a trap
into the cage and get her to go into the trap on her own. It
worked, mostly, until she was getting comfortable here.

Then, one Friday night, since I was going to be home all weekend, I
let her out of her room. I had all of the other doors shut so she
couldn't hide, but she found the cat tree and decided that was safe
due to all of the posts and it probably made her think she was in
bushes with exits if she needed it. She made me so proud how she
kept finding some bravery inside herself. While she was in her room
I played with her with a feather toy on a rod and I used that when
she was out of her room, and it was familiar to her, and she played
with it even out of her room. It's been nearly two years now since
I trapped her and I still can't pick her up. But, she'll come sit
on my lap sometimes, and she'll sit at my feet (she had a foot
fetish as a newly integrated feral and she would reach out and
touch my feet before she would let me pet her). I was very touched
when she would jump on the couch next to me, even if she ran if I
tried to pet her. I let her go at her own pace. I was more touched
when she decided she liked sleeping on my bed with me. And again,
when she climbed on my chest when I was sleeping, and found her on
me when I woke up.

When you can tame, even a little, a feral cat to the point that
they start to trust you, it is probably the most amazing thing that
will ever happen to you. I'm serious. They are so wild, yet so
trusting if you give them time.

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Cheryl

"The clever cat eats cheese and breathes down rat holes with baited
breath."
- W.C. Fields

KellyH - 25 Mar 2005 04:37 GMT
> Hi,  I posted a few weeks ago about a little cat I trapped through a
> trap/spay/release program, then didn't have the heart to release.  She
> was living behind my dryer at the time.
<snip>

Sounds like it's going well.  You're taking it nice and slow which is the
way to do these things.
One thing you might want to do is have one of your more cat-friendly cats
come in the room with you.  Even if they aren't interested in her, as long
as they are the type that won't hiss at her, that's good.  Pet the friendly
cat in front of Susie.  She will be fascinated by it, and in awe that that
kitty is letting you pet him and nothing bad happened.  I had a foster that
started off letting me pet her only if I was petting another cat at the same
time.
Susie will be drawn to the cat and may venture out of the closet when he's
in the room.
Remember, it does go slow, but every little step a former feral takes is
such a big milestone.  I've had my Antonio for over a year now, and I can
*almost* pick him up!
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-Kelly
kelly at farringtons dot net
"Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG

Betsy - 25 Mar 2005 05:59 GMT
Although this sounds like a good idea in theory, in practice it is exactly
the opposite of what will work.

I adopted Mama cat "accidentally" in 1993 and to date she is still terrified
of me.  I have 10 other cats--used to be 12 others-- who love me and will be
petted and hugged and snuggled in front of Mama, and 12 years later that has
made no difference at all to MamaCat's socialization.

Also, the more the cat interacts with other cats, the less she will be
willing to interact with you.  So, make her comfortable with you, and keep
her away from the other cats until you and she have bonded.  Then, you'll
have to WORK at maintaining that bond on a regular basis, or the feral will
not become tamed.

Mama will let me corner her, and loudly complains, and I can hold her and
cut her nails and smother her with kisses, but BUT BUT she is desperate to
escape, and has harmed me several times.  She would like, in her heart of
hearts, to trust me, but the instinct instilled in her at a young age will
simply not allow it.  I must live with that.  She is a  lovely cat, and I
talk to her constantly, but she will probably never be tame.

This, too, in spite of me nursing her as she was at death's door with a
mammary abscess and fever over 108 (off the thermometer).  She was lucky to
live.  And I applied compresses for weeks to the opened abscess.  But, still
no bonding.

My mistake was to let her hang out with the other cats too soon.  They get
along great!

>> Hi,  I posted a few weeks ago about a little cat I trapped through a
>> trap/spay/release program, then didn't have the heart to release.  She
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> such a big milestone.  I've had my Antonio for over a year now, and I can
> *almost* pick him up!
Mary - 25 Mar 2005 08:19 GMT
> Although this sounds like a good idea in theory, in practice it is exactly
> the opposite of what will work.
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> My mistake was to let her hang out with the other cats too soon.  They get
> along great!

What a lovely cat person you are.
KellyH - 25 Mar 2005 18:14 GMT
> Although this sounds like a good idea in theory, in practice it is exactly
> the opposite of what will work.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> have to WORK at maintaining that bond on a regular basis, or the feral
> will not become tamed.

<snip>

Yes, this is true.  It is important to keep her in isolation until she is
confortable with you.  I just meant bring one kitty in for visits, not
release her into the general population.
I made this mistake with Antonio, because I felt bad that he was isolated
and wanted to be with the other cats.  It's taken me a long time to get him
comfortable with me.  He's much more interested in being with the cats and
doesn't feel like he needs to be with people.  He's still afraid of my
husband, he can't pet him at all.  I can pet Tony in some designated (by
him) "safe" areas in the house.  I think he's still afraid of hubby because
I'm home most of the day, I do the feeding, hubby's much bigger than me,
etc.

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-Kelly
kelly at farringtons dot net
"Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG

ceb - 25 Mar 2005 17:44 GMT
"Sara" <sarakay@cybercomm.net> wrote in news:1111718485.167459.196270
@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

> Since then she has progressed to a point where she is living in a walk
> in closet (okay, not that much progress, but still...).

Have you read the excellent article "CONGRATULATIONS!
YOU?RE THE PROUD OWNER OF A (FORMERLY) FERAL CAT ?
AND SHE?S HIDING UNDER THE BED"? It can be found here:

http://www.alleycat.org/pdf/Congratulations.pdf

It helped me out a lot when I first got Rosalie.

--Catherine
& Rosalie the formerly feral calico lapcat
Sara - 28 Mar 2005 02:38 GMT
Thanks so much!  I appreciate all the great suggestions.  I left the
baby gates (stacked) in the doorway the other day, and Susie was
clearly terrified, so we will be continuing in isolation for a little
while until she feels more confident.  We are just going to take little
tiny baby kitty steps but I am sure that one day Susie and I will be
best friends!

Sara
 
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