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Dave - 19 Mar 2005 23:24 GMT
First, please don't look at the pictures if you have a weak stomach.

Bear has a problem with his tail.

He's already seen a vet, she said the tip of the tail is dead and that
it will fall off on it's own, but if it gets infected, or there is any
puss or ooze or anything, bring him in and they'll remove the dead part.

I took a couple pictures today, in my opinion it has gotten a little
worse.  Please don't look at the pictures if you have a weak stomach.

http://www.devilsplayground.net/bear/

Opinions: Take him back to the vet?  If so, insist they do the surgery
now or accept "wait and see a bit longer"?

My primary goal is to reduce the amount of suffering Bear goes through,
although not spending $500 on surgery would be nice (but I'll happily do
it rather then making him suffer any longer -- I was planning on new
glasses anyway, I can wait a bit longer for glasses and put the money
towards my Bear)

Thoughts?
Mary - 19 Mar 2005 23:34 GMT
> First, please don't look at the pictures if you have a weak stomach.
>
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>
> Thoughts?

Dave, I sure would take Bear in and have it taken care of. If
he were mine. That has got to hurt, though cats do not show it.
I'm so sorry this happened to him. Do you know how it happened?
Becca - 20 Mar 2005 00:54 GMT
> Thoughts?

Several years ago, my husband ran over my cat's tail (Boo-Boo).  He was
a beautiful long-haired white cat.  We took him to the vet, he told us
the tail was broken and we should "wait and see".

The poor cat had a helluva time sitting down.  He would try to sit down,
and his tail was hanging, his tail would bump the floor and he would
spring right back up.  In a couple of days, he learned to just fall over
sideways, instead of sitting.

Boo-Boo was fine, we did not have to remove his tail, but your cat's
health situation may be different.  Boo-Boo kept himself clean and
spotless, except for the last 4 inches of his tail, where it had broken.
He never groomed it. I had to wash that, myself.  Boo-Boo died ten years
later of heart disease, when he was 15 years old.

Best of luck with Bear.

Becca
.oO rach Oo. - 20 Mar 2005 06:00 GMT
I would be more into reducing his pain and suffering. I mean, it  doesn't
look like it tickles and waiting for it to fall off seems like asking for
trouble.

In the end, you are Bear's family. If it were a person, would you want them
to walk around like that and risk infection?

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.oO rach Oo.

> First, please don't look at the pictures if you have a weak stomach.
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>
> Thoughts?
Lynn - 20 Mar 2005 06:39 GMT
I'm so sorry this happened to your Bear. It looks as though he may be in
considerable pain. If it were me, I would have it removed by the vet. Best
of luck to you both.
Dave - 20 Mar 2005 07:36 GMT
>I would be more into reducing his pain and suffering. I mean, it  doesn't
>look like it tickles and waiting for it to fall off seems like asking for
>trouble.
>
>In the end, you are Bear's family. If it were a person, would you want them
>to walk around like that and risk infection?

If it were me, I'd suffer the pain to avoid surgery.

If it were a family member, I'd ask them.  Unfortunately, despite my
best efforts to discuss the matter with him, and despite the fact that
Bear is a very communicative cat in general, I am ultimately unable to
get his input on the matter.

I appreciate everyone's responses though, he is booked for surgery
tomorrow.
Karen - 20 Mar 2005 07:49 GMT
>> I would be more into reducing his pain and suffering. I mean, it  doesn't
>> look like it tickles and waiting for it to fall off seems like asking for
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> I appreciate everyone's responses though, he is booked for surgery
> tomorrow.

Please keep us updated. Purrs for a successful surgery.
mlbriggs - 20 Mar 2005 21:31 GMT
>>> I would be more into reducing his pain and suffering. I mean, it
>>> doesn't look like it tickles and waiting for it to fall off seems like
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>>
> Please keep us updated. Purrs for a successful surgery.

back when we had outdoor cats, a female named Blackie had half of her tail
bitten off by a dog.  She later disappeared and though we hunted for a
long time, we never found her.  I often wonder if she had been killed by
the dog.,,,,life can be tough for animals.   Best wishes for your pet.  
MLB
-L. - 20 Mar 2005 08:30 GMT
> First, please don't look at the pictures if you have a weak stomach.
>
> Bear has a problem with his tail.

That tail needs to come off.

Let us know how he is doing.

-L.
Dave - 20 Mar 2005 17:15 GMT
>> First, please don't look at the pictures if you have a weak stomach.
>>
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>
>Let us know how he is doing.

Dropped him off at the vet's office about half an hour ago.  The jerk of
a cab driver didn't stick around, so I walked back.

OT: It's a $3 cab ride, but it's blowing snow and down a windy hill, so
I wasn't planning on taking Bear outside for a walk -- I paid him the $3
and told him I'm giving him another $20 if he sticks around 10 minutes
and then drives me back.  This would only have been about $10 total if I
had him wait on the meter, so a 100% tip, but he decided he had better
things to do then wait.  Not that I'm bitter.

Anyway, spent last night with Bear -- I don't usually let the cats in my
bedroom at night (for a number of reasons, but mostly that I don't leave
my door open when my roommates are home, and Bear doesn't like being
locked up for 8-10 hours at a time unless I want to play)

I gave him his meds last night shortly after returning home from the
vet's office.  I was a little worried, I've never given a cat a liquid
before, but it couldn't have gone smoother.  He took one wiff of the
medication (in the dropper) and went flying across the bed.  We played
keep away until I caught him and hugged him.  As soon as I put the
dropper in his mouth he opened his mouth, drank nicely -- Lost one drop,
but it fell on his chest and he licked it up, so I win :)

He spent part of the night in the carrier (with the door open) and most
of the night on my bed cuddling with me or with Maxx (my 3 month old
kitten -- Bear is an awesome step-father --
http://www.devilsplayground.net/beasts/ for pictures of a couple of my
pets)

Dropped him off, no complications, just a lot of unnecessary paperwork
(I say unnecessary because my input was not required, nor was my
signature, so there was no reason they couldn't have done it before I
arrived or after I left rather then making me wait -- I'm never one to
skip a rant about bureaucracy though)

They're doing pre-anesthetic blood work right now, surgery is scheduled
for 2pm (It's about 9am as I write this), I should hear back within a
couple hours (but don't panic if you don't hear back until 6pm or so
says the technician, if things get busy Bear gets pushed to the bottom
of the list.  Fair enough, they are an emergency hospital as well as
providing regular veterinary services)

It should be interesting to see his mood when I go pick him up.  He is
normally the sweetest cat, but the one other time he was left at a vet,
he was a *little* grouchy.  Normally that vet would load up the cat(s)
into your carrier when you arrive and bring the carrier to you, but they
were afraid to reach in and pick him up and they couldn't coax him into
the carrier.  I went in, he hissed a little at me, but certainly nothing
like the terror they described (so I guess he likes me! yay!) -- While I
don't think I'd be all that happy if I woke up and found my balls were
missing, he's not normally too bad at the vet.  When he was in last
night he didn't even bite/scratch/hiss/moan/anything when they took his
temperature.

So yeah, I'm just rambling (mostly because I'm CCing this post to a few
friends as well), thanks for reading this far.  I'll follow up once I
hear from the vet whether or not an overnight stay is required, but they
don't expect it to be needed.  Once he gets home I'll get some pictures.
Diane L. Schirf - 20 Mar 2005 17:46 GMT
> They're doing pre-anesthetic blood work right now, surgery is scheduled
> for 2pm (It's about 9am as I write this), I should hear back within a
> couple hours (but don't panic if you don't hear back until 6pm or so
> says the technician, if things get busy Bear gets pushed to the bottom
> of the list.  Fair enough, they are an emergency hospital as well as
> providing regular veterinary services)

I saw the photos but missed the story -- what happened to his tail?

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Dave - 20 Mar 2005 18:41 GMT
>> They're doing pre-anesthetic blood work right now, surgery is scheduled
>> for 2pm (It's about 9am as I write this), I should hear back within a
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>
>I saw the photos but missed the story -- what happened to his tail?

We don't really know :(

One day his tail was sore and the tip was hanging down a bit instead of
sticking up like normal.  It got a bit swollen, but seemed to get
better, then started getting hard.

The vet says that they see this all the time in households with small
kids and the kid puts an elastic band on the cat's tail or something,
but I'm the youngest of my roommates (23), and everybody here is a cat
lover, so I don't think it was anything malicious.

Second most common cause would be getting the tail stuck in a door or
something, but all our cats are 100% indoor cats and nobody knows what
could have happened.

He's great, you can open the door, Bear won't walk out.  You can try to
carry him out, but he'll dig in his claws and insist you immediately
cease under penalty of getting squirted (I've let him explode the door a
couple times, but only when it was storming outside, or when I had
someone out of the cats' line of sight ready with a spray bottle).

He's afraid of storms to begin with, plus the concept of getting
drenched doesn't do anything for him -- So there is virtually zero
chance he snuck out somehow.
Karen - 20 Mar 2005 19:14 GMT
>>> They're doing pre-anesthetic blood work right now, surgery is scheduled
>>> for 2pm (It's about 9am as I write this), I should hear back within a
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> drenched doesn't do anything for him -- So there is virtually zero
> chance he snuck out somehow.

I imagine something just could have fallen on it hard, and you wouldn't
necessarily know. Poor baby. I sure hope this does wonders for him.
Dave - 21 Mar 2005 07:11 GMT
>>>> They're doing pre-anesthetic blood work right now, surgery is scheduled
>>>> for 2pm (It's about 9am as I write this), I should hear back within a
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>I imagine something just could have fallen on it hard, and you wouldn't
>necessarily know. Poor baby. I sure hope this does wonders for him.

It's possible, but it would need to be something fairly heavy and I
think we'd have noticed.

That being said, who knows -- If something fell over in one of the
roommates' bedrooms they might not have mentioned it or connected it to
Bear (and since we have four cats in the house it wouldn't be uncommon
to find a cat has moved something around)

The vet didn't call me, so I finally phoned about an hour ago (The
surgery was scheduled for mid afternoon and they were supposed to call
when they were done.  I phoned at 6:10pm, mostly because I need to know
if I need to schedule a ride tonight or not since I don't drive).

Bear is reported to be fine, and available for pickup at or after 7pm.
I'm going to head out and grab some food, then pick him up.
Mary - 21 Mar 2005 07:39 GMT
> >>>> They're doing pre-anesthetic blood work right now, surgery is scheduled
> >>>> for 2pm (It's about 9am as I write this), I should hear back within a
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> Bear is reported to be fine, and available for pickup at or after 7pm.
> I'm going to head out and grab some food, then pick him up.

Hope he's doing well. You're a good cat dad.
Karen - 21 Mar 2005 13:34 GMT
>>>>> They're doing pre-anesthetic blood work right now, surgery is scheduled
>>>>> for 2pm (It's about 9am as I write this), I should hear back within a
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> It's possible, but it would need to be something fairly heavy and I
> think we'd have noticed.

I wonder about that. What if rather it was something with an edge that just
hit it wrong. I know it would be a "freak" accident type of thing but I bet
it didn't have to be *that* heavy.

> That being said, who knows -- If something fell over in one of the
> roommates' bedrooms they might not have mentioned it or connected it to
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> Bear is reported to be fine, and available for pickup at or after 7pm.
> I'm going to head out and grab some food, then pick him up.

I sure hope he does well and heals quickly.
Dave - 22 Mar 2005 09:23 GMT
>Bear has a problem with his tail.

Brief update... He's home and doing okay.

As I write this I'm sitting in bed with my laptop, he's stretched out
across my arms on his back, paws up in the air.

He'll only sit like this for 5-10 minutes at a time normally, then he
usually decides to go lay somewhere else (mostly because my arms move a
bit as I type), but tonight he's been here for about 15 minutes so far
and isn't showing any signs of running off just yet.

He's normally the most gentle friendly cat in the world, but I suspect
it's a side effect of the general anesthetic that makes him VERY angry,
moreso then either of his sisters or any other cat I've ever seen.  He's
normally good at the vet, it's not just the vet visit which upsets him,
he didn't even bite or scratch when the vet took his temperature on a
previous visit, nor did he complain when the vet touched his tail on any
of the consultations before the surgery.

He was so mad when we went to pick him up that it wasn't even funny.  

When he got neutered the vet's staff were afraid to reach in to the cage
to transfer him to the carrier, but once I got there I was able to pick
him up and transfer him without any difficulty.  He hissed a little, but
aside from that, no problem at all.

This time he was *mad*, I was afraid to reach in to touch him.  We held
the carrier into the cage and one of the vet's assistants put on gloves
and tried to tap his back to push him (hoping to annoy him into jumping
into the carrier), but he educated her in the error of her ways.  I'm
not sure if he was able to bite through the glove or not, but she wasn't
up for trying again.  I'm so proud of my big guy :)

They tossed a towel on him, once his head was covered they were able to
pick him up using the towel and get him into the carrier.  They decided
I can keep the towel after one of them tried to remove the towel and
Bear bit him through the towel (no blood, but not for lack of trying).
I'll try to remember to return the towel when I go back :)

As soon as he was in the carrier and the door was closed he calmed down
real quick.

Once we got home I brought him into my bedroom and set him on my bed.
Maxx (4 month old kitten) jumped up to see Bear, he heard Bear growling
and slowly backed away.  I've never seen Maxx react like that before (or
Bear, for that matter -- The two of them are normally best friends.
Bear is an awesome step dad)

I opened up the carrier and he came out, then immediately proceeded to
remove the cone.  We left it off (since we were hanging around to watch
him anyway no need for the cone), got some food and water.  He didn't
drink, but he ate a lot.  We opened up some tuna and gave him a bowl of
tuna juice with a little tuna, which he happily ate/drank.

We eventually put the cone back on him since my roommates were heading
off to bed and I wasn't sure if I could put it on myself whenever I
decide to go to bed.

He's doing okay, but the cone is making him a very miserable cat, the
poor guy just wants to scratch his ears, but his back paws only get as
far as the cone :|

I'm not sure if I have the heart to leave the cone on for 10 days, but
we'll see.  I'll take it off as much as I can when I'm around to
supervise, but I can't always watch him close enough to feel comfortable
leaving the cone off for too long at a time.
Mary - 22 Mar 2005 17:23 GMT
> >Bear has a problem with his tail.
>
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> bit as I type), but tonight he's been here for about 15 minutes so far
> and isn't showing any signs of running off just yet.

[...]> This time he was *mad*, I was afraid to reach in to touch him.  We
held
> the carrier into the cage and one of the vet's assistants put on gloves
> and tried to tap his back to push him (hoping to annoy him into jumping
> into the carrier), but he educated her in the error of her ways.  I'm
> not sure if he was able to bite through the glove or not, but she wasn't
> up for trying again.  I'm so proud of my big guy :)

He sounds like a handful. :) He is neutered, right?

> Once we got home I brought him into my bedroom and set him on my bed.
> Maxx (4 month old kitten) jumped up to see Bear, he heard Bear growling
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> supervise, but I can't always watch him close enough to feel comfortable
> leaving the cone off for too long at a time.

Thanks for letting us know how he is doing. How much of his tail does
Bear have left? I know you feel much better now that you don't have
to worry about that tail becoming infected, etc. You did the right thing.
That is always great to see.
Dave - 22 Mar 2005 23:34 GMT
>[...]> This time he was *mad*, I was afraid to reach in to touch him.  We
>held
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>
>He sounds like a handful. :) He is neutered, right?

He's normally the sweetest cat in the world.  He's never bitten anyone
except when he's waking up from an anesthetic.

He is neutered, yes...

>> He's doing okay, but the cone is making him a very miserable cat, the
>> poor guy just wants to scratch his ears, but his back paws only get as
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>to worry about that tail becoming infected, etc. You did the right thing.
>That is always great to see.

They were able to keep most of his tail actually.  I haven't measured
yet (I didn't before either, unfortunately), but he probably has two
thirds of the tail remaining.

I've mostly given up on trying to keep the cone on his head for the
moment, for a few reasons.

1) It's making him miserable.

2) He isn't licking the stitches anyway (and yes I am watching him most
of the time -- I work from home, so I locked both of us in my bedroom
and brought my laptop in with me)

3) He just takes it off (he had it off within a minute of getting out of
the carrier), and I'm not comfortable tying it on any tighter then it
already is since he still needs to breathe.

4) He can lick the end of his tail with the cone on anyway.

I'm going to head over to the vet's office tonight, they have some cream
that tastes bad and is a second-best to the cone (plus it will keep
Maxx, the kitten, away from his tail too), but I'm not too optimistic as
one of my roommates tried the cream one time and found that their cats
liked the taste.
Dave - 24 Mar 2005 09:01 GMT
>I've mostly given up on trying to keep the cone on his head for the
>moment, for a few reasons.

A couple days later we haven't seen him chewing or licking on the end of
his tail at all, and visually the stitches are fine and there isn't any
sign of infection.

I put the cone on a couple times after posting, but he's gotten VERY
good at removing it (and as I mentioned he can lick the tail anyway,
just with more difficulty)
Karen - 24 Mar 2005 12:47 GMT
>> I've mostly given up on trying to keep the cone on his head for the
>> moment, for a few reasons.
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> good at removing it (and as I mentioned he can lick the tail anyway,
> just with more difficulty)

Well that is good! I hope he continues to improve nicely.
Mary - 24 Mar 2005 17:51 GMT
> >I've mostly given up on trying to keep the cone on his head for the
> >moment, for a few reasons.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> good at removing it (and as I mentioned he can lick the tail anyway,
> just with more difficulty)

Seems he is smart enough not to mess with his
stitches or fore whatever reason doesn't want to.
Good boy!
 
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