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burhan_ace@hotmail.com - 14 Mar 2005 14:20 GMT
i have two male persian siamese cross (male). I dont give them canned
food. Only boiled potatoes and boiled fish, mashed together. My street
cats eat this too. But i am having a problem nowaday. both of them are
1 year old. One of them has started crying. He cries alot, and pisses
little drops any where in the house, though he is potty trained. he
never did this before. I took him to the Gov. Vet hospital. The doctor
gave him 2 injections and B-Complex syrup to be given 3 times a day,
but no change. What should i do.
one thing more the penis spot my my cat stays dark red. I dont know
why/?
---MIKE--- - 14 Mar 2005 14:25 GMT
This is either a very stupid cat owner or a troll.  I vote for troll.

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Diane L. Schirf - 14 Mar 2005 14:56 GMT
>  I vote for troll.

I second that emotion.

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Gail - 14 Mar 2005 14:38 GMT
He sounds like he has a urinary tract infection. He must be treated by a vet
ASAP. Cats can get blocked from this and die quickly.
Gail
>i have two male persian siamese cross (male). I dont give them canned
> food. Only boiled potatoes and boiled fish, mashed together. My street
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> one thing more the penis spot my my cat stays dark red. I dont know
> why/?
KellyH - 14 Mar 2005 14:50 GMT
>i have two male persian siamese cross (male). I dont give them canned
> food. Only boiled potatoes and boiled fish, mashed together. My street
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> one thing more the penis spot my my cat stays dark red. I dont know
> why/?

OK, why aren't they eating regular cat food?  If you are going to do a
homemade diet, you need to know what you are doing.  It doesn't sound like
you do.  Cats need more than potatoes and fish.
It sounds like your one cat has a urinary tract infection.  Take him to the
vet ASAP.

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sriddles@aol.com - 14 Mar 2005 15:06 GMT
> i have two male persian siamese cross (male). I dont give them canned
> food. Only boiled potatoes and boiled fish, mashed together. My street
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> one thing more the penis spot my my cat stays dark red. I dont know
> why/?

Just curious, which country do you live in, who has a government vet
hospital?

Sherry
burhan_ace@hotmail.com - 14 Mar 2005 17:28 GMT
ok guys to let you know......... these are not my cats...... one of my
friends have them.....  we live in Pakistan..... here its really hard
to get a good vet..... we have either no vets or some government
hospitals in big cities (its even harder to find any cat specialist
there)...... so whenever we encounter any problem regarding pets
"internet" is our only source...... we friends have made a group so tat
we share our problem regarding health of pets..... if the vet is unable
to diagnose we search for cure on the net ......... i hope u
understand.... by the way i will gather up ur suggestions and post them
to my friend..... so plzz if anyone is a vet here or able to help.....
plzzzz don`t make fun of us and try to help us
KellyH - 14 Mar 2005 17:36 GMT
> ok guys to let you know......... these are not my cats...... one of my
> friends have them.....  we live in Pakistan..... here its really hard
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> to my friend..... so plzz if anyone is a vet here or able to help.....
> plzzzz don`t make fun of us and try to help us

If you can get a hold of regular cat food, that will really help.  Are these
cats neutered?
Do you have any way of getting veterinary medication?  I would not normally
recommend medicating without seeing a vet, but if that's impossible, then
you may have to.  If you can get a medication called Clavamox, that will
help if it is a urinary tract infection.

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Karen - 14 Mar 2005 18:03 GMT
> > ok guys to let you know......... these are not my cats...... one of my
> > friends have them.....  we live in Pakistan..... here its really hard
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> you may have to.  If you can get a medication called Clavamox, that will
> help if it is a urinary tract infection.

REally try to find the cat some antibiotics (clamavox). See if that vet will
help you. If you have to make the cats food, try to follow what is below. I
mean, if you can even get CLOSE to it, the cat will be better off. Does it
hunt on its own? Where in Pakistan are you all?

Diet for Adult Cats:
Feed an adult cat as much as she will eat in 20 to 30 minutes. Refrigerate
the leftovers promptly. It is recommended that you feed your adult cats
twice a day. This recipe provides approximately three servings.
Choose one protein source (meat amounts given in raw weight):

1/2 pound boneless chicken breast or thigh, minced
6 ounces ground turkey, or minced turkey (dark meat)
1/2 pound lean beef, minced
1/2 pound beef, chicken or turkey heart, ground or minced

About three times per week, include one chopped hard-boiled or scrambled
egg. If you would like, once a week, substitute 4 ounces of organic liver
for 1/2 of any meat source. Another option is to substitute a four-ounce can
of tuna that is packed in water, a six-ounce can of sandines, or a
five-ounce can of salmon with bones for any meat source once every two
weeks. Do not use canned fish as a protein source for cats that are prone to
urinary tract problems.
For cats needing a lower protein diet, add one cup of cooked white rice.

Supplements:
Two teaspoons of olive oil or one teaspoon of olive oil and one teaspoon of
flaxseed oil
300 mg. of calcium (as carbonate or citrate) or about one slightly rounded
teaspoon of bone meal (human grade). (If using canned fish with bones,
decrease calcium to 1/4 regular amount.)
One to two tablespoons of pureed vegetables since many cats prefer their
veggies lightly steamed or vegetable baby food (without onion powder).
1/4 teaspoon of salt substitute (potassium chloride) should be given three
to four times per week.
One cat-size dose of multiple vitamin-mineral supplements (human quality) or
cat vitamin
One probiotic/digestive enzyme supplement
80 mg of Taurine (omit if using cat vitamin)

Other sources of books and web sites:
API also suggests that you obtain one or more of the following books, so
that you have a more complete understanding of canine and/or feline
nutritional needs. API does not sell these books. It is essential that you
follow any diet's recommendations closely, including all ingredients and
supplements. Failure to do so may result in serious health consequences for
your animal companion.

Dr. Pitcairn's Guide to Natural Health for Dogs and Cats. Richard Pitcairn,
DVM, and Susan Pitcairn. Rodale Press. ISBN 075962432. (This is very good)
Natural Cat Care. Celeste Yarnall. Charles E. Tuttle Co., Inc. ISBN
1885203632.
"Home-Prepared Dog and Cat Diets: the Healthful Alternative". Donald R.
Strombeck, DVM. Iowa State University Press. ISBN 0813821495.
It's for the Animals! Natural Care & Resources. Helen L. McKinnon. C.S.A.
Inc. Available from www.ItsForTheAnimals.com; P.O. Box 1913; Fairview, NC
28730; toll-free 1-888-339-IFTA (4382); info@itsfortheanimals.com.
Rona Y. - 14 Mar 2005 22:52 GMT
> ok guys to let you know......... these are not my cats...... one of my
> friends have them.....  we live in Pakistan..... here its really hard
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> them to my friend..... so plzz if anyone is a vet here or able to
> help..... plzzzz don`t make fun of us and try to help us

How do you post through an ISP from Melbourne, Australia if you're in
Pakistan?  Perhaps there's a way, but it's seems suspicious.

rona

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Mary - 15 Mar 2005 00:39 GMT
> > ok guys to let you know......... these are not my cats...... one of my
> > friends have them.....  we live in Pakistan..... here its really hard
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> How do you post through an ISP from Melbourne, Australia if you're in
> Pakistan?  Perhaps there's a way, but it's seems suspicious.

His IP resolved to Amsterdam when I looked.
Karen - 15 Mar 2005 18:39 GMT
>> ok guys to let you know......... these are not my cats...... one of my
>> friends have them.....  we live in Pakistan..... here its really hard
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> rona

I checked the NNTP IP in all three messages and it comes up Monaco. Now, I
don't know how that would work through Pakistan, but is seems an odd troll.
Not very inflamatory. Innocuous subject really. Not that there aren't some
conflicting statements, but I don't see where you are pulling up Melbourne
for an IP.
KellyH - 15 Mar 2005 21:34 GMT
> I checked the NNTP IP in all three messages and it comes up Monaco. Now, I
> don't know how that would work through Pakistan, but is seems an odd
> troll.
> Not very inflamatory. Innocuous subject really. Not that there aren't some
> conflicting statements, but I don't see where you are pulling up Melbourne
> for an IP.

I tend to doubt this guy's a troll.  If he's in Pakistan, and accessing the
Internet from cafes and such, those computers could be using a variety of
Usenet news servers.
I know this will seem dumb, but I can't figure out how to see the IP of a
message using OE.  When I look at my own messages, it shows that I'm posting
through uni-berlin.de, because I'm using Individual.Net.  But, my Internet
access is from Comcast in Massachusetts.  I can't see where it shows that
I'm in even in the US.
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Justin L - 15 Mar 2005 22:10 GMT
<snip>
>I know this will seem dumb, but I can't figure out how to see the IP of a
>message using OE.  <snip>

right click on message, and click properties. Go to the details tab,
and look for NNTP posting host.

HTH

Justin
Karen - 15 Mar 2005 22:22 GMT
> <snip>
>> I know this will seem dumb, but I can't figure out how to see the IP of a
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Justin

then google for an IP finder. This one is obscure enough some will say they
can't find it, but two different ones come up Monaco. I don't think he is
trolling either.
Monique Y. Mudama - 15 Mar 2005 22:42 GMT
>> right click on message, and click properties. Go to the details tab, and
>> look for NNTP posting host.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> can't find it, but two different ones come up Monaco. I don't think he is
> trolling either.

It's not surprising that these sorts of tools aren't 100% accurate.  An IP
address has nothing to do with physical location; it has to do with the block
of IP addresses your ISP has reserved, and that sort of thing changes.

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KellyH - 15 Mar 2005 23:02 GMT
> then google for an IP finder. This one is obscure enough some will say
> they
> can't find it, but two different ones come up Monaco. I don't think he is
> trolling either.

I know how to find out where an IP resolves to; I just didn't know where to
find it in the headers using OE.  I've used samspade.org before to look up
IP's. Justin suggested looking at the NNTP posting host.  I noticed some
posts have that, some don't.  For example, yours and mine don't, it looks
like you are posting through Individual.net too.
Can someone look at my post and see what IP from which I am posting?
Sorry to sound like an idiot, but everyone (on this group and others) talks
about what IP people are posting from and I didn't know how to see it.

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Justin L - 15 Mar 2005 23:10 GMT
>> then google for an IP finder. This one is obscure enough some will say
>> they
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>Sorry to sound like an idiot, but everyone (on this group and others) talks
>about what IP people are posting from and I didn't know how to see it.

It looks like yours is hidden. It may be something individual.net does
to protect customers?

Justin
Mary - 16 Mar 2005 00:58 GMT
> It looks like yours is hidden. It may be something individual.net does
> to protect customers?

Teranews does it too. However, all it takes is a
hex editor and a few simple instructions to alter
the IP addresses in Usenet posts.
Mary - 16 Mar 2005 01:52 GMT
> >> then google for an IP finder. This one is obscure enough some will say
> >> they
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> It looks like yours is hidden. It may be something individual.net does
> to protect customers?

It does. So does teranews.
Justin L - 15 Mar 2005 23:14 GMT
>> then google for an IP finder. This one is obscure enough some will say
>> they
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>Sorry to sound like an idiot, but everyone (on this group and others) talks
>about what IP people are posting from and I didn't know how to see it.

also,
There is an x-trace, which is what individual.net would use to track
down abusers.

Justin
Karen - 15 Mar 2005 23:20 GMT
>> then google for an IP finder. This one is obscure enough some will say
>> they
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Sorry to sound like an idiot, but everyone (on this group and others) talks
> about what IP people are posting from and I didn't know how to see it.

yeah, I don't see one in your headers.
Mary - 16 Mar 2005 01:55 GMT
> I know this will seem dumb, but I can't figure out how to see the IP of a
> message using OE.  When I look at my own messages, it shows that I'm
posting
> through uni-berlin.de, because I'm using Individual.Net.  But, my Internet
> access is from Comcast in Massachusetts.  I can't see where it shows that
> I'm in even in the US.

Your news server masks your IP address. Mine does too.
Some do, some don't. If you look at the properties of my
post you will see that you cannot see my Bellsouth IP either.

That said, it is easy to change one's IP address for
Usenet posts. All you need is a hex editor and some
simple instructions.
Mary - 16 Mar 2005 01:01 GMT
> I know this will seem dumb, but I can't figure out how to see the IP of a
> message using OE.  When I look at my own messages, it shows that I'm posting
> through uni-berlin.de, because I'm using Individual.Net.  But, my Internet
> access is from Comcast in Massachusetts.  I can't see where it shows that
> I'm in even in the US.

Your news server masks your IP address. Mine does too.
Some do, some don't. If you look at the properties of my
post you will see that you cannot see my Bellsouth IP either.
Noon Cat Nick - 15 Mar 2005 04:55 GMT
> i have two male persian siamese cross (male). I dont give them canned
> food. Only boiled potatoes and boiled fish, mashed together. My street
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> one thing more the penis spot my my cat stays dark red. I dont know
> why/?

You can start by giving them canned food. Animals require a particular
enzyme in order to digest and utilize food properly. This enzyme is
found in the stomachs of all animals...except cats. Cats get this enzyme
from killing and eating other animals, stomachs included. But potatoes
and fish meat won't supply this very necessary substance. Makers of cat
food fortify their products with this enzyme. Without it, serious
illness will result. You're already seeing the effects of your cats'
improper diet.

Have them checked for urinary tract infection and other possible
infections. Antibiotics plus a permanent change in diet seems the proper course.
Meghan Noecker - 15 Mar 2005 09:59 GMT
>i have two male persian siamese cross (male). I dont give them canned
>food. Only boiled potatoes and boiled fish, mashed together. My street
>cats eat this too.

Not sure what the potattoes are for. Regular fish is not good for
cats, except as a treat. Fish has to be supplemented or it will make
the cat sick.

Why not just give the cat some regular cat food? Something designed
for the proper nutrition of a cat?

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burhan_ace@hotmail.com - 15 Mar 2005 17:12 GMT
ok we managed to find a vet.......... which is a zoo keeper plus
vet...... he had a gr8 experience with cats......  so we are going to
get the cat treated by that vet.......

and about the food......... i myself is giving my cat Canned food by
Whiskas and friskies(Go-Cat Vitality) ...... so i also suggested the
same to my friend ......... but i wanna make sure that does only canned
food make up the balanced diet for the cat...... or we need some other
supplements with the canned food.....

.
plus there are also some problems that we encounter from time to
time........ so this leaves us with thousands of questions ......... so
i hope u guys won`t mind helping us.....

plus my cat don`t drink water that much...... is this something to
worry about........and how can i encourage my cat to drink
water........ i replace the water with the fresh one daily....
Karen - 15 Mar 2005 18:24 GMT
> ok we managed to find a vet.......... which is a zoo keeper plus
> vet...... he had a gr8 experience with cats......  so we are going to
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> worry about........and how can i encourage my cat to drink
> water........ i replace the water with the fresh one daily....

Eathing canned food provides most of his water. However, putting several
bowls around in different places really helps encourage more drinking. I'm
glad you found a vet. Fish may be your problem. My vet, who is a feline
specialist, says that fish has too many minerals, particularly for male
cats. If you have been giving it to him regularly, he may not be able to
process that.  Some cats do not have a problem, but some do. It looks like
yours is maybe one of those. Good luck and let us know if he gets better.
Karen - 15 Mar 2005 18:36 GMT
> ok we managed to find a vet.......... which is a zoo keeper plus
> vet...... he had a gr8 experience with cats......  so we are going to
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> worry about........and how can i encourage my cat to drink
> water........ i replace the water with the fresh one daily....

OK, one question, you said you DON'T give them canned food in one post and
you do in this post. Which is it.
KellyH - 15 Mar 2005 21:36 GMT
> OK, one question, you said you DON'T give them canned food in one post and
> you do in this post. Which is it.

The original question was about someone else's cats.

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Mary - 15 Mar 2005 19:24 GMT
> ok we managed to find a vet.......... which is a zoo keeper plus
> vet...... he had a gr8 experience with cats......  so we are going to
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> food make up the balanced diet for the cat...... or we need some other
> supplements with the canned food.....

No, any canned food designed for cats will have the things
your cat needs. Some are better than others but ALL are
better than people food. What is at stake: your cat could
go blind if fed people food that does not have the things
cats need in it.

> .
> plus there are also some problems that we encounter from time to
> time........ so this leaves us with thousands of questions ......... so
> i hope u guys won`t mind helping us.....

Everyone here is happy to help you.

> plus my cat don`t drink water that much...... is this something to
> worry about........and how can i encourage my cat to drink
> water........ i replace the water with the fresh one daily....

Somebody here said that cats drink more if they have
a few bowls of water in different places in the house.
I tried it and it works! Also, feeding canned food
will help give kitty water. Good luck, and thanks
for taking such good care of your kitty. I'm sure
she will bring you joy for years to come.
KellyH - 15 Mar 2005 21:38 GMT
> ok we managed to find a vet.......... which is a zoo keeper plus
> vet...... he had a gr8 experience with cats......  so we are going to
> get the cat treated by that vet.......

Good!  Glad to hear it.

> and about the food......... i myself is giving my cat Canned food by
> Whiskas and friskies(Go-Cat Vitality) ...... so i also suggested the
> same to my friend ......... but i wanna make sure that does only canned
> food make up the balanced diet for the cat...... or we need some other
> supplements with the canned food.....

Canned food is just fine for a cat.  If you have any dry cat food available,
you can give some for snacks.  It is better that they eat mostly canned.

> .
> plus there are also some problems that we encounter from time to
> time........ so this leaves us with thousands of questions ......... so
> i hope u guys won`t mind helping us.....

No problem!

> plus my cat don`t drink water that much...... is this something to
> worry about........and how can i encourage my cat to drink
> water........ i replace the water with the fresh one daily....

If he's eating all canned, then he doesn't need to drink much water.  Like
others have said, if you put a variety of bowls around the house, he might
be more interested.

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Joe Canuck - 15 Mar 2005 22:15 GMT
> i have two male persian siamese cross (male). I dont give them canned
> food. Only boiled potatoes and boiled fish, mashed together.

Potatoes and fish won't give the cat all the nutrients it requires.

This is an excellent example of a homebrewed diet that will in fact be
much worse for your cats than a commercial pet food.

> My street
> cats eat this too. But i am having a problem nowaday.

No surprise the problems have started.

> both of them are
> 1 year old. One of them has started crying. He cries alot, and pisses
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> one thing more the penis spot my my cat stays dark red. I dont know
> why/?

I'd suggest you immediately take all the cats to the vet and explain
what has been going on.
 
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