Stick around. We got more drama around here than we
know what to do with. And a few drama queens, too. 8)

HOWEDY professor SCRUFF SHAKE,

         Doc Dermer

HOWEDY Soup,

"michael 2.4 beta" <michael24b...@yoohoogoogle.co­m> wrote in
message news:Kr6dnd0cIpl0g5HcRVn-sw@comcast.com...

Here's The Amazing Puppy Wizard's GUIDEline
for making LIFE and DEATH decisions, Soup:

"Before making ANY important decision or determining
if an idea is EHTICAL MORAL and APUPRIATE, The
Amazing Puppy Wizard ALWAYS ASKS HISSELF:
"NINNYBOY, WOULD YOU BET YOUR DOGGAMNED
LIFE ON THAT?"

The answer SUDDENLY APPEARS, ALMOST as
THOWE as if by freakin MAGICK, EVERY TIME.

Don't it, Soup.

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-10 13:34:38 PST

In article <HRI27.3908$187.184...@news-re­p.ab.videon.ca> "Jenn"

<d...@try.it> writes:

Jenn,

Could you be so kind as to post here the section from Jerry's
manual where he writes that you should JUST praise the dog
when it barks?????????

As I recall, I thought he first advocates distracting the
dog from barking, with keys or the soft sound of pennies
in a can, before praising.

Perhaps you can tutor me regarding Jerry's system.

Thanks in advance!

--Marshall Dermer

PS: I don't read Jerry's posts but I look forward to your
   post.
______________________________­______________________________­_

I have read rpdb for about five years. Consequently, I urge
newbies to attend to the civil and rational posts of the rpdb
regulars from whom I have learned much. They include: Ann
(,Twzl, Sligo & Roy), Amy Dahl, Diane Blackman, jdoee, Janet
Boss, Susan Fraser, Avrama Gingold, Nancy Holmes, Lynn
Kosmakos, Bob Maida, MaryBeth, Ruth Mays, Cindy Tittle
Moore, Robin Nuttall, Denna Pace, John Richardson, Sarah
Sionnach, Ludwig Smith, Jane Webb, and Terri Willis.

     Marshall Dermer/Associate Professor/Behavior Analysis
     Specialty/Department of Psychology/University of Wisconsin-
     -Milwaukee/ Milwaukee, WI 53201

             der...@uwm.edu   http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer

CuriHOWES AIN'T IT, that thems all the liars
dog abusers cowards and active long term
incurable mental cases who HURT and MURDER
dogs and LIE abHOWET IT.

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Clicker training "stay"
Date: 2001-06-21 20:25:38 PST

In article <iqtY6.5456$rA2.1119...@news-r­ep.ab.videon.ca> "Jenn"

<d...@try.it> writes:

BWWWWWEEEJAJAJAJAJAJAAAAA!!!

I'm not Jerry but sure you could use a clicker to
distract a dog but that is not the purpose of a clicker.

You can also use a teaspoon to cut steak but that
is not the purpose of teaspoon!

--Marshall

______________________________­______________________________­_

I have read rpdb for about five years. Consequently, I urge
newbies to attend to the civil and rational posts of the rpdb
regulars from whom I have learned much. They include: Ann
(,Twzl, Sligo & Roy), Amy Dahl, Diane Blackman, jdoee, Janet
Boss, Susan Fraser, Avrama Gingold, Nancy Holmes, Lynn
Kosmakos, Bob Maida, MaryBeth, Ruth Mays, Cindy Tittle
Moore, Robin Nuttall, Denna Pace, John Richardson, Sarah
Sionnach, Ludwig Smith, Jane Webb, and Terri Willis.

Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University of
Wisconsin-Milwaukee/ Milwaukee, WI 53201/ der...@uwm.edu
              http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer

"Knowing how things work is the basis for appreciation,
and is thus a source of civilized delight."--William Safire

Here's a former regular who hasn't posted since:

"If I Knew It Would Be That Easy, I Would Have Done
This A Long Time Ago Saving Myself 5 Years Of Dealing
With A Bouncy, Over Excited Dog!, Jenn.

Hello Jenn,

"brijen" <bri...@vennercnospams.com> wrote in message

news:397cfaa3_1@news.oanet.com...

Good.

I recall.

Yeah, dog training should always be more fun than work.

It's the same principle as in the Hot And Cold Exercise.

Fine. That's because dogs learn on the basis of
four repetitions. That's not to say they can't learn
some things faster, but for breaking habits, it usually
happens the fourth time we repeat a lesson.

Then we need to repeat the lesson at three more
locations our time in each to generalize the idea.
Let's say your dog gets excited when you take her
lead and go to the front door. She would probably
do the same at the back door, but to not such a degree.

Likewise for any other door.

It would behoove you to repeat the exercise with
several other doors and it would be easiest to
start with a door that had less excitement involved
with it.

The non force methods work fast and easy because
we are not challenging the dog or calling our attention
to their behavior problems.

Yes, those habits are hard to break. It's easier for
me to train a person who has no experience at all
because they have no bad habits of pulling and
forcing control.

You know that working the dog in the back yard is not
preferable, because that causes them some anxiety
because it's their free area. But with your dog and with
the difficulty he is to handle, I don't see any reason you
shouldn't do the Family Leadership Exercise and the
come command several times out there, and then you'll
have the control to do it in a more neutral area.

Our group likes to think that is EXCITEMENT and
eagerness to work. It is sheer terror. The pinch collar
works by overriding the opposition reflex through fear
and that cause tremendous stress and anxiety that
must be released through anxiety relief mechanisms
like barking, digging, whining, chewing, self mutilation
and aggression.

That's where I was three dozen years ago. I was
ready to just quit. I wasn't going to sour any more
dogs to make them work.

I was thinking about your difficulties with your dog.
Just getting the Hot And Cold Exercise and the Family
Leadership Exercise and the come command installed
will solve most of your difficulty with him.

I presume you've got msn messenger. We can speak
over that if you are set up for it, and I can demonstrate
the timing and tone and tempo for using sound distractions
and praise, or we could speak on the phone.

The most important thing to remember is to pick up and
handle the lead in a relaxed manner, no white knuckles,
keep your elbow relaxed and your arm down at your side
with the length of the lead breaking just below the knee.

Let me know if you need further help. Jerry.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff & Di"
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: help, with the At Wits End training manual

HOWEDY Diana,

Of curse!

That'll increase anxiHOWESNESS.

I wouldn't recommend offering a physical
distraction for two reasons. 1) she's likely
to become dependent on putting something
in her MHOWETH when she's stressed and
2) it may disavail you of successive training
opportunities necessary to extinguish the behavior.

See, we really do want her to notice, so
we can briefly and variably distract and
praise to extinguish the behavior.

Well, it worked well for you this time. Don't
use the ball again the next time, just follow
the praise techniques.

INDEEDY. That's the bottom line for successful
nearly instant training. That's why bribing and
withholding bribes fails, cause anxiety increases
as we withhold the reward to elicit the behavior.

Right. Physical contact distracts the dog from
thinking and processing the information.

Yeah. It only takes a few minutes to appupriately
extinguish any behavior, but you've got to know HOWE.

"Reinforcement NEVER ends."

That's HOWE COME when we train dogs using
non physical methods the behavior is not dependent
on HOWER ability to reinforce manage supervise
bribe and avoid... IOW, we've HOWEtwitted the
cunning of the domestic puppy dog by tempting
the dog to do the undesirable behavior and distracting
and praising before the thought is fulfilled till it's
no longer thought of as a useful behavior.

Just wait till you apply my methods to your kids.
My methods have rehabilitated severe hyperactive
kids as fast and permanent as the dogs I've heelped.

Not a chance in heel. If Mrs. Puppy Wizard discovered
it I'd be wearin an apron and workin insetead of settin
right here, stark ravin nekkid, wearin nuthin but these
gawd awful paper slippers.

My pleasure. Consider it my vindictive nature...

Makes The Amazing Puppy Wizard grind HIS teeth...

I probably should do sumpthin. The dog lovers
on the news groups ain't interested in training
their dogs, they seem to enjoy discussing behavior
problems and the training tools they used to cause
them.

Yeah, but a lot of folks don't like to read my posts
cause HOWER dog lovers like to tell foks they're
forgeries.

Thank you, but I really wish you'll repost them
cause it'll be more believable coming from you.

These folks think it should take weeks and months
to rehabiliatate behavior problems. They think they're
successful if they've rehabilitated an aggresson problem
after a year or longer working at it.

That ain't gonna happen cause decent folks
don't post there. Every WON is interested
in saving dogs lives by hurting them as a last
resort when forcing avoiding and bribing didn't work.

LikeWIZE.

Yours, Jerry.

HOWEDY Brandy,

<news:2f66e35d.0407262049.7b3a7b51@posting.google.com>...

Well THAT IS encouraging, AIN'T IT.

It's customary here abHOWETS to put
NINNYBOY [NINNYBOY] Jerry JERRY
[JERRY] The Puppy Wizard The Amazing
Puppy Wizard in the subject header to
AVOID EMBARRASSMENT.

The Puppy Wizard sez "A dog is a dog as a child
is a child. They only respond in PREDICTABLE
NORMAL NATURAL INNATE INSTINCTIVE
REFLEXIVE ways to situations and circumstances
of their environment which we create for them.

ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY
MISHANDLING. Damn The Descartean War of
"Nature Vs Nurture." We Teach By HOWER Words
And Actions And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH. SAME SAME SAME
SAME, For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Bousie
To: The Puppy Wizard
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 4:35 AM
Subject: Geday.

Hey J,

Glad to see you're still trying to set the Abuse group
straight.  I dunno where you get your perseverance
from, they exhausted me ages ago, I still read it
occasionally and the advice isn't getting any better,
keep up the good work.

Paul

============> | ----- Original Message -----

----- Original Message -----
From: "N"
To: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: Hi Jerry

HOWEDY N,

Indeed. Over the years my information
and consistency have become more
inflexible thanks to the constant challenges
especially from the more learned university
trained behaviorists.

The ng's have been a wonderful learning
experience for me. Have you read "Misbehavior
Of Organism's" by Breeland and Breeland?

Nothing makes for better business than
tough competition. And giving it up for
FREE is a special reward. Perhaps that
only caters to my own vindictive nature?

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~  )    >

From: Paul B (pand...@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Can packleader influence rank?
Date: 2002-02-25 00:51:48 PST

I use sound to distract the dog and praise it
immediately. The reason for the immediate
praise is that as soon as the dog is distracted
it's no longer thinking of the inappropriate
behaviour so the praise reinforces the "not
doing" the unwanted behaviour.

I use various sound sources, a soda can
with stones in it, car keys, Click my fingers,
etc. Varying the direction of the sound each
time is important too, otherwise the dog may
begin to anticipate the sound and it will lose
it's effect, if the noise direction is random the
dog won't get too familiar with it and it will
remain an effective distraction.

Remember too that we aren't trying to scare
the bejesus outta the dog, simply breaking it's
train of thought while it's thinking of the unwanted
behaviour.

Sometimes you won't even see a reaction
but the dog will have been distracted fleetingly.
(Recently one of my dogs started habitually
licking my feet while I was watching TV, I clicked
my fingers on her left side and told her "good girl"
even though she only paused her licking briefly,
next I clicked over her right side and praised, by
about the 4th repeat she suddenly stopped, I
repeated this over a few nights and now she
doesn't lick any more, on the few occasions she
absent mindedly licks now all I do is click and
praise and she immediately stops).

Timing is important too, learn to anticipate
when the dog isthinking about doing the
"dirty deed" and distract and praise then,
with any luck the dog will try again almost
immediately so distract and praise again,
if the timing is correct after about the 4th
rep the dog will stop.

I could go on but this post is long enough
already, remember too that the dog isn't
being a "bad dog", it's behaviour is simply
inappropriate for the circumstances.

Happy training, :-)

Paul

======================="The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior
Never Change, Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Would
Not Obtain Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results
For All Handler's And All Dogs, As Taught In Your FREE
Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End
Dog Training Method Manual."

Disciple Paulie Writes:

I've never forced my dogs to do anything, I tell them
they are good dogs and they seem to follow me, once
I told them they were bad dogs and they ran away from
me, now I only ever tell them they are good dogs and
they always are, always.

Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say "good dog"
sincerely at the end of the request and I bet you'll
find your dog thinking then responding everytime.

A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies
to every aspect of the relationship with your dog.

Obedience and affection are not related, if they were
everyone would have obedient dogs.

Paul.

=====================  Disciple Paulie Sez: "No One Understands How Wits
 End Training Really Works, They Assume It's All Nicey
 Nicey And don't Realise It's A Very Disciplined Method
 That Deals With Any Situation And The Foundation Is
 Built On Trust And Understanding."

"Speech is a mirror of the soul: as a man speaks,
so is he." Publilius Syrus, First century B.C., Maxim 1073

                        "We are what we do."

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST

And how do we know this aspect of his advice is right?

Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.

His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.

--Marshall

=============="Marshall Dermer" <der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>
wrote in message news:9ihtee$7ib$1@uwm.edu...

From: Paul B (NOSPAMpand...@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 00:13:28 PST

Hello Marshall,

The way I view it from my observation of how
my dogs react is that the distraction interrupts
the dogs thought, not for good or bad, just
interrupts, the dog is therefore distracted for
a second and then will either continue the
behaviour or do something else.

The praise reassures the dog that the sound
distraction is not a threat or punishment,
however if everytime the dog resumes a
particular behaviour it's distracted immediately
(and praised immediately for reassurance) then
it quickly decides this behaviour is not fulfilling
and it ceases.

A dog will offer another behaviour in it's place
and if that is acceptable to us then we let it be
otherwise the distraction continues until a suitable
alternate behaviour is offered.

One example, Sam used to jump up on me
when I arrived home, I would shake can to
distract him right at the moment he was
about to jump up, after about 4 repetitions
he tried sitting and offering me his paw, of
course this was fine so I let it be.

While the concept of shake cans is not new,
I haven't read any other advice that says to
praise immediately regardless of what the
dog does next (the common advice is to
praise once the dog is doing a desired
behaviour or at least stopped the unwanted
behaviour), this is unique to Jerry (and Marilyn)
and from my own experiences is an important
part of the process.

===========> There really is NOTHING new about the advice above!

Nuthin EXXXCEPT HOWE IT'S DONE.

Subject: Re: Lab/Rot 11 Months (TEMPER PROBLEMS)
Date: 2004-05-21 19:22:05 PST

-----------------------

HOWEDY Group,

Here some SUCCESS STORIES ive had using
JERRY'S MANUAL

1) My dogz, two bitches - Vicious, barking,
aggressive, pulled on leash, wanted to kill
any dogs they saw, fought between each other.

TWO WEEKS using Jerry's manual, they
were calm, friends, my companions.

2) ADDED A BEAGLE PUPPY (male) to my "PACK", the
girls had -NO PROBLEMS- with him from the moment I
dropped him by their noses.

3) My FRIENDS dogs  2 MALES barking and jumping
at the fence all night 3 DAYS TRAINING WITH JERRY'S
MANUAL they were CALMED AND HAVEN'T BARKED ONCE!

Added a NEW MALE DOG (2 yrs old) AND
WELCOMED HIM WITH NO WUCKAS !

4) POODLE that ATE food from the KITCHEN BENCH -
lock him in a box? NO! USE JERRYS MANUAL! 4 DAYS
AND HES NEVER DONE IT SINCE!

5) ABUSED DOGS AT THE SHELTER I WORK AT -
HAD TO BE FED WITH A BUCKET ON  A STICK -
ONE WEEK ON JERRYS MANUAL, THE SUPERVISOR
TOLD ME TO PUT THEM IN THE PUBLIC KENNELS
FOR SALE !

Quite amazing to - I thought they were just dull coloured
dogs, but after I had removed the fear and anxiety their
hairs coloured up amazingly.

6) STAFFY FEMALE who would NOT DROP HER
BALL! She carried it around all day and night - 3
DAYS on jerrys MANUAL and she now DROPS
it when u ASK her to!

BWHWHAHAHAHAAHA !!!!

Nevyn

================Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 9:06 AM

Hello.

I never posted here (or anywhere) before.
I never trained or owned a dog before this
year.

I downloaded the Wit's End, read it, corresponded
with Mr. Howe and trained my dog to come and to
stop barking in a weekend.

Our dog, Jake, had been treated with kindness the
whole time we had him, about 10 months, but his
earlier life is unknown.

I worked on the hot-cold exercise for about 30
minutes when he suddenly "got it". After that
he came to me every time with no hesitation.

I used the cans filled with pennies to teach him
not to bark. If he now starts to bark, I go to the
door or window, say "Good Boy, its' alright" and
he usually calms down right away.

A couple of times I had to get the cans
out again to reinforce the behavior.

We feel a strong bond with this animal
and he is very eager to accept our love.

So with all the vitriolic spewing going on,
I have to believe Mr. Howe is right.

His method worked for us.

I don't know if it would have been quite
as effective if we had tried another method first.

Florence
------------------------------­------

----- Original Message -----
From: "nicole" <To: "Jerald D. Howe">
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:46 AM
Subject: Off to a good start!

Hi Jerald, Just wanted to tell you we read
your manual and have started working with
the dogs...

"Chloe" (the one we adopted--a. k. a.
"The Destroyer") has already shown
great improvement! (In Just 1 DAY!)

She responds even better than our other
(better-behaved) dog "Poe".

We tried out the surrogate toy technique, and
not a thing was touched when we got back!

We were both surprised because Chloe isn't
that interested in toys and was still very uptight
about us reaching for the door... anyway, it
seemed to work.

We both work all day today so we'll see
how that goes... Regardless, we will be
cool as cukes when we get home! ;)

I'm just so thankful we might have a chance
to get through to her! We're very excited about
her progress thus far...

Thank You!

Nicole, Michael, Poe and especially Chloe!

______________________________­____

Like a SCRUFF SHAKE, professor?

You mean like SCREAMING "NO!" into ITS face
for 5 seconds?

NO, professor SCRUFF SHAKE.

THAT AIN'T HOWE IT WORKS.

NO, professor. You don't UNDERSTAND the METHOD.

And BYE THE BYE, professor, The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's METHOD IS SCIENTIFICALLY
INDEPENDENTLY PROVEN through OBSERVATION
of HIS DDR operating withHOWET human intervention.

REMEMBER? Or perhaps you FORGOT?

===========================From: Paul B (NOSPAMpand...@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Get off the bed... please?
Date: 2001-07-03 03:05:59 PST

A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies to
every aspect of the relationship with your dog.

Paul.

--------------------------

The Puppy Wizard sez "A dog is a dog as a child
is a child. They only respond in PREDICTABLE
NORMAL NATURAL INNATE INSTINCTIVE
REFLEXIVE ways to situations and circumstances
of their environment which we create for them.

ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY
MISHANDLING. Damn The Descartean War of
"Nature Vs Nurture." We Teach By HOWER Words
And Actions And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH. SAME SAME SAME
SAME, For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

ANAL-yize THIS, professor SCRUFF SHAKE:

Here's professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research
at UofWI marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
"NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
box for ten minutes contemplation" dermer:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

******IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?*******

When our dog was a puppy,  "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works."

THAT'S INSANE. AIN'T IT, professor dermer.

That's HOWE COME your dog has OCD behaviors
and is deathly ill from The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.

       The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{}TPW ; ~  }   >

P.S.  Contacting Dr. P:

Please note that due to the large number of
requests I receive, I can no longer give free,
personal advice on problems related to dog
training and behavior.

In order for me to give such advice we would
have to "talk" about the problem at length.

That is, I would need detailed information about
the dog, it's environment and routine, the problem,
and the situation in which the problem occurs.

Thus, this type of consultation takes time which
I cannot afford to give away for free.

If you wish such advice, please see the information
I have provided about my K9 Behavioral Consulting
practice. Another alternative to obtaining personal
advice is to participate in e-mail, chat room, &
newsgroup discussions.

P.P.S. BWEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

               YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer!

             Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And
             Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS
                                BUSINESS.

       "If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
                      and you will know each other.
        If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
               and what you do not know you will fear.

                      What one fears, one destroys."
                             Chief Dan George

              "(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
              few regulars here who are either ill-
              tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),"
                                   --Marshall

             "If you've got them by the balls their hearts
                             and minds will follow,"
                                   John Wayne.

              The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{}TPW ; ~  }   >

What does Soup think? The Amazing Puppy Wizard
HAS BET HIS DOGGAMENED LIFE ON IT and highly
recommends you do likeWIZE.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAAA­A!!!

Try this, you simpleton:

HOWEDY trish,

suja is a dog abusing mental case.

Khan broke her arm and attacked the "RESCUE"
Malamute suja "ADOPTED."

IMAGINE? Perhaps THAT'S HOWE COME
we call it The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.

Your dogs are suffering STRESS INDUCED
AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE, aka The Puppy
Wizard's SYNDROME.

Your dog can't DIGEST protein on accHOWENT
of she's got STRESS interfering with every system
in her body. That's HOWE COME The Puppy Wizard's
SYNDROME has so many different, seemingly un
related SYMPTOMS.

Yeah. GOOD LUCK.

It breaks DHOWEN your bank accHOWENT.

You can't cure STRESS by feedin expensive CHOWE.

"Cleanliness is next to G-Dliness.

You want heelp?:

ALL behaivor and temperament problems and
most DIS-EASE is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.

Here's all the SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE YOU NEED
to know abHOWET NOT HURTING DOGS to train
them on accHOWENT of "traditional methods" DO
NOT WORK or we wouldn't NEED to MURDER dogs
we're AFRAID to HURT and INTIMIDATE someMOORE.

Here's the university EXXXPERTS sufferin
some PAIN and EMBARRASSMENT:

Subject: Re: Counter Cruising must stop

HOWEDY shannon,

BWEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

You're a MIT student and you can't
HOWEtwit the cunning of the domestic
puppy dog even after The Amazing
Puppy Wizard and all HIS 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual
Students all over the Whole Wild
World told you HOWE to do it EZ
GENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY and
FOR FREE, to boot.

Is TRAIN the dog using EFFECTIVE NON
PHYSICAL SCIENTIFIC and PSYCHOLOGICAL
CONDITIONING techniques as taught in your
FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual.

That's INSANE.

You can't AVOID a behavior to train
a dog NOT to DO that behavior.

You mean, PUNISHED.

You're a mental case.

That so? Aversives do not train dogs.

BWEEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

You're a dog abusing mental case.

BWEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!

INDEEDY.

Dog trainin AIN'T LUCK you dog abusing
mental case. "LUCK is for SUCKERS,"
The Puppy Wizard's DADDY.

Blame professor descartes, professor.

You're a liar, professor. You teach
people to hurt and murder dogs.

Cause you're a COWARD, professor.

Well professor, you've learned much from them.

You're SELLIN stuff, professor FRAUD.

You HURT dogs.

You mean DHOWEBLE TALK, professor.

YOU HURT DOGS, professor.

<snip>

BWEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!

You link to the most viciHOWES sites on the WWW.

But you're willin to TEACH IT cause you
got no effective methods.

SHAAAZZZAAAMMM???

You're an OBSTRUCTIONIST, professor DOG ABUSER.

There's NO effective SCIENTIFIC way to HURT
and INTIMIDATE dogs HOWEtside of a 24 HOWER
a day CON-TROLLED laboratory, professor.

You mean you'll do and say ANYTHING to defend
your alleged RIGHT to HURT and MURDER dogs.

Animal abuse is what you DISSEMINATE, professor.

BWEEEEEAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

BWEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

Perhaps professor plonksky should read The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's Archives on Google
and then get the heel HOWETA this business
before The doGgamened Puppy Wizard drops
the hammer on him for bein a dog abusing fraud.

CuriHOWES that the university doesn't pay
him enough so he don't need to beg money
from his readers. The Amazing Puppy Wizard
ain't never asked noWON for money to HEELP
them.

"Speech is a mirror of the soul: as a man speaks,
so is he." Publilius Syrus, First century B.C., Maxim 1073

                        "We are what we do."

From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST

And how do we know this aspect of his advice is right?

Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.

His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.

--Marshall

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From: Paul B (NOSPAMpanders@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 00:13:28 PST

Hello Marshall,

The way I view it from my observation of how
my dogs react is that the distraction interrupts
the dogs thought, not for good or bad, just
interrupts, the dog is therefore distracted for
a second and then will either continue the
behaviour or do something else.

The praise reassures the dog that the sound
distraction is not a threat or punishment,
however if everytime the dog resumes a
particular behaviour it's distracted immediately
(and praised immediately for reassurance) then
it quickly decides this behaviour is not fulfilling
and it ceases.

A dog will offer another behaviour in it's place
and if that is acceptable to us then we let it be
otherwise the distraction continues until a suitable
alternate behaviour is offered.

One example, Sam used to jump up on me
when I arrived home, I would shake can to
distract him right at the moment he was
about to jump up, after about 4 repetitions
he tried sitting and offering me his paw, of
course this was fine so I let it be.

While the concept of shake cans is not new,
I haven't read any other advice that says to
praise immediately regardless of what the
dog does next (the common advice is to
praise once the dog is doing a desired
behaviour or at least stopped the unwanted
behaviour), this is unique to Jerry (and Marilyn)
and from my own experiences is an important
part of the process.

Nuthin EXXXCEPT HOWE IT'S DONE.

From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-10 13:34:38 PST

In article <HRI27.3908$187.184000@news-rep.ab.videon.ca> "Jenn"
<dont@try.it> writes:

Could you be so kind as to post here the
section from Jerry's manual where he
writes that you should JUST praise the
dog when it barks?????????

 As I recall, I thought he first advocates
distracting the dog from barking, with
keys or the soft sound of pennies in a
can, before praising.

Perhaps you can tutor me regarding
Jerry's system.

Thanks in advance!

--Marshall Dermer

PS: I don't read Jerry's posts but I look
forward to your post.

From: Marshall Dermer (dermer@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Clicker training "stay"
Date: 2001-06-21 20:25:38 PST

In article <iqtY6.5456$rA2.1119871@news-rep.ab.videon.ca> "Jenn"
<dont@try.it> writes:

BWWWWWEEEJAJAJAJAJAJAAAAA!!!

I'm not Jerry but sure you could use a clicker to
distract a dog but that is not the purpose of a clicker.

You can also use a teaspoon to cut steak but that
is not the purpose of teaspoon!

--Marshall

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"If I Knew It Would Be That Easy, I Would Have
Done This A Long Time Ago Saving Myself 5 Years
Of Dealing With A Bouncy, Over Excited Dog!" Jenn.

Hello Jenn,

Good.

I recall.

Yeah, dog training should always be more
fun than work.

It's the same principle as in the Hot And
Cold Exercise.

Fine. That's because dogs learn on the basis of
four repetitions. That's not to say they can't learn
some things faster, but for br