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My Neighbor's Dog Ate My Cat

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Flying _Naked_People - 07 Sep 2003 23:17 GMT
Now I'm feeding her 3 two week old kittens. And I'm learning waaaay more about
cats than I ever wanted to. Like for instance, I don't think grooming is just
grooming. I think it's a necessary act - as necessary as eating (for their
nervous system??)! I have to simulate grooming with a warm damp washcloth.

But I'm confused about two of their behaviors. It's their "nose" activity. The
kittens seem to enjoy pushing their noses into my hands or arms or whatever.
And they like to stick their heads through holes. If I hold my finger and
thumb together to form a hole - they'll stick their head through it everytime.

What are they doing that for?

And if there are any inventors in here, please consider developing a "Mama
Cat." Basically, it's just a soft furry stuffed animal that randomly purrs and
has about 12 nipples sticking out of its belly. Preferrably, the nipples
should be attached to a removable bottle that people can fill with milk! Maybe
the "Mama Cat" can be plugged into a wall to generate heat too.

(Or is this already available?)

<sigh
Karen Chuplis - 08 Sep 2003 00:45 GMT
> Now I'm feeding her 3 two week old kittens. And I'm learning waaaay more about
> cats than I ever wanted to. Like for instance, I don't think grooming is just
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>
> <sigh>

Just like babies, they are "sensing". Especially if their eyes aren't open,
or just open, all they have to go by is noses. They are learning by
experience and trying to keep warm and find comfort. There is a pseudo mom
cat available at Drs. Fosters and Smith (or at least I once saw one), but it
does not have nipples, but it is snuggly.

Karen
Mary - 08 Sep 2003 00:57 GMT
>And if there are any inventors in here, please consider developing a "Mama
>Cat." Basically, it's just a soft furry stuffed animal that randomly purrs
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>
><sigh>

I'm actually trying to make one of these to nurse baby squirrels. Feeding them
every three hours around the clock is no fun. I was able to make a warm furry
mom squirrel with nipples that they enjoy. It's an IV bag full of water that I
microwave. Then I wrap that with fake fur with catac kitten nursing nipples
sewn into the fur. My next step is to get a bladder in there full of milk
attached to the nipples kind of like a boda bag.
Gandalf - 08 Sep 2003 03:04 GMT
I very, very sorry to hear about your cat. While not normally a
vindictive person, after a suitable period of time, I'm afraid there
would be one less, vicious dog in the world. Probably save some other
innocent cats/kittens. BTW no proof=no prosecution. There are so many
ways.....

And I would sleep just *fine*, thankyouverymuch.

Wish I could help with your current problem, but I haven't a clue. I'm
mostly venting about the g*d d*mn dog! ARGGGGH!

~~~~~~~~
Life without cats would be only marginally worth living.
TC, and the unmercifully, relentlessly, sweet calico kitty, Kenzie.

How you behave towards cats here below determines your status in Heaven.
- Robert Heinlein
Liz - 08 Sep 2003 16:20 GMT
> Wish I could help with your current problem, but I haven't a clue. I'm
> mostly venting about the g*d d*mn dog! ARGGGGH!

Poor dog. I do love cats much more than I love dogs but you can´t
blame the dog. Blame the owner. Kuvasz are considered one of the most
vicious breeds and my dog wouldn´t (and doesn´t) hurt a mouse.
Flying _Naked_People - 08 Sep 2003 05:06 GMT
Karen Chuplis <kchuplis@earthlink.net> wrote in article
<BB812D40.28552%kchuplis@earthlink.net>...

> Just like babies, they are "sensing". Especially if their eyes aren't open,
> or just open, all they have to go by is noses. They are learning by
> experience and trying to keep warm and find comfort. There is a pseudo mom
> cat available at Drs. Fosters and Smith (or at least I once saw one), but it
> does not have nipples, but it is snuggly.

I don't care anymore. From the time I posted this, only I want to feed them.
No one else. No "thing" else.

Lol. They are so damn cute. And I think they love me. :-D

Thank you.

> Karen
Sherry - 08 Sep 2003 05:23 GMT
>> Just like babies, they are "sensing". Especially if their eyes aren't open,
>> or just open, all they have to go by is noses. They are learning by
>> experience and trying to keep warm and find comfort. There is a pseudo mom
>> cat available at Drs. Fosters and Smith (or at least I once saw one), but
>it
>> does not have nipples, but it is snuggly.

I bought one of those at Petsmart for some day-old fosters once. "She" had a
"heart" inside that beat like a real mom cat. The heart quit working after two
or three days. So I took it back, and the new one "died" after less than a
week. $29.95 and I couldn't keep the darn thing alive. The poor kittens were
probably very confused.

Sherry
IBen Getiner - 09 Sep 2003 09:01 GMT
> Now I'm feeding her 3 two week old kittens. And I'm learning waaaay more about
> cats than I ever wanted to. Like for instance, I don't think grooming is just
> grooming. I think it's a necessary act - as necessary as eating (for their
> nervous system??)! I have to simulate grooming with a warm damp washcloth.

It is a nervous behaviour that has no purpose whatsoever. I have
scolded our cat about this on numerous times, but he still does it
anyway. We even bathed him on a regualar basis thinking it was
something bad on his coat. But it did no good.

> But I'm confused about two of their behaviors. It's their "nose" activity. The
> kittens seem to enjoy pushing their noses into my hands or arms or whatever.
> And they like to stick their heads through holes. If I hold my finger and
> thumb together to form a hole - they'll stick their head through it everytime.
>
> What are they doing that for?

It's another fetish. Some cats never outgrow it. Cats are
fetish-driven animals. They are obsessive and compulsive and they do
as they please. But isn't that why we love them?
Seriously, though... I think it must bring them back to the moment
when they slid out of the womb or something. It issues them some
comfort. Comfrot being something else that they seek with equal vigor.

> And if there are any inventors in here, please consider developing a "Mama
> Cat." Basically, it's just a soft furry stuffed animal that randomly purrs and
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>
> <sigh>

Yes. it's called 'your neck'. Better yet, if you have a wart or a
distended mole or something equally disgusting. If your little buggars
are sucking on any of the above forementioned, put a stop to it
IMMEDIATELY. Otherwise, you'll never get them to stop when they're
older.

IBen
Karen Chuplis - 09 Sep 2003 12:17 GMT
>> Now I'm feeding her 3 two week old kittens. And I'm learning waaaay more
>> about
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>
> IBen

YOU'RE SUCH AN IDIOT!!!! THESE ARE TINY TINY VERY BABY KITTENS, YOU FOOL!
THEY *****NEED**** TO DO THESE THINGS TO DEVELOP. yeesh. Sorry for yelling
but this is THE single most STUPID post I've ever read and IBen actually
believes himself.

Karen
McQualude - 09 Sep 2003 16:13 GMT
IBen Getiner spaketh...

>> I have to simulate
>> grooming with a warm damp washcloth.

> It is a nervous behaviour that has no purpose whatsoever. I have
> scolded our cat about this on numerous times

PLONK.
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McQualude

KellyH - 09 Sep 2003 18:59 GMT
> It is a nervous behaviour that has no purpose whatsoever. I have
> scolded our cat about this on numerous times, but he still does it
> anyway. We even bathed him on a regualar basis thinking it was
> something bad on his coat. But it did no good.

OMG, PLEASE don't listen to this guy!  You think a cat grooming itself is a
BAD behavior??  That's what cats do!  Why in the hell are you scolding your
cat for grooming?  What is wrong with you?  Do that cat a favor and give it
to someone who will treat it properly.  You should never bathe a cat unless
it is exceptionally dirty.  You say cats aren't supposed to groom
themselves?  Then why are they physically designed to groom themselves?
Their tongues are made to clean their bodies.

> It's another fetish. Some cats never outgrow it. Cats are
> fetish-driven animals. They are obsessive and compulsive and they do
> as they please. But isn't that why we love them?
> Seriously, though... I think it must bring them back to the moment
> when they slid out of the womb or something. It issues them some
> comfort. Comfrot being something else that they seek with equal vigor.

Yes it is probably comforting for these kittens to burrow, and a lot of cats
continue to do that into adulthood.  Why do you call it a fetish?  You make
it sound bad or dirty.  People hug and cuddle together.  Why?  Because it's
comforting.  Do you call that a "fetish"?

You know absolutely nothing about cats.  Please stop giving out bad advice!

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Marek Williams - 11 Sep 2003 07:56 GMT
>OMG, PLEASE don't listen to this guy!  You think a cat grooming itself is a
>BAD behavior??  That's what cats do!  Why in the hell are you scolding your
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>themselves?  Then why are they physically designed to groom themselves?
>Their tongues are made to clean their bodies.

Actually, the main reason they lick their fur is to get the vitamin D
that is on it.

Humans produce ergosterol just below the outer skin layer. When the
sun hits the skin it activates the ergosterol into vitamin D,
whereupon it is absorbed by the body and used. In cats the ergosterol
is secreted in the oil glands and coats the fur. The sunlight hits the
fur, activates the ergosterol into vitamin D, and the cat licks it
off.

Of course, it also keeps them clean, which is also healthy. More
importantly, keeping themselves clean is something that humans like.
And cats are in a semi-symbiotic relationship with humans, so that is
also important for their survival.

>>It's another fetish. Some cats never outgrow it. Cats are
>>fetish-driven animals. They are obsessive and compulsive and they do
>>as they please. But isn't that why we love them?
>>Seriously, though... I think it must bring them back to the moment
>>when they slid out of the womb or something. It issues them some
>>comfort. Comfrot being something else that they seek with equal vigor.

As for sticking their face into holes, the purpose is to learn what
size holes they can get into. Being able to squeeze through a hole has
saved the life of lots of cats over the ages. Remember that cats have
very poor close vision. They literally use their whiskers to tell the
size of the hole. Thus practicing with holes is not play, it is a
natural instinct for them.

Incidentally, ever notice how a cat will eat out of a full can, but
when it gets about half empty the cat starts fishing the food out with
his claws? This is the whisker thing again. As soon as the face gets
down into the can so far that the whiskers hit the side of the can it
is a signal to the cat that its face is entering a hole that is too
small. It's a natural reaction to pull back.

There's an evolutionary reason for everything cats do.

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DerekR - 09 Sep 2003 17:56 GMT
>Now I'm feeding her 3 two week old kittens....

You really shouldn't be feeding any more kittens to the dog :)

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