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Nomen Nescio - 08 Mar 2005 20:40 GMT
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Our cat, TK, likes to sleep on a table in my wife's office where he
can look out the window and watch the critters in the back yard. So
a few months ago my wife made him a fleece blanket, out of leftover
material from her sewing, to lie on.
Well, yesterday, I was coming out of my office and looked over to see
TK with the blanket on the floor, on top of it, with a strange look in his
eyes. As I stood there watching him, he started pawing at the blanket,
and bit it. Then I noticed him twitching and realized it was his hind end
going up and down. Nooooo.....Can't be....I thought. I went over to him
and rolled him over and........Yea, he was obviously, um, ready for action,
shall we say. He was trying to mate with the blanket!
Ok, I have very little experience with the behavior of male cats, but isn't
this a wee bit odd? TK was neutered about 11 months ago. Isn't that
supposed to stop the urge to mate? And with a blanket?????
I think I've got a very confused kitty, here.
So I think the cat's loony, and my wife is all upset with the thought that
we've got a cat that's horny and "ain't gettin' enough".
Is this behavior as strange as I think it is for a neutered cat?
And how can I get my wife's concern to apply to her husband, also? :-)


Priscilla Ballou - 08 Mar 2005 20:50 GMT
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>  Is this behavior as strange as I think it is for a neutered cat?
>  And how can I get my wife's concern to apply to her husband, also? :-)

This is normal.  Many neutered males will attempt to perform -- with
other cats, with favorite stuffed animals, with blankets.  Generally
they can't produce anything but only go through the motions.  It's not
harming anyone, so maybe you could give him a little privacy with his
blankie?

As for your relationship with your wife... have you worn out tactics
like asking about her feelings, cuddling, gifts, doing what she wants on
a Saturday, a nice dinner she doesn't have to prepare or clean up after,
and so on?  

Priscilla
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Lesley Madigan - 09 Mar 2005 12:26 GMT
> This is normal.  Many neutered males will attempt to perform -- with
> other cats, with favorite stuffed animals, with blankets.  Generally
> they can't produce anything but only go through the motions.  It's not
> harming anyone, so maybe you could give him a little privacy with his
> blankie?

A friend of ours neutered male "(The famous "Fluff") suddenly had his
urges go into overdrive at about 10 years old. He would attempt to
mount anything including people's arms if they rested them on the
chair where he could get to them and completely destroyed their
"snake" draught excluder. I think he had to be put on hormones or
something to stop him doing it.

Our Isis (RB) despite being spayed used to come into a sort of
"pseudo-heat" about every three months until she was about 5 or 6
years old when she stopped doing it. She would roll about the floor
and call through not as stridently as an "entire" female in heat for
about 3 days.

Lesley

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Brad - 09 Mar 2005 12:43 GMT


>As for your relationship with your wife... have you worn out tactics
>like asking about her feelings, cuddling, gifts, doing what she wants on
>a Saturday, a nice dinner she doesn't have to prepare or clean up after,
>and so on?  
>
>Priscilla

Or perhaps a nice blanket.

If nothing else maybe you can watch from the closet.

Brad

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Priscilla H. Ballou - 09 Mar 2005 19:19 GMT
> >As for your relationship with your wife... have you worn out tactics
> >like asking about her feelings, cuddling, gifts, doing what she wants on
> >a Saturday, a nice dinner she doesn't have to prepare or clean up after,
> >and so on?

> Or perhaps a nice blanket.
>
> If nothing else maybe you can watch from the closet.

LOL!  You are a seriously bad man!

Priscilla
Nomen Nescio - 11 Mar 2005 04:50 GMT
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From: Brad <bjdbrad@gmail.com>

>Or perhaps a nice blanket.

It's about time. I've been waiting for that one! :-)
mariebola@nc.grrowl.com - 09 Mar 2005 19:24 GMT
It's not
> harming anyone, so maybe you could give him a little privacy with his

> blankie?

> Priscilla

lol!   Exactly.   My cat Yoda used to do this all the time.  Just put
on some Barry White and leave the room.
Karen - 08 Mar 2005 21:15 GMT
Sometimes, they start doing this. Specially around 5 or 6 y.o.  I can't
figure out if it is enjoyable or not for sure since not all the EQ is there.
When Grant got this way, I usually got a favorite toy out so he could have
some kind of "payoff".

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BarB - 08 Mar 2005 22:21 GMT
On Tue,  8 Mar 2005 21:40:06 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio  

> He was trying to mate with the blanket!

One of mine used to mate with my bedspread. He would sink his teeth
in it and go round in circles until he formed a big knot. Needless to
say, the spread didn't last long.

BarB

Mary - 08 Mar 2005 22:27 GMT
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> and rolled him over and........Yea, he was obviously, um, ready for action,
> shall we say. He was trying to mate with the blanket!

This has been discussed before. I recall a poster who had a cat that
did this to another male cat, and a couple who had males neutered
cats that did it to stuffed toys.

>  Ok, I have very little experience with the behavior of male cats, but isn't
> this a wee bit odd? TK was neutered about 11 months ago. Isn't that
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>  Is this behavior as strange as I think it is for a neutered cat?
>  And how can I get my wife's concern to apply to her husband, also? :-)

LOL! Can't help you with the latter!
ElvisRocks - 08 Mar 2005 23:42 GMT
LOL.  Elvis used to do this ALOT on a blanket!!!  Or when I was in bed he'd
stand on my legs and do it.  I don't know the how or why but Elvis did it
all the 5 years I had him.  Rest his sweet soul.
Carol

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Poor baby!  The ability is taken away, not the desire.  MLB
Mary - 09 Mar 2005 00:47 GMT
> >  Is this behavior as strange as I think it is for a neutered cat?
> >  And how can I get my wife's concern to apply to her husband, also? :-)
>
> Poor baby!  The ability is taken away, not the desire.  MLB

Is this true? I have never thought about this.
-L. - 09 Mar 2005 10:01 GMT
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>  Our cat, TK, likes to sleep on a table in my wife's office where he
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It can be a frustration or dominance behavior, not just for the act of
mating.  i suspect your kitty saw something (another cat?) that
triggered it.

-L.
Tom Morrown - 10 Mar 2005 22:56 GMT
Get lost right wing a.shole

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Nomen Nescio - 11 Mar 2005 05:20 GMT
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From: "Tom Morrown" <tmorow@ccc.com>

>Get lost right wing a.shole

Damn!!! Shoot one president in Dallas and people never let you
forget it. :-)

Would you care to elaborate on that comment so I can discuss how
ignorant some liberals can be?

What a F**kin' Morrown!
Christopher C. Stacy - 11 Mar 2005 06:03 GMT
>  Is this behavior as strange as I think it is for a neutered cat?

No.

>  And how can I get my wife's concern to apply to her husband, also? :-)

Ask Brandy.
Nomen Nescio - 11 Mar 2005 06:50 GMT
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Thank's for the comments, folks. I guess it's not as weird as I thought.
I have no Idea what started this, but TK's been trying to mate with
everything in the house for the last 3 days. From the blanket, to pillows,
to dirty laundry, to clean laundry, to my foot, to the couch, to a stuffed
pig (cat toy), and probably a few other things that I've missed.
He'll be sleeping in the basement for a few nights 'cause there's no way
I'm letting him sleep on the bed with us. (Use your imagination)
Strange cat!
Karen - 11 Mar 2005 12:48 GMT
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Well, that is a little exessive, Norm. I almost wonder if he shouldn't have
a check up *just in case* something else is up and this is his way of
dealing with it. Since it seems to be a pretty drastic change (and not just
an occasional bout of the romanitcs) well, it just sounds different than
what others have experienced with this phenomenon. Just a thought.
Nomen Nescio - 11 Mar 2005 13:30 GMT
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From: Karen <kchuplis@alltel.net>

>Well, that is a little exessive, Norm. I almost wonder if he shouldn't have
>a check up *just in case* something else is up and this is his way of
>dealing with it. Since it seems to be a pretty drastic change (and not just
>an occasional bout of the romanitcs) well, it just sounds different than
>what others have experienced with this phenomenon. Just a thought.

I've wondered the same thing. But right now, except for the mating
thing, he seems totally normal. Eating, using the box, play, and just
being his normal wild self....no change. Looking back, the behavior
actually started about a month ago when he started climbing up on
my chest, when I'd lie down, and biting my right shoulder while doing
the kneading thing. "Mary" suggested that it sounded like mating
behavior back then and I'd say she was right on target. My wife thinks
he may just have a little bit of "spring fever".
But he's due for his booster shots in a couple of weeks so I'm
inclined to watch him closely for other changes. But in absence of
anything else, I'll probably wait the couple of weeks to talk to the
vet and hope that this is just a phase he's going through. He's always
been a VERY strange cat.
If he's still going at it by the beginning/middle of next week, he may be
seeing the vet a little early, though.
Thanks for your thoughts and concern.



Karen - 11 Mar 2005 15:11 GMT
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>  Thanks for your thoughts and concern.

OH yeah, it *is* that time of year. My mom's neutered boy starts wandering
around calling this time of year. Just having lost Grant I"m a little
paranoid about *anything* since nothing appeared wrong until he suddenly got
really sick. And now looking back, I wonder if his "allergies" had anything
to do with his lymphoma. But you know, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. I
have to keep remembering that.
Mary - 11 Mar 2005 15:49 GMT
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> have to keep remembering that.

What an apt analogy. Freud would approve.
ElvisRocks - 11 Mar 2005 13:34 GMT
Yes, if it just started suddenly and he's doing it THAT much, maybe a trip
to the vet wouldn't hurt.
Good luck, friend.  Carol
P.S. I should be ready to get Randi some new brothers/sisters next week.
He's lonely.

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> an occasional bout of the romanitcs) well, it just sounds different than
> what others have experienced with this phenomenon. Just a thought.
Priscilla H. Ballou - 11 Mar 2005 17:57 GMT
> > Thank's for the comments, folks. I guess it's not as weird as I thought.
> > I have no Idea what started this, but TK's been trying to mate with
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> an occasional bout of the romanitcs) well, it just sounds different than
> what others have experienced with this phenomenon. Just a thought.

I agree.  Couldn't hurt to get a professional eye on him.  Something
triggering excess production of hormones maybe?  I don't believe all
testosterone is produced in the (new absent) testicles.  Layperson's
guess, but I think a pro should weigh in.

Priscilla
Ashley - 11 Mar 2005 18:40 GMT
what others have experienced with this phenomenon. Just a thought.

> I agree.  Couldn't hurt to get a professional eye on him.  Something
> triggering excess production of hormones maybe?  I don't believe all
> testosterone is produced in the (new absent) testicles.  Layperson's
> guess, but I think a pro should weigh in.

Not a pro. But I do know that adrenal glands also produce testosterone.
Which is why women do produce some.
Priscilla H. Ballou - 11 Mar 2005 19:03 GMT
> what others have experienced with this phenomenon. Just a thought.
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> Not a pro. But I do know that adrenal glands also produce testosterone.
> Which is why women do produce some.

So something like an tumor on an adrenal gland could send it into
hyper-activity or make it inactive or otherwise behave badly, I imagine.

Priscilla
Ashley - 11 Mar 2005 19:52 GMT
>> Not a pro. But I do know that adrenal glands also produce testosterone.
>> Which is why women do produce some.
>
> So something like an tumor on an adrenal gland could send it into
> hyper-activity or make it inactive or otherwise behave badly, I imagine.

For that, you do need a pro to answer :-)
Mary - 11 Mar 2005 19:09 GMT
> what others have experienced with this phenomenon. Just a thought.
> >
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> Not a pro. But I do know that adrenal glands also produce testosterone.
> Which is why women do produce some.

Damn! Does this mean that stress can make women sprout?
Priscilla H. Ballou - 11 Mar 2005 19:25 GMT
> > what others have experienced with this phenomenon. Just a thought.
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> Damn! Does this mean that stress can make women sprout?

Say what?  

Priscilla
Mary - 11 Mar 2005 19:42 GMT
> > > what others have experienced with this phenomenon. Just a thought.
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> Say what?

I see I left out a few steps in the thought process--I do that
a lot. I figure there are things everyone knows. Such as:

Stress stimulates adrenal glands (such as in the classic "fight or
flight" reaction.)  Testosterone produces, among other things,
hair growth, particularly where women do NOT want it. If
If stress stimulates adrenal gland production and adrenal
glands also produce testosterone, and testosterone
produces body and facial hair, then stress = sprouting.
Get me? Eeeyyyuuu. I might have to make more time
for relaxation. 8(
Monique Y. Mudama - 11 Mar 2005 20:01 GMT
> I see I left out a few steps in the thought process--I do that a lot. I
> figure there are things everyone knows. Such as:
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> testosterone produces body and facial hair, then stress = sprouting.  Get
> me? Eeeyyyuuu. I might have to make more time for relaxation. 8(

    If stress made people hairy, I would look like a yeti, but I don't, so I
    think there's some piece of information missing from that analysis.

    You should still make time for relaxation; it's healthy!

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Priscilla H. Ballou - 11 Mar 2005 20:31 GMT
> > I see I left out a few steps in the thought process--I do that a lot. I
> > figure there are things everyone knows. Such as:
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>         If stress made people hairy, I would look like a yeti, but I don't, so I
>         think there's some piece of information missing from that analysis.

Indeed.  I suspect the functions and interactions are much subtler than that.

Priscilla
Mary - 11 Mar 2005 20:38 GMT
> > I see I left out a few steps in the thought process--I do that a lot. I
> > figure there are things everyone knows. Such as:
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> If stress made people hairy, I would look like a yeti

hahaha!

> but I don't

So YOU say! ;)

, so I
> think there's some piece of information missing from that analysis.
>
> You should still make time for relaxation; it's healthy!

You're right. It might make me milder mannered, too. 8'/

At the end of the day I sometimes have weak knees from all the
adrenaline of the day.

On the good side, I am not inordinately hairy. Yet. !!
Monique Y. Mudama - 11 Mar 2005 20:50 GMT
>> If stress made people hairy, I would look like a yeti
>
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> So YOU say! ;)

Yup, that I do =P  I haven't used a razor since I was 14, and I do wear shorts
and whatnot, and most people don't even notice, so I'd say I'm pretty
non-hairy.

>> You should still make time for relaxation; it's healthy!
>
> You're right. It might make me milder mannered, too. 8'/
>
> At the end of the day I sometimes have weak knees from all the adrenaline of
> the day.

Usually stress just leaves me tired, and sometimes it gives me headaches.  But
I'm also thinking of activities -- I practice martial arts and play ice
hockey, just for starters, and I get plenty of adrenaline there!

> On the good side, I am not inordinately hairy. Yet. !!

So YOU say! ;)

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joppie@van-houte.nl - 14 Mar 2005 19:56 GMT
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