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Wisconsin voting on hunting free roaming domestic cats (not joking)

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hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com - 07 Mar 2005 04:10 GMT
http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=3037721
Mary - 07 Mar 2005 04:25 GMT
> http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=3037721

It'll never fly.
hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com - 07 Mar 2005 04:47 GMT
>> http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=3037721

>It'll never fly.

Probably not, but it sure is a symptom of small dick complex to want
to shoot animals while sitting on the porch swing.

-mhd
Mary - 07 Mar 2005 04:58 GMT
> >> http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=3037721
>
> >It'll never fly.
>
> Probably not, but it sure is a symptom of small dick complex to want
> to shoot animals while sitting on the porch swing.

Yep. And that is an understatement. Bet there are a bunch
of Wisconsonians (?!) who love animals up in arms. Or at
least I hope there is.
crazy.pikachu@gmail.com - 16 Mar 2005 18:57 GMT
Bull. it has in minnesota. If there is  a cat on my property it might
as well dig itself a hole becasue it is as good as dead. I dont kill
cats for fun I kill them because they are no good for the enviroment
Mary - 16 Mar 2005 19:00 GMT
> Bull. it has in minnesota. If there is  a cat on my property it might
> as well dig itself a hole becasue it is as good as dead. I dont kill
> cats for fun I kill them because they are no good for the enviroment

Since you do not include part of the post to which you are
referring nobody knows who you are talking to. Furthermore,
coming to a cat group to announce that you like to shoot cats
makes you a dickhead. Now f.ck off. I would hope your
gun backfires but I am far too nice for that. What goes
around comes around, anyway. You will get yours.
Dickheads who shoot domesticated animals always
do, one way or another.
crazy.pikachu@gmail.com - 16 Mar 2005 19:08 GMT
> > http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=3037721
>
> It'll never fly.

It has flown in minnesota and it has for years. you can shoot a cat as
long as you are staying within the shooting regulations of the state. I
know my neighbors cats and if it is a cat that I have never seen before
and I know that it is wild...well it better have a good excuse to st.
peter because her is going to the pearly gates in the sky
Mary - 16 Mar 2005 19:26 GMT
> > > http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=3037721
> >
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> and I know that it is wild...well it better have a good excuse to st.
> peter because her is going to the pearly gates in the sky

Oooo such a BIG man. I just get off on a Great Big Man who
likes to shoot sweet little furry creatures. What are you wearly,
you stud you?
crazy.pikachu@gmail.com - 16 Mar 2005 20:26 GMT
> > > > http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=3037721
> > >
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> "I just get off on a Great Big Man who
> likes to shoot sweet little furry creatures."

I am glad to hear that you get off to me shooting cats. do you want me
to make a video for you so you can get off to that

I dont just shoot any old cat I shoot the ones that are wild. I know
what my neighbors cats look like and I dont shoot them I shoot the ones
that are wild dont deserve to walk the earth any longer
Hemmaholic - 17 Mar 2005 01:46 GMT
The ones that "don't deserve to walk the earth" are not the cats, but
the PEOPLE who turned them out to fend for themselves because they (the
PEOPLE) could no longer be bothered with their care.

Just because you do not recognize the animal does not mean it doesn't
belong to someone and has accidentally escaped, or that there isn't
someone who would take it in and care for it.

If I may be so bold to suggest that instead of shotting the animals you
contact a TNR Group in your area and let them deal with the "problem"
in a more humane and socially acceptable manner?

Under normal conditions, truly feral or "wild" cats will avoid contact
with humans and places where humans inhabit.  Strays, on the other
hand, were once owned by humans and they still associate humans with
food.

While I do not dispute that there is an on-going pet population and
former pet (feral) over-population going on in this country, shotting
on sight is not the answer.

You and all others who would use this means (shot on sight) means of
eradication the problem need to educate yourselves on the true causes
for the over-population problem and then do something constructive to
stop it from happening in the first place.
crazy.pikachu@gmail.com - 17 Mar 2005 04:33 GMT
> The ones that "don't deserve to walk the earth" are not the cats, but
> the PEOPLE who turned them out to fend for themselves because they (the
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> for the over-population problem and then do something constructive to
> stop it from happening in the first place.

but I am doing something constructive to stop it. I am shooting the
ones that are wild. I live in an area where my closest neighbor is a
quarter mile down the road in a house in the woods. i know what his cat
looks like. but there have been cats from the past that have been
released in the area.

there are programs out there right now that are telling people to keep
there cats indoors. but even still there are wild cats and they are
getting into my bird pens and eating my birds which must be punished by
"death"
Ray - 13 Apr 2005 01:07 GMT
I think the reality is that the better solution is to do both:
education and eradication (shoot-to-kill); only one or the other would
not work.
Trish Dunphy - 17 Mar 2005 05:23 GMT
> > > > > http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=3037721
> > > >
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> what my neighbors cats look like and I dont shoot them I shoot the ones
> that are wild dont deserve to walk the earth any longer

May you never be homeless, because by your own definition you're open
game...  now stop playing on daddy's computer and go do your math homework,
it's almost bedtime little boy
hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com - 07 Mar 2005 04:51 GMT
>http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=3037721

Check this out :-)

http://66.109.186.56/~ryan/catsniper.jpg
Mary - 07 Mar 2005 04:58 GMT
> >http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=3037721
>
> Check this out :-)
>
> http://66.109.186.56/~ryan/catsniper.jpg

Heh. I think he has a hunter in a red plaid
hat in his sites.
equalizer - 07 Mar 2005 09:48 GMT
>http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=3037721

Smith, Mark D & Jean Marie

2427 Robinsdale Ave
LA CROSSE, WI 54601
608-788-5362
Larry R Harrison Jr - 08 Mar 2005 23:46 GMT
I support Wisconsin's move.

Look I have 3 cats and except for the occasional irritation from where
they've hopped onto places I don't like them hopping onto--and even that
I've managed to break them from doing lately--or in hiding constantly (also
something they now don't do anymore), I like them a lot, and would NOT want
anyone shooting at them. But I live in an apartment and they are kept
strictly indoors.

The urge that some feel towards shooting an offending cat--this wouldn't be
an issue if the victim's neighbor would control their animals. Too often
they don't, even when they're warned of the problem; they think everyone
around them is just supposed to put up with the problems their pet is
bringing. No wonder some feel the need to shoot.

And really, where I grew up was in a very rural setting, and it was nothing
for people to shoot stray animals with their pistol or rifle; in fact, my
own mother, herself a very strong cat lover, though nothing of doing it,
especially if the animal was a dog. If a stray dog or cat--usually dog--was
bothering your own pets or getting in the trash, you shot it--that was it.
No problems. No need to involve animal control, you handled it yourself.

If someone has a cat or dog bothering them in anyway with regards to the
animal trespassing into another's yard and creating problems, the victim
should be able to do whatever they have to do to remedy the problem. Period.
Now they of course should first let the neighbor know of the issues and give
the neighbor a chance to rectify it--to control their animals. But if they
fail to, the victim shouldn't have to indefinitely keep having to put up
with the problems bought on by the offending animal.

Of course it's not the animal's fault, it's the fault of the irresponsible
owner. But the victim needs a quick remedy without endless visits or waiting
on hold on the phone dealing with animal control if they can handle the
problem themselves. It's simply a case of speedy rectification; shooting is
a lot quicker than all the legwork one would have to do to have animal
control handle things.

And if the owner doesn't want their cat or dog shot, they should take
responsibility for their animal and control it. There is no excuses, not
even "I can't help what they do when I'm not home." No excuses, period.

So--by all means, try & reason with your neighbor first. But if they won't
listen to reason, I say--bang bang bang.

LRH
tracyrose@gmail.com - 09 Mar 2005 05:47 GMT
Man. You'd lose your cookies on my block. There's about a dozen
free-roaming cats. Around here, we feed 'em and pet him when they stop
by.
Sometimes I'm really happy to live where I live :>
Larry R Harrison Jr - 09 Mar 2005 12:49 GMT
> Man. You'd lose your cookies on my block. There's about a dozen
> free-roaming cats. Around here, we feed 'em and pet him when they stop
> by.
> Sometimes I'm really happy to live where I live :>

Actually, I'd be fine with it--as long as they didn't hop on the hood of my
car after I had just paid someone to wash & wax it, or go in my trash. If
that were the case I'd be fine with it--and maybe even enjoy it as you do.

LRH
crazy.pikachu@gmail.com - 16 Mar 2005 16:31 GMT
I'll shoot them too (but only by staying in the legal shooting
restrictions in the area)
Mary - 16 Mar 2005 18:53 GMT
> I'll shoot them too (but only by staying in the legal shooting
> restrictions in the area)

Nobody cares, dickhead.
crazy.pikachu@gmail.com - 16 Mar 2005 19:01 GMT
I think I will make a hat you know kind of like what they do with coon
skins
rodrig462@yahoo.com - 12 Apr 2005 22:10 GMT
<<Man. You'd lose your cookies on my block. There's about a dozen
free-roaming cats. Around here, we feed 'em and pet him when they stop
by.  Sometimes I'm really happy to live where I live :>  >>

Tracy - - Think of it like cigarette smoking.  Most cat lovers are not
bothered by the presence of other people's cats.

likewise some act surprised when you ask them not to smoke in your
house or leave their cigarette butts on your lawn.

Unless otherwise instructed, the *polite* thing, is to assume that no
one wants to be around your cat.  If one of your ten dozen neighbors
asks you to control your cat, that should be enough.

I agree with Larry.  Many pet owners just haven't signed the social
contract, when it comes to getting along with neighbors.

rsquared
Daniel Augustus - 12 Apr 2005 23:23 GMT
This is not a good law to have on the books, I would imagine that there
are those that would abuse it for their own strange pleasure.

Also, in a more suburban setting, mistakes could be made. Why not
increase state funding for dealing with feral colonies..Or develop some
contraceptive spray that could be released over an entire colony.
Bandwidth - 12 Apr 2005 23:54 GMT
DNR knocked that law down.  It isn't going to happen.

> This is not a good law to have on the books, I would imagine that there
> are those that would abuse it for their own strange pleasure.
>
> Also, in a more suburban setting, mistakes could be made. Why not
> increase state funding for dealing with feral colonies..Or develop some
> contraceptive spray that could be released over an entire colony.
Bandwidth - 12 Apr 2005 23:56 GMT
link     http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=3199512&nav=51s6YZQY

> DNR knocked that law down.  It isn't going to happen.
>
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> > increase state funding for dealing with feral colonies..Or develop some
> > contraceptive spray that could be released over an entire colony.
Mathew Kagis - 13 Apr 2005 07:34 GMT
This kind of thing gets me...  Let me see if I have the whole Wisconsin
thing straight::

- Irresponsible humans, abandon their un-fixed domestic cats. Over time this
creates a large feral population.

- These cats are BETTER at catching prey than your average gun toting
hunter.  Thereby depleeting hunter's supply of targets.

-Average gun toting hunter now wants to kill cats.

Do I have that about right?  Because if I do, this looks like a case of
envy/revenge from some PISS POOR preadators.
Mathew
Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat
En Vino Veritas
CatNipped - 13 Apr 2005 14:28 GMT
> This kind of thing gets me...  Let me see if I have the whole Wisconsin
> thing straight::
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Do I have that about right?  Because if I do, this looks like a case of
> envy/revenge from some PISS POOR preadators.

Yep, the hunters want a license to hunt the predators who are killing the
hunter's prey.

Said it before... I want a license to hunt the predators who are killing the
cats' prey.

Hugs,

CatNipped

> Mathew
> Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat
> En Vino Veritas
rodrig462@yahoo.com - 13 Apr 2005 15:15 GMT
Matthew -

Something lost in the translation:

"- These cats are BETTER at catching prey than your average gun toting
hunter.  Thereby depleeting hunter's supply of targets. "

Cats and hunters tend not to hunt for the same things.

rsquared
tracyrose@gmail.com - 13 Apr 2005 07:40 GMT
"Tracy - - Think of it like cigarette smoking.  Most cat lovers are not
bothered by the presence of other people's cats"

You could think of it in lots of ways, really. I'm not a car owner and
I'm really bothered by the prescence of other people's big honking SUV
tanks, especially when they park in the space in front of my house,
grab all the available space and block my view. I'm also not a cell
phone owner and I am terminally annoyed when people invade my space and
my property with their stupid ringing songs and their private
conversations that I am forced to overhear. Yet last I heard, this
annoyance does not give me the right to flatten their tires or grab
their cell phone and smash it.

"Unless otherwise instructed, the *polite* thing, is to assume that no
one wants to be around your cat.  If one of your ten dozen neighbors
asks you to control your cat, that should be enough"

Ten dozen neighbors? My kitties visit three neighboring yards
encompassing less than a dozen people in toto. And they all have cats
and dogs themselves. The puppy next door regularly dumps his leash and
runs over to my yard to visit the cats. I don't shoot him, even though,
horrors, he always takes a crap in my yard while visiting. I hug him
... and return him. What's so hard about acting like a human being?

And the polite thing to assume is that many things that you do in my
prescence may well annoy me, but due to the social contract of living
in a community, I do not pick up arms when I am annoyed and shoot the
perpetrator. Living in a community involves mutual tolerance, not
hair-trigger stupidity over minor matters.

Do you guys duel at dawn about late night noise or an overgrown hedge?
CatNipped - 13 Apr 2005 14:34 GMT
> And the polite thing to assume is that many things that you do in my
> prescence may well annoy me, but due to the social contract of living
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>
> Do you guys duel at dawn about late night noise or an overgrown hedge?

Oooo, oooo, can we make *one* exception?  The people who blare rap music
from their cars that you can hear from 3 miles away?  Could we *please*
shoot them????!  ;>

Hugs,

CatNipped
CatNipped - 13 Apr 2005 14:50 GMT
>> And the polite thing to assume is that many things that you do in my
>> prescence may well annoy me, but due to the social contract of living
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> from their cars that you can hear from 3 miles away?  Could we *please*
> shoot them????!  ;>

Speaking of which... funny story.  A young friend of mine was a rookie
police officer riding in the car with a veteran cop when they saw the
following.  An elderly man was sitting in his car, stuck in a massive
traffic jam in Houston (there's *always* a massive traffic jam here in
Houston).  It was summer and cars tend to overheat quickly when not moving
along briskly, so air conditioners were turned off and windows were rolled
down.  A young man in a car three cars away was blaring rap music so loud it
could have been heard in the next county.  The rookie cop could see the
elderly man was getting more and more irritable the longer it went on (they
were all stuck in the same spot for more than 20 minutes).  Finally the
elderly man got out of his car, walked over to the young man's car, aimed a
gun, and shot the stereo several times until it was dead.  As the elderly
man walked back to his car other drivers started applauding..  The rookie
cop started to get out of the squad car but the veteran cop put out his hand
and stopped him.  The rookie said, "Shouldn't we go handle this problem?"
and the veteran cop replied, "Son, it looks to me like it's already been
handled."  ;>

> Hugs,
>
> CatNipped
rodrig462@yahoo.com - 13 Apr 2005 16:25 GMT
<<Finally the elderly man got out of his car, walked over to the young
man's car, aimed a gun, and shot the stereo several times until it was
dead.  As the elderly
man walked back to his car other drivers started applauding..>>

Sounds like an urban legend to me...  That old man would be quite lucky
to survive walking around between cars, in a traffic jam, with a gun -
- in Texas no less.

This perpetuates the perception that gun owners are emotionally
unbalanced and confrontational.

rsquared
Mel - 14 Apr 2005 08:05 GMT
Who says he was either?  One can only put up with so much S***.  By the sound of things, a lot of people wished they had been able to do it, but for some reason or another, were unable.  Some other person might have had a not-so-pleasant conversation with this less-than-considerate idiot.  

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that you do not sit in bumper-to-bumper stalled traffic on an abnormally hot day when tempers are bound to flare even without added provocation, and add a powder keg to the flame.  

Some non-gun owner could just have well gone up and pounded the jerk a good one, and to heck with the stereo.  

This perpetuates the perception that gun owners are emotionally
unbalanced and confrontational.

rsquared
Mel - 14 Apr 2005 07:59 GMT
elderly man got out of his car, walked over to the young man's car, aimed a
gun, and shot the stereo several times until it was dead.  As the elderly
man walked back to his car other drivers started applauding..  The rookie
cop started to get out of the squad car but the veteran cop put out his hand
and stopped him.  The rookie said, "Shouldn't we go handle this problem?"
and the veteran cop replied, "Son, it looks to me like it's already been
handled."  ;>

> Hugs,
>
> CatNipped

If this is for real, I applaud that elderly gentleman as well.  He did no harm to the inconsiderate poop-head who had to have known that he was making a lot of people angry, and DID NOT CARE, but he did a big favor for all those who were boiling over with aggravation at having to listen to that booming crap in a bad situation in unbelievable heat.

I have often wished I could just go out back (live near a high school where the no-mind teenagers love to crank their boom-box car stereos) to the school parking lot and blow out the trunk amplifiers of the losers who think they can do whatever they want.  It is illegal to wear Walkman headphones in a car, but you can shake the foundations of every building for 3 miles around?!!!! Talk about stupid laws!!!!

Love your story, CatNipped!!!

Mel
Christopher C. Stacy - 15 Apr 2005 04:28 GMT
That would be several felonies; unlikely to be a true story.


Mel - 19 Apr 2005 21:19 GMT
Which story? (Just curious, as all the text was cut out.)

 That would be several felonies; unlikely to be a true story.
Mel - 14 Apr 2005 07:53 GMT
>Oooo, oooo, can we make *one* exception?  The people who blare rap music
>from their cars that you can hear from 3 miles away?  Could we *please*
>shoot them????!  ;>

>Hugs,

>CatNipped

Hey, I'm with you there, CatNipped!  Hand over the petition, I'll sign that one! :)  A whole truckload of neighbours' cats wandering around my yard couldn't possibly annoy me anywhere NEAR as much as those ignorant, inconsiderate, self-centered idiots!!! The cats don't know they are being annoying!

Mel
CatNipped - 14 Apr 2005 15:02 GMT
> Hey, I'm with you there, CatNipped!  Hand over the petition,
> I'll sign that one! :)  A whole truckload of
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> self-centered idiots!!! The cats don't know
> they are being annoying!

Mel

Here in Houston a local radio station's DJs have started a "Ban Second-hand
Rap" campaign.  They feel that is non-smokers can legally ban smokers from
invading their personal sphere with second-hand smoke, and women can legally
ban coworkers from displaying pornography on their computer screens, they
why shouldn't we be able to legally ban someone from assaulting our ears
with second-hand rap??!  ;>

Hugs,

CatNipped

Signature

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of stupidity is for smart (wo)men
to do
nothing."

-CatNipped

Mel - 22 Apr 2005 05:46 GMT
>> Hey, I'm with you there, CatNipped!  Hand over the petition,
>> I'll sign that one! :)  A whole truckload of
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>
> CatNipped

YES!!!! I love that one!  Actually, I would like to take that one step
further - - this may not bother you, but I DESPISE boom-box crap-cars.  You
can just hear all the tin rattling with every bass boom, and all the screws
jumping a turn with every rattle.  Why should I be forced to listen to
someone's crap taste in music (and yes, it usually is crap-rap!!)

I would take doggy-doo on my lawn any day rather than have to put up with
that.  Okay, let's get those petitions going - - - second hand rap-crap I do
not want assaulting my ears either.  Let's face it.  Does a lot more damage
to your health than a few wandering critters.

Mel
sriddles@aol.com - 22 Apr 2005 06:03 GMT
> > CatNipped
> >
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>
> Mel

One city I lived did actually pass a "noise ordinance" brought bout by
boom boxes. It prohibited playing any kind of music that could be heard
so-man-feet, I forget exactly how far...from the source.

Sherry
Mel - 25 Apr 2005 06:54 GMT
> One city I lived did actually pass a "noise ordinance" brought bout by
> boom boxes. It prohibited playing any kind of music that could be heard
> so-man-feet, I forget exactly how far...from the source.
>
> Sherry
You are so fortunate!  I wish they would do that here!!

Melody
Mary - 14 Apr 2005 17:47 GMT
>Oooo, oooo, can we make *one* exception?  The people who blare rap music
>from their cars that you can hear from 3 miles away?  Could we *please*
>shoot them????!  ;>

>Hugs,

>CatNipped

Hey, I'm with you there, CatNipped!  Hand over the petition, I'll sign that
one! :)  A whole truckload of neighbours' cats wandering around my yard
couldn't possibly annoy me anywhere NEAR as much as those ignorant,
inconsiderate, self-centered idiots!!! The cats don't know they are being
annoying!

Mel

When this happens in traffic (the music not the cats!) I just
smile, knowing the idiots will be eventually be deaf.
rodrig462@yahoo.com - 13 Apr 2005 15:04 GMT
I never proposed that one would shoot SUV owners or mobile telephone
users.  It seems you shifted the focus from the social responsibility
of the *prepetrator* to the irrational response of the *victim*,
reducto ad absurdum.

If you focus on the most bizarre behavior on the fringe of society, you
can reach equally bizarre conclusions.  Let's try to keep it centered.

I agree with you wholeheartedly:

"Living in a community involves mutual tolerance, not hair-trigger
stupidity over minor matters. "

It seems we can agree that each has responsibilities.  When something
bothers us, the preferred way to make the *perpetrator* aware is to
discuss options for remedying the situation, but I will take the
"dueling at dawn" under advisement.  ; )

Example:

"I like 'Mittens' but I notice she has been chasing birds away from my
feeder and howling under my window at night.  Can you help me remedy
that?"

"What should I do when that happens?"

"What if that fails, can I call you to come retrieve her?"

In some cases, cat owners will give you a polite dismissal while
thinking to themselves, "Idiot, that's what cats are supposed to do."
but you still have to request the assistance before taking it to the
next level.

In *most* cases, it is a completely unfamiliar tom who is MUCH further
than three houses away from the ranch.  What then?

rsquared
deborah.trujillo@verizon.net - 13 Apr 2005 23:48 GMT
The following news item was posted today:

News Break

04/13/2005  15:59:11 EST

Wis. Governor Rejects Cat-Hunting Idea
BY RYAN J. FOLEY
Associated Press Writer

MADISON, Wis. - A proposal to legalize the killing of feral cats is not
going to succeed, Gov. Jim Doyle said Wednesday.

"I don't think Wisconsin should become known as a state where we shoot
cats," said Doyle, a Democrat who neither hunts nor owns a cat. "What
it does is sort of hold us up as a state that everybody is kind of
laughing at right now."

He told reporters his office had received calls from around the country
denouncing a proposal adopted Monday at meetings of the Wisconsin
Conservation Congress, a public advisory group, that would classify
wild, free-roaming cats as an unprotected species that kills song birds
and other wildlife.

Outdoor enthusiasts approved the proposal 6,830 to 5,201 at Monday's
spring hearings of the group.

The results get forwarded to the state Natural Resources Board for
consideration, but any official action would have to be passed by the
Legislature and signed by the governor.

Animal rights groups belittled the idea as inhumane and dangerous.

Doyle said he respects the Conservation Congress but "on this one I
think everybody recognizes it's not going anywhere."

Some experts estimate that 2 million wild cats roam Wisconsin, and the
state says studies show feral cats kill 47 million to 139 million
songbirds a year.

South Dakota and Minnesota both allow wild cats to be shot.

Two state senators - Scott Fitzgerald and Neil Kedzie - had promised to
do everything they can to keep the plan from becoming law.

Kedzie, who chairs the Natural Resources and Transportation Committee,
called the issue "a distraction from the main tasks we have at hand."

___

On the Net:

Department of Natural Resources: http://www.dnr.state.wi.us
Mel - 14 Apr 2005 08:08 GMT
Melody states:

 The following news item was posted today:

 News Break
 
 04/13/2005  15:59:11 EST

 Wis. Governor Rejects Cat-Hunting Idea
 BY RYAN J. FOLEY
 Associated Press Writer

 MADISON, Wis. - A proposal to legalize the killing of feral cats is not
 going to succeed, Gov. Jim Doyle said Wednesday.

 "I don't think Wisconsin should become known as a state where we shoot
 cats," said Doyle, a Democrat who neither hunts nor owns a cat. "What
 it does is sort of hold us up as a state that everybody is kind of
 laughing at right now."

 He told reporters his office had received calls from around the country
 denouncing a proposal adopted Monday at meetings of the Wisconsin
 Conservation Congress, a public advisory group, that would classify
 wild, free-roaming cats as an unprotected species that kills song birds
 and other wildlife.

 Outdoor enthusiasts approved the proposal 6,830 to 5,201 at Monday's
 spring hearings of the group.

 The results get forwarded to the state Natural Resources Board for
 consideration, but any official action would have to be passed by the
 Legislature and signed by the governor.

 Animal rights groups belittled the idea as inhumane and dangerous.

 Doyle said he respects the Conservation Congress but "on this one I
 think everybody recognizes it's not going anywhere."

 Some experts estimate that 2 million wild cats roam Wisconsin, and the
 state says studies show feral cats kill 47 million to 139 million
 songbirds a year.

 South Dakota and Minnesota both allow wild cats to be shot.

 Two state senators - Scott Fitzgerald and Neil Kedzie - had promised to
 do everything they can to keep the plan from becoming law.

 Kedzie, who chairs the Natural Resources and Transportation Committee,
 called the issue "a distraction from the main tasks we have at hand."

 ___

 On the Net:

 Department of Natural Resources: http://www.dnr.state.wi.us

 Excellent news!!!

 Mel

 --
 "It is necessary and urgent that following the example of the poor man [St Francis], one decides to abandon inconsiderate forms of domination, capture and custody with respect to all creatures."
 -Pope John Paul II- (quoted in Animals and Christianity, 1990)

 "Until he extends the circle of his compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace."
  - Albert Schweitzer, Ph.D., M.D. - (Nobel Peace Prize-winning Humanitarian, 'The Philosophy of Civilization, 1949)
Mel - 14 Apr 2005 08:14 GMT
Mel states:

 In *most* cases, it is a completely unfamiliar tom who is MUCH further
 than three houses away from the ranch.  What then?

 rsquared

 In that case, you get your garden hose, turn on the tap, and give the tom a good hosing.  If he returns after the first time, I doubt he will after the second.  Humane, and deterring.  No firearms required.

 If a cat is bothering a particular area, ie: your birdhouse, get bloodmeal from a greenhouse and work it in and around the soil of that area, some on top.  Cats hate the scent.  That way, they won't go near it if you aren't there to turn on the hose.

 Anyone who would rather pull the trigger than use these two simple methods is already proving themselves emotionally unbalanced and overly emotional. So you can stop being concerned about the elderly man for whom carrying a hose in his car is just not feasible, and a gun is.  Besides, he is shooting the stereo, not the person.

 Mel
-L. - 14 Apr 2005 08:48 GMT
> Mel states:
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>   In that case, you get your garden hose, turn on the tap, and give the tom a good hosing.  If he returns after the first time, I doubt he
will after the second.  Humane, and deterring.  No firearms required.

>   If a cat is bothering a particular area, ie: your birdhouse, get bloodmeal from a greenhouse and work it in and around the soil of that
area, some on top.  Cats hate the scent.  That way, they won't go near
it if you aren't there to turn on the hose.

...or get a live trap and take him to your local shelter.

That being said, I know a guy who's brother shoots any unknown animals
on his property - dog, cat, it doesn't matter.  He's a deer hunter and
doesn't want the ecosystem disturbed by anything.  He's also a bit of a
loon....

-L.
Karen - 14 Apr 2005 15:55 GMT
> > Mel states:
> >   <rodrig462@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> -L.

That's a little scary.
Klaus - 14 Apr 2005 14:40 GMT
> Mel states:
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>   In that case, you get your garden hose, turn on the tap, and give the tom a good hosing.  If he returns after the first time, I doubt he
will after the second.  Humane, and deterring.  No firearms required.

>   If a cat is bothering a particular area, ie: your birdhouse, get bloodmeal from a greenhouse and work it in and around the soil of that
area, some on top.  Cats hate the scent.  That way, they won't go near
it if you aren't there to turn on the hose.

>   Anyone who would rather pull the trigger than use these two simple methods is already proving themselves emotionally unbalanced and overly
emotional. So you can stop being concerned about the elderly man for
whom carrying a hose in his car is just not feasible, and a gun is.
Besides, he is shooting the stereo, not the person.

>   Mel

Good suggestions.  What needs to be overcome, is the natural human
resentment that one feels when they have to get out of their chair or
spend time & money to deal with another person's negligence.  That is
not an easy attitude to instill.

I assume you love cats(?).  Let's shift the view a bit.  If someone
persistently parked a muddy Winnebago in front of a house that you were
trying to sell, you could remedy the problem by going out and washing
it.  That's assuming you live in a neighborhood/market that does not
prize dirty Winnebagos.  : )

For practical purposes, perception is reality.  You overcome
perceptions on a personal level.  Passing laws is not as effective.

We probably come from two separate biases: outdoor-cat, indoor-cat.

>From my point-of-view, regardless of environmental effects, releasing
an unsupervised pet into a residential area is inconsiderate.  Again,
we probably will not agree on that.

We can argue as to their psycho-nature, but people with much more
exotic pets manage to adapt and overcome this challenge - - not that I
am calling anyone *lazy*, just disengenous.

"No problem, if they mind, they can buy a trap or use a hose." or...

"No problem, they can wash my RV."

Thanks, again, for offering the suggestion.  To me, it is worth the
trouble of the trap; my conscience demands it.  I cannot speak or judge
for everyone, of course.

TTFN,

rsquared
Mel - 19 Apr 2005 21:18 GMT
Good suggestions.  What needs to be overcome, is the natural human
resentment that one feels when they have to get out of their chair or
spend time & money to deal with another person's negligence.  That is
not an easy attitude to instill.

To be perfectly honest, if I was really aggravated, there would probably be a bit of adrenalin moving along, and I would have the motivation to move :)  I do love cats, yes.  I have two indoor-only babies.  I would probably use the bloodmeal method, as this is excellent food for plants.  I would most likely have flowering vines at the base of the birdhouse post.  Double duty.  Sprinkle some extra around and work it into the very top layer.  Supposed to be extremely effective in keeping deer out of gardens as well, but you would need considerably more :)

If it was a very bad cat, even though I would hate to do this, I would sneak around the house and spray him with the hose.

I assume you love cats(?).  Let's shift the view a bit.  If someone
persistently parked a muddy Winnebago in front of a house that you were
trying to sell, you could remedy the problem by going out and washing
it.  That's assuming you live in a neighborhood/market that does not
prize dirty Winnebagos.  : )

A real filthy anything wouldn't be too impressive in that situation *s*  That would greatly aggravate anyone, I would think!  To me, that would require a lot more effort (the washing) than trying to keep errant felines away from the birds.  I might be tempted to write 'a.shole' in the dirt on both sides, rght down to the metal, so they wouldn't want to drive it that way *g*.

If I discussed the situation with them repeatedly to no avail, I would eventually be forced to enlist my friendly neighbourhood police friends - - - after all, an eyesore is an eyesore, and I am grateful that out here, you can be fined for filthy yards, etc., if you do not clean them up within a grace period.

Obviously, some neighbourhoods are exempt :)

For practical purposes, perception is reality.  You overcome
perceptions on a personal level.  Passing laws is not as effective.

We probably come from two separate biases: outdoor-cat, indoor-cat.

Are you outdoor cat?  One of my neighbour's cats, Phantom, will regularly come over to check out my flower beds.  He doesn't usually bother the plants, but did take his afternoon naps in the very center of my catnip plant.  What did I expect, right?  If I wasn't going to cage it, I knew it was going to draw felines.  I guess there are just things I don't get upset about.  I figure if cats are going to eat birds, there will always be more birds.  My parents live on a farm, with quite a few barn cats.  They have far too many birds if you ask me.  I figure you need a certain amount of most life forms to keep the circle of life in balance.  Look what happened in the middle ages when all the freaked out weirdos who thought cats were evil got rid of them?  Rats proliferated and along came the bubonic plague.  

>From my point-of-view, regardless of environmental effects, releasing
an unsupervised pet into a residential area is inconsiderate.  Again,
we probably will not agree on that.

No, we do agree there.  I don't mind Phantom coming over for a short visit.  Mine is the only place he does go (I wonder why *g*). I disagree with him being outside particularly as he is a front declaw, but trying to convince Juanita did not work.  I feel, not only from the consideration angle, that it is not correct for the cats to roam.  There are so many dangers out there, psycho people being just one of them.

If people were responsible and did not let their pets outdoors, always spayed and neutered them, did not ever just dump them unwanted somewhere, I feel that we would have a good handle on the feral issue.  (I believe this should include farm cats as well, except for the first point.) There is always going to be that one that got away, but that would be so minimized as to be inconsequential.  Humane education in schools should start at the earliest level.....preschool, kindergarten,  whatever.  Informed people make informed choices.

We can argue as to their psycho-nature, but people with much more
exotic pets manage to adapt and overcome this challenge - - not that I
am calling anyone *lazy*, just disengenous.

Are we talking about the people here? *G*  My cats have NO inclination to put their feet past the front door threshold.  Osker will just stand there and look around.  It is as though there is a wall of glass.  I know for a fact he will not place one toe forward. (I am standing there always, I do not ever leave him there alone.......I will be coming in from taking out the trash or getting the mail, things like that.) Twinkle is a recent adoption, 3 years old, petrified of open space.  She was an animal control confiscation from an animal hoarder - - 36 cats and 16 dogs.  Getting up too close to my large windows terrifies her still.  If someone tells me it is cruel to keep my cats inside, I raise my eyebrows and tell them how these 2 react.....and then ask if they think I would be nice by pushing them outside when they are petrified to go out, where they face dangers....and I list them.

Some people are so incredibly stupid.

"No problem, if they mind, they can buy a trap or use a hose." or...

The hose is a not-bad idea, but I wouldn't appreciate someone hosing down MY cats.  Of course they are going to freak out.  Maybe run in the wrong direction, head for the road, get run over. (This is my wild imagination taking over, worst case scenario.)

Therefore, MY cats are indoor-cats only.  And I do not want them going through the anxiety of being trapped. Who KNOWS how that neighbour will treat your precious pet?  You don't.  Maybe they will be nice.  Maybe they will shoot them with a cross-bow and let them suffer.  Maybe they will give them to some crazy pit-bull trainer for bait. I, for one, am not going to take that chance.

"No problem, they can wash my RV."

Ha ha, fat chance. Maybe soap their windows so THEY have to actually wash part of it, then might as well wash it all, hee hee.

My 19 year old female decided around last autumn that she wanted to start going outside for little 'walks' . She was quite stiff, and suffering from chronic renal failure, hyperthyroidism, and diabetes.  She couldn't walk or run faster than I, so I decided to forego harness and lead.  They would have been horribly uncomfortable on her excessively skinny frame.  She stuck mostly to the wide front flower bed, cozying into the puff of catmint (different than catnip, related, but most cats don't react to it), then moving on to the babies' breath......nibbling the grass along the edge of the border.  

She was still doing this when it was cold in November and I thought her bones must be like chunks of ice, but if I tried to pick her up to take her in I got quite the tongue-lashing.  :)

She passed away January 12.05-----it was pretty obvious that she just wanted something different before she died, but no roaming involved.  I would never let my cats roam.  I had the lead and harness for my "fat boy" +Feb. 22/98 - - who loved to go for "walkies".....just to graze in the grass.

People who think it is "cruel" to confine a cat indoors have obviously never seen what cruelties can be exacted on a wandering feline just by creep humans alone - - not to mention other cats, dogs, skunks, raccoons, vehicles, transferrable illnesses, being caught in a shed without food or water for days, etc.etc.  Working in a vet clinic and at the SPCA can really make you start to despise the human race after a while.  

Thanks, again, for offering the suggestion.  To me, it is worth the
trouble of the trap; my conscience demands it.  I cannot speak or judge
for everyone, of course.

It would be a good idea to send the neighbour (if you know who the cat owns) an anonymous or otherwise note, that the cat went to the shelter because it was eating your birds.  At least they can retrieve it and hopefully they learned their lesson.  I would hate to see the cat die just because the person it lives with is a perfect moron.

There, now that you are snoozing away after this extreeeemmmmely long post :)  it appears that we ARE in agreement :) You never know who you are going to get for a neighbour, and I like having my cats be where I know they are.

Mel

TTFN,

rsquared
 
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