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KILL ALL Fleas and Earmites in One Dose?  Cost?

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Doug Bashford - 06 Mar 2005 02:51 GMT
 If I understand the ads, one dose
of Revolution will likely get rid of all
fleas and earmites in the house if
all cats are treated simultainiously?

Are there any other products that will do this?

Is this expensive? ...Like how much?

Are there any safe flea collers for inside cats??    

Thanks!
--Doug  


BarB - 06 Mar 2005 15:48 GMT
>  If I understand the ads, one dose
>of Revolution will likely get rid of all
>fleas and earmites in the house if
>all cats are treated simultainiously?

Supposedly, but I have found it more effective, if they are severe, to
treat for ear mites separately first, then use Revolution to prevent
reoccurrence.

>Are there any other products that will do this?

No.

>Is this expensive? ...Like how much?

If you have multiple cats, ask your vet to give you the dog dose that can
be split among all the cats. It's the same price. My vet does this for his
clients. The dosage is very important, so get directions from your vet.

>Are there any safe flea collers for inside cats??  

Safe? yes. Effective? no.

BarB
Doug Bashford - 19 Mar 2005 13:51 GMT
   "Have any of you tried Revolution?  
 It's only available thru the vet, but is
 relatively inexpensive (around $5 - $7)
 easy to apply ( a few drops rubbed..."

On 06 Mar 2005, BarB said about:
Re: KILL ALL Fleas and Earmites in One Dose?  Cost?  

> >  If I understand the ads, one dose
> >of Revolution will likely get rid of all
> >fleas and earmites in the house if
> >all cats are treated simultainiously?

> Supposedly, but I have found it more effective, if they are severe, to
> treat for ear mites separately first, then use Revolution to prevent
> reoccurrence.

Oh?   Why?  How; more effective?

> >Are there any other products that will do this?
>
> No.

> >Is this expensive? ...Like how much?
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> clients. The dosage is very important, so get
> directions from your vet.

> >Are there any safe flea collers for inside cats??  
>
> Safe? yes. Effective? no.   > BarB

Thanks!  Here's some info I found looking around.
Some of it seems contradictory.
Comments?
--Doug

        Ear Mites in Cats
Ear Mites are microscopic crab like parasites and
are difficult to detect. They live in the ear canal
and other parts of the cat. They cause irritation and
discomfort and are often followed by bacterial infection.
Ear scratching and head shaking may be symptoms of ear mites.

Dryden said 90 percent of all cats get ear mites.

Ear mites, if left untreated, can cause a bacterial and
yeast infections and, in extreme cases, rupture of the
ear drum leading to seizures and deafness. Ear mites
(Otodectes cynotis) are the most common cause of outer-ear
inflammation in cats.

When a mite-infested cat constantly scratches its ear,
it can tear open tiny blood vessels in the ear flap,
which can lead to swelling (known as hematoma) and permanent
disfigurement.

Ear mites are very contagious and pass easily between
the same species.

Mites will spend their entire life in ears, but
could also be on the feet, face, neck and tailhead.
They have a three week cycle and they can survive off
the host for several weeks. Unlike fleas, they aren't
blood-sucking, nor do they pierce the skin.

When mites are present, there are a number of effective
medications.
*   It is important to treat your cat with a flea
*   product at the same time as the ear mite medication
*   since ear mites can sometimes live on the body and the
*   flea control medication will kill them, too.

=============

Columbia Animal Hospital @ Hickory Ridge
10788 Hickory Ridge Road - Columbia, MD 21044
 http://www.cah.com/library/earmite.html

Veterinarians sometimes treat stubborn
cases of mites with "off label" use of the
drug ivermectin, which has not been formally approved
for this use by the FDA, but has found to be effective
in combating ear mites. More recent advent in the treatment
of mites is the use of the following:

Frontline Spray by Merial Several drops of this medication
are applied topically into the ear canal if there is no damage
to the ear drum.

Revolution by Pfizer applied topically to pets every two
weeks for three treatments then then used monthly if
necessary to prevent recurrence if your pets are exposed
to other animals with ear mites.

Acarexx by Blue Ridge Pharmaceuticals (a subsidary
of IDEXX Labs) or Meilbomite -both are a topical
ivermectin product is a once or twice application to
the ears will eliminate ear mites.

====================

>> What products exactly did they send you home with?

Advantage Tabs and Stronghold neck squirt things.  
And a big giant yellow
spray for the house.!   Cant recall the name

> PS *NEVER* buy a drop-on preparation in a store
> or anywhere except from a
> vet, you don't know what's in some of them...

The VET also warned against this!

..........
The mites can easily be detected on the dark brown
background of the wax (cerumen) with an otoscope.
The mites start walking around when they're
warmed by the light of the otoscope.  
This way of detecting earmites is almost foolproof and
**  more reliable than microscopic examination of a cerumen
**  sample.

............

Or you can apply two consecutive doses of Revolution,
which kills fleas and earmites.  Don't forget the second
dose in 3 weeks.  If the scratching
continues, it's vet-time again.

...................

RE:  Frontline Advantage Cat Flea Treatment Please

> I am getting fed up with getting ripped off
> at the vets for this. I know it
> can't be sold in the shops.
> Any ideas for a bargain guys??

Yes, go online and order from Australia.
It is cheaper and arrives within a
week. Get the drops on the back of the neck  
called  'revolution' over there and
'stronghold ' over here. It clears, ticks,
lice, mange, earmites, fleas
AND roundworms all in one dose!!

Here are some of the companies I use with no bother at
all for my animal flea treatments and wormers.
http://svc006.srv003.inetserver-2.com/catalogue/other/uk/home.ehtml

http://www.interpet.biz/index.html

 http://store.yahoo.com/entirelypets/index.html

...................

Have any of you tried Revolution?  
It's only available thru the vet, but is
relatively inexpensive (around $5 - $7)
easy to apply ( a few drops rubbed
into the skin at the base of the skull
to avoid contact).  It is absorbed
into the system, and controls not only fleas,
but ear mites, ticks and other predators as well.  
It's worth a free phone call to your vet.  
I've used it our 3-cats since it came on the
market and have yet to see a flea - IN
FACT ---- if it hadn't been for this stuff,
we probably would not have saved a malnourished,
parasite infested 5-week old a couple of years ago.  She was
so eaten up by fleas and mites, the vet thought she might die from
anemia - today, she weighs in at 10 lbs..fatass cat :-)

.................

          alt.pets.cats  Feb 17, 6:10 am by Dizzy Dean
Avoid Hartz Advanced Care at all costs.
Use of this product has resulted in intense suffering and
death for many animals. My own veterinarian
routinely advises his clients against using Hartz,
noting that he's had to perform emergency procedures over
the years on literally hundreds of cats and dogs who have
been poisoned by it. Most didn't pull through;
the majority of the ones who did will be plagued
the rest of their lives with health problems as a direct
result of its use. More info is
available at

 http://www.geocities.com/againsthartz/VictimsComments1.html

Reply

========

Vet med's
... I prefer 'stronghold' (revolution in USA or Oz)
for around ... free of roundworms, fleas,
ticks, lice, mange, and earmites. ... by the amount
of dog and cat owners who ...  
alt.consumers.uk-discounts.and.bargains - Jan 27, 3:36
pm by ex WGS Hamm - 49 messages - 13 authors
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ex WGS Hamm      Jan 27, 7:27 am    
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From: "ex WGS Hamm" <alpha.bi...@virgin.net> -
Subject: Re: Vet med's

"R45six" <news.richar...@SPAMntlworld.com> wrote

> > You are exceedingly lucky with this vet most vets
> > are money grabbing so and so's I will not go near
> > them unless I am forced to do our dogs
> > have done fine over the last 25 years without
> > any interference from a vet .

> That's a very narrow minded view, which I'm offended by.
> The reason drugs cost so much is more to do with the
> manufacturers than the vets, although vets are forced to
> subsidise the low fees they charge for most procedures.

> Possible new legislation regarding drugs only being
> available by prescription, could lead to vets
> having to charge real prices for all the procedures
> operations etc.      I'm sure as with
> any profession there are money grabbers out there, but the
        [up violins]
> vast majority of vets have studied for a minimum of five years,
> and spent many years doing long shifts before they could
> dream of affording their own practice.

I don't blame the vets for the high cost of drugs,
rather the drugs cartel which operates quite openly
in this country and which has been criticised by
various governmental bodies without having it stopped.
Sadly vets do not let their patients know that they can
ask for a 'script and look elsewhere for their med's.
This needs to be addressed IMO and a large sign in the waiting
room to this effect would be good.
 If clinics put pressure on the drug companies, then the cartel
could be broken. Even vet clinics take part in the cartel sadly.
Phone around your area and ask the price of something
common like a wormer, and you will find no price fluctuation.

--
It is a rare man who chooses logic and observation
over feelings and presumptions.
BarB - 20 Mar 2005 01:33 GMT

> Re: KILL ALL Fleas and Earmites in One Dose?  Cost?  
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Oh?   Why?  How; more effective?

I notice further down you quote this recommendation. They suggest
doubling the frequency of treatment for the first three treatments.
That matches with my experience that a monthly dose was not enough at
first.

>Revolution by Pfizer applied topically to pets every two
>weeks for three treatments then then used monthly if
>necessary to prevent recurrence if your pets are exposed
>to other animals with ear mites.

BarB
Just Conservative - 27 Mar 2005 01:48 GMT
Bashford on 19 Mar 2005 about:
Re: KILL ALL Fleas and Earmites in One Dose?  Cost?

>     "Have any of you tried Revolution?  
>   It's only available thru the vet, but is
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>  On 06 Mar 2005, BarB said about:
>  Re: KILL ALL Fleas and Earmites in One Dose?  Cost?  

> > >  If I understand the ads, one dose
> > >of Revolution will likely get rid of all
> > >fleas and earmites in the house if
> > >all cats are treated simultainiously?

> > Supposedly, but
> > I have found it more effective, if they are severe, to
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> > >Is this expensive? ...Like how much?

> > If you have multiple cats, ask your vet to
> > give you the dog dose that can be split among all the cats.
> > It's the same price. My vet does this for his
> > clients. The dosage is very important, so get
> > directions from your vet.

  Many thanks BarB, I did that!
She also gave me two 1 cc syringes!  
However, the gal at the front desk gave
me the wrong dosage!  (I did not see the vet.)

She wrote .26ml instead of .37ml.
This, after 5 minutes on the calculator.
 (But she was very pretty!)    

> >  The dosage is very important,
> >  The dosage is very important,
> >  The dosage is very important,

 *** Make sure you double check that!

Here's what I calculated, using the dogs
40 - 85 lbs tubes.  ( 120mg/ml )

Cats over 5 lbs  (5 - 15 lbs) need 45 mg
according to the inclosed chart.
At 120mg/ml, I get: apply .37ml of Revolution.

One large (240mg, 2.0ml) dog tube will treat 5.4 cats
(or similar sized small dogs, but needs a vet(?)).
One 6-pack cost me $61.

She also told me that once opened, Revolution
remains viable for only 24 hrs. (???)

Her error was no biggy, (??) it would would
have worked fine for animals 5 - 10 lbs, but
the point is; IT WAS AN ERROR!


Question, Anybody?  How does Revolution kill fleas
and eggs?  I presume it is by vapor action or
some such, since eggs dont suck blood?
  Does anybody know far away it will kill
fleas and eggs in the cats' bedding?  

Thanks!
--Doug


> > >Are there any safe flea collars for inside cats??  
> >
> > Safe? yes. Effective? no.   > BarB

> Thanks!  Here's some info I found looking around.
> Some of it seems contradictory.
[quoted text clipped - 213 lines]
> It is a rare man who chooses logic and observation
> over feelings and presumptions.
wwwolf - 27 Mar 2005 02:36 GMT
<much_needed_snip>
>     "Have any of you tried Revolution?

Make sure you check your cat at the application site regularly. Some cats are
allergic to it and you will start to see a bald spot. Just FYI
rangitotogirl - 28 Mar 2005 11:36 GMT
> <much_needed_snip>
>>     "Have any of you tried Revolution?
>
> Make sure you check your cat at the application site regularly. Some cats
> are
> allergic to it and you will start to see a bald spot. Just FYI

My cat Tigga, developed a bald spot on his second dose of revolution so he
obviously has an allergy to it.  He didn't seem at all bothered by it
though.  Does anyone know whether these allergic reactions get more severe
each time or whether the bald spot is the only issue.  I've got one more
tube and I'm reluctant to use it if he's going to get a more severe
reaction.  However if he's only going to lose a little patch of fur that
will grow back in 3 weeks and it doesn't irritate him I'm prepared to try
again.
BarB - 27 Mar 2005 04:31 GMT
re: Revolution dosage

>Here's what I calculated, using the dogs
>40 - 85 lbs tubes.  ( 120mg/ml )
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>have worked fine for animals 5 - 10 lbs, but
>the point is; IT WAS AN ERROR!

Here's my calculation

The recommended minimum dose is 2.7 mg selamectin per pound (6 mg/kg)
of body weight, dog or cat. Each container is 240 mg in 2ml for a
40-85 lb dog.
   
2ml for 40-85   lb dog    
.1ml for  2-4    lb cat
.2ml      4-8
.3ml      6-12  
.4ml      8-17  

>Question, Anybody?  How does Revolution kill fleas
>and eggs?  I presume it is by vapor action or
>some such, since eggs dont suck blood?

An insect growth regulator can inhibit the development of the egg
that the female lays.

>   Does anybody know far away it will kill
>fleas and eggs in the cats' bedding?

It won't. The flea has to contact the treated animal. However all
fleas have to return to a host animal for a blood meal before they
can breed, so wash the bedding but don't obsess about it.

BarB
 
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