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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / March 2005Another Round Of UTI
Hi all. It looks like Icarus' UTI is back. I saw the vet today to see if I can get a stronger antibiotic and was given a prescription for a different one that hopefull will do the trick. He'll have to go back to the vet in a couple of weeks and be given another urine test. Let's hope this new stuff will work.  SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com I know you don't want to hear this, but you need to get your cats off the cheap food, elmiinate dry food altogether, and feed a high quality *canned.* Wellness would be a good choice as it promotes a urine ph of 6.1-6.4. If you keep feeding cheap food, which varies from batch to batch and will not promote a consistent urine ph, you will continue to have the same problems. You may spend more money for high quality food, but in the long run you'll spend less on vet bills. I can testify to this as I am feeding 24 cats Wellness canned and spend very little on vet bills considering the number of animals I have. Cat food is one area where I will *not* compromise as the quality DOES make a difference. I'll skimp in other areas, like buying new clothing, etc. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray >I know you don't want to hear this, but you need to get your cats off > the cheap food, elmiinate dry food altogether, and feed a high quality [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Megan I agree. Bartleby had repeated UTI's, and not just the infections, but blockages too. Once he started eating premium canned food, he hasn't had a problem since. I do still allow some dry snacks, but he doesn't eat much of it. Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net "Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG My cats are already on canned food twice a day where before it was only fed once per day. The vet swears that part of the problem is the diet and suggested a both dry and canned food which is hopefully better than the Science Diet he had to eat before. I am still looking into good dry foods but it seems a lot of them have ash in it. BTW, I mentioned the all canned diet to the vet and he stated that he is not wanting to go with the group on this one. I have to disagree. The cats seem to like the twice a day canned. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com >>I know you don't want to hear this, but you need to get your cats off >> the cheap food, elmiinate dry food altogether, and feed a high quality [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > a problem since. I do still allow some dry snacks, but he doesn't eat > much of it. > My cats are already on canned food twice a day where before it was only fed > once per day. The vet swears that part of the problem is the diet and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > diet to the vet and he stated that he is not wanting to go with the group on > this one. I have to disagree. The cats seem to like the twice a day canned. I have never heard of a vet who recommends an all-canned diet. My cats are doing better now that they, like yours, eat more canned food. However, they still eat some dry. > My cats are already on canned food twice a day where before it was only > fed once per day. The vet swears that part of the problem is the diet and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > on this one. I have to disagree. The cats seem to like the twice a day > canned. Aren't you also free-feeding dry? That's a lot of food. When I say my cats get dry snacks, I'm talking a couple handfuls during the day. I'm not an expert on cat food, but I didn't think ash was the biggest concern when it comes to urinary tract health. I thought it was magnesium. It's been a while since I've researched. I found a food that works and I've stuck with it. Also, as some others mentioned when you brought this up before, some of the cheap brands don't even list their ash content. Hardly any vets do reccomend all canned. Not sure why. I was feeding all canned several years ago, before I really got into this group, and the vet said my cats teeth would fall out. So, I swtiched back to dry. Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net "Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG Yes, they are free feeding on the dry mainly because I can't be here 24/7. They eat this as well as canned food which has been a good balance. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > Aren't you also free-feeding dry? That's a lot of food. When I say my > cats get dry snacks, I'm talking a couple handfuls during the day. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > canned several years ago, before I really got into this group, and the vet > said my cats teeth would fall out. So, I swtiched back to dry. >Yes, they are free feeding on the dry >mainly because I can't be here 24/7. You don't have to be home "24/7" to feed a cat. You can manage to be home every 12 hours and you can feed your cats properly (I've managed it for years and years.) You shouldn't be free feeding dry food, especially to a cat with urinary tract problems. That will keep your cat's urine more alkaline and predispose him to developing crystals. Stop at a bookstore or library and take a peek at chapter 2 of The New Natural Cat by Anitra Frazier, which explains why in detail. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray >Yes, they are free feeding on the dry mainly because I can't be here 24/7. >They eat this as well as canned food which has been a good balance. Here's my little bit of apparent rocket science: http://tinyurl.com/645oc > Yes, they are free feeding on the dry mainly because I can't be here 24/7. > They eat this as well as canned food which has been a good balance. While Phil and others have presented convincing evidence about the benefits of feeding wet food, I still feed my cats a combination of wet and dry. As for free feeding, the evidence Phil gave against it made sense. However, I free-fed Gnarly all her life and she ate nothing but dry food for the last 15 years and lived to be 20, so it is really hard for me to believe it is that bad. The other thing is, 12 hours seems like way too long for a cat to go without food to me. My Cheeky is too skinny as it is. Weigh the evidence, but in the end, I would listen to my vet if I had confidence in him/her. (And if you don't, it's time to get a new vet.) > Cat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! > www.catgalaxymedia.com [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > canned several years ago, before I really got into this group, and the vet > > said my cats teeth would fall out. So, I swtiched back to dry. > While Phil and others have presented convincing evidence about the > benefits of feeding wet food, I still feed my cats a combination of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > in the end, I would listen to my vet if I had confidence in him/her. > (And if you don't, it's time to get a new vet.) That's why I still give a handful of dry snacks during the day. My smallest cat, Toffee, is not all that interested in the canned. Bartleby, who has the UTI problem, really doesn't like the dry, so it all kinda works out. However, I do think free-feeding dry plus two servings of canned food is a bit much. Those cats will be fat in no time. Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net "Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG > > While Phil and others have presented convincing evidence about the > > benefits of feeding wet food, I still feed my cats a combination of [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > However, I do think free-feeding dry plus two servings of canned food is a > bit much. Those cats will be fat in no time. Yep, how much to feed is a problem. Phil has a formula but you have to know how many calories are in the food. CP does not want a fat cat, as I have one and it seems nearly impossible to get the weight off of her. her life and she ate > nothing but dry food for the last 15 years and lived to be 20, so it > is really hard for me to believe it is that bad. So you're basing that dry food is not bad on your one cat then? Some cats can handle dry food fine, while others can't. It's really not a good diet for a carnivore, especially in a cat that has had urinary tract problems who should not be on any dry whatsoever. As Megan recommended, get the book The New Natural Cat. It makes for excellent reading. > her life and she ate > > nothing but dry food for the last 15 years and lived to be 20, so it > > is really hard for me to believe it is that bad. > > So you're basing that dry food is not bad on your one cat then? Of course not. Are you thinking she was the only cat that ate dry food her whole life and did fine? I don't think she was. Some > cats can handle dry food fine, while others can't. I will take your word for this. >It's really not a > good diet for a carnivore, especially in a cat that has had urinary > tract problems who should not be on any dry whatsoever. I understand that you and several others believe this is true, and I have read some of the evidence that supports the idea that wet food is better than dry for cats. However, I still do not think it is appropriate for Megan or anyone else to tell anyone here not to follow their vet's advice. Get a second opinion, maybe. Read this book, sure. But as Megan told CP, do not do what the vet told you to do? Nonsense. >>> life and she ate nothing but dry food for the last 15 years and lived to be >>> 20, so it is really hard for me to believe it is that bad. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Of course not. Are you thinking she was the only cat that ate > dry food her whole life and did fine? I don't think she was. I was merely replying to your statement that your cat Gnarly ate nothing but dry and lived to be 20, not that I thought she was the only cat that ate dry and did fine. I've had cats that ate dry and did fine too. But not all cats do and I believe any cat that has already experienced urinary tract problems is not going to get better staying on a dry diet. Make better sense? It's been a long day and my writing skills aren't too good right now I'm afraid. > However, I still do not think it is appropriate for Megan or > anyone else to tell anyone here not to follow their vet's > advice. Get a second opinion, maybe. Read this book, sure. > But as Megan told CP, do not do what the vet told you to do? > Nonsense. I believe Megan said she wouldn't use that vet, and I tend to agree. Not all vets are knowledeable about feline diet. Just because a person is not a vet doesn't negate their experiences or knowledge IMHO. SignaturePawsForThought marys@catlover.com >But as Megan told CP, do not do what >the vet told you to do? I'm still waiting for you to quote where I said that. You can't because I didn't and you prove yourself once again to be a liar. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray On Fri 04 Mar 2005 11:14:21p, wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav (news:3269-4229321D-177@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net): > marys@catlover.com >>But as Megan told CP, do not do what >>the vet told you to do? > > I'm still waiting for you to quote where I said that. You can't > because I didn't and you prove yourself once again to be a liar. Megan, just more of her attempt to "demonize"[1] you, me, I forget who else, but there were a couple of other email addys that she wants the spam bots to harvest. lol [1] Demonize - what Mary says we did to her but now she does at every opportunity. What is that all about, I ask you? You, dear readers, be the judge. SignatureCheryl > On Fri 04 Mar 2005 11:14:21p, wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav > (news:3269-4229321D-177@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net): [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > opportunity. What is that all about, I ask you? You, dear readers, > be the judge. Hi there, Spanky. You were terribly quiet there for a while. lol > marys@catlover.com > >But as Megan told CP, do not do what > >the vet told you to do? > > I'm still waiting for you to quote where I said that. You can't because > I didn't and you prove yourself once again to be a liar. Since the thread is right here for all to see, wtf are you talking about? When you tell people to disregard their vet's advice in favor of your recommendations you overstep your bounds and in doing so you endanger the animals in question. Period. It's very simple. >I mentioned the all canned diet to the vet >and he stated that he is not wanting to go >with the group on this one. First he prescribes a dry food for urinary tract problems, and now he disagrees that an all canned diet would be better for Icarus? I would not use this vet as he clearly has not bothered to educate himself about the latest and most successful trends in treating urinary tract issues. But then again, keep you coming back to treat Icarus some more is certainly good for "his" pockets, isn't it? Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray > >I mentioned the all canned diet to the vet > >and he stated that he is not wanting to go [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > But then again, keep you coming back to treat Icarus some more is > certainly good for "his" pockets, isn't it? I think CP would be truly foolish to listen to you rather than his vet. Think about it. You have no qualifications at all that might lead anyone to listen to you over a veterinarian. My vet never prescribed an all canned diet. I just mentioned to him that I have heard from others that suggested an all canned diet. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com "Mary" <marys@catlovernospam.com> wrote in message > I think CP would be truly foolish to listen to you rather than his vet. > Think about it. You have no qualifications at all that might lead anyone > to listen to you over a veterinarian. > My vet never prescribed an all canned diet. I just mentioned to him that I > have heard from others that suggested an all canned diet. Of course he didn't. Few vets do. The question is, why does Megan (zuzu22@webtv.net) think you should listen to her instead of to your vet? It's ridiculous. > > I think CP would be truly foolish to listen to you rather than his vet. > > Think about it. You have no qualifications at all that might lead anyone > > to listen to you over a veterinarian. >The question is, why does Megan think >you should listen to her instead of to your >vet? Well then, according to you, he shouldn't post here at all since nobody offering advice here is a vet. In fact, if we follow your logic he shouldn't listen to *you* either since you're not a vet. And *you* shouldn't post asking for advice because there are no vets here. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray > >The question is, why does Megan think > >you should listen to her instead of to your > >vet? > > Well then, according to you, he shouldn't post here at all since nobody > offering advice here is a vet. Um. Want to try that again? >In fact, if we follow your logic he > shouldn't listen to *you* either since you're not a vet. And *you* > shouldn't post asking for advice because there are no vets here. You're losing it, old girl. CP's vet does not agree with you regarding the feeding of wet food exclusively. Given that, I think CP would be nuts to just accept your advice. marys@catlover.com wrote: >CP's vet does not agree with you >regarding the feeding of wet food >exclusively. Given that, I think CP would >be nuts to just accept your advice. Here is a clear example of your purpose here, which is not to help cats, but to attack those that you've decided to have a vendetta against. You contradict yourself as in the last 24 hours you wrote the following: "one should not take one's vet word for something without question." You're singling me out when I'm saying the exact same thing as a lot of other people, yet you haven't made a peep to them. You're motives are clear. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray > marys@catlover.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > as in the last 24 hours you wrote the following: > "one should not take one's vet word for something without question." And your ideas on feeding are not the only valid ideas on feeding. Wet food only is simply not recommended by everyone. Your recommendations are just part of the data. It is time to stop behaving as though everyone who feeds their cats anything but canned food are wrong. marys@catlover.com wrote: >It is time to stop behaving as though >everyone who feeds their cats anything >but canned food are wrong. I'm not, and I challenge you to quote what you claim I said in this thread that woud imply I'm talking about "everyone." Oh, you can't? Did you not notice the subject line? See the word "another?" I clearly stated why dry food is bad for this cat in this situation and I stand by what I said. For someone who claims to abhor censorship, it's ironic that you don't have a problem putting words in my mouth. This is the second time you've done it in this thread yet I have yet to see one word from you that is helpful in terms of how to manage a UTI. Again, your motives are clear and you are not here to help cats. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray > marys@catlover.com wrote: > >It is time to stop behaving as though [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > stated why dry food is bad for this cat in this situation and I stand by > what I said. So we have a cat with a known ailment under veterinary care, and you are telling CP to disregard the advice of his vet. You are a fruitcake, Megan. Fruit away, but don't expect anyone to take you seriously. Phil gives us information to take to our vets, and when I have done that, my vet has agreed with him and we proceeded. CP said that he has asked his vet about your feeding recommendation and his vet disagrees. If I were CP I would probably go with the vet and not with the histrionic loudmouth on the newsgroup. But that is just me. I'm sure he--and everyone else--will do as they see fit. (...) > So we have a cat with a known ailment under veterinary > care, and you are telling CP to disregard the advice of his vet. I think CP should at least ask *why* the vet is against an all-canned diet, given that there are very few good reasons to include dry - esp. for a UTI. Steve. > (...) > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > diet, given that there are very few good reasons to include dry - esp. > for a UTI. Well, yeah! But you would never just take someone's opinion here over your vet, either, and if anyone suggested that you do you'd think they were nuts. As I said earlier, Phil made suggestions I took to my vet but did not tell me not to do what my vet said. That's just ridiculous. > My vet never prescribed an all canned diet. I just mentioned to him that I > have heard from others that suggested an all canned diet.>> Recent vet studies show that feeding a wet diet is recommended no matter what the cause of the UTI/FLUTD. The more moisture the better so it's good you mentioned it to your vet. Alison:) <snip typical and expected garbage> You killfiled me remember? Oh wait, that was just another lie of yours to add to all the rest. While we're on the subject of lies, maybe you could explain how you could post you were born in England and then post that you've, and I quote, "never been" there? Hmmm? Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray > <snip typical and expected garbage> > You killfiled me remember? Oh wait, that was just another lie of yours > to add to all the rest. While we're on the subject of lies, maybe you > could explain how you could post you were born in England and then post > that you've, and I quote, "never been" there? Hmmm? Do you remember the day you were born? In a very real way, I have never been there because I have no memory of it.. Now then, back to whether or not you should be telling people to disregard their vet's advice. It is not wise, and anyone who listens to you without consulting their vet is crazy. > >I mentioned the all canned diet to the vet > >and he stated that he is not wanting to go [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Megan That's what I was thinking as well. No reason to permanently solve the problem, if the owner is ready and willing to keep forking out the big bucks. -L. > > >I mentioned the all canned diet to the vet > > >and he stated that he is not wanting to go [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > problem, if the owner is ready and willing to keep forking out the big > bucks. I really think this line of thinking is deplorable. While there is evidence that feeding canned food has benefits, not everyone agrees that it should be fed exclusively. And while there are unscrupulous vets, to assume that this one's actions are based upon "lining his pockets" is unfair. There are many vets who believe that feeding a combination of wet and dry foods is best. Let's not overstep our bounds here. marys@catlover.com wrote: >There are many vets who believe that >feeding a combination of wet and dry >foods is best. There are many vets who also think you should wait to neuter a cat until it's six months or older when evidence clearly shows that EAN is much better. There are many vets who *recommend*declawing a cat, some even going so far to recommend all four paws be mutilated. You want to preach that people should take their word as gospel too, despite what some of us mere pet owners know about it and rally against? If you are going to believe people should ignore the voice of experience and only listen to their vet then this newsgroup has no purpose for being here, and neither do you. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray > marys@catlover.com wrote: > >There are many vets who believe that [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > it's six months or older when evidence clearly shows that EAN is much > better. Right. There are good vets and bad vets. What you need to grasp is that you are here to discuss, not to dictate. I have seen my cats grow visibly healthier when I added canned food to their diets. However, I also had a cat live to 20 years without a sick day and with all of her teeth--on dry food. Suggest and make recommendations, present the evidence for those recommendations, and discuss the options. But when you begin telling people not to listen to their vets about specific cases and specific cats, I think you presume too much. Even a bad vet has still had more veterinary training than you. marys@catlover.com wrote: >Right. There are good vets and bad vets. Nice to see you finally figured that out. >What you need to grasp is that you are >here to discuss, not to dictate. I'm here to help cats and you have absolutely no control over how I choose to do it. If you don't like it, put me in your killfile. Remember? The one you claimed you already had me in? You don't have the self-control to actually do it. >I have seen my cats grow visibly >healthier when I added canned food to >their diets. Yet you'll argue with a recommendation to go to a canned diet just to be arbitrary. >However, I also had a cat live to 20 >years without a sick day and with all of >her teeth--on dry food. I always laugh when people come up with this stuff because for all you know, considering that you have seen your own cats grow "visibly healthier on canned food," you cat may have lived to 25 on a canned diet. >Suggest and make recommendations, >present the evidence for those >recommendations, and discuss the >options. That's exactly what I did and It's hilarious that you scream, rant and rave about censorship and people telling you what to say, but you don't hesitate to do it to others. It's just more of the blatant hypocrisy you exhibit on a daily basis. >But when you begin telling people not to >listen to their vets about specific cases >and specific cats, I think you presume too >much. Please quote where I told CP "not to listen to his vet." Oh you can't? Of course not, because I never said such a thing. >Even a bad vet has still had more >veterinary training than you. Maybe so, but there's been more than one instance where someone's cat is alive right now only because that person chose to listen to me instead of their vet. Long term practical experience in dealing with health issues is very valuable and often better than learning something from a book. I have 27 years of it. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray > marys@catlover.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > hesitate to do it to others. It's just more of the blatant hypocrisy you > exhibit on a daily basis. Here is what CP said and your reply: >I mentioned the all canned diet to the vet >and he stated that he is not wanting to go >with the group on this one. First he prescribes a dry food for urinary tract problems, and now he disagrees that an all canned diet would be better for Icarus? I would not use this vet as he clearly has not bothered to educate himself about the latest and most successful trends in treating urinary tract issues. But then again, keep you coming back to treat Icarus some more is certainly good for "his" pockets, isn't it? Megan That is really presumptuous of you. > >But when you begin telling people not to > >listen to their vets about specific cases [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Please quote where I told CP "not to listen to his vet." Oh you can't? > Of course not, because I never said such a thing. See above. Spin it any way you wish, that is what you said. marys@catlover.com wrote: >Spin it any way you wish, that is what >you said. You're the one doing the spinning and lying *again.* Nowhere did I tell CP not to listen to his vet and you have yet to produce the quote. I criticized his vet and said I would not use him. I did not tell him to ignore his vet's advice. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray > marys@catlover.com wrote: > >Spin it any way you wish, that is what > >you said. > > You're the one doing the spinning and lying *again.* Nonsense. marys@catlover.com wrote: >Nonsense. You write a lot of that. You still haven't produced the quote. And you can't because it doesn't exist. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray >> I mentioned the all canned diet to the vet >> and he stated that he is not wanting to go [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Megan I personally wouldn't use him either. Doesn't sound like he's up on things for UTI's at all. My vet does not recommend dry food of any kind. SignaturePawsForThought > >> I mentioned the all canned diet to the vet > >> and he stated that he is not wanting to go [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > things for UTI's at all. My vet does not recommend dry food of any > kind. You vet doesn't, but many do. In fact they sell it. I know that you have strong opinions about feeding, as others do here. However, I must insist that it is not a good idea to tell people to disregard their vet's advice. If CP wants to try another vet, he will. If he stays with this vet, I hope he follows his advice, and not that of people posting in a newsgroup. Think about it Lauren. It's just not a good thing to do. Regardless of your opinions you are not a vet and CP's cat is not under your care. > My cats are already on canned food twice a day where before it was only fed > once per day. The vet swears that part of the problem is the diet and > suggested a both dry and canned food which is hopefully better than the > Science Diet he had to eat before. I am still looking into good dry foods [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Cat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! > www.catgalaxymedia.com Ya gotta do what works - and if something isn't working, why continue it? I haven't followed your saga, but if the cat has had more two or more UTIs in a short period of time, I would be inclined to look at increasing water intake (which can be increased with a wet-food-only diet), diet composition, as well as it possibly being either interstitial cystitis or stress-induced cystitis (which can mimic IC). For the latter two conditions, Elavil often works when traditional antibiotic therapy repeatedly fails. I hope your kit feels better soon. -L. > >I know you don't want to hear this, but you need to get your cats off > > the cheap food, elmiinate dry food altogether, and feed a high quality [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > problem since. I do still allow some dry snacks, but he doesn't eat much of > it. Otoh, my cats have basically eaten SD dry (with very occasional SD canned, & for a while incl. Royal Canin dry) since '91, & Herrie's the only one who's had a UTI - the one episode, 3? years ago, I think it was. Not starting a "which food is better", or "dry Vs. canned" deal - just presenting more anecdotal info. Cathy > Hi all. > > It looks like Icarus' UTI is back. I saw the vet today to see if I can get a > stronger antibiotic and was given a prescription for a different one that > hopefull will do the trick. He'll have to go back to the vet in a couple of > weeks and be given another urine test. Let's hope this new stuff will work. This happened w/ one of my cats - Herrie. Thought we had it licked with the first antibiotic, but didn't really. The vet then prescribed a stronger antibiotic (Baytril), & for a longer course of it than the first one, and that truly zapped it. Cathy > Hi all. > > It looks like Icarus' UTI is back. I saw the vet today to see if I can get a > stronger antibiotic and was given a prescription for a different one that > hopefull will do the trick. He'll have to go back to the vet in a couple of > weeks and be given another urine test. Let's hope this new stuff will work. sorry to hear this . kim suffers from idiopathic cystitis (FIC) but touch wood , has not had an outbreak since last April. I feed her on a total wet diet , she has a GAG supplement to line her bladder and also a feliway plug- in as she is stressy. Alison Our little Sushi had 4 UTIs in a 2-month period last year. Antibiotics would clear it up, and the UTI would return within a week of going off them. A little 'net research led me to amitriptyline, a human antidepressant that works for feline UTIs. I talked to the vet about it and he wrote a prescription. She took it for 6 - 8 weeks and the UTI has not returned; it's now been almost 6 months since that spell. She's still eating canned prescription diet food and we may wean her off that eventually (but keep her on canned stuff) and see how she does. FWIW, she *hated* the Science Diet C/D prescription diet. She loves the Royal Canin/Waltham prescription diet. You might want to research amitriptyline yourself and ask your vet about it. According to what I read and what the vet said, it does need to be taken for 4 - 6 weeks minimum. Good luck, and hope this helps, Irene Sushi in the sink: http://good-night-irene.com/temporary/SinkCuteness.jpg > Hi all. > > It looks like Icarus' UTI is back. I saw the vet today to see if I can get a > stronger antibiotic and was given a prescription for a different one that > hopefull will do the trick. He'll have to go back to the vet in a couple of > weeks and be given another urine test. Let's hope this new stuff will work. > Our little Sushi had 4 UTIs in a 2-month period last year. Antibiotics would > clear it up, and the UTI would return within a week of going off them. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > prescription diet food and we may wean her off that eventually (but keep her > on canned stuff) and see how she does. That's interesting. I wonder what it is about an anti-depressant that would help a UTI. > FWIW, she *hated* the Science Diet C/D prescription diet. She loves the Royal > Canin/Waltham prescription diet. Your Sushi is adorable :-) SignaturePawsForThought > That's interesting. I wonder what it is about an anti-depressant that > would help a UTI. Ya got me on that one. I wonder who thought to even try it in the first place. Here's one article about it: http://snipurl.com/bcw3 A friend told me her vet prescribed it for her cat's UTI. The first round was a several weeks, but she said she's been able to thwart subsequent UTIs by giving him amitriptyline for about a week - 10 days as soon as he exhibits any symptoms. > Your Sushi is adorable :-) Thanks. We think so. :) Irene |
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