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Liver shunt cat- lifespan?

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KellyH - 27 Feb 2005 18:37 GMT
I have someone who might be interested in adopting my liver shunt kitty,
Ana.  However, she just lost a cat to cancer and isn't sure she wants to go
through something like that again.  Ana was diagnosed 6 months ago by
checking her bile acid levels after a bout of seizures.  Since then, she has
been fine.  She is growing well and has shown no signs of illness.  Ana is
on Lactulose 2x day and eats light adult food.
She has not had an u/s done.  The vet felt the bile acids test was enough
for a diagnosis.
I really don't know what to tell this person about what Ana's prognosis and
potential lifespan is.  Our vet can't give an answer, either.  She said this
is the only kitten she's seen with PSS that wasn't either put down right
away, or had a recurrance of the seizures, and was then put down.  She said
there's no way the liver shunt would have healed, either.
I know Iain on here has a PSS kitty who's about 3, is that right?  How often
does she have seizures?

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Iain Halder - 28 Feb 2005 17:53 GMT
>I have someone who might be interested in adopting my liver shunt kitty,
>Ana.  However, she just lost a cat to cancer and isn't sure she wants to go
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>I know Iain on here has a PSS kitty who's about 3, is that right?  How often
>does she have seizures?

Hi,

I truly believe that a PSS cat's life span can be as good as any other
cat provided the details are taken care of. Probably the life-span of
a PSS cat will be shorter than that of a more normal cat with
everything else being equal. But the thing is to equalise the balance
by direct intervention.

By that I mean the ammonia and gut products are kept under control and
you'll know from your own experience and I know from mine that if this
is done well then the frequency of things like seizure reduce. In MAGI
this is 4 to 8 weeks. I checked my diary a moment ago and in high
humid summer the seizures increase but with cooler days they decrease.

We took her on later in her life where she had not been fully looked
after before. ANA was a kitten and you rescued her young when your
intervention could, no did, make a difference to her life and probable
future longevity.

Our MAGI [who is sitting on the shelf above my computer watching me as
I type and saying to send good vibes to ANA for her!!!] has come on
great guns since we got her. She seizures still but the frequency is
much reduced and I think related to the amount of protein and
lactulose we give her.

I decided early on that she should have as normal a cat-life as
possible and probably give her more protein than I should. She has
grown well and while the seizures are an inconvenience they do not
dominate her life. Joy for her is tearing down a lactulose and turkey
slice and you can see it in her face when she bumps her head against
your hand and angles you for another slice more plus a bit of double
cream please. Inside this piece of turkey is her little tab of
phenobarbitone and while she knows this she is happy with our
agreement of meaty-bits-with-medicine.

Reading back there it seems as though I'm being cagey and
non-committal but how long does any living creature have? I don't
there ever is an answer. I'm a member of www.lef.org and apply this to
all my cats. I'm confident MAGI will not have a too-much shortened
life but nature has dealt her a certain set of cards (and now a heart
murmur has appeared) and we work around that.

In her interactions with our other two she feels she is as good as
either of them and won't hesitate to prove it.

ANA is a truly beautiful cat and how anybody can look in her direction
and say no amazes me. I suppose I'd be saying to this person that loss
is inevitable in a creature whose life spans are too-much shorter than
our own. But if she could look into the unique, incredible eyes of a
PSS cat and strike a deal with fate to say that whether she has this
cat for five years or for fifteen she could, with knowledge and
understanding, truly love her as much as any other.

I've put some recent pics of MAGI up for anyone to have a look at her
as she is now. You can see this PSS cat is quite the lady with sexy
eyes!!! Ask your friend where she might get a cat with eyes as lovely
and distinctive as ANA's?

Iain.H

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KellyH - 28 Feb 2005 19:38 GMT
> By that I mean the ammonia and gut products are kept under control and
> you'll know from your own experience and I know from mine that if this
> is done well then the frequency of things like seizure reduce. In MAGI
> this is 4 to 8 weeks. I checked my diary a moment ago and in high
> humid summer the seizures increase but with cooler days they decrease.

It's probaby a good thing that the area we are in does not get very hot and
humid in the summer.  Ana is indoor-only, so when it does get hot, she's in
the air conditioning anyway.

> We took her on later in her life where she had not been fully looked
> after before. ANA was a kitten and you rescued her young when your
> intervention could, no did, make a difference to her life and probable
> future longevity.

This is what I'm hoping.  She has been perfectly fine ever since she
recovered from the seizures.

> Our MAGI [who is sitting on the shelf above my computer watching me as
> I type and saying to send good vibes to ANA for her!!!] has come on
> great guns since we got her. She seizures still but the frequency is
> much reduced and I think related to the amount of protein and
> lactulose we give her.

Just curious, what type of cat food does she eat?  Ana eats the same Nutro
Weight Management and Wellness canned that the others eat.  Ana also likes
to sit on desk and watch me type :)

> I decided early on that she should have as normal a cat-life as
> possible and probably give her more protein than I should. She has
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> phenobarbitone and while she knows this she is happy with our
> agreement of meaty-bits-with-medicine.

I've never given Ana any people food, just too scared it might set her off.
What's interesting is that I occasionally give my other cats lunchmeat, but
Ana doesn't even ask for it like the others do.  I would probably feel bad
if she begged and I didn't oblige.

> ANA is a truly beautiful cat and how anybody can look in her direction
> and say no amazes me. I suppose I'd be saying to this person that loss
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> cat for five years or for fifteen she could, with knowledge and
> understanding, truly love her as much as any other.

I can sort of understand.  We have so many cats up for adoption that are
perfectly healthy.  So when faced with the choice of Ana, or a healthy cat,
most would choose the healthy one.  I would love to keep Ana for myself, but
I already have 6 cats and twins on the way.  I'm going to approach my uncle,
who's a vet, about  taking Ana.  I would love for her to stay in the family.

> I've put some recent pics of MAGI up for anyone to have a look at her
> as she is now. You can see this PSS cat is quite the lady with sexy
> eyes!!! Ask your friend where she might get a cat with eyes as lovely
> and distinctive as ANA's?

The eyes are pretty cool, aren't they? :)
Thanks, take care Iain.

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Iain Halder - 06 Mar 2005 00:49 GMT
>Just curious, what type of cat food does she eat?  Ana eats the same Nutro
>Weight Management and Wellness canned that the others eat.  Ana also likes
>to sit on desk and watch me type :)

We'll give her regular WHISKAS and she'll sometimes eat cat biscuits.

However she does love the sliced turkey/chicken/ham and its how we get
her to take her phenobarbitone. Sometimes she spits the pheno out so
we have to give her more meat ... smart cat :-)

This is high protein food so we'll add lactulose to it and she is
quite fond of the double cream which is good for her weight though
maybe not her heart since we heard about the murmur problem.

She had a rough time at the vet and the vet was unable to remove her
from her box so we are having a referral to get her echocardiogram and
ultrasound plus blood tests done on Monday.

She got a bit pissed off and was ready to have the vets arm for lunch.
Me and my other half tried to get h

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Iain Halder - 14 Mar 2005 20:27 GMT
>I really don't know what to tell this person about what Ana's prognosis and
>potential lifespan is.  Our vet can't give an answer, either.  She said this
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>I know Iain on here has a PSS kitty who's about 3, is that right?  How often
>does she have seizures?

Kelly,

I took MAGI to the veterinary hospital today for various tests and her
Portal Shunt is going to be operated on on Wednesday morning. The plan
is to ligate it and hopefully restore her to the status of a more
health-normal cat.

I asked the surgeons there what the life span of a PSS cat was and
they answered that it was, on average, from 2 to 5 years. This was the
position even though the cat was being medically controlled by
nutritional intervention and by anti-seizure drugs.

If the treatment is successful then such a cat's life span will be as
normal as any other cat. Admittedly she is getting this op later than
the surgeons would have liked.

It is actually MAGI's 3rd birthday tomorrow and this is our birthday
present to her. Though I don't think she will directly appreciate
it!!! ;-)

Iain Halder.

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Karen - 14 Mar 2005 20:49 GMT
> >I really don't know what to tell this person about what Ana's prognosis and
> >potential lifespan is.  Our vet can't give an answer, either.  She said this
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>
> Iain Halder.

Please keep us posted!

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