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Mild medication to reduce stress/spraying?
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Kelly - 26 Feb 2005 22:35 GMT Hi all,
So I was the one that posted about my recently neutered 1 and a half year old male that would not stop howling and meowing. So he is now boarding at my work (vet clinic).
Today we let him out to walk around the clinic ... first of all, whenever he found himself alone, he would start to howl all over again (not surprising, but in all my cat years I have never seen this before). And then here's the big thing.... he walked by a bag of food, turned around, and SPRAYED. Oh man this really worries me.
First of all, it's only been one week since he's been neutered, so is there still a chance that it's just his hormones making him do this?
There are two more weeks before we move him into the new house. I've already decided I'm getting the Feliway diffuser. We are starting him off in the basement (it's a nice basement, not dungeon), and then will slowly introduce him to the rest of the house. I want to make this as easy on him as possible, and I don't want to take a chance that he is going to begin spraying immediately due to stress. Is there a mild anti-anxiety drug that we could temporarily use in addition to the Feliway to help calm this poor little guy (just until he gets used to the house)? I know that he is going to begin his howling as soon as we move him into the new house... and I don't want him to get so stressed that he begins spraying. Now I haven't asked my vet about this yet.... I wanted to get some opinions from different cat lovers because I know I'm not the only one with a spraying/anxious cat. Would Clomicalm be a bad idea?
After he is comfortable with the house and we have no "incidents"... we will introduce my other cat (no problems with this one).
Thanks for any thoughts. This guy has me real worried.
Kelly
Alison - 27 Feb 2005 00:53 GMT Hi Kelly, I would try asking this question on the Think like a Cat forum http://messageboards.ivillage.com/iv-ptthinkcat and get an answer from Pam Johnson- Bennet. Other people's opinions and experiences are helpful but when it comes to making a decision about anti-anxiety drugs, I think you need more than that. Alison
> Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Kelly Kelly - 27 Feb 2005 03:30 GMT > Hi Kelly, > I would try asking this question on the Think like a Cat forum [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > about anti-anxiety drugs, I think you need more than that. > Alison Hi Alison,
I certainly plan on discussing this with the vet I work with, and my own personal vet before I go ahead with anything. I was just wondering if anyone had any success stories with any of the meds that can be used with environmental/behaviour modification.
Kelly
YourConscience - 27 Feb 2005 06:29 GMT Your kat is DYIN on you on accHOWENT of you abuse him.
Death Producing Ulcers: "Emotional Influences On Health & Behavior" Dr. George Von Hilsheimer
Emotional Influences On Behavior
Illness is directly related to depression and lack of adjustment, particularly to a new environment (Parens, McConville & Kaplan, 1966).
A WIDE RANGE of PSYCHOSOMATIC or CORTICOVISCERAL DIS-EASES was surveyed by Wittkower (1965) to demonstrate the enormous importance of emotional factors in general health.
Interview findings of emotional material (recently experienced hopelessness) pryor to biological examinations correctly identified 11 out of 19 with cervical cancer, and 25 of 32 who were cancer free even though psychological tests failed to discriminate these groups (Schmale & Iker, 1966)
150 lung cancer patients showed significantly constricted expression of emotions. The had fewer childhood behavior problems, and lower neuroticism score than their cancer free controls. Heavy cigarette smokers who DO NOT INHALE are more apt to have LUNG CANCER. They, too, show LOWER neuroticism scores. Among heavy cigarette smokers poor emotional expression is as highly related to cancer as urban residence and is more important than a chronic cough or an air polluted environment (Kissen, 1966).
A ten year observation of all the women who developed cancer in an isolated pupulation of 2,550 showed that they tended to be unstable or sub stable personalities characterized by melancholy and extraversion, especially marked with those of an undecided body build (Hagll, 1966). Personality dynamics effect both the development of cancer and it's SITE. Cancer may result from what appears to be a failure to grow-- somatically, behaviorally and psychologically (Grinker, 1966).
In 109 cases leukemia and lymphoma were associated with a number of losses or separations and with feelings of sadness, anxiety, anger or hopelessness. The PRIMARY FACTOR seems to be the shame and hopelessness of running out of psychological resources (Green, 1966). Cervical cancer patients are less emotionally responsive, more isolative, and less frequently diagnosed as having clinical neuroses than cancer free patients. There is NO CLEAR DIFFERENCE in their FEELINGS and ATTITUDES toward coitus (Rotkin, Qunk, & Couchman, 1965).
Schmidt (1966) surveyed nearly 100 studies of behaviorally induced DIS-EASE in animals CONFIRMING and EXTENDING the DATA on PEOPLE. Behaviorally induced DIS-EASES tend to fall into two groups; (1) Hysteriform problems, which INCLUDE HYSTERICAL SEIZURES and FORMS of AGGRESSION as well as collective panic and epilepsies;
(2) organic modifications, including functional difficulties and lesions affecting gastro intestinal, cardio vascular, respiratory, sexual, endocrine, skin, urinary, and neuro muscular systems.
It is INTERESTING, and SLIGHTLY HORRIFYING, to note that the ONLY SCIENTIFIC RELEVANCE of the standard six hour school day that I have been able to detect in research is that Sawrey and Weisz quite by accident found that six hours on and six hour off of "EXECUTIVE BEHAVIOR" in monkeys was the ONLY TIME STRUCTURE that INDUCED DEATH PRODUCING ULCERS.
----- Original Message ----- From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D."
<drv...@mindspring.com> To: <pdd-aspy...@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:31 AM Subject: How does diagnosis shape treatment?
How does diagnosis shape treatment?
Nearly every week I have a visit from Jerry Howe, who publicizes himself as The Puppy Wizard. Jerry is a master at behavioral modification of dogs.
His fundamental bedrock is the work Pavlov's last student, the late Sam
Corson, Ph.D., did at the U of Ohio (at Oxford,O).
Sam always pointed out if the dog stopped working for you in the lab, Pavlov and he always took the dog away from the lab, and put him in a loving home and gave him TLC for a couple of months, and then started, very carefully, over again.
Jerry believes that reward and constraint focused training is immoral. I've watched him in one short session calm impossible dogs, just about to be murdered (oops "put to sleep") because of their "incorrigibly" violent behavior.
Sam was one of the first people to apply amphetamine to hyperactivity (he searched the Middle West for yperactive dogs); but he never lost sight of the fundamental reality that a dog is not a human, but does respond, doggily, to dog love.
You might be surprised to go to B. F. Skinner's "Cumulative Record" and read the essay by Breland and Breland, "The Misbehavior of Organisms".
Animals cannot be successfully trained unless the trainer attends to the evolutionary history, the individual's developmental history, and the environmental niche of the animal being trained.
Yep, right there in Skinner's last and summary book. Even with behavior mod, you must know the animal.
Dogs or little boys, you have to know the individual history, and the nature of he disorder.
Dr. Von
PS if you are interested in dogs, then take a look at Jerry's work, ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net
From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)
The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method
I have studied canine behavior and dog training for years. I have a huge library that covers every system of training.
The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced, the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training method yet discovered.
It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically consistent manner.
Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to understand the basis of his system and please follow his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece. It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed descriptions about why behavior problems occur and how their solution should be approached.
One should not pick and choose from among his methods based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system for not only training a dog
but for raising a loving companion.
When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.
You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you will become the center of your dogs world, if you use Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15 seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to lie quietly and let me clip his nails).
Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction / praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to train you dog to respond to your commands.
What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would carry him in response to my recall command-and he comes running every time I call no matter where we are or what he is doing.
At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and his Family Pack Leadership exercises.
Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him, if you force him then his natural response is to oppose you.
Is Jerry a nut?
It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not. It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry wears
his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or hurting dogs.
More than that, he knows that force is not effective and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems; sometime problems so severe that people put their dogs down because of those problems.
I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control their dog by
force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been at our wits' end, haven't we?
Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind to praise.
Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise. You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate along with their anxiety.
Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End Training Method as a scientific principle just as you would the law of gravity and you will have astounding success.
Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.
If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?). --Larry
----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry M Male" <larrymm...@yahoo.com To: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 12:44 PM Subject: Re: Cocker with ear infection
Thanks Jerry,
I enjoyed the scientific discussion debunking operant conditioning for teaching thinking animals. Humans think by forming concepts. All of their knowledge is held as a hierarchy of concepts (more complex concepts defined in terms of simpler ones). In my mind, to treat such a being as a B. F. Skinner robot is criminal.
I don't believe that dogs hold their knowledge as concepts as do humans but their ability to think is unquestionable.
Operantconditioning doesn't utilize an animal's ability to think. When you show a dog what you want them to do, then they are able to grasp the problem; they are able to think about it and to integrate possible solutions into their mind.
But with operant conditioning a trainer is actually hiding the problem to be solved from the animal.
For example, it is good for your dog's attention to be upon you. When heeling, he will notice your movements, your subtle hand signals, your facial expressions and he will immediately sense your next command. But the clicker trainers have forgotten the reasons why a dog's attention should be upon you.
So they condition a dog to unnaturally cock his head to stare upward at you. The dog doesn't appreciate the meaning of this and neither does the trainer. Since this unnatural behavior is prized in the obedience ring, the clicker trainers are motivated to condition it.
Don't you think that the "high five" hand shake that clicker trainers use to motivate novices looks like a Nazi salute (an unthinking reflex). It is not at all like a warm hand shake from a loving companion, is it?
Some of your testimonials bring tears to my eyes. I love to see how some "thinking" people appreciate your methods.
--Larry
Alison - 27 Feb 2005 13:21 GMT > > Hi Alison, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Kelly Hi Kelly, That's good, I know you said you were going to discuss it with your vet; I guess I don't always trust vets when it comes to behavioural problems but obviously I dont know your vet and you do and trust him so that's the main thing.:) Alison
-L. - 27 Feb 2005 01:25 GMT > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > First of all, it's only been one week since he's been neutered, so is there > still a chance that it's just his hormones making him do this? The howling or the spraying? Howling - no likely, spraying, yes.
Are you sure he isn't hearing or visually impaired? Howling when alone can be a sign of deafness or blindness.
Elavil may be the drug you want to try, if all else fails.
Good luck, -L.
Kelly - 27 Feb 2005 03:36 GMT > The howling or the spraying? Howling - no likely, spraying, yes. > > Are you sure he isn't hearing or visually impaired? Howling when alone > can be a sign of deafness or blindness. > > Elavil may be the drug you want to try, if all else fails. Yes, I'm positive he is not impaired visually nor hearing-wise. He *is* mostly white... but his eyes are green and loud noises startle him. Plus when I call him he comes running. Then he will follow me around the clinic, so he must be able to see. He also looks directly in your eyes all the time.
I just want to reduce his anxiety in the new house as much as possible, and I'm afraid the Feliway may not do it on it's own because it appears he has a lot of separation anxiety, as well as a lot of territorial stress. Hopefully the next couple weeks will do it for his spraying and I won't have to resort to medications.
Kelly
Karen - 27 Feb 2005 04:11 GMT >> The howling or the spraying? Howling - no likely, spraying, yes. >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Kelly I sure don't think you can figure in the spraying bit until it's further away from his surgery. Does he have something at the boarding facility now which smells of your home and cats, to pre-familiarize him with the scents? Might be good too. I guess I wouldn't rule out Feliway until you've actually tried it. I wonder if he can have a radio or something too. Always helped our animals to have a radio on when no one was around.
Mary - 27 Feb 2005 05:03 GMT > >> The howling or the spraying? Howling - no likely, spraying, yes. > >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > tried it. I wonder if he can have a radio or something too. Always helped > our animals to have a radio on when no one was around. Kelly - 27 Feb 2005 15:30 GMT > I sure don't think you can figure in the spraying bit until it's further > away from his surgery. Does he have something at the boarding facility now [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > tried it. I wonder if he can have a radio or something too. Always helped > our animals to have a radio on when no one was around. Hi Karen,
Giving him something that smells like Harley, our other cat is a great idea. Unfortunately, we don't get possession of the new house for another two weeks, so I can't really give him anything that will smell like the house he will be moving into. We will be sanitizing (cleaning from top to bottom) the new house anyway, so maybe I could give him some Mr. Clean products because that will probably be what the house smells like when he moves in (JOKING!!!).
Yes I will definitely be putting a small radio in the basement to help keep him company until the can have access to the rest of the house.
Thanks for the suggestions, Kelly
Karen - 27 Feb 2005 21:24 GMT >> I sure don't think you can figure in the spraying bit until it's further >> away from his surgery. Does he have something at the boarding facility now [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Thanks for the suggestions, > Kelly This may be wierd, but you might actually bring little harley poops to put in the box.
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