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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / February 2005Help! My cat hates my fiance
For the past year my cat has peed on everything that is NOT mine. He has been peing on everything that IS my fiance's however and my papazan chair is ruined. He even pee's on clean clothes if they are left in the basket downstairs. I have tried everything from rubbing his nose in it to almost smacking it off when I catch him doing it. How do I get him to stop?? > For the past year my cat has peed on everything that is NOT mine. He has > been peing on everything that IS my fiance's however and my papazan chair > is ruined. He even pee's on clean clothes if they are left in the basket > downstairs. I have tried everything from rubbing his nose in it to almost > smacking it off when I catch him doing it. How do I get him to stop?? <ducking to avoid the barrage to come!!!> Um, get rid of the fiance??! Better yet, give the cat to someone who knows how to take care of a cat and cares enough to *NOT* abuse an animal???! Hugs, CatNipped > -- > Message posted via http://www.catkb.com Get a urinalysis for your cat. Rule out a urinary infection or crystals in urinary tract....this may be a medical problem which you are interpretting as a behavior problem. Don't wait, see your vet you cat may be getting worse and urinary crystals can lead to urinary tract obstruction. >For the past year my cat has peed on everything that is NOT mine. >He has been peing on everything that IS my fiance's however and my >papazan chair is ruined. He even pee's on clean clothes if they >are left in the basket downstairs. I have tried everything from >rubbing his nose in it to almost smacking it off when I catch him >doing it. How do I get him to stop?? Keep the litter box clean. Avoid badgering your cat. Cats do not respond to pressure, you have to outsmart them. As a human being, you should be more able to understand your cat than forcing your cat to understand you. If you make life near the litter box tense or otherwise unpleasant, your cat might avoid it. For what it's worth. About using force on an indoor-only cat. I am all for using force, but only if I am sure it will do some good (and not alienate my cat). Beating a cat makes it nervous and can cause undesirable side effects. Keeping your cat inside is good but you can understand the effect of it being confined. If the cat were outside, it's natural response to beating would be to run away. A cat can be well behaved and happy inside. The only thing brute force is useful for is a momentary deterrent. Persistent repetition of well-controlled force in a nonaggressive manner might be useful, also for making sure your cat knows who's boss (use your voice in combination). Good luck. > For what it's worth. About using force on an indoor-only cat. I am > all for using force, but only if I am sure it will do some good (and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Good luck. What do you mean by using force exactly? (or do I really not want to know...) >> For what it's worth. About using force on an indoor-only cat. I am >> all for using force, but only if I am sure it will do some good (and [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > What do you mean by using force exactly? (or do I really not want to > know...) Blatant troll. Path: dwarf.nntpserver.com!newsfeed.ultrafeed.com!newsfeed-west.nntpserver.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!news.glorb.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!newsmst01a.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr31.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!ec568d3c!not-for-mail From: kitkat <kitkatluna@aol.commie> Reply-To: kitkatluna@aol.commie User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav Subject: Re: Help! My cat hates my fiance References: <48b6be4689ef45208ec4dc53a248b147@CatKB.com> <Xns9608E0AAB702Bwisdomfolly@151.164.30.42> In-Reply-To: <Xns9608E0AAB702Bwisdomfolly@151.164.30.42> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Message-ID: <OJSTd.8941$bo5.5884@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.78.70.242 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr31.news.prodigy.com 1109391342 ST000 68.78.70.242 (Fri, 25 Feb 2005 23:15:42 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 23:15:42 EST Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: SCSYASJD\BSERVX[BJNX_VTDFZ\@@FXLM@TDOCQDJ@_@FNHB_NVUAH_[BL[\IRKIANGGJBFNJF_DOLSCENSY^U@FRFUEXR@KFXYDBPWBCDQJA@X_DCBHXR[C@\EOKCJLED_SZ@RMWYXYWE_P@\\GOIW^@SYFFSWHFIXMADO@^[ADPRPETLBJ]RDGENSKQQZN Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 04:15:42 GMT Xref: newsfeed-west.nntpserver.com rec.pets.cats.health+behav:324759 >>> For what it's worth. About using force on an indoor-only cat. I am >>> all for using force, but only if I am sure it will do some good (and [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 04:15:42 GMT > Xref: newsfeed-west.nntpserver.com rec.pets.cats.health+behav:324759 Just kidding! How is Jasper? > Just kidding! How is Jasper? Well, other than the fact taht he has not pooped since yesterday morning, he is doing GREAT. We are going to the vet tomorrow to pick up his prescription food so we'll address that issue first thing tomorrow. It's odd, because he seems perfectly fine. I don't see him going in the box and coming out unsuccessful. I wonder if any of his drugs or a combo of them could be causing some constipation. If it's not one thing, it's another. At least he doesn't have oozing tush anymore?!?!! :) Pam >> Just kidding! How is Jasper? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > :) > Pam It has to be the drugs and just the disruption in his eating and drinking routine. I am not on any prescription or over-the-counter drugs, but when I have to take anti-biotics for, say, a dental cleaning it messes me up. 'Nuff said about that! ;) >>> Just kidding! How is Jasper? >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > drugs, but when I have to take anti-biotics for, say, a dental cleaning > it messes me up. 'Nuff said about that! ;) I am definitely hoping it's just that and my gut instinct agrees with ya. That is why I am not panicking and calling the emergency vet this evening. As comfortable and happy as he seems...I think the matter can wait til the morning. In the meanwhile...Little Luna is really cracking me up. She wants to eat Jasper's dry food, which according to the vet does not have enough nutrients for her. And she just helped herself and finished the snack of baby food I had put out for Jasper. I *swear* she has that look of rebellion in her eye as she eats his food, too. LOL. friggen cats! ;) Pam > I am definitely hoping it's just that and my gut instinct agrees with > ya. That is why I am not panicking and calling the emergency vet this > evening. As comfortable and happy as he seems...I think the matter can > wait til the morning. How is he? I missed this last night. > In the meanwhile...Little Luna is really cracking me up. She wants to > eat Jasper's dry food, which according to the vet does not have enough > nutrients for her. And she just helped herself and finished the snack of > baby food I had put out for Jasper. I *swear* she has that look of > rebellion in her eye as she eats his food, too. LOL. friggen cats! ;) I know. Cheeks has taken to sneaking down and eating what Buddha has not finished of her canned food. She just thinks it is funny, because Boo guards it so vigilantly, but eventually goes off for a nap and is too fat and slow to get back to it when sleepy. The most hilarious thing is that every morning at feeding time when both cats are standing in the kitchen watching me make my coffee, fill their water dishes, and eventually open the cat food, Cheeks tries to sniff Buddha's butt. She has been doing this for three years, and every time, Buddha wheels around and dares her to try it again, at which point Cheeks generally slinks off like "I wasn't doin' nothin,' man. Jeeze." Well this morning Cheeks waited until Boo's back was turned, went in for a sniff, and when Boo wheeled, little skinny Cheeky sat back and mock slapped at her. Buddha then did the same, and it was like "Girly fights" in the kitchen for a few seconds, with them both back on their haunches giving half-hearted slaps at each other like they would really rather not touch one another at all. I howled. Little comedians. >>I am definitely hoping it's just that and my gut instinct agrees with >>ya. That is why I am not panicking and calling the emergency vet this >>evening. As comfortable and happy as he seems...I think the matter can >>wait til the morning. > > How is he? I missed this last night. still no poop, but he is as happy as a clam. the vet said the low residue food he is on will produce less poop. she also said that unless he is straining to poop and is unsuccessful that there's nothing to worry about. so, we'll give him another day or so and then start hounding the vet again. im thinking of trying some pumpkin since it has been mentioned here that it could help with constipation. poor jasper. if it's not one thing it's another! :) > >>I am definitely hoping it's just that and my gut instinct agrees with > >>ya. That is why I am not panicking and calling the emergency vet this [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > im thinking of trying some pumpkin since it has been mentioned here that > it could help with constipation. Maybe he's not constipated, just not enough accumulated yet (re: new food) for him to have to poop? I don't know - have never had a cat on this sort of food, just hazarding a guess... Glad he's feeling so much better. Cathy > poor jasper. if it's not one thing it's another! :) > Maybe he's not constipated, just not enough accumulated yet (re: new food) > for him to have to poop? I don't know - have never had a cat on this sort [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Cathy It is all such a mystery. :) But if the vet isn't worried...I'm gonna try not to either. It was funny...the other day...we were eagerly anticipating a poop...and he FINALLY went (this was Thursday morning...and was his last poop, too)..and Tim called and left me a message on my cell phone all excited..."DUDLEY POOPED!" (dudley is another name that we more commonly use around the house...or duds...or mr. duds...etc...anyway...) We felt so silly calling eachother to celebrate over a poop. :) He really should have plenty of food accumulated, IMO. He has been eating the new prescription food as well as baby food and cooked chicken. So, there should be plenty of bowel action. C'MON JASPER DUDS! Pam :) > > Maybe he's not constipated, just not enough accumulated yet (re: new food) > > for him to have to poop? I don't know - have never had a cat on this sort [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Pam :) Better on your cell phone, than e-mailing the message to school. *If* the admin. decided to read teachers' e-mails... well, heh. ;-) Cathy >> For what it's worth. About using force on an indoor-only cat. I >> am all for using force, but only if I am sure it will do some [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> manner might be useful, also for making sure your cat knows who's >> boss (use your voice in combination). >What do you mean by using force exactly? (or do I really not want >to know...) Are you saying that all force is bad? There is no gray area? In my opinion, the trick to good cat keeping is understanding the animal, not the other way around. I'm not the most skilled, however I think that is a very good principal. I do not treat my cats like young human children. They will never learn to understand me and my ways like a child eventually learns. Cats understand well-controlled force. I can see it in the interaction between my two cats. They are rougher on each other than I am (ideally) on them. I even take how they feel into consideration. Have you ever noticed a cat being upset after you discipline it? One time I forced my cat out of the area. It walked into the other room, passing under a chair, and swiped at a cloth hanging down from the seat as if to angrily say "get out of my way!". My cats are healthy and happy. Their life outside was cruel, at least physically cruel. Assuming your house is hospitable to human beings, if your cats respond to a force free environment, good for you. By the way. When you see an abused, starving cat outside, how do you cope? I cope by putting more effort into improving the life of my befriended now indoor-only cats. >>What do you mean by using force exactly? (or do I really not want >>to know...) > > Are you saying that all force is bad? There is no gray area? No. I am asking what you mean by force. In other words, does any of your force cause the cat pain...even if for an instant? Or are you just talking about picking the cat up and moving it from a problem situation/area/whatever. > Cats understand well-controlled force. I can see it in the > interaction between my two cats. They are rougher on each other than [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > hanging down from the seat as if to angrily say "get out of my > way!". When I say "NO!" to Luna...the look on her face is priceless. Jasper cant see or hear me, so I can't really "discipline" him...and really have no need to. > Assuming your house is hospitable to human beings, if your cats > respond to a force free environment, good for you. I hope my house is "hospitable to human beings" since there are 2 of us human being types living here! And again...just wondering exactly what you mean by force. That's all. > By the way. When you see an abused, starving cat outside, how do you cope? I cope by > putting more effort into improving the life of my befriended now > indoor-only cats. Fortunately, I don't see this often. I can't think of the last time I saw an abused, starving cat outside. I don't think I'd be able to ignore that. But even when I go to the pet store, like PetSmart, and they have the kitties for adoption there, seeing them makes me want to race home and cuddle with my own kitties. I am so glad I have them! ... >> Assuming your house is hospitable to human beings, if your cats >> respond to a force free environment, good for you. > >I hope my house is "hospitable to human beings" since there are 2 >of us human being types living here! And again...just wondering >exactly what you mean by force. That's all. What I mean by "appropriate force". The subject is too complicated, the definition is too common (you can dispute that, it's just too complicated), my idea of appropriate force is not written in stone, and my actions are subject to change. These might be the qualifications. ... helps the animal understand my greater size, weight, and strength (I am king here)... I also happen to admire my cats coordination, quickness, and courage (and appreciate its sharp, long claws) ... helps the animal understand that it should play fairly, it cannot push me around or hurt the other cat ... is constrained by the evaluation of whether the cat's life is better on the inside than it would be outside, whether I think the cat probably would run away if it were able to ... maybe also constrained by not wanting my arms scratched up (it's a learning experience) ... driven by the understanding that just saying No does not work... what I see is an animal that will never surrender, without correction, it will attempt to encroach forever (like maybe any other mortal being) Just saying No works for you? Really? That's great. >> By the way. When you see an abused, starving cat outside, how do >> you cope? I cope by putting more effort into improving the life [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >want to race home and cuddle with my own kitties. I am so glad I >have them! On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 05:42:33 GMT, kitkat <kitkatluna@aol.commie> >> Cats understand well-controlled force. I can see it in the >> interaction between my two cats. They are rougher on each other than [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >cant see or hear me, so I can't really "discipline" him...and really >have no need to. Mine definitely understands "NO" - she ignores it about 25% of the time though. Another 50% she merely looks up as if to say "Oh yeah? What are you gonna do about it?" and then goes back to doing whatever it was she shouldn't be doing. The other 25% of the time, it actually works.
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