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A.Pismo Clam - 23 Feb 2005 22:19 GMT
We are about to introduce 1 more sweet, all-black kitty to our other two
 tabbies which have been with us for 7 years.

Do we need another litter box to accommodate the newest, who is about 8
months old and 6lb. 4oz? The other two are about 10 lbs each.

Many thanks for taking the time to respond!

Alain
Joe Canuck - 23 Feb 2005 22:38 GMT
> We are about to introduce 1 more sweet, all-black kitty to our other two
>  tabbies which have been with us for 7 years.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Alain

The general rule is one more litter box than the number of cats in the
house.

That is... 2 cats = 3 litter boxes, 3 cats = 4 litter boxes.

Whether you need another litter box depends on the number of boxes you
now have.
Mary - 23 Feb 2005 22:59 GMT
> > We are about to introduce 1 more sweet, all-black kitty to our other two
> >  tabbies which have been with us for 7 years.
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> Whether you need another litter box depends on the number of boxes you
> now have.

We do okay with two boxes for two cats.
kitkat - 23 Feb 2005 23:48 GMT
>> We are about to introduce 1 more sweet, all-black kitty to our other
>> two  tabbies which have been with us for 7 years.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Whether you need another litter box depends on the number of boxes you
> now have.

Or just trial and error. My 2 cats are fine with 2 litter boxes.

Lucky,
Pam
ElvisRocks - 24 Feb 2005 05:53 GMT
I had 2 boxes for 2 cats.

>> We are about to introduce 1 more sweet, all-black kitty to our other two
>> tabbies which have been with us for 7 years.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Whether you need another litter box depends on the number of boxes you now
> have.
ElvisRocks - 24 Feb 2005 05:53 GMT
p.s.  they pee'd in one and pooped in the other!

>> We are about to introduce 1 more sweet, all-black kitty to our other two
>> tabbies which have been with us for 7 years.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Whether you need another litter box depends on the number of boxes you now
> have.
Joe Canuck - 24 Feb 2005 12:06 GMT
>> We are about to introduce 1 more sweet, all-black kitty to our other
>> two  tabbies which have been with us for 7 years.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Whether you need another litter box depends on the number of boxes you
> now have.

Several of you have posted back something to the effect that "well I
have 2 cats and only 2 boxes and it works for me".

Whatever works folks... is the bottom line.

If it stops working (i.e: your cat starts eliminating outside the box),
among other things, it is perhaps times to rethink your litter box
strategy.

More boxes does mean each box may stay cleaner longer in a multi-cat
household. Note I said MAY. That will only happen if they use ALL the
boxes on a more or less equal basis.

If you have kittens and a multi-level home you really are best to have a
box on each level the kitten has access to... same thing if you have a
very large home on one level... more than one box is a good idea for
kittens until they mature.
koraky@gmail.com - 23 Feb 2005 22:45 GMT
> We are about to introduce 1 more sweet, all-black kitty to our other two
>   tabbies which have been with us for 7 years.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Alain

It depends. I had 3 grown cats on a single litter box. No problems.
Some say: number of litterboxes = number of cats + 1.
Meghan Noecker - 24 Feb 2005 12:18 GMT
>> We are about to introduce 1 more sweet, all-black kitty to our other
>two
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>It depends. I had 3 grown cats on a single litter box. No problems.
>Some say: number of litterboxes = number of cats + 1.

Until last week, I had one box for 3 cats. I had two boxes before, but
they didn't use the one. Back when there were more cats in the house,
we had more boxes, but all of my cats are in the basement, so we ended
up going down to one box.

With the addition of Jay Jay, I added another box. Four cats on one
box seemed a bit much, and Jay Jay is larger. Oddly, he seems to use
both boxes, actually started with the smaller box. But the other cats
seem to like the larger box more, even though it is in the same spot
as the box they never used. So, they seem to prefer a larger box,
something I didn't know.

By accident, I discovered I need an extra box upstairs right now. Jay
Jay is hesitant to walk through the living room since the dogs hang
out there. So, if he is upstairs while I am at work, he will not go
downstairs to the kitty litter. He used my mom's clothes a couple
nights ago. So, I put a box in the bathtub. He has only used it twice
in 3 days, but it's there if he needs it. Once he is comfortable with
the dogs, I will take it out.

I just bless him. Other than the one incident when no box was
available to him, he used the boxes every time, even with his
diarrhea. He's a very good boy.

Oh, I also learned that the larger box is great because I can fill it
deeper, and there is more space in the middle, so nothing sticks to
the bottom, and very little is stuck to the sides. Scooping is a lot
easier with this larger box. All I need is to find better liners. The
largest liners are a tad small, so I  have the line duct-taped to the
box to keep it in place.

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Cathy Friedmann - 24 Feb 2005 00:08 GMT
> We are about to introduce 1 more sweet, all-black kitty to our other two
>   tabbies which have been with us for 7 years.
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>
> Alain

The "rule" is one litter box per cat, plus one.

Otoh, except for when one of my cats was pooping outside of the box many
years ago (& I therefore had 2 cats, with a total of 4 or 5 boxes, in order
to solve her problem), I usually have the same number of boxes as I have
cats.  Right now, 2 cats and one main box, with another box that gets
occasional use.  Otoh, I scoop the main box out 3 times/day, sometimes more,
and it's the biggest litter box I could find.

Considering your cats are medium - largish, I'd have corresponding sized
litter boxes.  Definitely not little ones.  Otherewise, a cat could have all
4 paws in the box, & squat, *assuming* it's peeing/pooping _in_ the box,
when in reality the cat's rear is overhanging the box's edge!

Cathy
Meghan Noecker - 24 Feb 2005 12:23 GMT
>Considering your cats are medium - largish, I'd have corresponding sized
>litter boxes.  Definitely not little ones.  Otherewise, a cat could have all
>4 paws in the box, & squat, *assuming* it's peeing/pooping _in_ the box,
>when in reality the cat's rear is overhanging the box's edge!

My sister lives next door, but her cat is indoor/outdoor, and they
used to live at our house. So, he still comes through during the day.
He rarely uses the box since he goes outside. But one day, I saw him,
all 4 feet in the box, and his butt hanging over the side. I'll give
him credit for trying, but he totally missed the target.

That is why I bought the larger box for Jay Jay. He's even bigger. But
he still manages to use the smaller box with no problem, and chooses
to use it even with the larger box only 4 feet away.

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Angela St.Aubin - 24 Feb 2005 17:01 GMT
I dont see a problem with 2 cats sharing one litter box as long as it is
well taken care of.
I live in an apartment and there simply isn't anywhere to put a 2nd or 3rd.
Although, I would never ever consider having 3 for 2 cats.
Joe Canuck - 24 Feb 2005 18:12 GMT
> I dont see a problem with 2 cats sharing one litter box as long as it is
> well taken care of.
> I live in an apartment and there simply isn't anywhere to put a 2nd or 3rd.
> Although, I would never ever consider having 3 for 2 cats.

I see two problems with two cats sharing a litter box...

Suppose they both have to go at the same time. Perhaps a rare event, but
still a possibility.

And what if the two cats don't exactly get along, but perhaps tolerate
each other. One or the other could find themselves either trapped inside
the box or prevented from using the litter box as the other one does
guard duty outside.

Ah ha, I lied! Third problem... suppose they each use the box within a
short period of time. Whether clumping or standard litter is used, it
could get a little messy.
Janet B - 24 Feb 2005 18:19 GMT
>> I dont see a problem with 2 cats sharing one litter box as long as it is
>> well taken care of.
>> I live in an apartment and there simply isn't anywhere to put a 2nd or 3rd.
>> Although, I would never ever consider having 3 for 2 cats.

For many years, I had 2 cats sharing one box.  Things change.  Cats
change, physical issues change.  I currently have 3 boxes for 2 cats.
2 are next to each other - "easy flush" litter - each can have their
own (and yes, they DO go at the same time sometimes, right next to
each other - shared bathroom space!).  The other is a crystals filled
box that's upstairs.  It's probably not necessary, but when we were
having some problems for while, it was and it's a nice additional spot
for them.  they rarely defecate in it - it's mostly for a quick pee
break and the crystals absorb it quickly, so it's practically no
maintenance.

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tracyrose@gmail.com - 24 Feb 2005 18:19 GMT
When I went from one cat to two, we certainly added a 2nd litterbox for
the new cat to use. Once both cats were using boxes interchageably and
had established their "cat manners" (as in no trapping in the box, no
attacking while eating, and mutuall grooming), we cut down to one box -
a large uncovered one. It works fine ......

"Suppose they both have to go at the same time. Perhaps a rare event,
but still a possibility"

Well, the two humans here only have one bathroom too, but we survive.
The same rules apply, I guess. You hold it in or you communicate to
express that you really gotta go.

"And what if the two cats don't exactly get along, but perhaps tolerate
each other. One or the other could find themselves either trapped
inside
the box or prevented from using the litter box as the other one does
guard duty outside"

That is why you have to add a 2nd box during any cat introduction
period. But that sort of behavior is really not acceptable once two
cats have gotten to know and accept each other and just doesn't happen.
It's like tackling another cat while it's grooming. Bad form.

"Ah ha, I lied! Third problem... suppose they each use the box within a
short period of time. Whether clumping or standard litter is used, it
could get a little messy"

The box gets cleaned morning and night. Generally each cat has used it
once and there are two little balls - generally on opposite sides of
the box.
Not really all that messy or no more than so than two seperate boxes
with once clump in them each!

And what if the two
Angela St.Aubin - 24 Feb 2005 21:51 GMT
> > I dont see a problem with 2 cats sharing one litter box as long as it is
> > well taken care of.
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> short period of time. Whether clumping or standard litter is used, it
> could get a little messy.

I dont see any of those as problems at all.
I wouldn't have two cats that didn't get along to a degree enough for me to
feel safe with them sharing.
My cats are smart enough to hold it for 10 seconds, and I have in fact seen
2 at one time in there, but I dont know if they were just being silly or
both actually going. Again, if you have a smart owner, you would have a big
enough litter.
Also, the third one isn't an issue at all. I use clumping and clean it at
least once a day, usually twice. There is no problem having some extra sh.t
or urine in there when they use it again, that's why they bury it. Again, it
seems you are underestimating the intelligence of cats.
Joe Canuck - 24 Feb 2005 23:22 GMT
>>>I dont see a problem with 2 cats sharing one litter box as long as it is
>>>well taken care of.
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> or urine in there when they use it again, that's why they bury it. Again, it
> seems you are underestimating the intelligence of cats.

The opposite, sometimes I overestimate the intelligence of their owners.

  :)
Angela St.Aubin - 25 Feb 2005 14:30 GMT
> >>>I dont see a problem with 2 cats sharing one litter box as long as it is
> >>>well taken care of.
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>
>    :)

I suppose you think you are being clever/hurtful?
Did you even read what I wrote, or are you just so sure your opinion is the
only one that you dont even take other peoples opinions or experiences
seriously?
Joe Canuck - 25 Feb 2005 20:48 GMT
>>>>>I dont see a problem with 2 cats sharing one litter box as long as it
>
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>
> I suppose you think you are being clever/hurtful?

The comment was intended to be a joke and NOT intended to be taken
personally by anyone. I also lump myself into the group of owners whose
intelligence I sometimes overestimate.  :)

> Did you even read what I wrote, or are you just so sure your opinion is the
> only one that you dont even take other peoples opinions or experiences
> seriously?

I just don't want to get into a silly argument over differing opinions.
There are as many different opinions as there are people... particulary
when it comes to pet food and what is best.  :)

Hence the breaking out of the occasional "food fight".
Meghan Noecker - 25 Feb 2005 01:06 GMT
>Suppose they both have to go at the same time. Perhaps a rare event, but
>still a possibility.

Not a big deal. I wait to use the bathroom all the time.

>And what if the two cats don't exactly get along, but perhaps tolerate
>each other. One or the other could find themselves either trapped inside
>the box or prevented from using the litter box as the other one does
>guard duty outside.

I can tell you that this happens regardless of how many litter boxes
are in the house. Sometimes, Chase will hear Kira dig and run over to
the box to harass her. Adding boxes will not solve this problem.

>Ah ha, I lied! Third problem... suppose they each use the box within a
>short period of time. Whether clumping or standard litter is used, it
>could get a little messy.

Possible, but probbaly not that bad. The litter clumps pretty quickly,
and I'm sure they can smell where not to step.

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Joe Canuck - 25 Feb 2005 02:05 GMT
>>Suppose they both have to go at the same time. Perhaps a rare event, but
>>still a possibility.
>
> Not a big deal. I wait to use the bathroom all the time.

Do your cats?

And if they do, how do you know they are waiting?

Do they do a little dance on the floor?
Do their eyes go cross-eyed?

  :)
Meghan Noecker - 25 Feb 2005 02:22 GMT
>> Not a big deal. I wait to use the bathroom all the time.
>
>Do your cats?

Yes, though usually because they want me to fix the litter, not
because it is occupied, and that is going to be a longer wait than
somebody else using the box.

>And if they do, how do you know they are waiting?

Chase paces and cries if he is really waiting to go bad. Other times,
he just sits and waits quietly.

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Spot - 24 Feb 2005 00:10 GMT
It depends upon how often you scoop the box and if your other cats will
tolerate the 3rd.  Personally the last time I brought a cat into the house I
put out another box until I was sure everyone was getting along.  Now I have
a huge deep box, use scooping litter and clean it twice a day and all 3 use
it happily.  Now the only time I put out an extra box is if I'm going away
for the weekend.  That way " The Queen" will have a clean box for herself.

Celeste

> We are about to introduce 1 more sweet, all-black kitty to our other two
>   tabbies which have been with us for 7 years.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Alain
Meghan Noecker - 24 Feb 2005 12:23 GMT
>It depends upon how often you scoop the box and if your other cats will
>tolerate the 3rd.  Personally the last time I brought a cat into the house I
>put out another box until I was sure everyone was getting along.  Now I have
>a huge deep box, use scooping litter and clean it twice a day and all 3 use
>it happily.  Now the only time I put out an extra box is if I'm going away
>for the weekend.  That way " The Queen" will have a clean box for herself.

Ah yes. When I go out of town, I always add another box. Even when
they promise to scoop, they never seem to. So, I add an extra box and
fill the litter as deep as I can to make it last as long. I also buy
enough litter that I can completely change out the boxes rather than
scoop them when I get home.

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-L. - 24 Feb 2005 07:40 GMT
> We are about to introduce 1 more sweet, all-black kitty to our other two
>   tabbies which have been with us for 7 years.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Alain

Yes. No more than two cats per box - I recommend one cat per box when I
place cats.

HTH,
-L.
dgk - 24 Feb 2005 15:01 GMT
>We are about to introduce 1 more sweet, all-black kitty to our other two
>  tabbies which have been with us for 7 years.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Alain

I always had one (big) box for two cats. Never had a problem. Now I
have two because I have three cats and Jackie has limited mobility and
can't reach the original easily.

I know that this goes counter to the general trend but I'm betting
that you also only have one for two cats. Yes, get a second one.

Perhaps if two cats really like each other you only need one box?
Barb - 24 Feb 2005 16:29 GMT
I added a sweet little all black 8 week old kitten to my other two sweet
black older cats a couple years ago and just kept the same two litter boxes
with no problem.  I think it depends how much you are around to clean them.
I clean mine after each feeding.  They are on the first floor and the kitten
found them right away when she moved in.  She has had no accidents.

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dragon - 24 Feb 2005 16:55 GMT
For the past 15 years we've had four cats and two litter boxes.  No
problems at all.  In fact, for most of those years, all four cats
shared one big box without any trouble.  We only added the second box
because one cat developed Crohn's Disease (a painful bowel disorder)
and we put a new box out because of all her diarhea.   A lot depends on
your particular cat's personalities.

I would imagine that the two cats who have known each other all this
time might not be excited about a newcomer using *their* box.  Might be
better to put out another for the baby.  Good luck!

dragon
Jim Vecchiola - 24 Feb 2005 19:57 GMT
In my case, I have two cats and THREE litter boxes - and I clean them
every day!

Jim

> We are about to introduce 1 more sweet, all-black kitty to our other two
>   tabbies which have been with us for 7 years.
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>
> Alain

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