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How many cats per litter box?
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A.Pismo Clam - 23 Feb 2005 22:19 GMT We are about to introduce 1 more sweet, all-black kitty to our other two tabbies which have been with us for 7 years.
Do we need another litter box to accommodate the newest, who is about 8 months old and 6lb. 4oz? The other two are about 10 lbs each.
Many thanks for taking the time to respond!
Alain
Joe Canuck - 23 Feb 2005 22:38 GMT > We are about to introduce 1 more sweet, all-black kitty to our other two > tabbies which have been with us for 7 years. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Alain The general rule is one more litter box than the number of cats in the house.
That is... 2 cats = 3 litter boxes, 3 cats = 4 litter boxes.
Whether you need another litter box depends on the number of boxes you now have.
Mary - 23 Feb 2005 22:59 GMT > > We are about to introduce 1 more sweet, all-black kitty to our other two > > tabbies which have been with us for 7 years. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Whether you need another litter box depends on the number of boxes you > now have. We do okay with two boxes for two cats.
kitkat - 23 Feb 2005 23:48 GMT >> We are about to introduce 1 more sweet, all-black kitty to our other >> two tabbies which have been with us for 7 years. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Whether you need another litter box depends on the number of boxes you > now have. Or just trial and error. My 2 cats are fine with 2 litter boxes.
Lucky, Pam
ElvisRocks - 24 Feb 2005 05:53 GMT I had 2 boxes for 2 cats.
>> We are about to introduce 1 more sweet, all-black kitty to our other two >> tabbies which have been with us for 7 years. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Whether you need another litter box depends on the number of boxes you now > have. ElvisRocks - 24 Feb 2005 05:53 GMT p.s. they pee'd in one and pooped in the other!
>> We are about to introduce 1 more sweet, all-black kitty to our other two >> tabbies which have been with us for 7 years. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Whether you need another litter box depends on the number of boxes you now > have. Joe Canuck - 24 Feb 2005 12:06 GMT >> We are about to introduce 1 more sweet, all-black kitty to our other >> two tabbies which have been with us for 7 years. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Whether you need another litter box depends on the number of boxes you > now have. Several of you have posted back something to the effect that "well I have 2 cats and only 2 boxes and it works for me".
Whatever works folks... is the bottom line.
If it stops working (i.e: your cat starts eliminating outside the box), among other things, it is perhaps times to rethink your litter box strategy.
More boxes does mean each box may stay cleaner longer in a multi-cat household. Note I said MAY. That will only happen if they use ALL the boxes on a more or less equal basis.
If you have kittens and a multi-level home you really are best to have a box on each level the kitten has access to... same thing if you have a very large home on one level... more than one box is a good idea for kittens until they mature.
koraky@gmail.com - 23 Feb 2005 22:45 GMT > We are about to introduce 1 more sweet, all-black kitty to our other two > tabbies which have been with us for 7 years. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Alain It depends. I had 3 grown cats on a single litter box. No problems. Some say: number of litterboxes = number of cats + 1.
Meghan Noecker - 24 Feb 2005 12:18 GMT >> We are about to introduce 1 more sweet, all-black kitty to our other >two [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >It depends. I had 3 grown cats on a single litter box. No problems. >Some say: number of litterboxes = number of cats + 1. Until last week, I had one box for 3 cats. I had two boxes before, but they didn't use the one. Back when there were more cats in the house, we had more boxes, but all of my cats are in the basement, so we ended up going down to one box.
With the addition of Jay Jay, I added another box. Four cats on one box seemed a bit much, and Jay Jay is larger. Oddly, he seems to use both boxes, actually started with the smaller box. But the other cats seem to like the larger box more, even though it is in the same spot as the box they never used. So, they seem to prefer a larger box, something I didn't know.
By accident, I discovered I need an extra box upstairs right now. Jay Jay is hesitant to walk through the living room since the dogs hang out there. So, if he is upstairs while I am at work, he will not go downstairs to the kitty litter. He used my mom's clothes a couple nights ago. So, I put a box in the bathtub. He has only used it twice in 3 days, but it's there if he needs it. Once he is comfortable with the dogs, I will take it out.
I just bless him. Other than the one incident when no box was available to him, he used the boxes every time, even with his diarrhea. He's a very good boy.
Oh, I also learned that the larger box is great because I can fill it deeper, and there is more space in the middle, so nothing sticks to the bottom, and very little is stuck to the sides. Scooping is a lot easier with this larger box. All I need is to find better liners. The largest liners are a tad small, so I have the line duct-taped to the box to keep it in place.
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Cathy Friedmann - 24 Feb 2005 00:08 GMT > We are about to introduce 1 more sweet, all-black kitty to our other two > tabbies which have been with us for 7 years. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Alain The "rule" is one litter box per cat, plus one.
Otoh, except for when one of my cats was pooping outside of the box many years ago (& I therefore had 2 cats, with a total of 4 or 5 boxes, in order to solve her problem), I usually have the same number of boxes as I have cats. Right now, 2 cats and one main box, with another box that gets occasional use. Otoh, I scoop the main box out 3 times/day, sometimes more, and it's the biggest litter box I could find.
Considering your cats are medium - largish, I'd have corresponding sized litter boxes. Definitely not little ones. Otherewise, a cat could have all 4 paws in the box, & squat, *assuming* it's peeing/pooping _in_ the box, when in reality the cat's rear is overhanging the box's edge!
Cathy
Meghan Noecker - 24 Feb 2005 12:23 GMT >Considering your cats are medium - largish, I'd have corresponding sized >litter boxes. Definitely not little ones. Otherewise, a cat could have all >4 paws in the box, & squat, *assuming* it's peeing/pooping _in_ the box, >when in reality the cat's rear is overhanging the box's edge! My sister lives next door, but her cat is indoor/outdoor, and they used to live at our house. So, he still comes through during the day. He rarely uses the box since he goes outside. But one day, I saw him, all 4 feet in the box, and his butt hanging over the side. I'll give him credit for trying, but he totally missed the target.
That is why I bought the larger box for Jay Jay. He's even bigger. But he still manages to use the smaller box with no problem, and chooses to use it even with the larger box only 4 feet away.
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Angela St.Aubin - 24 Feb 2005 17:01 GMT I dont see a problem with 2 cats sharing one litter box as long as it is well taken care of. I live in an apartment and there simply isn't anywhere to put a 2nd or 3rd. Although, I would never ever consider having 3 for 2 cats.
Joe Canuck - 24 Feb 2005 18:12 GMT > I dont see a problem with 2 cats sharing one litter box as long as it is > well taken care of. > I live in an apartment and there simply isn't anywhere to put a 2nd or 3rd. > Although, I would never ever consider having 3 for 2 cats. I see two problems with two cats sharing a litter box...
Suppose they both have to go at the same time. Perhaps a rare event, but still a possibility.
And what if the two cats don't exactly get along, but perhaps tolerate each other. One or the other could find themselves either trapped inside the box or prevented from using the litter box as the other one does guard duty outside.
Ah ha, I lied! Third problem... suppose they each use the box within a short period of time. Whether clumping or standard litter is used, it could get a little messy.
Janet B - 24 Feb 2005 18:19 GMT >> I dont see a problem with 2 cats sharing one litter box as long as it is >> well taken care of. >> I live in an apartment and there simply isn't anywhere to put a 2nd or 3rd. >> Although, I would never ever consider having 3 for 2 cats. For many years, I had 2 cats sharing one box. Things change. Cats change, physical issues change. I currently have 3 boxes for 2 cats. 2 are next to each other - "easy flush" litter - each can have their own (and yes, they DO go at the same time sometimes, right next to each other - shared bathroom space!). The other is a crystals filled box that's upstairs. It's probably not necessary, but when we were having some problems for while, it was and it's a nice additional spot for them. they rarely defecate in it - it's mostly for a quick pee break and the crystals absorb it quickly, so it's practically no maintenance.
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tracyrose@gmail.com - 24 Feb 2005 18:19 GMT When I went from one cat to two, we certainly added a 2nd litterbox for the new cat to use. Once both cats were using boxes interchageably and had established their "cat manners" (as in no trapping in the box, no attacking while eating, and mutuall grooming), we cut down to one box - a large uncovered one. It works fine ......
"Suppose they both have to go at the same time. Perhaps a rare event, but still a possibility"
Well, the two humans here only have one bathroom too, but we survive. The same rules apply, I guess. You hold it in or you communicate to express that you really gotta go.
"And what if the two cats don't exactly get along, but perhaps tolerate each other. One or the other could find themselves either trapped inside the box or prevented from using the litter box as the other one does guard duty outside"
That is why you have to add a 2nd box during any cat introduction period. But that sort of behavior is really not acceptable once two cats have gotten to know and accept each other and just doesn't happen. It's like tackling another cat while it's grooming. Bad form.
"Ah ha, I lied! Third problem... suppose they each use the box within a short period of time. Whether clumping or standard litter is used, it could get a little messy"
The box gets cleaned morning and night. Generally each cat has used it once and there are two little balls - generally on opposite sides of the box. Not really all that messy or no more than so than two seperate boxes with once clump in them each!
And what if the two
Angela St.Aubin - 24 Feb 2005 21:51 GMT > > I dont see a problem with 2 cats sharing one litter box as long as it is > > well taken care of. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > short period of time. Whether clumping or standard litter is used, it > could get a little messy. I dont see any of those as problems at all. I wouldn't have two cats that didn't get along to a degree enough for me to feel safe with them sharing. My cats are smart enough to hold it for 10 seconds, and I have in fact seen 2 at one time in there, but I dont know if they were just being silly or both actually going. Again, if you have a smart owner, you would have a big enough litter. Also, the third one isn't an issue at all. I use clumping and clean it at least once a day, usually twice. There is no problem having some extra sh.t or urine in there when they use it again, that's why they bury it. Again, it seems you are underestimating the intelligence of cats.
Joe Canuck - 24 Feb 2005 23:22 GMT >>>I dont see a problem with 2 cats sharing one litter box as long as it is >>>well taken care of. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > or urine in there when they use it again, that's why they bury it. Again, it > seems you are underestimating the intelligence of cats. The opposite, sometimes I overestimate the intelligence of their owners.
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Angela St.Aubin - 25 Feb 2005 14:30 GMT > >>>I dont see a problem with 2 cats sharing one litter box as long as it is > >>>well taken care of. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > :) I suppose you think you are being clever/hurtful? Did you even read what I wrote, or are you just so sure your opinion is the only one that you dont even take other peoples opinions or experiences seriously?
Joe Canuck - 25 Feb 2005 20:48 GMT >>>>>I dont see a problem with 2 cats sharing one litter box as long as it > [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > I suppose you think you are being clever/hurtful? The comment was intended to be a joke and NOT intended to be taken personally by anyone. I also lump myself into the group of owners whose intelligence I sometimes overestimate. :)
> Did you even read what I wrote, or are you just so sure your opinion is the > only one that you dont even take other peoples opinions or experiences > seriously? I just don't want to get into a silly argument over differing opinions. There are as many different opinions as there are people... particulary when it comes to pet food and what is best. :)
Hence the breaking out of the occasional "food fight".
Meghan Noecker - 25 Feb 2005 01:06 GMT >Suppose they both have to go at the same time. Perhaps a rare event, but >still a possibility. Not a big deal. I wait to use the bathroom all the time.
>And what if the two cats don't exactly get along, but perhaps tolerate >each other. One or the other could find themselves either trapped inside >the box or prevented from using the litter box as the other one does >guard duty outside. I can tell you that this happens regardless of how many litter boxes are in the house. Sometimes, Chase will hear Kira dig and run over to the box to harass her. Adding boxes will not solve this problem.
>Ah ha, I lied! Third problem... suppose they each use the box within a >short period of time. Whether clumping or standard litter is used, it >could get a little messy. Possible, but probbaly not that bad. The litter clumps pretty quickly, and I'm sure they can smell where not to step.
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Joe Canuck - 25 Feb 2005 02:05 GMT >>Suppose they both have to go at the same time. Perhaps a rare event, but >>still a possibility. > > Not a big deal. I wait to use the bathroom all the time. Do your cats?
And if they do, how do you know they are waiting?
Do they do a little dance on the floor? Do their eyes go cross-eyed?
:)
Meghan Noecker - 25 Feb 2005 02:22 GMT >> Not a big deal. I wait to use the bathroom all the time. > >Do your cats? Yes, though usually because they want me to fix the litter, not because it is occupied, and that is going to be a longer wait than somebody else using the box.
>And if they do, how do you know they are waiting? Chase paces and cries if he is really waiting to go bad. Other times, he just sits and waits quietly.
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Spot - 24 Feb 2005 00:10 GMT It depends upon how often you scoop the box and if your other cats will tolerate the 3rd. Personally the last time I brought a cat into the house I put out another box until I was sure everyone was getting along. Now I have a huge deep box, use scooping litter and clean it twice a day and all 3 use it happily. Now the only time I put out an extra box is if I'm going away for the weekend. That way " The Queen" will have a clean box for herself.
Celeste
> We are about to introduce 1 more sweet, all-black kitty to our other two > tabbies which have been with us for 7 years. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Alain Meghan Noecker - 24 Feb 2005 12:23 GMT >It depends upon how often you scoop the box and if your other cats will >tolerate the 3rd. Personally the last time I brought a cat into the house I >put out another box until I was sure everyone was getting along. Now I have >a huge deep box, use scooping litter and clean it twice a day and all 3 use >it happily. Now the only time I put out an extra box is if I'm going away >for the weekend. That way " The Queen" will have a clean box for herself. Ah yes. When I go out of town, I always add another box. Even when they promise to scoop, they never seem to. So, I add an extra box and fill the litter as deep as I can to make it last as long. I also buy enough litter that I can completely change out the boxes rather than scoop them when I get home.
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-L. - 24 Feb 2005 07:40 GMT > We are about to introduce 1 more sweet, all-black kitty to our other two > tabbies which have been with us for 7 years. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Alain Yes. No more than two cats per box - I recommend one cat per box when I place cats.
HTH, -L.
dgk - 24 Feb 2005 15:01 GMT >We are about to introduce 1 more sweet, all-black kitty to our other two > tabbies which have been with us for 7 years. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Alain I always had one (big) box for two cats. Never had a problem. Now I have two because I have three cats and Jackie has limited mobility and can't reach the original easily.
I know that this goes counter to the general trend but I'm betting that you also only have one for two cats. Yes, get a second one.
Perhaps if two cats really like each other you only need one box?
Barb - 24 Feb 2005 16:29 GMT I added a sweet little all black 8 week old kitten to my other two sweet black older cats a couple years ago and just kept the same two litter boxes with no problem. I think it depends how much you are around to clean them. I clean mine after each feeding. They are on the first floor and the kitten found them right away when she moved in. She has had no accidents.
-- Barb Of course I don't look busy, I did it right the first time.
dragon - 24 Feb 2005 16:55 GMT For the past 15 years we've had four cats and two litter boxes. No problems at all. In fact, for most of those years, all four cats shared one big box without any trouble. We only added the second box because one cat developed Crohn's Disease (a painful bowel disorder) and we put a new box out because of all her diarhea. A lot depends on your particular cat's personalities.
I would imagine that the two cats who have known each other all this time might not be excited about a newcomer using *their* box. Might be better to put out another for the baby. Good luck!
dragon
Jim Vecchiola - 24 Feb 2005 19:57 GMT In my case, I have two cats and THREE litter boxes - and I clean them every day!
Jim
> We are about to introduce 1 more sweet, all-black kitty to our other two > tabbies which have been with us for 7 years. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Alain
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