Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / September 2005
Does my cat need a behaviorist? a psychiatrist?
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KellyH - 05 Sep 2003 16:47 GMT My cat Bartleby, 3 year-old male, all black, is a strange kitty. He is the alpha-male of my cat family (5 cats total). He is definately the boss of the cats, they let him eat first, if he indicates he wants someone else's toy, he gets it, etc. But with me, he acts like a baby. The baby-like behavior started after my older cat, Dash, passed away, about 9 months ago. Dash was the head of household, even when she was really sick. She really didn't like any of the other cats, but she did seem to kind of like Bartleby.
Bartleby wakes me up every morning by kneading me (with claws extended, ouch!) and nursing on my arm. I've heard of cats that mimick nursing on their humans, but that's usually something they do from kittenhood. He didn't start this until maybe 6 months ago. He used to just do it in the morning, but now he does it any time I'm laying down. He also eats clumps of cat hair. If I'm brushing him, he will grab at the brush to get a clump of hair and eat it. He will also knock over the wastebasket to get the hair. Bartleby also seems to get depressed sometimes. He will go hide in the basement or under the bed and not come out for a while, he just looks down, not himself. He did have a real problem with UTI's, but a change in diet seems to have helped that.
He almost seems to have manic-depressive cycles. He will go from being extremely lovey to being depressed and/or agressive with the other cats. I wish I could talk to him and find out what's wrong, what triggers his down cycles. Has anyone had any luck with a behavioral therapist? I know I could be completely over-analysing things, but, I really do wonder what is up with him. I know some of the individual behaviors don't sound that odd, but if you were around him for a length of time, you would see this cat has issues.
Sorry this got so lengthy. Any insights are appreciated.
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Karen Chuplis - 05 Sep 2003 17:35 GMT He does sound like he is still grieving. So sorry for your loss :( You might consider getting some Feliway and see if it eases his problem. Otherwise, I think only time will do so. Very sad.
Karen
> My cat Bartleby, 3 year-old male, all black, is a strange kitty. He is the > alpha-male of my cat family (5 cats total). He is definately the boss of [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > kelly at farringtons dot net > Check out www.snittens.com Karen M. - 06 Sep 2003 02:53 GMT You might try a veterinary check-up and at least talk to a board certified behaviorist and see what she/he thinks. I'm sorry about Dash, for both you and Bartleby. :(
Karen
> He does sound like he is still grieving. So sorry for your loss :( You > might consider getting some Feliway and see if it eases his problem. [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] >>kelly at farringtons dot net >>Check out www.snittens.com IBen Getiner - 06 Sep 2003 03:57 GMT > My cat Bartleby, 3 year-old male, all black, is a strange kitty. He is the > alpha-male of my cat family (5 cats total). He is definately the boss of [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Sorry this got so lengthy. Any insights are appreciated.
> cycles. Has anyone had any luck with a behavioral therapist? I know I > could be completely over-analysing things, but, I really do wonder what is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Sorry this got so lengthy. Any insights are appreciated. This so-called nursing could be a symptom of something really gone amiss, Kelly. It looks like a case of regression in my opinion, and mental illness could be the possible underlying cause. My cat does it to my wife also, and it really is quite sickening to any normal person. The problem with him is he's been allowed to do it since he was taken from his mother. Now he's quite grown, but he still does it. It's just a dirty little habit. But in you case, he's never done it before, so why let him start now? My advice is... don't tolerate it. Push him away as many times as necessary in order for him to get the idea that you do not approve of his warped little fetish. That's all it really is. It's just like a young person discovering he or she can masterbate. Once started, it can go on for years. It indicates, in any case, that there are serious underlying emotional issues at work. Science has proven that mental illness is present in the animal kingdom as well as in the human. If he is in fact Bi-polar, he could be suffering greatly. I don't know if they make Lithium for cats, but if he continues with these up-down moods, you should find out. He may well indeed be caught up in manic-depressive cycling. And there's usually nothing he (or you) can do to avoid them. If it is Bi-polar, it is a chemical imballance, and it will come and go on it's own schedule. My best friend's only child is Bi-polar, so I've seen the pain an the accompanying confusion it can bring first-hand. If I knew for absolutely certain that my cat was sick with this, I would know exactly what to do, that's for sure. It would be a tender mercy. There are somethings in this world that are worse than death.
IBen
MacCandace - 06 Sep 2003 04:26 GMT << If I knew for absolutely certain that my cat was sick with this, I would know exactly what to do, that's for sure. It would be a tender mercy. There are somethings in this world that are worse than death. >>
It sounds like you're just looking for a reason to kill that poor cat of yours. I don't know why you frequent a cat newsgroup when you obviously dislike cats greatly...as well as women, of course.
Candace (take the litter out before replying by e-mail)
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Knack - 11 Sep 2003 05:35 GMT > << If I knew for > absolutely certain that my cat was sick with this, I would know [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > See my cats: > http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace Huh? I didn't get that impression at all from his thoughtful and well composed reply. He made some interesting points. OTOH, your reply sounds irrational and snippy.
MacCandace - 13 Sep 2003 04:46 GMT << Huh? I didn't get that impression at all from his thoughtful and well composed reply. He made some interesting points. OTOH, your reply sounds irrational and snippy. >>
Whatever. Read my 4 years of history on this newsgroup if you're interested and then read his short but trollish history and see who's irrational.
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Anthony - 28 Sep 2005 23:37 GMT MacCandace, I Havent Even talked to you and i dont like you that was very upsetting what you said to kelly her cat needs help you should go elsewhere to talk about your cats ~Anthony~ P.S. I fell sorry for your Cats!!!!!!!
><< If I knew for >absolutely certain that my cat was sick with this, I would know [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >See my cats: >http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace
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KellyH - 06 Sep 2003 16:51 GMT Not you again! What rock did you crawl out from under?
I am NOT, repeat NOT, going to PTS my cat because he's a little weird. He did have a recent check-up, no blood or urine panels, though, basically a look-see. I think he's just trying to claim me as "his" human. When Dash was around, she was my shadow, so now Bartleby wants that spot. BTW - I don't think his nursing on me is dirty, or a bad behavior. No, I don't encourage it, and I do push him away, but I do not call him bad or yell at him. If I did that, he would think that being lovey with me is wrong. I take his paws off of me (since he kneads with claws extended, another thing I am working on), and nudge his head away, and put a blanket over my arm, and say firmly, not yelling, "No" But I still cuddle with him and pet him, I don't throw him off the bed or anything. Yes, I realize since this really isn't working to stop it, but it's all I can really do until I get to the root of his issues. I'm going to do some more reading on my own, and if I can;t help him myself, I may get a consult from Tufts Vet Hospital.
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> > My cat Bartleby, 3 year-old male, all black, is a strange kitty. He is the > > alpha-male of my cat family (5 cats total). He is definately the boss of [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > > IBen Diane L. Schirf - 06 Sep 2003 17:04 GMT > I am NOT, repeat NOT, going to PTS my cat because he's a little weird. What you describe has sometimes been seen as evidence of being weaned too early. A friend's very mature, picked-up-as-a-stray cat used to do this to one of my softer shirts in particular.
How anyone (not you but the person you responded to) could anthromorphize this into some kind of immoral "warped fetish" boggles the mind. Anthromorphizing is a Bad Thing.
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Anthony - 28 Sep 2005 23:31 GMT Kelly, You dont need a special woh ah you need a cats attention. my cat did the same thing when my elder cat died and it stopped eventually but it took a lot of work and my cat is fine. He is going thorough a stage of grief over the other cat dieing it was probably like his mother/father he was in love and now thats gone such as if your mom died you would be upset to. email me and tell me how everything goes with your cat Bye ~Anthony~ P.S. Shop_Movies@SbcGlobal.Net
>My cat Bartleby, 3 year-old male, all black, is a strange kitty. He is the >alpha-male of my cat family (5 cats total). He is definately the boss of [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >Sorry this got so lengthy. Any insights are appreciated.
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