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Does my cat need a behaviorist? a psychiatrist?

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KellyH - 05 Sep 2003 16:47 GMT
My cat Bartleby, 3 year-old male, all black, is a strange kitty.  He is the
alpha-male of my cat family (5 cats total).  He is definately the boss of
the cats, they let him eat first, if he indicates he wants someone else's
toy, he gets it, etc.  But with me, he acts like a baby.  The baby-like
behavior started after my older cat, Dash, passed away, about 9 months ago.
Dash was the head of household, even when she was really sick.  She really
didn't like any of the other cats, but she did seem to kind of like
Bartleby.

Bartleby wakes me up every morning by kneading me (with claws extended,
ouch!) and nursing on my arm.  I've heard of cats that mimick nursing on
their humans, but that's usually something they do from kittenhood.  He
didn't start this until maybe 6 months ago.  He used to just do it in the
morning, but now he does it any time I'm laying down.  He also eats clumps
of cat hair.  If I'm brushing him, he will grab at the brush to get a clump
of hair and eat it.  He will also knock over the wastebasket to get the
hair.  Bartleby also seems to get depressed sometimes.  He will go hide in
the basement or under the bed and not come out for a while, he just looks
down, not himself.  He did have a real problem with UTI's, but a change in
diet seems to have helped that.

He almost seems to have manic-depressive cycles.  He will go from being
extremely lovey to being depressed and/or agressive with the other cats.  I
wish I could talk to him and find out what's wrong, what triggers his down
cycles.  Has anyone had any luck with a behavioral therapist?  I know I
could be completely over-analysing things, but, I really do wonder what is
up with him.  I know some of the individual behaviors don't sound that odd,
but if you were around him for a length of time, you would see this cat has
issues.

Sorry this got so lengthy.  Any insights are appreciated.

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kelly at farringtons dot net
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Karen Chuplis - 05 Sep 2003 17:35 GMT
He does sound like he is still grieving. So sorry for your loss :(  You
might consider getting some Feliway and see if it eases his problem.
Otherwise, I think only time will do so. Very sad.

Karen

> My cat Bartleby, 3 year-old male, all black, is a strange kitty.  He is the
> alpha-male of my cat family (5 cats total).  He is definately the boss of
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> kelly at farringtons dot net
> Check out www.snittens.com
Karen M. - 06 Sep 2003 02:53 GMT
You might try a veterinary check-up and at least talk to a board
certified behaviorist and see what she/he thinks. I'm sorry about Dash,
for both you and Bartleby. :(

Karen

> He does sound like he is still grieving. So sorry for your loss :(  You
> might consider getting some Feliway and see if it eases his problem.
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>>kelly at farringtons dot net
>>Check out www.snittens.com
IBen Getiner - 06 Sep 2003 03:57 GMT
> My cat Bartleby, 3 year-old male, all black, is a strange kitty.  He is the
> alpha-male of my cat family (5 cats total).  He is definately the boss of
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> Sorry this got so lengthy.  Any insights are appreciated.

> cycles.  Has anyone had any luck with a behavioral therapist?  I know I
> could be completely over-analysing things, but, I really do wonder what is
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> Sorry this got so lengthy.  Any insights are appreciated.

This so-called nursing could be a symptom of something really gone
amiss, Kelly. It looks like a case of regression in my opinion, and
mental illness could be the possible underlying cause. My cat does it
to my wife also, and it really is quite sickening to any normal
person. The problem with him is he's been allowed to do it since he
was taken from his mother. Now he's quite grown, but he still does it.
It's just a dirty little habit.
But in you case, he's never done it before, so why let him start now?
My advice is... don't tolerate it. Push him away as many times as
necessary in order for him to get the idea that you do not approve of
his warped little fetish. That's all it really is. It's just like a
young person discovering he or she can masterbate. Once started, it
can go on for years. It indicates, in any case, that there are serious
underlying emotional issues at work.
Science has proven that mental illness is present in the animal
kingdom as well as in the human. If he is in fact Bi-polar, he could
be suffering greatly. I don't know if they make Lithium for cats, but
if he continues with these up-down moods, you should find out. He may
well indeed be caught up in manic-depressive cycling. And there's
usually nothing he (or you) can do to avoid them. If it is Bi-polar,
it is a chemical imballance, and it will come and go on it's own
schedule.
My best friend's only child is Bi-polar, so I've seen the pain an the
accompanying confusion it can bring first-hand. If I knew for
absolutely certain that my cat was sick with this, I would know
exactly what to do, that's for sure. It would be a tender mercy. There
are somethings in this world that are worse than death.

IBen
MacCandace - 06 Sep 2003 04:26 GMT
<< If I knew for
absolutely certain that my cat was sick with this, I would know
exactly what to do, that's for sure. It would be a tender mercy. There
are somethings in this world that are worse than death. >>

It sounds like you're just looking for a reason to kill that poor cat of yours.
I don't know why you frequent a cat newsgroup when you obviously dislike cats
greatly...as well as women, of course.

Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace
Knack - 11 Sep 2003 05:35 GMT
> << If I knew for
> absolutely certain that my cat was sick with this, I would know
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> See my cats:
> http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

Huh? I didn't get that impression at all from his thoughtful and well
composed reply. He made some interesting points. OTOH, your reply sounds
irrational and snippy.
MacCandace - 13 Sep 2003 04:46 GMT
<< Huh? I didn't get that impression at all from his thoughtful and well
composed reply. He made some interesting points. OTOH, your reply sounds
irrational and snippy. >>

Whatever.  Read my 4 years of history on this newsgroup if you're interested
and then read his short but trollish history and see who's irrational.

Candace
(take the litter out before replying by e-mail)

See my cats:
http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace
Anthony - 28 Sep 2005 23:37 GMT
MacCandace,
                     I Havent Even talked to you and i dont like you that
was very upsetting what you said to kelly her cat needs help you should go
elsewhere to talk about your cats
~Anthony~
P.S.
I fell sorry for your Cats!!!!!!!

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>absolutely certain that my cat was sick with this, I would know
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>See my cats:
>http://photos.yahoo.com/maccandace

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KellyH - 06 Sep 2003 16:51 GMT
Not you again!  What rock did you crawl out from under?

I am NOT, repeat NOT, going to PTS my cat because he's a little weird.  He
did have a recent check-up, no blood or urine panels, though, basically a
look-see.  I think he's just trying to claim me as "his" human.  When Dash
was around, she was my shadow, so now Bartleby wants that spot.  BTW - I
don't think his nursing on me is dirty, or a bad behavior.  No, I don't
encourage it, and I do push him away, but I do not call him bad or yell at
him.  If I did that, he would think that being lovey with me is wrong.  I
take his paws off of me (since he kneads with claws extended, another thing
I am working on), and nudge his head away, and put a blanket over my arm,
and say firmly, not yelling, "No"  But I still cuddle with him and pet him,
I don't throw him off the bed or anything.  Yes, I realize since this really
isn't working to stop it, but it's all I can really do until I get to the
root of his issues.
I'm going to do some more reading on my own, and if I can;t help him myself,
I may get a consult from Tufts Vet Hospital.
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> > My cat Bartleby, 3 year-old male, all black, is a strange kitty.  He is the
> > alpha-male of my cat family (5 cats total).  He is definately the boss of
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> IBen
Diane L. Schirf - 06 Sep 2003 17:04 GMT
> I am NOT, repeat NOT, going to PTS my cat because he's a little weird.

What you describe has sometimes been seen as evidence of being weaned
too early. A friend's very mature, picked-up-as-a-stray cat used to do
this to one of my softer shirts in particular.

How anyone (not you but the person you responded to) could
anthromorphize this into some kind of immoral "warped fetish" boggles
the mind. Anthromorphizing is a Bad Thing.

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Anthony - 28 Sep 2005 23:31 GMT
Kelly,
        You dont need a special woh ah you need a cats attention. my cat did
the same thing when my  elder cat died and it stopped eventually but it took
a  lot of work and my cat is fine. He is going thorough a stage of grief over
the other cat dieing it was probably like his mother/father he was in love
and now thats gone such as if your mom died you would be upset to. email me
and tell me how everything goes with your cat     Bye
                               ~Anthony~
P.S.
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>My cat Bartleby, 3 year-old male, all black, is a strange kitty.  He is the
>alpha-male of my cat family (5 cats total).  He is definately the boss of
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>Sorry this got so lengthy.  Any insights are appreciated.

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