Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / February 2005
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kitkat - 23 Feb 2005 03:59 GMT Jasper has developed a twitch upon his return home. Only when he is laying and starting to fall asleep it seems. But it sure is weird. He twitches kinda all over...you almost think he could have a seizure or something. (please, no.) I called earlier and the specialist said that either he had low blood sugar and to feed him (which we did) or it could be his meds that he is reacting to. It seems he only twitches, as I said, when laying there half asleep. When I fed him before, he kinda sprung up and of course...no twitch. Am I supposed to stay up all night and make sure he eats something when he starts to twitch? ;) Geesh!
FWIW, the meds he is on: Baytril (antibiotic), metronizadole (antibiotic) and dexamethasone (steroid). Oh, and pepcid.
Anyone find this worrisome? My gut reaction is just that his system is still out of whack and he has meds in him and stuff, but im no DVM and wtf do I know?
He also seems to have an issue right now with bowel control. I guess its almost like oozing butt or something. Not even sure he's aware of it.
So, to recap: we spent $1500 to get our cat back with one less claw, a cracked tooth, a twitch, a shaved leg, and an oozing butt. BUT DAMN IM GLAD HE'S HOME! LOL.
Pam :):)
I also REALLY wish I could stay home with him tomorrow...but that's another story altogether. :)
Betsy - 23 Feb 2005 04:28 GMT I'd clarify with the specialist what kind of reaction to what med he is talking about. Metronidazole can cause neurological complications (my cat had them, I thought he was dying!). Don't be afraid to call back and get a clear answer.
> Jasper has developed a twitch upon his return home. Only when he is laying > and starting to fall asleep it seems. But it sure is weird. He twitches [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > I also REALLY wish I could stay home with him tomorrow...but that's > another story altogether. :) Cathy Friedmann - 23 Feb 2005 04:34 GMT > Jasper has developed a twitch upon his return home. Only when he is > laying and starting to fall asleep it seems. But it sure is weird. He [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > FWIW, the meds he is on: Baytril (antibiotic), metronizadole > (antibiotic) and dexamethasone (steroid). Oh, and pepcid. I can virtually guarantee you that if Phil sees this post, he is going to nix the Baytril, in favor of ... oh, cr@p, I can't remember its name! At any rate, another drug that's newer thsan Baytril. (And when my hard drive was reformatted last year, I lost all of the saved info about this kind of stuff.) There was a huge discussion here on rpch+b once, re: Baytril.
Debbie was on it for over 4 years, w/ no apparent probs. And she had frequent full panel blood work done, to keep track of her liver enzymes, her thyroid levels, etc., etc.
Research that was delved into at the time of the discussion showed that only in high doses (beyond the recommened doasge - way beyond, IIRC) was blindness or partial vision loss an adverse effect that may (odds were one in how many? very low, at any rate) occur. Then again, Jasper's virtually blind, so perhaps it's a moot point, no matter if he's on the lower - recommended - dosage, where it's not going to happen, anyway?
It *is* true that Baytril is a strong drug, & is only used when: A) a first line of defense has proven to be ineffective, or B) the case is severe enough to warrant the immediate use of Baytril. Debbie was on amoxicillin first - it didn't help her, whereas Baytril did the trick, re; her liver disease. Same thing with my one of my other cats, Herrie. He was on an antibiotic for a UTI, which didn't clear it up, whereas Baytril did.
> Anyone find this worrisome? The twitching, or the med regimen? If the twitching, I'd keep an eye on him & along w/ the oozing butt syndrome you mention below, keep the vet up to date with his symptoms.
My gut reaction is just that his system is
> still out of whack and he has meds in him and stuff, but im no DVM and > wtf do I know? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I also REALLY wish I could stay home with him tomorrow...but that's > another story altogether. :) As long as your plans are set (or ready to e-mail in to the office to give to a sub), you could take a sick day, or a personal day, I suppose...
Cathy
kitkat - 23 Feb 2005 04:58 GMT > I can virtually guarantee you that if Phil sees this post, he is going to > nix the Baytril, in favor of ... oh, cr@p, I can't remember its name! At > any rate, another drug that's newer thsan Baytril. (And when my hard drive > was reformatted last year, I lost all of the saved info about this kind of > stuff.) There was a huge discussion here on rpch+b once, re: Baytril. This is the time where I have to go with the specialist's medicinal cocktail! ;) Hopefully, Phil wont take any offense.
> Research that was delved into at the time of the discussion showed that only > in high doses (beyond the recommened doasge - way beyond, IIRC) was > blindness or partial vision loss an adverse effect that may (odds were one > in how many? very low, at any rate) occur. Then again, Jasper's virtually > blind, so perhaps it's a moot point, no matter if he's on the lower - > recommended - dosage, where it's not going to happen, anyway? Yeps. Jasper=blind=moot point. :)
>>Anyone find this worrisome? > > The twitching, or the med regimen? If the twitching, I'd keep an eye on him > & along w/ the oozing butt syndrome you mention below, keep the vet up to > date with his symptoms. Mostly the twitching. The meds I expected and the oozing butt syndrome...well...i can't say i expected it but i am not shocked or scared by it. I think with time it will clear up, when his poops become poops once again! It's clearly not some sort of behavioral thing.
As I said, the twitching seems to only happen when he is practically in a state of slumber. And it doesn't seem to have gotten any worse. So I suppose that's good.
>>I also REALLY wish I could stay home with him tomorrow...but that's >>another story altogether. :) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Cathy I used both of my personal days in December for my wedding...and I just took a sick day (for me and Jasper..hehe) on Friday. I really can't take tomorrow off. :(
Pam
Cathy Friedmann - 23 Feb 2005 16:29 GMT > > I can virtually guarantee you that if Phil sees this post, he is going to > > nix the Baytril, in favor of ... oh, cr@p, I can't remember its name! At [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > This is the time where I have to go with the specialist's medicinal > cocktail! ;) Hopefully, Phil wont take any offense. I hope so, too.
> > Research that was delved into at the time of the discussion showed that only > > in high doses (beyond the recommened doasge - way beyond, IIRC) was [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > scared by it. I think with time it will clear up, when his poops become > poops once again! It's clearly not some sort of behavioral thing. I agree, re: the oozing butt bit. About the twitching - too bad we can't have access to the vets' version of the PDR; that would give, in detail, all of the possible adverse effects that are known for each drug. At least I don't *know* of a way to see a copy, unless at the vet's office, if one asks. I don't think public libraries have them, as they do PDRs. At any rate, if he keeps doing it, I'd explain exactly to the vet what you're seeing & ask if it could be an adverse effect to nay othe drugs. IIRC, last night someone posted about one of his meds (ewhich one? - not the Baytril nor the Pepcid) possibly being the cause, in their experience. And, if not drug-related, what could be going on, to cause it?
> As I said, the twitching seems to only happen when he is practically in > a state of slumber. And it doesn't seem to have gotten any worse. So I [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Pam I can see where that's a problem, then. I've had to take a couple of sick days over the years for a cat's illness (or death). Hey, I figure people w/kids get "x" amount of "family" days/year, but people w/ no children are gypped out, so... Plus, those days were taken before the rules for personal days were amended - when one had to be getting married, having a house closing, a court appearance, etc. - no "unspecified" personal days allowed then. Or else have had to drop off the cat at the vets' at 8:00, & wind up going into work a little late, then picking said cat back up after work. Not the best scenario, but not a lot of choice.
Cathy
Phil P. - 24 Feb 2005 06:55 GMT > Jasper has developed a twitch upon his return home. Only when he is > laying and starting to fall asleep it seems. But it sure is weird. He > twitches kinda all over...you almost think he could have a seizure or > something. (please, no.) I called earlier and the specialist said that > either he had low blood sugar and to feed him (which we did) or it could > be his meds that he is reacting to. Metronidazole can cause tremors or other neurological signs. Baytril - even at the 'new' dose can cause ataxia and seizures - but very rarely.
If hypoglycemia is a potential problem, you might want to think about picking up a glucometer to monitor is blood glucose. Urine dipsticks are useless for detecting hypoglycemia - the lowest they go is just negative for urine glucose. You buy an Accu-Chek meter and I'll send you a double box of 100 test strips. How's that?
It seems he only twitches, as I
> said, when laying there half asleep. When I fed him before, he kinda > sprung up and of course...no twitch. Am I supposed to stay up all night > and make sure he eats something when he starts to twitch? ;) Geesh! Did you ever pick up a tube of Nutri-Cal?
> FWIW, the meds he is on: Baytril (antibiotic), metronizadole > (antibiotic) and dexamethasone (steroid). Oh, and pepcid. > > Anyone find this worrisome? My gut reaction is just that his system is > still out of whack and he has meds in him and stuff, but im no DVM and > wtf do I know? Metronidazole & steroid is a standard protocol for IBD. Metronidazole is 'Flagyl' which is used to treat Giardia and anaerobic infections but it also surpresses cell-mediated immune responses in the intestines - which may be why he's not vomiting (?). Its a little hard to tell if he had a self-limiting bout of acute pancreatitis or if he's responding to IBD therapy ;-/ Right now, who cares which - as long as he's stabilized and improving! You probably won't know which until your vet tapers or discontinues the meds.
I'm not a proponent of Baytril - but I'm not sure why he even prescribed *a* fluoroquinolone.
> He also seems to have an issue right now with bowel control. I guess its > almost like oozing butt or something. Not even sure he's aware of it. Metronidazole and Baytril can both cause diarrhea. It might take him a few days to equilibrate the meds and eating again.
> So, to recap: we spent $1500 to get our cat back with one less claw, a > cracked tooth, a twitch, a shaved leg, and an oozing butt. BUT DAMN IM > GLAD HE'S HOME! > LOL. Leaky butt and all! ;-)
> Pam :):) > > I also REALLY wish I could stay home with him tomorrow...but that's > another story altogether. :) Pam, you don't look very well.... better play it safe and call in sick tomorrow..... ;-?
Phil
John Doe - 24 Feb 2005 07:44 GMT >Jasper has developed a twitch upon his return home. Only when he is >laying and starting to fall asleep it seems. But it sure is weird. >He twitches kinda all over...you almost think he could have a >seizure or something. Umm. I think cats, like dogs, sometimes twitch when they are dreaming.
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