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heytud@yahoo.com - 22 Feb 2005 16:34 GMT
Sometimes things don't quite go as planned...

You may remember I posted here a few weeks ago looking for advice about
some adolescent feral cats we've been feeding.  We decided we'd bring
them into the house after they get neutered, at least until they
recover from the procedure.

I contacted some local T-N-R groups for help trapping the cats.  I know
it's busy this time of year, but I was dissappointed to receive only
one response: from an individual volunteer rather than a group.  She
offered help but called on a weekend when I had out-of-town guests, and
then she left on vacation herself.

We decided to go it alone and rented traps Saturday so we could bring
them in Monday (yesterday), since I had the day off work.  We held off
on feeding them Sunday afternoon so they'd be good and hungry.

We set the traps out bright and early.  One of them didn't work at all;
both cats ate out of it without tripping it. The second trap sprung on
one cat (Catenary) but he slipped out before it closed completely and
got away.  It looks like it smacked him on the back on the way out.

I reset the trap and we did manage to catch the other cat (Dirigible)
and get him into the vet.  Catenary was gone all day, nowhere to be
seen; he usually stays very close to the house.  On the way back from
picking up Dirigible at the vet I was concerned to see Catenary around
the corner, out in the middle of the street.  I think he was out
looking for his brother.

Even though neither cat had been in the house before, somehow Catenary
knew we had Dirigible inside; he came and sat right next to the
basement window looking in for some time.  When he saw me at the back
winow of the house, he just ran up there and sat staring at me.

Back inside, we had left Dirigible alone for a while; the vet said not
to feed him for about an hour.  When that hour was up, we went to feed
him and he had disappeared.  I know cats are experts at hiding, but
this guy is a genius!  No visual sign of him since yesterday afternoon
and he didn't even touch the food or litter box overnight.

It seems like separation is a huge stress on the two of them (and us).
I was hoping to trap Catenary this morning and get him into the vet
before work.  Not a chance!  He approached the trap, got his head into
it and appeared to have a flashback.  He leapt straight up into the air
and then tore off as if pursued by demons.

I opened the back end of the trap and left the food there so he might
get accustomed to it a bit.  I guess I'll try again tomorrow and
Thursday if necessary.  After that the vet won't take him until next
Monday.  At least they're about two blocks away, so there's no long car
rides to deal with.
heytud@yahoo.com - 22 Feb 2005 18:17 GMT
And to top it all off,  our neighbors (who have never made any
improvements to their home for the 10 years I've lived here) decided to
put new siding on their garage yesterday and today.  With all the power
tools and hammering, Catenary is afraid to go into his house or
anywhere in our back yard.
KellyH - 22 Feb 2005 21:11 GMT
> And to top it all off,  our neighbors (who have never made any
> improvements to their home for the 10 years I've lived here) decided to
> put new siding on their garage yesterday and today.  With all the power
> tools and hammering, Catenary is afraid to go into his house or
> anywhere in our back yard.

Can you set the traps at night or early morning, when there's no work going
on?
Also, you may want to adjust the sensitivity of the trip plate, and put
newpaper or cardboard in the bottom of the trap so the cat doesn't see the
trip plate and step over it.  Something over the trap like a towel or tarp
helps, too.  The cat sees it as a nice dark hiding place.
I think the one you have inside will come out once you get the other one.
You also may want to set a small handful of dry (if you're using dry food)
in the bowl and count the nuggets, so you can really know if he's eating or
not.

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-Kelly
kelly at farringtons dot net
"Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG

heytud@yahoo.com - 22 Feb 2005 22:01 GMT
> Can you set the traps at night or early morning, when there's no work going
> on?

I just heard from my wife a while ago that the work is done, and he's
back in his house.  Now I just have to keep him from freaking out about
the trap.  We can't get him in to the vet until morning, so I was
trying to trap him at about 6:00.

> Also, you may want to adjust the sensitivity of the trip plate,

There's no adjustment per se, but I did try slightly bending the hook
on the end of the trip linkage so that it will slip off more easily.

> and put
> newpaper or cardboard in the bottom of the trap so the cat doesn't see the
> trip plate and step over it.

I bet that will do the trick.  Despite living outdoors and sleeping in
the engine compartments of our neighbor's derelict vehicles (until I
built the house), these cats are rather fussy about what they'll step
on.

> Something over the trap like a towel or tarp
> helps, too.  The cat sees it as a nice dark hiding place.

We had that going yesterday.  I tried a bigger towel this morning.

> I think the one you have inside will come out once you get the other one.
> You also may want to set a small handful of dry (if you're using dry food)
> in the bowl and count the nuggets, so you can really know if he's eating or
> not.

If it were a simple adoption I'd be less worried, but he's been through
trapping, a ride in a car, anesthesia, blood tests, vaccinations,
surgery, etc. and I just wish we could keep a better eye on him to make
sure he's recovering normally.  Maybe a little mirror on a stick will
help us locate him.
KellyH - 23 Feb 2005 00:53 GMT
> If it were a simple adoption I'd be less worried, but he's been through
> trapping, a ride in a car, anesthesia, blood tests, vaccinations,
> surgery, etc. and I just wish we could keep a better eye on him to make
> sure he's recovering normally.  Maybe a little mirror on a stick will
> help us locate him.

I know what you mean.  I've had fosters that I haven't seen for a week
sometimes, and they are often coming to me fresh from spay/neuter.  I know
I'm stressing them out by pulling out the bed, etc, but I need to know that
they are OK.  Eventually, I'd like to put a couple webcams in the foster
room, if I get back to fostering.

Try some really smelly canned food to lure him out.  Heat it up a little to
enhance the smell.

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"Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG

heytud@yahoo.com - 23 Feb 2005 12:22 GMT
> Try some really smelly canned food to lure him out.  Heat it up a little to
> enhance the smell.

He managed to find a little hole in the wall behind the washing machine
that led into a storage closet under the basement stairs.  Once we
located him, we moved the food closer to him and left him alone
overnight.

This morning all the food was gone, and he had quite obviously found
the litter box.  His poor little bladder must've been ready to burst.

Now I'm off to try catching his brother.  We thought he'd be the easy
one!  Yesterday, my wife actually got him to enter the back door, but
something spooked him and he ran back out.
Mary - 23 Feb 2005 17:10 GMT
> > Try some really smelly canned food to lure him out.  Heat it up a
> little to
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> one!  Yesterday, my wife actually got him to enter the back door, but
> something spooked him and he ran back out.

Best of luck to you. I think you are wonderful for adopting them.
Please post some photos over in alt.binaries.pictures.animals
when things calm down some. We love kitty pics.
heytud@yahoo.com - 23 Feb 2005 18:18 GMT
It only took about a minute to trap Catenary this morning.  I didn't
even walk back to the house before he was inside.  He was at the vet
before 7:00.
KellyH - 23 Feb 2005 18:20 GMT
> It only took about a minute to trap Catenary this morning.  I didn't
> even walk back to the house before he was inside.  He was at the vet
> before 7:00.

Yay!!  Hope everything goes well :)

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"Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG

Karen - 23 Feb 2005 19:48 GMT
> It only took about a minute to trap Catenary this morning.  I didn't
> even walk back to the house before he was inside.  He was at the vet
> before 7:00.

That is WONDERFUL! Made me cry. (I'm kind of in crisis mode right now.) But
really I'm just so happy to hear this. They'll be so happy together when he
comes home. It might take a while, but I bet this will be soooo rewarding.
heytud@yahoo.com - 23 Feb 2005 21:47 GMT
> That is WONDERFUL! Made me cry.

You're not the only one crying...  The vet called and Catenary tested
positive for FeLV.
Karen - 23 Feb 2005 22:13 GMT
>> That is WONDERFUL! Made me cry.
>
> You're not the only one crying...  The vet called and Catenary tested
> positive for FeLV.

Awww. But, you realize that is not an automatic death sentence. I hope more
knowledgeable people post, but with supportive care he may be able to live a
long time. Also, make sure you get him retested as false positives are
possible. I shall continue to hope for the best.
KellyH - 23 Feb 2005 22:49 GMT
> You're not the only one crying...  The vet called and Catenary tested
> positive for FeLV.

Oh no!  Can you have an IFA test run?  I don't know all the specifics, but
it's a more exact test than the snap test.  We have a cat at the shelter
that initially tested positive for FeLV.  A month later, the IFA came back
negative, and her snap test is showing a very very faint positive.  We're
giving it another couple weeks and then retesting.  You may want to start
another thread with this subject to get some more input.

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kelly at farringtons dot net
"Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG

Mary - 23 Feb 2005 22:54 GMT
> > That is WONDERFUL! Made me cry.
>
> You're not the only one crying...  The vet called and Catenary tested
> positive for FeLV.

Oh no.
Rhonda - 24 Feb 2005 03:54 GMT
I don't know much about Felv, but all fingers are crossed for him and
for you.

Rhonda

>>That is WONDERFUL! Made me cry.
>
> You're not the only one crying...  The vet called and Catenary tested
> positive for FeLV.
heytud@yahoo.com - 24 Feb 2005 18:08 GMT
> Best of luck to you. I think you are wonderful for adopting them.
> Please post some photos over in alt.binaries.pictures.animals
> when things calm down some. We love kitty pics.

I put two photos here:

http://www.geocities.com/heytud/cats/

On the FeLV+ front, I guess I just need advice on what to feed them to
give them the best shot.  I've been reading about the other aspects of
managing the infection.  It's a shame we'll have to make them strictly
inside cats.

I know they'll have a better life now than they would've, and we're
preventing spread of the infection, but I'll miss having my little
friends follow me in the yard and wait for me to come home from work.
I'm sure they'll miss climbing trees.

I hope someone else in the neighborhood will make use of the house I
built (shown in the second photo.)
KellyH - 24 Feb 2005 20:02 GMT
> I put two photos here:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/heytud/cats/

Awww.. they are very cute!

> On the FeLV+ front, I guess I just need advice on what to feed them to
> give them the best shot.  I've been reading about the other aspects of
> managing the infection.  It's a shame we'll have to make them strictly
> inside cats.

Honestly, I don't know.  There are others here who know a good deal about
FeLV.

> I know they'll have a better life now than they would've, and we're
> preventing spread of the infection, but I'll miss having my little
> friends follow me in the yard and wait for me to come home from work.
> I'm sure they'll miss climbing trees.

Yes, they will, but they will adapt.  They are much safer inside.

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-Kelly
kelly at farringtons dot net
"Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG

Mary - 25 Feb 2005 02:22 GMT
> > Best of luck to you. I think you are wonderful for adopting them.
> > Please post some photos over in alt.binaries.pictures.animals
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>
> http://www.geocities.com/heytud/cats/

They are lovely!! I love black and white cats.

> On the FeLV+ front, I guess I just need advice on what to feed them to
> give them the best shot.  I've been reading about the other aspects of
> managing the infection.  It's a shame we'll have to make them strictly
> inside cats.

I'm really sorry they were diagnosed with FeLV. I know they will miss
the outdoors at first, but cats are capable of enjoying life all indoors,
I promise you. And you will have them longer. I have never had an FeLV
cat, so I cannot advise you about care.

> I know they'll have a better life now than they would've, and we're
> preventing spread of the infection, but I'll miss having my little
> friends follow me in the yard and wait for me to come home from work.
> I'm sure they'll miss climbing trees.

I wonder if you could get them a cat tree? Do you have a space for one?

> I hope someone else in the neighborhood will make use of the house I
> built (shown in the second photo.)

Pretty neat, to be handy like that.
Jennifer - 22 Feb 2005 20:52 GMT
> When that hour was up, we went to feed
> him and he had disappeared.  I know cats are experts at hiding, but
> this guy is a genius!  No visual sign of him since yesterday afternoon
> and he didn't even touch the food or litter box overnight.

I know you say he hasdn't touched food or water yet, but he will
eventually. You might want to try dusting the floor around the food and
water with flour (put down newspaper or something first if you need
to).

When I first moved my childhood cat from my parents' house into my
apartment, I didn't see her for three days, but she was taking food and
water, and she did use the litter pan.  I may never have found her if I
hadn't come home from work one day to find little gray pawprints
leading from the ashes in the fireplace into the kitchen, to the top of
the kitchen counter near the refrigerator.  She'd wedged herself in
between the bottom of the wall cabinet and the top of the refrigerator,
all the way in the back.  The space couldn't have been more than three
or four inches high, but she managed it! She calmed down after a few
more days.

Maybe the flour trick will work for you.  Good luck :)

--
Jennifer
BuZZard - 23 Feb 2005 20:14 GMT
| Sometimes things don't quite go as planned...
|
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| Monday.  At least they're about two blocks away, so there's no long car
| rides to deal with.

Trapping cats is illegal in 43 states.
heytud@yahoo.com - 23 Feb 2005 22:38 GMT
Over on rec.crafts.brewing, we have a troll named Mister Giggles.  He
can be annoying, but at least he's usually funny.

IOW, go back to troll school.
Tammy - 23 Feb 2005 23:37 GMT
| Over on rec.crafts.brewing, we have a troll named Mister Giggles.  He
| can be annoying, but at least he's usually funny.
|
| IOW, go back to troll school.

Mister Giggles?  Thats like.. pre-shool troolin
equalizer - 23 Feb 2005 23:45 GMT
>| Over on rec.crafts.brewing, we have a troll
>named Mister Giggles.  He
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>
>Mister Giggles?  Thats like.. pre-shool troolin

Yeah, but it's also so blatant that it could be subtle.
BuZZard - 24 Feb 2005 01:22 GMT
| ><heytud@yahoo.com> wrote in message
|
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|
| Yeah, but it's also so blatant that it could be subtle.

*sighs*
you grow boring real fast.
equalizer - 24 Feb 2005 01:39 GMT
>| On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:39:31 -0500, "Tammy"
><no@no.com> wrote:
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>*sighs*
>you grow boring real fast.

Aaaah yes, that old lame! First, you abruptly break off the attack and
then go into this "I spanked you" but I can't prove that I di mode. Now,
you're clearly beaten and about to back out of it altogether with the
above.

so be it, DLTSDHYOTWO

eq
~Erissa~ - 25 Feb 2005 03:47 GMT
> Mister Giggles?  Thats like.. pre-shool troolin

go back to the closet TAmmy before I call your sister and get her to wup
yer a.s again

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BuZZard - 25 Feb 2005 13:55 GMT
| > Mister Giggles?  Thats like.. pre-shool troolin
|
| go back to the closet TAmmy before I call your sister and get her to wup
| yer a.s again

Long Live TammY!

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