Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / March 2005
Better Food For Cats
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Cat Protector - 22 Feb 2005 02:11 GMT After Icarus' bout with a UTI, I decided to change to a food that all the cats can eat. Does anyone know of a relatively decent dry food at a good price which actually has meat in it? I checked out Maxximum which has chicken in it along with the normal ingredients that a lot of the other foods have. I am also looking into the Authority Brand cat food as well. I got small packets of Max Cat by Nutro at the cat show and it seems to be well received by Jade & Icarus but not Isis. I want to get them a food all can eat without a problem. They all get canned food twice a day but I want a good dry food so they can free feed. Any ideas without a food war?
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tracyrose@gmail.com - 22 Feb 2005 03:52 GMT Try Nutro Natural Choice, too. My cats, who deeply disagree on most foods, both like the chicken-flavored kibble ....
Cat Protector - 22 Feb 2005 04:32 GMT Does it have chicken in it?
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> Try Nutro Natural Choice, too. My cats, who deeply disagree on most > foods, both like the chicken-flavored kibble .... tracyrose@gmail.com - 22 Feb 2005 05:20 GMT Yes. Just differentiating it from the seafood of the same brand.
Cat Protector - 22 Feb 2005 05:46 GMT Thanks. I'll look into it tomorrow when I go to Petsmart.
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> Yes. Just differentiating it from the seafood of the same brand. KellyH - 22 Feb 2005 19:29 GMT > Try Nutro Natural Choice, too. My cats, who deeply disagree on most > foods, both like the chicken-flavored kibble .... My cats eat Nutro Natural Choice Weight Management (light blue bag) for dry snacks. Bartleby had a urinary blockage a few years ago, and has been fine since. The cats' main food is canned, but I do allow dry snacks, though not free feeding. You may want to limit the amount of dry they eat.
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Cat Protector - 22 Feb 2005 22:44 GMT I looked around for a better dry food today for my cats. As expensive as they were I found something interesting about a lot of them. It seems plenty of them had ash in them including Nutro and Purina. Max Cat for example which is made by Nutro has 6.5% as the maximum. The Maxximum brand made by Walmart had 7.5% and Purina One was about 7%. I remember reading a topic regarding UTI a while back on this newsgroup and ash was mentioned as being something which is not good for cats despite the cat food companies being safe. I read on a Web Site that the best dry food for cats that had a UTI that the ash content should not be above 6%. It truly makes me wonder how vet's can prescribe Science Diet for cats with a UTI especially since the ash content in it is about 8%.
Another interesting thing I noticed in my own little investigation is that the Special Kitty brand of dry cat food which my cats eat was seemingly better than Purina One, Authority, and Maxximum because it has no ash in it and some of the other crap found in those brands. I know people on here equate store bought brands with junk food for humans but it was rather interesting that one or two of the cheaper brands were better than some of the so-called "super premium" brands. I have decided that I am going to keep giving my cats more of the same canned food while sticking with the same dry for when they wish to free feed. It may be cheap but at least I know they'll be getting a better meal especially with them getting the canned twice a day as opposed to the once per day.
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> My cats eat Nutro Natural Choice Weight Management (light blue bag) for > dry snacks. Bartleby had a urinary blockage a few years ago, and has been > fine since. The cats' main food is canned, but I do allow dry snacks, > though not free feeding. You may want to limit the amount of dry they > eat. zuzu22@webtv.net - 22 Feb 2005 23:56 GMT Ct Protector wrote:
>the Special Kitty brand of dry cat food >which my cats eat was seemingly better >than Purina One, Authority, and >Maxximum because it has no ash in it and >some of the other crap found in those >brands. 1. Special Kitty is the absolute bottom of the barrel of the foods you listed and roadkill would be a better diet.
2. You obviously don't know what ash is, and need to realize that with the Special Kitty it just isn't listed on the bag. http://www.purinaone.com/online_vet_cat_qa_archive_category.asp?category=Ash&Vet Chooser=2
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Steve Crane - 21 Mar 2005 02:34 GMT There is no "ash" in cat food - at least not the way most people think of the word "ash". The term ash - in pet food - means all minerals left over after the food is burned. In other words the kibble is exposed to very high temperatures. All the fats, proteins, moisture, etc all burn off leaving only the unburnable minerals in the food. Primary minerals which add up to the total of ash are calcium, phosphorus, sodium, potassium, magnesium and then all other trace minerals from gold to zinc. "Ash" content of a food is not the primary issue of concern in UTI's in cats. Rather it is the subset of all the ash that is represented by the magnesium level. It is quite possible - and not all that uncommon - for a food to have low ash levels, but still contain too much magnesium. This assumes we are talking about adult cats under age 7 where struvites are the major concern.
I don't know where you got your numbers for Science Diet - from the website calcium - 0.76% Phosphorus - 0.70% sodium - 0.35% Potassium 0.62% magnesium 0.062%
Total - 2.492% Adding the remaining trace minerals from gold to zinc is certainly not going to add another 5.5% ash to the mix.
PawsForThought - 22 Feb 2005 23:29 GMT >> I want to get them a food all can eat without a problem. They all get canned food twice a day but I want a good dry food so they can free feed. Any ideas without a food war?
Personally if they were my cats and one has already experienced urinary tract problems, I would drop the dry food altogether. If you must feed them dry food, you might want to try Felidae which is not too expensive IIRC.
Cat Protector - 22 Feb 2005 23:57 GMT Well all 3 like the dry and they get canned twice a day now. I did not see Felidae at Petsmart when I was over there. It is amazing how expensive the food they are selling is. I want to do the right thing for my cats but not get too hit in the pocket book.
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> Personally if they were my cats and one has already experienced urinary > tract problems, I would drop the dry food altogether. If you must feed > them dry food, you might want to try Felidae which is not too expensive > IIRC. PawsForThought - 23 Feb 2005 13:14 GMT Petsmart is very expensive for everything I've found. Do you have a Pet Supplies Plus in your area? They're less expensive and carry the better foods.
Cat Protector - 23 Feb 2005 17:19 GMT No. Unfortunately all we have is Petco and Petsmart as far as those types of stores go. Both are expensive and seem to be very overpriced for what they sell.
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> Petsmart is very expensive for everything I've found. Do you have a > Pet Supplies Plus in your area? They're less expensive and carry the > better foods. Zathras - 23 Feb 2005 00:40 GMT >Personally if they were my cats and one has already experienced urinary >tract problems, I would drop the dry food altogether. If you must feed >them dry food, you might want to try Felidae which is not too expensive >IIRC. Could someone please explain to me why dry food is bad? AFAIK, the most important thing to prevent this urinary tract disease is to pick a food that is low in magnesium and produces a slightly acidic urine. If a dry food does that, then why is everyone here still advocating feeding canned food only? Has everyone here that has had a cat with urinary tract disease fed it a low Mg, slightly acidic dry food that still caused this? Is the difference between, say, 0.1% and 0.025% that large? Thanks in advance.
Cat Protector - 23 Feb 2005 00:53 GMT I know canned food contains some of the things that cats would need if they were in the wild. A canned food also has more moisture than dry which cats need. I myself feed my cats both dry and canned so they get the nutritional balance. I found it interesting that when I went to look at better foods for my cats, a lot of the more expensive brands had more magnesium and ash than the store bought brands which some here consider lower quality.
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> Could someone please explain to me why dry food is bad? AFAIK, the > most important thing to prevent this urinary tract disease is to pick [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > still caused this? Is the difference between, say, 0.1% and 0.025% > that large? Thanks in advance. Monique Y. Mudama - 23 Feb 2005 04:12 GMT > Could someone please explain to me why dry food is bad? AFAIK, the most > important thing to prevent this urinary tract disease is to pick a food that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > it a low Mg, slightly acidic dry food that still caused this? Is the > difference between, say, 0.1% and 0.025% that large? Thanks in advance. I don't recall acidity being discussed in the canned vs. dry debates, but just about everything else has been. If you search for "wet food" or "dry food" or something on google groups, you'll find hundreds, nay, thousands of posts regarding wet vs. dry food.
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Joe Canuck - 23 Feb 2005 11:54 GMT >>Could someone please explain to me why dry food is bad? AFAIK, the most >>important thing to prevent this urinary tract disease is to pick a food that [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > something on google groups, you'll find hundreds, nay, thousands of posts > regarding wet vs. dry food. Yes, and a lot of misinformation as well.
zuzu22@webtv.net - 23 Feb 2005 04:37 GMT >Could somone please explain to me why >dry food is bad? http://catsincanada.com/articles/feeding.html http://www.catnutrition.org (make sure to read the "open letter to vets")
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PawsForThought - 23 Feb 2005 13:17 GMT >>Could someone please explain to me why dry food is bad? This should explain it: http://www.catinfo.org/zorans_article.pdf
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marriz34@yahoo.com - 19 Mar 2005 08:48 GMT We have been feeding Felidae since we brought out kitten home. After 6 years of this food I had to put both of them down on Monday with kidney and bladder problems. I don't think Felidae is the best food. We fed them both the wet and dry. In a couple of months I will be looking for new kittens this time females. I understand they don't have as severe medical problems all around.
Jean B. - 20 Mar 2005 02:47 GMT > We have been feeding Felidae since we brought out kitten home. After 6 > years of this food I had to put both of them down on Monday with kidney [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > females. I understand they don't have as severe medical problems all > around. What kinds of kidney and bladder problems did your cats develop? What gender/s was/were your cats? What breed(s)?
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marriz - 21 Mar 2005 01:50 GMT They were American short hair and littermates. They were 6+ years and had nothing but the best veterenary care. They were neutered males. One was a black cat and was the most perfect cat I have ever had he always had an even temper. The other was an orange tabby who was his own creature and marched to his own drum. He had allergies very early on and was on Steroids all his life first it would last for three months then at the end every week and it did nothing. He developed multiple skin problems with severe loss of furr. They both weighed 14 pounds and looked in perfect health. That is why this loss is so hard. They had NEVER been outdoors and were very active up and down stairs etc. If you want more infor let me know.
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