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Cat Protector - 22 Feb 2005 02:11 GMT
After Icarus' bout with a UTI, I decided to change to a food that all the
cats can eat. Does anyone know of a relatively decent dry food at a good
price which actually has meat in it? I checked out Maxximum which has
chicken in it along with the normal ingredients that a lot of the other
foods have. I am also looking into the Authority Brand cat food as well. I
got small packets of Max Cat by Nutro at the cat show and it seems to be
well received by Jade & Icarus but not Isis. I want to get them a food all
can eat without a problem. They all get canned food twice a day but I want a
good dry food so they can free feed. Any ideas without a food war?

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tracyrose@gmail.com - 22 Feb 2005 03:52 GMT
Try Nutro Natural Choice, too. My cats, who deeply disagree on most
foods, both like the chicken-flavored kibble ....
Cat Protector - 22 Feb 2005 04:32 GMT
Does it have chicken in it?

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> Try Nutro Natural Choice, too. My cats, who deeply disagree on most
> foods, both like the chicken-flavored kibble ....
tracyrose@gmail.com - 22 Feb 2005 05:20 GMT
Yes. Just differentiating it from the seafood of the same brand.
Cat Protector - 22 Feb 2005 05:46 GMT
Thanks. I'll look into it tomorrow when I go to Petsmart.

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> Yes. Just differentiating it from the seafood of the same brand.
KellyH - 22 Feb 2005 19:29 GMT
> Try Nutro Natural Choice, too. My cats, who deeply disagree on most
> foods, both like the chicken-flavored kibble ....

My cats eat Nutro Natural Choice Weight Management (light blue bag) for dry
snacks.  Bartleby had a urinary blockage a few years ago, and has been fine
since.  The cats' main food is canned, but I do allow dry snacks, though not
free feeding.  You may want to limit the amount of dry they eat.

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Cat Protector - 22 Feb 2005 22:44 GMT
I looked around for a better dry food today for my cats. As expensive as
they were I found something interesting about a lot of them. It seems plenty
of them had ash in them including Nutro and Purina. Max Cat for example
which is made by Nutro has 6.5% as the maximum. The Maxximum brand made by
Walmart had 7.5% and Purina One was about 7%. I remember reading a topic
regarding UTI a while back on this newsgroup and ash was mentioned as being
something which is not good for cats despite the cat food companies being
safe. I read on a Web Site that the best dry food for cats that had a UTI
that the ash content should not be above 6%. It truly makes me wonder how
vet's can prescribe Science Diet for cats with a UTI especially since the
ash content in it is about 8%.

Another interesting thing I noticed in my own little investigation is that
the Special Kitty brand of dry cat food which my cats eat was seemingly
better than Purina One, Authority, and Maxximum because it has no ash in it
and some of the other crap found in those brands. I know people on here
equate store bought brands with junk food for humans but it was rather
interesting that one or two of the cheaper brands were better than some of
the so-called "super premium" brands. I have decided that I am going to keep
giving my cats more of the same canned food while sticking with the same dry
for when they wish to free feed. It may be cheap but at least I know they'll
be getting a better meal especially with them getting the canned twice a day
as opposed to the once per day.

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"KellyH" <Kelly@farringtonsNOSPAM.net> wrote in message

> My cats eat Nutro Natural Choice Weight Management (light blue bag) for
> dry snacks.  Bartleby had a urinary blockage a few years ago, and has been
> fine since.  The cats' main food is canned, but I do allow dry snacks,
> though not free feeding.  You may want to limit the amount of dry they
> eat.
zuzu22@webtv.net - 22 Feb 2005 23:56 GMT
Ct Protector wrote:
>the Special Kitty brand of dry cat food
>which my cats eat was seemingly better
>than Purina One, Authority, and
>Maxximum because it has no ash in it and
>some of the other crap found in those
>brands.
1. Special Kitty is the absolute bottom of the barrel of the foods you
listed and roadkill would be a better diet.

2. You obviously don't know what ash is, and need to realize that with
the Special Kitty it just isn't listed on the bag.
http://www.purinaone.com/online_vet_cat_qa_archive_category.asp?category=Ash&Vet
Chooser=2


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Steve Crane - 21 Mar 2005 02:34 GMT
   There is no "ash" in cat food - at least not the way most people
think of the word "ash". The term ash - in pet food - means all
minerals left over after the food is burned. In other words the kibble
is exposed to very high temperatures. All the fats, proteins, moisture,
etc all burn off leaving only the unburnable minerals in the food.
  Primary minerals which add up to the total of ash are calcium,
phosphorus, sodium, potassium, magnesium and then all other trace
minerals from gold to zinc.
  "Ash" content of a food is not the primary issue of concern in UTI's
in cats. Rather it is the subset of all the ash that is represented by
the magnesium level. It is quite possible - and not all that uncommon -
for a food to have low ash levels, but still contain too much
magnesium. This assumes we are talking about adult cats under age 7
where struvites are the major concern.

  I don't know where you got your numbers for Science Diet - from the
website
calcium - 0.76%
Phosphorus - 0.70%
sodium - 0.35%
Potassium 0.62%
magnesium 0.062%

Total - 2.492% Adding the remaining trace minerals from gold to zinc is
certainly not going to add another 5.5% ash to the mix.
PawsForThought - 22 Feb 2005 23:29 GMT
>> I want to get them a food all
can eat without a problem. They all get canned food twice a day but I
want a
good dry food so they can free feed. Any ideas without a food war?

Personally if they were my cats and one has already experienced urinary
tract problems, I would drop the dry food altogether.  If you must feed
them dry food, you might want to try Felidae which is not too expensive
IIRC.
Cat Protector - 22 Feb 2005 23:57 GMT
Well all 3 like the dry and they get canned twice a day now. I did not see
Felidae at Petsmart when I was over there. It is amazing how expensive the
food they are selling is. I want to do the right thing for my cats but not
get too hit in the pocket book.

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> Personally if they were my cats and one has already experienced urinary
> tract problems, I would drop the dry food altogether.  If you must feed
> them dry food, you might want to try Felidae which is not too expensive
> IIRC.
PawsForThought - 23 Feb 2005 13:14 GMT
Petsmart is very expensive for everything I've found.  Do you have a
Pet Supplies Plus in your area?  They're less expensive and carry the
better foods.
Cat Protector - 23 Feb 2005 17:19 GMT
No. Unfortunately all we have is Petco and Petsmart as far as those types of
stores go. Both are expensive and seem to be very overpriced for what they
sell.

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> Petsmart is very expensive for everything I've found.  Do you have a
> Pet Supplies Plus in your area?  They're less expensive and carry the
> better foods.
Zathras - 23 Feb 2005 00:40 GMT
>Personally if they were my cats and one has already experienced urinary
>tract problems, I would drop the dry food altogether.  If you must feed
>them dry food, you might want to try Felidae which is not too expensive
>IIRC.

Could someone please explain to me why dry food is bad?  AFAIK, the
most important thing to prevent this urinary tract disease is to pick
a food that is low in magnesium and produces a slightly acidic urine.
If a dry food does that, then why is everyone here still advocating
feeding canned food only?  Has everyone here that has had a cat with
urinary tract disease fed it a low Mg, slightly acidic dry food that
still caused this?  Is the difference between, say, 0.1% and 0.025%
that large?  Thanks in advance.
Cat Protector - 23 Feb 2005 00:53 GMT
I know canned food contains some of the things that cats would need if they
were in the wild. A canned food also has more moisture than dry which cats
need. I myself feed my cats both dry and canned so they get the nutritional
balance. I found it interesting that when I went to look at better foods for
my cats, a lot of the more expensive brands had more magnesium and ash than
the store bought brands which some here consider lower quality.

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> Could someone please explain to me why dry food is bad?  AFAIK, the
> most important thing to prevent this urinary tract disease is to pick
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> still caused this?  Is the difference between, say, 0.1% and 0.025%
> that large?  Thanks in advance.
Monique Y. Mudama - 23 Feb 2005 04:12 GMT
> Could someone please explain to me why dry food is bad?  AFAIK, the most
> important thing to prevent this urinary tract disease is to pick a food that
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> it a low Mg, slightly acidic dry food that still caused this?  Is the
> difference between, say, 0.1% and 0.025% that large?  Thanks in advance.

I don't recall acidity being discussed in the canned vs. dry debates, but just
about everything else has been.  If you search for "wet food" or "dry food" or
something on google groups, you'll find hundreds, nay, thousands of posts
regarding wet vs. dry food.

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Joe Canuck - 23 Feb 2005 11:54 GMT
>>Could someone please explain to me why dry food is bad?  AFAIK, the most
>>important thing to prevent this urinary tract disease is to pick a food that
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> something on google groups, you'll find hundreds, nay, thousands of posts
> regarding wet vs. dry food.

Yes, and a lot of misinformation as well.
zuzu22@webtv.net - 23 Feb 2005 04:37 GMT
>Could somone please explain to me why
>dry food is bad?

http://catsincanada.com/articles/feeding.html
http://www.catnutrition.org (make sure to read the "open letter to
vets")

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splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

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PawsForThought - 23 Feb 2005 13:17 GMT
>>Could someone please explain to me why dry food is bad?

This should explain it:  http://www.catinfo.org/zorans_article.pdf

Lauren
marriz34@yahoo.com - 19 Mar 2005 08:48 GMT
We have been feeding Felidae since we brought out kitten home.  After 6
years of this food I had to put both of them down on Monday with kidney
and bladder problems.
I don't think Felidae is the best food.  We fed them both the wet and
dry.
In a couple of months I will be looking for new kittens this time
females.  I understand they don't have as severe medical problems all
around.
Jean B. - 20 Mar 2005 02:47 GMT
> We have been feeding Felidae since we brought out kitten home.  After 6
> years of this food I had to put both of them down on Monday with kidney
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> females.  I understand they don't have as severe medical problems all
> around.

What kinds of kidney and bladder problems did your cats develop?
What gender/s was/were your cats?  What breed(s)?

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marriz - 21 Mar 2005 01:50 GMT
They were American short hair and littermates.  They were 6+ years and
had nothing but the best veterenary care.  They were neutered males.
One was a black cat and was the most perfect cat I have ever had he
always had an even temper.  The other was an orange tabby who was his
own creature and marched to his own drum.  He had allergies very early
on and was on Steroids all his life first it would last for three
months then at the end every week and it did nothing.  He developed
multiple skin problems with severe loss of furr.  They both weighed 14
pounds and looked in perfect health.  That is why this loss is so hard.
They had NEVER been outdoors and were very active up and down stairs
etc.  If you want more infor let me know.
 
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