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KellyH - 17 Feb 2005 22:16 GMT
For those of you who work/volunteer at shelters, what type of software do
you use?  We currently have nothing.  I run the cat database (Access) on my
home computer, and if someone wants to know something, they email or call
me.  I don't even know what the dog people do.  For donor/fundraising, it's
all Excel spreadsheets.
We would like something that puts it all together, and ideally can keep
track of an animal's vetting history, and is multi-user on a network.  We
don't have a network now, but it will be coming.  A bonus would be if it can
be accessed remotely.
We've had one demo that I wasn't impressed with (don't remember the name)
and I've just been asked to evaluate another shelter software.  I downloaded
the demo, but I haven't looked at it yet.  I'm still hung up on the fact
that it costs $5,000 and it's based on MS Access (??!!??)  Access does not
work well in a multi-user setting.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 17 Feb 2005 22:32 GMT
> For those of you who work/volunteer at shelters, what type of software do
> you use?  We currently have nothing.  I run the cat database (Access) on my
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> it's based on MS Access (??!!??)  Access does not work well in a multi-user
> setting.

I'm wondering if you can contract a local s/w developer to build and maintain
a system.

You might want to look around and see if anyone's done shelter software using
open source tools, for example using Postgres or Mysql as the database back
end.  That can save you a lot of money.  I know that Mysql's license is
dependent on something about whether or not you're a business, but I'm not
sure what the license says about non-profits.  Also, both Postgres and Mysql
are much more stable and reliable than Access.

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KellyH - 17 Feb 2005 22:41 GMT
> I'm wondering if you can contract a local s/w developer to build and
> maintain
> a system.

Yeah, like maybe that guy I live with.  My husband is a software engineer.
He's sort-of offered to do it, but he doesn't want to do it for free, he's
kind of stressed at work.  He writes medical testing software, but it's all
MS based stuff (MS SQL, VB.NET, etc)

> You might want to look around and see if anyone's done shelter software
> using
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> Mysql
> are much more stable and reliable than Access.

I did find an Open Source software once, but it wasn't really what I was
looking for.  I think DH put Mysql on our webserver, I have no idea about
the license.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 17 Feb 2005 22:59 GMT
>> I'm wondering if you can contract a local s/w developer to build and
>> maintain a system.
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> kind of stressed at work.  He writes medical testing software, but it's all
> MS based stuff (MS SQL, VB.NET, etc)

I can sympathize with your husband.  I go through cycles.  For a year or so,
I was crazy about writing my own software, fiddling with servers, etc., but
right now I just want to use the tools when I get home.  I deal with enough
weird computer stuff at work.

> I did find an Open Source software once, but it wasn't really what I was
> looking for.  I think DH put Mysql on our webserver, I have no idea about
> the license.

Yeah; I was not necessarily thinking the whole tool had to be open source, but
even if there's a proprietary system that uses open source as a back end, that
will save you money.  Just a thought.

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Cheryl - 18 Feb 2005 01:15 GMT
>> I'm wondering if you can contract a local s/w developer to
>> build and maintain
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> what I was looking for.  I think DH put Mysql on our webserver,
> I have no idea about the license.

There's a program at our shelter that I used to help cleanup when
it got slow, but I can't remember what it was. It's in my email
archives on the other computer, so I'll see if I can find it for
you tomorrow. The problem they had wasn't due to the software, it
was hardware related, so it might be a good solution. They don't
have much money, either, so it must be affordable. It comes with
support, too.

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Joe Canuck - 18 Feb 2005 01:06 GMT
> For those of you who work/volunteer at shelters, what type of software do
> you use?  We currently have nothing.  I run the cat database (Access) on my
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> that it costs $5,000 and it's based on MS Access (??!!??)  Access does not
> work well in a multi-user setting.

Access works fine in a multi-user setting... as long as the setup has
been done correctly.
KellyH - 18 Feb 2005 02:03 GMT
> Access works fine in a multi-user setting... as long as the setup has been
> done correctly.

It's OK, but not ideal.

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Phil P. - 18 Feb 2005 07:52 GMT
> For those of you who work/volunteer at shelters, what type of software do
> you use?  We currently have nothing.  I run the cat database (Access) on my
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> that it costs $5,000 and it's based on MS Access (??!!??)  Access does not
> work well in a multi-user setting.

We used Petwhere for awhile which was pretty good in concept but lousy in
operation so we developed our own along the same principals.  A new an
improved version of Petwhere might be available - free - to nonprofit
shelters from the ASPCA in NYC.  You might want to look into it and give it
a shot.  Its free so you have nothing to lose.

Phil
KellyH - 18 Feb 2005 14:26 GMT
> We used Petwhere for awhile which was pretty good in concept but lousy in
> operation so we developed our own along the same principals.  A new an
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>
> Phil

Thanks!  Free is always good :)
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Kalyahna - 18 Feb 2005 17:02 GMT
> > For those of you who work/volunteer at shelters, what type of software do
> > you use?  We currently have nothing.  I run the cat database (Access) on
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>
> Phil

That's what we're currently using, actually. It was having some pretty major
glitches for awhile, though, so we hunted out another software. I think what
we're going with is called Adopt-a-Friend or something like that. It's not
free, but it's LOADS less expensive than Chameleon, which is apparently a
pretty popular shelter software (but the licensing fees are simply obnoxious
and cost per computer). I didn't see the demo on any of the software we
looked at, though, so I have no idea what the capabilities are.
Phil P. - 18 Feb 2005 19:08 GMT
> > > For those of you who work/volunteer at shelters, what type of software
> do
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> That's what we're currently using, actually. It was having some pretty major
> glitches for awhile, though,

I think the problem is its an old and very slow program that causes newer
and faster computers to crash.  At least that's what I was told.

so we hunted out another software. I think what
> we're going with is called Adopt-a-Friend or something like that. It's not
> free, but it's LOADS less expensive than Chameleon, which is apparently a
> pretty popular shelter software (but the licensing fees are simply obnoxious
> and cost per computer).

The Job Tracker program can be adapted for shelter use very easily and only
costs about $100.  The Case Manager is probably better (and more expensive)
and more complicated.  The program you choose must be easy to use for people
who aren't computer saavy.

I didn't see the demo on any of the software we
> looked at, though, so I have no idea what the capabilities are.

You can download a free demo of Adopt-A-Friend at:

http://www.islandbusinessgroup.com/aafform.htm

http://www.islandbusinessgroup.com/_vti_bin/shtml.dll/aafform.htm

Install the server set up *first* then the Client.

Phil
John Ross Mc Master - 19 Feb 2005 19:01 GMT
Animal Shelter Manager is good, free software.

>For those of you who work/volunteer at shelters, what type of software do
>you use?  We currently have nothing.  I run the cat database (Access) on my
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>that it costs $5,000 and it's based on MS Access (??!!??)  Access does not
>work well in a multi-user setting.
 
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