Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / February 2005
Yet ANOTHER reason to keep your cat in a carrier when traveling!
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zuzu22@webtv.net - 15 Feb 2005 17:51 GMT This all could have been avoided and the poor cat wouldn't have had to suffer such trauma if the owners had taken the simple precaution of keeping their cat in a carrier.
Megan Atlantans rescue Panda, fly him home to Colorado By JEFFRY SCOTT The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Published on: 02/05/05
The story of a cat named Panda who made it through a car crash, the bureaucracy of animal rescue and 36 hours stranded, freezing, on the median of I-285 in Atlanta had a warm, furry ending Friday. Panda was reunited with his owner in Colorado Springs, Colo., apparently having survived his I-285 ordeal better than many Atlanta commuters. Panda is back in the loving arms of his owner, Heli Tanon, after escaping the family car during an accident on I-285 and enduring an icy wait until resolute rescuers reached him.
"He looks good, he really looks good," said Panda's owner, Heli Tanon, by telephone from Colorado Springs. "There's not a scratch on him. I can't believe it." Panda, whose tenacity became a national news story, was met at the Colorado Springs airport Friday afternoon by reporters and a TV crew. The saga started Sunday afternoon, when Heli, his wife and daughter and the cat were driving through Atlanta on their way back from Orlando and their car hit a patch of ice on I-285 near Cascade Road. The car veered into the median wall and was totaled. Heli, wife NicolleTanon and 4-year-old daughter Samantha Urritia were unhurt. But the rear window of the Mitsubishi Mirage was shattered, and Panda jumped out. After calling 911 and determining that nobody was hurt, Heli walked up and down the median looking for Panda but couldn't find him. A motorist stopped and said he had seen a cat run across the highway into the woods. "I thought I'd never see the cat again," Heli said. On Monday morning, Travis Shaw, an East Cobb resident, was driving to the airport when he saw the cat huddled against the median wall. Shaw said he called 911 and was switched to Fulton County Animal Services, only to be told by an operator that they didn't rescue cats, only dogs, unless the cat was injured. "The conversation became heated," he said. "And the operator disconnected me." Shaw called a friend, who called 911 again, and a crew was dispatched but still didn't locate the cat. "We even sent a supervisor out with them," said assistant director for Fulton County Animal Services Susan Feingold, who was stung by criticism that her agency failed to act. "It is our policy to respond to any injured animal that is in imminent danger, which this animal was," she said. Monday night, Travis Shaw talked to his mother, Pattie Shaw, who doubted animal control had found the cat and drove from east Cobb with her daughter looking for it. After driving the stretch of I-285 around Cascade Road "three or four times," she spotted Panda in the median, parked and called 911. Atlanta police responded this time. Officers stopped traffic on I-285 so Shaw could rescue Panda. The cat was wearing a name tag with a pager number. She paged Tanon, and they talked the next day. Panda was soon loaded onto a Delta flight bound for Colorado Springs, his passage paid for by two airline employees. Shaw, a self-described "animal lover," said it was not the first time she had rescued animals from the side of the road and found them homes. "But this is my first experience with an out-of-state cat," she said.
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Karen - 15 Feb 2005 19:33 GMT I didn't see anything about no carrier. Are you sure that the carrier wasn't damaged or flung open in the crash? I agree, it is NOT good to travel without one. I just did not see it indicated for sure here.
> This all could have been avoided and the poor cat wouldn't have had to > suffer such trauma if the owners had taken the simple precaution of [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > > - W.H. Murray CatNipped - 15 Feb 2005 20:03 GMT Sammy goes shopping with me to PetsMart every Saturday (they know her by name now and look forward to seeing her every week - and she loves the sushi bar, aka tropical fish aisle, the fresh fowl display, aka the caged bird aisle, and the meat on the hoof display, aka the mice and hamster aisle - she just can't figure out why I won't let her dine there!!).
Here's a picture of her at PetsMart: http://www.possibleplaces.com/petsmart/
Going to and from, I don't put her in her carrier (the cats associate that with the vet and panic when they have to go in there). I put her in her halter and then I thread the middle seat belt through the halter and click it closed, so she's strapped in just like the rest of us. Personally I think this is even safer than putting them in a carrier if the carrier isn't secured with a seatbelt (the hard plastic ones can't be - there's nowhere to thread the seatbelt through). A loose carrier can not only be bashed about and shaken apart (injuring the animal inside) it can also become a projectile and injure other passengers in the car.
I saw reference to this story in rpca but the person who found it couldn't find the link so only related what they remembered - thanks for the complete story.
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CatNipped
> This all could have been avoided and the poor cat wouldn't have had to > suffer such trauma if the owners had taken the simple precaution of [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > > - W.H. Murray zuzu22@webtv.net - 15 Feb 2005 21:29 GMT >Personally I think this is even safer than >putting them in a carrier if the carrier isn't >secured with a seatbelt (the hard plastic >ones can't be - there's nowhere to thread >the seatbelt through). I secure hard plastic carriers with seatbelts all the time. I simply thread the belt right through the handle and around the carrier. There is also the option of using a bungee cord to secure the carrier to the seatbelt. In an accident, a cat is much safer inside a carrier than out in the open, even if strapped to a seat.
Megan
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- W.H. Murray
CatNipped - 15 Feb 2005 22:20 GMT > >Personally I think this is even safer than >>putting them in a carrier if the carrier isn't [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > seatbelt. In an accident, a cat is much safer inside a carrier than out > in the open, even if strapped to a seat. My seatbelts aren't that long, and a bungee cord is too elastic. If my cat is in a figure eight halter around her chest and neck (with the chest belt being the one used to thread the seatbelt through so she's not choked) and then strapped with a seatbelt that's the equivalent of a person being strapped in with a shoulder harness - quite safe.
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CatNipped
> Megan > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > - W.H. Murray Steve G - 15 Feb 2005 22:54 GMT (...)
> My seatbelts aren't that long, To go thru' the carrying handle? Is your car designed to be used by anorexics only?
Steve.
CatNipped - 16 Feb 2005 00:41 GMT > (...) > > > > My seatbelts aren't that long, > > To go thru' the carrying handle? Is your car designed to be used by > anorexics only? I use a very large carrier (I have two very large cats), and no, the seatbelt doesn't fit through either the air holes on the side of the carrier (too small to allow the buckle through), nor long enough to reach to the top of the carrier and go through the handle.
Even if I used the smaller carrier, I wouldn't buckle it that way either - it would still allow the carrier to shoot forward from the handle and/or the cat inside would be thrown around inside of the carrier to slam against the front. It's much safer to have them restrained with a harness with a seatbelt wovern through the back strap of the harness. Like that they're strapped in just like the people wearing shoulder seatbelt harnesses - the safest way to ride inside a vehicle.
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CatNipped
> Steve. Karen Chuplis - 16 Feb 2005 01:03 GMT >> (...) >>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > CatNipped Maybe you should show Steve just how big Sammy is. I know you showed the link to Petsmart, but get her next to something. And she is not yet 1 year old.
CatNipped - 16 Feb 2005 15:08 GMT >>> (...) >>>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > link to Petsmart, but get her next to something. And she is not yet 1 year > old. OK, here's a picture of her standing with her paws on the top of the bottom window pane. The bottom half of the window is 26 INCHES HIGH (66cm)!!! Sammy's head extends a good 8 inches (20.3cm) above that, and if she extended her paws up over her head that would probably be another 6 inches (15.2cm). That's 40 inches (101.6cm), or 3 1/3 feet that she can reach just by standing and stretching. She can stand on her hind legs in the kitchen and put her front paws on my counter top. This picture was taken when she was 8 months old and small than she is now. She's now over 15 pounds and is only 10 months old - and still growing.
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I'm sorry, but despite everything people have said here, they've yet to convince me that a carrier is safer than a halter and seatbelt arrangement that will *hold her body* still instead of holding her carrier still while her body is being thrown around inside of it. She enjoys sitting next to me in the cab of my truck and is much calmer and more confident by being treated like the person she is rather than an animal that must be caged! ;> She sees us belting ourselves into our seatbelts and sits quietly while we do hers for her.
And Phil, the carrier fear isn't an issue any more since I don't use them any more. I still keep them in my hall closet in case of fire and the need to confine all 4 cats at one time, but other than that they all use the halter and seatbelt arrangement when we travel - to the vet or anywhere else - and they're all *much* happier with those travel arrangements. I think sitting up on the seat like everyone else, being able to see around you at what's going on and what's passing by, is much less scarier than being confined in a plastic box.
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CatNipped
zuzu22@webtv.net - 16 Feb 2005 16:05 GMT >I'm sorry, but despite everything people >have said here, they've yet to convince [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >still while her body is being thrown around >inside of it. A cat wouldn't get "thrown around" in a carrier unless the car is rolling. In your average accident, there is a forward thrust. In a carrier the cat would only move a few inches.
Megan
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"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way."
- W.H. Murray
CatNipped - 16 Feb 2005 18:10 GMT > >I'm sorry, but despite everything people >>have said here, they've yet to convince [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Megan OK, maybe the problem here is communication... Again, my carrier is *BIG*! My cats, who are deathly afraid of being put in there, scrunch themselves are far to the back of the farthest corner of the carrier as they can. Should I stop short they would be thrown about a foot or two forward into the side of the carrier (and then rebound to hit the back of the carrier, and should I be hit from the side they would be thrown 2 or 3 feet into the metal door of the carrier and again rebound. *Definitely* worse than being brought up short by a halter around their bodies.
If you want to transport your cats in carriers, and they are obviously smaller carriers than I have, that's fine - I'm not saying you shouldn't. I'm just saying that I feel my cats are safer being restrained with a halter and seatbelt than they would be in *their* carrier - and they like it *MUCH* better.
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CatNipped
> "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do > nothing." [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > - W.H. Murray Phil P. - 16 Feb 2005 14:25 GMT > > (...) > > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > seatbelt doesn't fit through either the air holes on the side of the carrier > (too small to allow the buckle through), Use a keyhole saw ($3-Home Depot) to enlarge the holes a bit so the *flat* plate end of the seatbelt fits through the hole - not the buckle end.
Phil
Steve G - 17 Feb 2005 00:41 GMT (...)
> I use a very large carrier (I have two very large cats), and no, the > seatbelt doesn't fit through either the air holes on the side of the carrier > (too small to allow the buckle through), nor long enough to reach to the top > of the carrier and go through the handle. OK. You could extend some (rock) climbing accessory cord or tape from the carrier to the seat belt if you wanted to strap the carrier in. But your harness setup sounds OK to me, if I'm picturing it correctly.
Steve.
Brandy?Alexandre - 17 Feb 2005 19:04 GMT Steve G <news@stevethepsycho.co.uk> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
> (...) >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Steve. I was worried the whole way, but driving back to Los Angeles a few weeks ago, Kami spent very little time in the carrier. It was to keep the peace. I had arranged the car the way she decided she liked it when we moved out, but that's not how she wanted it driving back. What can you do? Travel 12 hours with a howling whining cat in a carrier, or let her sleep peacefully in her teepee in the passenger seat? I was painfully aware of what could happen, but the sake of sanity all around, she only went into the carrier when she got "active" and tried to climb around.
 Signature Brandy??Alexandre? http://www.swydm.com/?refer=BrandyAlx Well, would you?
Phil P. - 16 Feb 2005 14:21 GMT > Sammy goes shopping with me to PetsMart every Saturday (they know her by > name now and look forward to seeing her every week - and she loves the sushi [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Going to and from, I don't put her in her carrier (the cats associate that > with the vet and panic when they have to go in there). That's *exactly* why you *should* use the carrier - to break the carrier-vet unpleasant association. If she learns to associate the carrier with pleasant experiences, she won't be so stressed going to the vet - until you get there.
I used the carriers to take my cats to their outside pen (which they can also access from a basement window). They no longer fear the carrier. In fact they hang out and nap in them. Just make sure her last carrier experience is a good one. IOW, after taking her to vet, take her to the store and buy her some treats or a toy or to the park on a harness.
Phil
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