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catbirdgirl@yahoo.com - 15 Feb 2005 06:07 GMT
I have a lovely grey tabby, Buddha-he is about 12 years old, very
energetic and healthy.

However, after being divorced for 5 years, I have a new partner. He's
not opposed to cats, but they aren't his favorite. And he's sort of a
light sleeper, and CANNOT go back to sleep once he's woken all the way
up.

Buddha is insistently trying to sleep on his head, in between us, climb
on us while we are sleeping, and generally being quite a pest! I try
petting him and he won't take petting from me. I try blocking his way
to my sweetie. No go. he takes petting until I drop my guard and relax,
and then he pushes, hard, onto my sweetie's pillow or head or back or
something.

He frequently sleeps with me when I am by myself but he settles down
and doesn't bother me and sleeps most of the night, quietly staying by
my feet or by my head, and rarely waking me. Occasionally he will pat
me, I'll scratch his head, and we will both go back to sleep.

I don't know what to do, and I'm not getting rid of either one of them!
I've never seen my cat act so jealous and territorial!

Please help....quick!
Karen Chuplis - 15 Feb 2005 13:47 GMT
> I have a lovely grey tabby, Buddha-he is about 12 years old, very
> energetic and healthy.
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>
> Please help....quick!

Separate bedrooms? I know lots of people do that for better sleep anyway.
Doesn't mean you can't be intimate. I actually think your cat LIKES your
boyfriend. Wants to be acknowledged by him. If BF would pay attention to
kitty, maybe he would back off a little.
Monique Y. Mudama - 15 Feb 2005 18:20 GMT
> Separate bedrooms? I know lots of people do that for better sleep anyway.
> Doesn't mean you can't be intimate. I actually think your cat LIKES your
> boyfriend. Wants to be acknowledged by him. If BF would pay attention to
> kitty, maybe he would back off a little.

I agree that the cat likes the bf.  Cats don't try that hard to get the
attention of people they *don't* like.

For the longest time, Oscar wouldn't walk on DH in bed, though she'd walk all
over me (joy).  Eventually, though, she started walking on him and even
coming to him for skritches.  Now DH reports that at least once a night, Oscar
jumps up by my feet and walks across to his feet.  DH then makes skritching
motions with his hand and Oscar approaches him to accept her tribute.  It's
their little ritual.  (Every morning, an hour or two before I'm ready to wake
up, Oscar jumps onto the bed next to me and starts revving her purr motor.  I
pet her and give her neck-skritches till she's had enough, at which point she
jumps off the bed and goes wherever.  On the few mornings she doesn't do this,
I miss her.)

Both DH and I are very happy they're getting along so well.  Quite an
adjustment for a cat who's afraid of strangers and a man who originally stated
that he would never be comfortable around cats because he didn't trust them.

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Connie - 15 Feb 2005 19:15 GMT
> I agree that the cat likes the bf.  Cats don't try that hard to get the
> attention of people they *don't* like.

You know - I heard once that in a room of 20 cat lovers, a cat will go to
the *ONE* person who is not a cat lover... I can't remember how or why I
heard that... but it seems true with some of my cats. A few HIDE when we get
ANY company, and others will go and be lovable to the one guy who DISLIKES
(putting it mildly) cats. It has something to do with eye contact, they will
go to the person with the least amount of eye contact because they are less
threatening ( those who love cats are calling them, and looking at them -
those who don't, don't).
Mary - 15 Feb 2005 19:20 GMT
> You know - I heard once that in a room of 20 cat lovers, a cat will go to
> the *ONE* person who is not a cat lover... I can't remember how or why I
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> threatening ( those who love cats are calling them, and looking at them -
> those who don't, don't).

It is in the "cat behavior and psychology" books. When cats like something
or someone they look at it with narrowed eyes. When humans dislike
something or someone they look at it with narrowed eyes. Therefore
cat think people who do not like them, like them, and go right to them.
Monique Y. Mudama - 15 Feb 2005 19:32 GMT
>> I agree that the cat likes the bf.  Cats don't try that hard to get the
>> attention of people they *don't* like.
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> threatening ( those who love cats are calling them, and looking at them -
> those who don't, don't).

Sure, and that doesn't contradict my point.  The cat probably likes the
boyfriend.

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Karen - 15 Feb 2005 19:39 GMT
> > I agree that the cat likes the bf.  Cats don't try that hard to get the
> > attention of people they *don't* like.
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> threatening ( those who love cats are calling them, and looking at them -
> those who don't, don't).

It's known as conversion. Same thing happened with a guy my sister dated in
High School. THe upshot was they finally broke up, but he became a cat
person.
Phil P. - 15 Feb 2005 20:57 GMT
> > I agree that the cat likes the bf.  Cats don't try that hard to get the
> > attention of people they *don't* like.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> threatening ( those who love cats are calling them, and looking at them -
> those who don't, don't).

Exactly!

....and also because a cat hater ignores the cat which allows her to check
out the person in her own good time without him trying to pet or pick her
up.  The cat lovers are usually all over the cat - which can overwhelm her.
The cat hater leaves her alone - which makes her feel more secure.

Cats display the same cautious behavior with any new items in the house.

Phil
Phil P. - 15 Feb 2005 20:47 GMT
> > Separate bedrooms? I know lots of people do that for better sleep anyway.
> > Doesn't mean you can't be intimate. I actually think your cat LIKES your
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> I agree that the cat likes the bf.  Cats don't try that hard to get the
> attention of people they *don't* like.

I'm not so sure about that.   Very often a cat will ignore or actually flee
from all the cat lovers in a group of people and approach and stay near the
one person who doesn't like cats.  I've seen this happen many, many times.

Phil
Monique Y. Mudama - 15 Feb 2005 21:08 GMT
>> I agree that the cat likes the bf.  Cats don't try that hard to get the
>> attention of people they *don't* like.
>
> I'm not so sure about that.   Very often a cat will ignore or actually flee
> from all the cat lovers in a group of people and approach and stay near the
> one person who doesn't like cats.  I've seen this happen many, many times.

There seems to be some form of bizarre dyslexia in the group.  I never said
the bf likes the cat.  I said the cat likes the bf.

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catbirdgirl@yahoo.com - 15 Feb 2005 21:40 GMT
yes, the cat seems to like the bf. the cat generally likes male people
guests. the bf is ticked at the cat.

added oddness- the cat has taken to peeing on the floor in front of the
box. I put a rubber mat down and he's still doing it.he doesn't pee
anyplace else- and in fact I clean the box more now too because the bf
can smell it strongly.

this is preeeetty annoying, folks.

earplugs wont work- the problem is climbing cuddling playing cat.

no 2 bedrooms in the apt.

I'll try the "give him more attention" methods, and play with him
before bedtime, etc.

anything else?
Karen - 15 Feb 2005 22:32 GMT
> yes, the cat seems to like the bf. the cat generally likes male people
> guests. the bf is ticked at the cat.
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>
> anything else?

Can you add a second box? Have you checked the cat out medically. Changes in
living space (adding bf qualifies) can cause stress. (Consider if someone
completely unfamiliar to you moved in one day. It would stress you too.)
which can cause UTIs; but it could indeed be territorial. I'd still try
adding a box.
Phil P. - 15 Feb 2005 21:53 GMT
> >> I agree that the cat likes the bf.  Cats don't try that hard to get the
> >> attention of people they *don't* like.
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> There seems to be some form of bizarre dyslexia in the group.  I never said
> the bf likes the cat.  I said the cat likes the bf.

I know what you said.  The fact that the cat bothers the bf in bed doesn't
necessarily mean the cat likes the bf.  Afterall, the bf is invading the
cat's territory and, in a sense, his relationship with his owner.

Also, the cat may sense the bf's indifference - which may be why the cat is
focusing on him.

Phil
Monique Y. Mudama - 15 Feb 2005 22:06 GMT
>> >> I agree that the cat likes the bf.  Cats don't try that hard to get the
>> >> attention of people they *don't* like.
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> Also, the cat may sense the bf's indifference - which may be why the cat is
> focusing on him.

You may very well be right that the cat doesn't like the bf.  That's just not
the sense I got from the rest of the description of the situation.

My dad has been the recipient of the "you don't like me so I'm going to rub
myself all over you" treatment many a time.  He had to call Oscar my "puppy"
in order to deal with her.  Of course, that didn't stop him from getting on
his hands and knees and playing with her using the new mousie he bought for
her when she was a kitten.  He still asks about that mousie, not understanding
the short lifespan fabric mousies have with kittens ... or the fact that I
accidentally laundered it.

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Phil P. - 15 Feb 2005 22:33 GMT
> >> >> I agree that the cat likes the bf.  Cats don't try that hard to get the
> >> >> attention of people they *don't* like.
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> You may very well be right that the cat doesn't like the bf.  That's just not
> the sense I got from the rest of the description of the situation.

I can understand that since the cat isn't hissing or acting defensive or
aggressive - which is certainly a good sign.   He may just be anxious
because of the huge disruption in his environment and relationship.

> My dad has been the recipient of the "you don't like me so I'm going to rub
> myself all over you" treatment many a time.  He had to call Oscar my "puppy"
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> the short lifespan fabric mousies have with kittens ... or the fact that I
> accidentally laundered it.

My former feral Titi used pee only on my x-wife's (who was not a cat person
due to cultural differences) things; never on mine - unless my x-wife used
the item.  For the longest time I thought my cat was trying to establish an
association with her.  I finally found out that my x-wife was giving Titi
baths when I wasn't home.  I think Titi was just getting even! LOL!

Phil
Mary - 15 Feb 2005 22:37 GMT
> My former feral Titi used pee only on my x-wife's (who was not a cat person
> due to cultural differences) things; never on mine - unless my x-wife used
> the item.  For the longest time I thought my cat was trying to establish an
> association with her.  I finally found out that my x-wife was giving Titi
> baths when I wasn't home.  I think Titi was just getting even! LOL!

Cats DO use elimination as a erm, "communication device."
UTI? Sometimes, and I think a vet check is always in order.
But I have known of many instances where cats were just
miffed and sending a message.
Hodge - 16 Feb 2005 11:10 GMT
> >> I agree that the cat likes the bf.  Cats don't try that hard to get the
> >> attention of people they *don't* like.
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> There seems to be some form of bizarre dyslexia in the group.  I never said
> the bf likes the cat.  I said the cat likes the bf.

I understood your point. :)
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Cheryl - 16 Feb 2005 00:57 GMT
> I'm not so sure about that.   Very often a cat will ignore or
> actually flee from all the cat lovers in a group of people and
> approach and stay near the one person who doesn't like cats.
> I've seen this happen many, many times.

Shamrock hovers around my dad when he's here. My dad isn't exactly a
"hater" but isn't a fan of cats. My mother OTOH, calls and calls him
and he still hovers around my dad, even attempting to jump on his
lap. lol I tell my dad he has to at least acknowledge Shamrock, or
else he'll never leave him alone. :)

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Louise - 16 Feb 2005 20:21 GMT
My Dad was very similiar until the arrival of my Birman kitten tabatha
just over a year ago.  He just thought cats were vermin and shouldn't
be allowed to enter his garden and just really didn't like them.

Tabatha worked on him really hard for several months to bring him
round.  Now when he phones me he always asks how she his and her new
little sister Tiffany.  He even invited us for Christmas.  When it was
time for us to go home he asked if I'd consider leaving one of the
girls with him.  Tabatha really does know how to get what she wants -
soo cleaver.  

Cats definately own thier humans.

Louise
Louise - 16 Feb 2005 20:21 GMT
My Dad was very similiar until the arrival of my Birman kitten tabatha
just over a year ago.  He just thought cats were vermin and shouldn't
be allowed to enter his garden and just really didn't like them.

Tabatha worked on him really hard for several months to bring him
round.  Now when he phones me he always asks how she his and her new
little sister Tiffany.  He even invited us for Christmas.  When it was
time for us to go home he asked if I'd consider leaving one of the
girls with him.  Tabatha really does know how to get what she wants -
soo cleaver.  

Cats definately own thier humans.

Louise
Louise - 16 Feb 2005 20:21 GMT
My Dad was very similiar until the arrival of my Birman kitten tabatha
just over a year ago.  He just thought cats were vermin and shouldn't
be allowed to enter his garden and just really didn't like them.

Tabatha worked on him really hard for several months to bring him
round.  Now when he phones me he always asks how she his and her new
little sister Tiffany.  He even invited us for Christmas.  When it was
time for us to go home he asked if I'd consider leaving one of the
girls with him.  Tabatha really does know how to get what she wants -
soo cleaver.  

Cats definately own thier humans.

Louise
Lesley Madigan - 16 Feb 2005 15:01 GMT
.

> I'm not so sure about that.   Very often a cat will ignore or actually flee
> from all the cat lovers in a group of people and approach and stay near the
> one person who doesn't like cats.  I've seen this happen many, many times.

Explanation according to Desmond Morris in "Catwatching"- I had to
look this up for a friend recently, someone told him that cats
"attack" people who don't like them because they are "evil"

Forgive that I am quoting from memory.

Basically cat walks into room in pursuit of place to snooze. Room
contains one cat hater and an unspecified number of cat lovers. Cat
lovers start:-

Making a lot of noise
Staring
Patting their laps

But this cat wants somewhere quiet to sleep and besides staring is
intimidating to cats. Those people are making too much noise and
patting their laps suggests that if cat gets up there they are going
to make a fuss when all cat wants is a warm lap and some sleep

In the corner sits that cat hater. He/She isn't making a lot of noise,
they're looking away which suits the cat, his/her lap is perfectly
still....

This suits the cat who jumps up......

Apparently, people who are scared of cats (No-one on this list!)
should if they wish to win the approval of cat lovers and hide their
shameful secret, go into overdrive when they see a cat, with the
widest stare, the loudest cries of "Here kitty!" and the most vigorous
lap patting

Lesley

Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Louise - 16 Feb 2005 20:13 GMT
My Dad was a cat hater until I purchased my first Birman kitten
Tabatha, who took a fancy to him straight away.  She just wouldn't take
no for an answer.  Anyway after more thna a year Dad invited us both
and her little sister for Christmas.  When it was time for us to leave
for home Dad asked if I'd consider leaving one of them with him!?

How strange!  Cats are soo cleaver they know just how to work us
humans.  I think that the real intellegent ones actually own us!

Louise - Mother of two delightfull Birmans
Jim Lawton - 15 Feb 2005 14:45 GMT
>I have a lovely grey tabby, Buddha-he is about 12 years old, very
>energetic and healthy.
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>
>Please help....quick!

When I met my SO she had a T-shirt with a cartoon of a guy saying to his woman,
who is nursing a cat on her lap, "Either the cat goes or I do!" - and the cat
has a bubble coming out of its head reading "Goodbye Harry!". So I was never in
any doubt which side my bread was buttered :-)

Jim
Mary - 15 Feb 2005 18:33 GMT
> I have a lovely grey tabby, Buddha-he is about 12 years old, very
> energetic and healthy.
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Please help....quick!

Can you put Buddha in a comfy room (the farthest from your bedroom)
with his box and toys and a nice "nest" of your worn clothes or something
else soft at night? If he cries and you can still hear him, a large HEPA
(maybe $70) filter by your bedside will help drown him out.
Phil P. - 15 Feb 2005 21:45 GMT
> I have a lovely grey tabby, Buddha-he is about 12 years old, very
> energetic and healthy.
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Please help....quick!

Tell your boyfriend to play interactive games with your cat for a few weeks.
Just tell him not to use his bare hands.  Feather lures on a string and pole
and especially laser pointers that he can chase around are good interactive
toys.  If If your cat doesn't want to play with him , you start playing with
the toy and later hand the toy to your boyfriend.

Also let your boyfriend start feeding your cat a few days a week and start
giving him treats.

Phil

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