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4AM Wakeup Horror!!!
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Chamal Panditharatne - 02 Sep 2003 10:34 GMT I have recently got a cat. The cat has a habit of waking up at around 4 or 5AM. The cat also has a habit of waking the household by her insistent scratching and meowing. Does any one here know of a way of stopping her doing this?
Please Help! Chamal
Cat Protector - 02 Sep 2003 10:49 GMT Well does the cat have plenty of food and water. Also, is she spayed? One thing you can do is play with her before going to bed. Also make sure she has plenty of toys as well.
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> I have recently got a cat. The cat has a habit of waking up at around 4 or > 5AM. The cat also has a habit of waking the household by her insistent [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Please Help! > Chamal Woof B - 02 Sep 2003 11:32 GMT >I have recently got a cat. The cat has a habit of waking up at around 4 or >5AM. The cat also has a habit of waking the household by her insistent >scratching and meowing. Does any one here know of a way of stopping her >doing this? The way advocated by most cat books and websites seems to be -- ignore puss and do not reward for making a fuss. From the cat's point of view, she's training her owners to come and pay attention to her. Maybe it's worth checking that nothing is *really* the matter, but then go back to bed and ignore puss. When puss realises she will not get any more attention or food, she will probably eventually give up.
Other things to try are, make sure you're feeding the cat regularly and not on demand (i.e. if you have gone and fed the cat at 4 am to make her stop making a noise, that's giving the wrong impression), and, if you can persuade the cat to play (buy a catnip mouse or just toss rolled-up bits of paper or drag things on strings), make sure there's a scheduled cat-playtime late evening before you go to bed.
If you have a *very stubborn* cat who thinks *she's* training *you*, and has already come to a conclusion that if she gets up at 4 am so will you, it may not work, but cats can be habituated to the human diurnal cycle if they realise that nothing interesting is likely to happen in the early morning (5 am) when wild cats would naturally be hunting.
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Karen Chuplis - 02 Sep 2003 12:38 GMT > I have recently got a cat. The cat has a habit of waking up at around 4 or > 5AM. The cat also has a habit of waking the household by her insistent [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Please Help! > Chamal Can you set up a room with a litter box, bed food and water that when this happens, you put kitty in until you wake up? She will get the idea soon, that if she wants to stay out, she must wait until you are awake.
Karen
Governor George Liquor - 02 Sep 2003 15:50 GMT > I have recently got a cat. The cat has a habit of waking up at around 4 or > 5AM. The cat also has a habit of waking the household by her insistent > scratching and meowing. Does any one here know of a way of stopping her > doing this? Grit your teeth and ignore it. The first two weeks I had Jack, my sleep routine was out of whack, and I would wake up about 4:00, unable to go back to sleep. Jack figured this was wake-up time. When I did get back to sleeping regularly, he got increasingly upset when I wouldn't get up at the "regular": he would climb on the bed and yell in my ear. After a few weeks of frustration, I started ignoring him, and after four or five days, he would leave me alone and go amuse himself until I did get up.
Another tip is to not feed your cat immediately after getting up, but rather, wait until a set, later time. That way, he or she won't directly associate you getting up with feeding, and will be much less inclined to cheat back your wake up call.
-L. - 04 Sep 2003 10:01 GMT > I have recently got a cat. The cat has a habit of waking up at around 4 or > 5AM. The cat also has a habit of waking the household by her insistent [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Please Help! > Chamal get another cat - problem solved.
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Shaz - 05 Sep 2003 17:02 GMT My beautiful kitty, Leia, used to do this when I first got her (she was a stray my brother's dog found in my his garage after her mum and 2 siblings abandoned her [the dog is named Wicket - ok, so there's a story in there somewhere about how she got her name] found her and she was about 4 months old at the time according to the vet) I didn't get much sleep those first few weeks. I kept her in the bathroom the first couple of nights with some food, her litterbox and her kitty bed so she couldn't get into mischief. On the third night, at around 4am I awoke to this incessant meowing and a bang! I went in to see what had happened but I couldn't find her anywhere despite her loudest meows to try and give me some clues. I looked high and low but she'd hidden herself well. Finally, in desperation, I opened one of the bathroom cabinet drawers and there were two little eyes staring out at me. She'd managed to climb up the back of the cabinet and make her way into the drawer and got stuck! So at 4.30am in the morning, I had to get down on my back under the cabinet and rescue her! She never did that again (thank goodness) lol!
She still continued to wake me up around 4am with her nightly dash around the house to make sure everything was secure (I let her sleep out of the bathroom after that) but soon calmed down.
Now, as soon as I get into bed (this was less than 6 months later), she's up onto the sheets (already purring) and waiting for her nightly cuddles (that kitty bed hasn't been used since - except for a while to store her 'stash' of toys under the cushion in the basket which I found (since then, they've been 'stashed' under the TV cabinet and then under the washing machine) so now she hides them somewhere else I'm yet to find). Once our cuddles are over, she'll settle down on top of me to go to sleep (looking at me disdainfully, should I dare to disturb her sleep and decide to turn over). After about an hour or so, she'll shift and go down to sleep by my legs and won't wake up until I do in the morning (if I sleep in, ie past 8am, I'll often get a bap on my nose to wake me up so I can give her more cuddles).
I guess what I'm trying to say is, give your kitty time and it will soon learn when it's time to sleep, ie it will learn to sleep when you do :)
Leia's Diary is at http://members.iinet.net.au/~sharon/
PS Before getting Leia I was definitely a doggie person and hated cats but Leia has made me realise that cats are just as wonderful (if not more so) than dogs!
> I have recently got a cat. The cat has a habit of waking up at around 4 or > 5AM. The cat also has a habit of waking the household by her insistent [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Please Help! > Chamal CarliEntin - 09 Sep 2003 04:00 GMT Wendell does this sometimes. I will get up and play with him for a bit, then just go back to sleep regardless of whether or not he's crying. Most of the time, when I wake up again, he is passed out right beside me. I think he eventually gives up and goes back to bed.
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IBen Getiner - 09 Sep 2003 08:24 GMT > I have recently got a cat. The cat has a habit of waking up at around 4 or > 5AM. The cat also has a habit of waking the household by her insistent [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Please Help! > Chamal First off, unless you've been living on Neptune, you should know that cats are nocturnal (nite creatures). They sleep all day while you work and then they want to play all nite long when you're trying to sleep. If you listen to any of these airheads in this group, they'll try to tell you that you should try to adjust YOUR schedule around the cat. I say NUTS. Understand this..... you're never in a million years going to get this cat to change to your way of living. The only thing you can do that REALLY WORKS is to do as my wife and I have done. Put the cat in a seperate room for the nite so you can get some sleep. I know that these very same airheads here will tell you that this is somehow cruel. But in order to understand this warped thinking, you have to look at them a little closer. First, ask yourself this question: Why would anyone consider this tactic cruel? It has NOTHING to do with cruelty. It has EVERYTHING to do with the attitude "Do As Thou Will". These people do not believe in the old fashioned principles of discipline and sacrifice. To them, saying 'No' to a child (or a pet for that matter) is the unpardonable sin. They are racked with mortal doses of white liberal guilt. It's their type of thinking that has launched this nation down the road from wince their is no return. But that's another issue all together.. The bottom line here, Chamal, is... You have to help yourself. You have turned to us here for that help, but it is you and you alone who hold the power over this situation, and no other. You also have COMPLETE power over your cat, too. Just remember that. Do what we did... Put the cat in a vacant room until you arise. Make sure it has plenty of food and water and the like. And then, go get some sleep. Your cat will be FINE. Look at this situation with your head instead of your heart. Trust IBen. I mean after all... why wouldn't she be fine?
IBen Getiner
Cat Protector - 09 Sep 2003 16:23 GMT Trusting Iben would be your first mistake. Listen to those of us who have experience with cats instead of this person Iben who has none and prefers to terrorize his cat, his wife and this newsgroup because he has issues with anger.
Trust IBen. I mean after all... why
> wouldn't she be fine? > > IBen Getiner IBen Getiner - 10 Sep 2003 06:25 GMT > Trusting Iben would be your first mistake. Listen to those of us who have > experience with cats instead of this person Iben who has none and prefers to > terrorize his cat, his wife and this newsgroup because he has issues with > anger. Oh, yeah....? Well, why don't you just point out to ol' IBen where he errs. I know you'll stab me with your LIES when my back is turned, but now I'm giving you an opportunity to put everybody here right. Come on and step up to the plate, mister girlie-boy. Tell me where I'm wrong..
<The dude's a coward and he knows I'm right. You people will NEVER see him open his quivering trap. He just hates me because he knows I see him for what he really is. A SISSY. You'll see. He'll never point out where I'm wrong.>
> First off, unless you've been living on Neptune, you should know that > cats are nocturnal (nite creatures). They sleep all day while you work [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > IBen Getiner Cat Protector - 10 Sep 2003 06:34 GMT Well you say you care about your cat yet you are pro-declaw. You also threaten anyone who stands up to you and also insist that cats are pack animals when they are not as well as terrorize your own cat. You also seem to think your wife is going to back you up on everything. Need anyone go on with you? Of course you will still be in denial despite what everyone here says.
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> Oh, yeah....? Well, why don't you just point out to ol' IBen where he > errs. I know you'll stab me with your LIES when my back is turned, but [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > > > IBen Getiner Karen Chuplis - 10 Sep 2003 12:29 GMT >> Trusting Iben would be your first mistake. Listen to those of us who have >> experience with cats instead of this person Iben who has none and prefers to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Come on and step up to the plate, mister girlie-boy. Tell me where > I'm wrong.. Every word you type is usually the complete opposite of how one should behave with cats. What's truly sad is I know you *believe* this crap you spew.
Karen
IBen Getiner - 10 Sep 2003 18:41 GMT > >> Trusting Iben would be your first mistake. Listen to those of us who have > >> experience with cats instead of this person Iben who has none and prefers to [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Karen Again, all bun but no meat. WHERE'S THE BEEF?
IBen
Karen Chuplis - 10 Sep 2003 20:19 GMT > > >> Trusting Iben would be your first mistake. Listen to those of us who have > > >> experience with cats instead of this person Iben who has none and prefers to [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > IBen The BEEF is that you are *always* posting WRONG information. Karen
IBen Getiner - 11 Sep 2003 09:43 GMT > > Karen Chuplis <kchuplis@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:<BB847531.28C60%kchuplis@earthlink.net>... [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > The BEEF is that you are *always* posting WRONG information. > Karen Prove it. I give you this sterling opportunity. Where have I posted "WRONG information"? Hahh... I thought as much.....
IBen
Cheryl - 11 Sep 2003 13:25 GMT > > The BEEF is that you are *always* posting WRONG information. > > Karen [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Hahh... I thought as much..... Why? Because she didn't answer you before you finished writing your post?
> IBen ALoser Cat Protector - 10 Sep 2003 18:53 GMT I agree with you Karen. I think no matter what facts we show to prove how one would should take care of a cat, Iben will insist he is right even though the majority here have proven he is wrong.
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> Every word you type is usually the complete opposite of how one should > behave with cats. What's truly sad is I know you *believe* this crap you > spew. > > Karen IBen Getiner - 10 Sep 2003 18:59 GMT > Well you say you care about your cat yet you are pro-declaw. You also > threaten anyone who stands up to you and also insist that cats are pack > animals when they are not as well as terrorize your own cat. You also seem > to think your wife is going to back you up on everything. Need anyone go on > with you? Of course you will still be in denial despite what everyone here > says. Oh, no.... not so fast. I will agree that we differ on those points. What I want to hear from you is what advice In my original post to Chamal is "untrustworthy"? And where in that advice do I say I "terrorize my cat"? This is what you told her (see your lying post below). I thought it was pretty sound advice. Kuisse0002 even agreed with me. Your problem is you love to slander and lie. This should now be quite plain for everyone to see. Answer the questions, sissy-man. Where do you find advice In my original post to Chamal that is "untrustworthy"? And where in that advice do I say I "terrorize my cat"?
"Trusting Iben would be your first mistake. Listen to those of us who have experience with cats instead of this person Iben who has none and prefers to terrorize his cat, his wife and this newsgroup because he has issues with anger".
> Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! > www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > > > > > IBen Getiner Cat Protector - 10 Sep 2003 20:36 GMT Iben you have proven to all of us that you truly are that dumb. All of your posts have proven our case. The problem you have is that you insist on posting the wrong information. Your posts also show that you have terrorized your cat and this newsgroup in order to try to enforce your very false superiority. Time and time again you have stated how you have disciplined your cat through means of terror as well as how your wife backs you on everything. You also state such stupid facts how cats are pack animals and how all your theories will prove how you are right and the world in general is wrong. Iben you do nothing to help anyone here so why even bother posting? I suggest you just leave the group since it seems you post all this crap of yours to get attention.
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> Oh, no.... not so fast. I will agree that we differ on those points. > What I want to hear from you is what advice In my original post to [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > > > > > > > > IBen Getiner IBen Getiner - 11 Sep 2003 10:05 GMT > Iben you have proven to all of us that you truly are that dumb. All of your > posts have proven our case. The problem you have is that you insist on > posting the wrong information. Your posts also show that you have terrorized > your cat and this newsgroup in order to try to enforce your very false > superiority. Answer the charge. After all, you made it... I repeat... "What I want to hear from you is what advice In my original post to Chamal is "untrustworthy"? And where in that advice do I say I "terrorize my cat"? This is what you told her (see your lying post below). I thought it was pretty sound advice. Kuisse0002 even agreed with me".
> Time and time again you have stated how you have disciplined > your cat through means of terror as well as how your wife backs you on > everything. This is a riot! You've GOT to be kidding, right...??! There IS no other way. I mean, really.... what has my WIFE to do with it..??
> You also state such stupid facts how cats are pack animals and > how all your theories will prove how you are right and the world in general > is wrong. Iben you do nothing to help anyone here so why even bother > posting? I suggest you just leave the group since it seems you post all this > crap of yours to get attention. Hahh...!Hahh... Heeeehhh... Heeehh... Heeeeeeeeehh!! .............. Answer the CHARGES, you friggin' pansey. Otherwise, you loose your "bickering with IBen" privileges... PERMANENTLY.
For the last and final time...... "Where do you find advice In my original post to Chamal that is "untrustworthy"? And where in that advice do I say I "terrorize my cat"?
> > Oh, no.... not so fast. I will agree that we differ on those points. > > What I want to hear from you is what advice In my original post to [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > > > > > > > > > > IBen Getiner Cat Protector - 11 Sep 2003 17:16 GMT Answer the charge? Iben you are really dense. A majority of us including myself have backed up our claims about you. The problem is you don't want to see the truth because you are so busy claiming how right you are even though you have been proven wrong. Why can't you just admit you are incorrect about everything? If you are unable, then I have a challenge for you. Leave the newsgroup and never come back.
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> Answer the charge. After all, you made it... I repeat... "What I want > to hear from you is what advice In my original post to Chamal is > "untrustworthy"? And where in that advice do I say I "terrorize my > cat"? This is what you told her (see your lying post below). I thought > it was pretty sound advice. Kuisse0002 even agreed with me". ~*SooZy*~ - 09 Sep 2003 16:38 GMT > > I have recently got a cat. The cat has a habit of waking up at around 4 or > > 5AM. The cat also has a habit of waking the household by her insistent [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > IBen Getiner Iben why do you have a cat?
Cat Protector - 09 Sep 2003 17:03 GMT I think we need to ask why he has both a cat and a wife?
> "IBen Getiner" <lappcatt@msn.com> wrote in message > Iben why do you have a cat? IBen Getiner - 10 Sep 2003 06:27 GMT <snip>
> Iben why do you have a cat? Because he loves me.
IBen
Kuisse0002 - 10 Sep 2003 02:43 GMT >> I have recently got a cat. The cat has a habit of waking up at around 4 or >> 5AM. The cat also has a habit of waking the household by her insistent [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > >IBen Getiner Granted the above post is hitting it hard on the head - but his bottom line answer is fair enough. My suggestion is provided the cat's got plenty of food and water in his meal area, do not encourage the cat whenever he meows for attention. Does he have a pet door to go out if he needs to? maybe you should get a pet door. My cat does the same thing, she would meow at 6am - when dawn breaks and meows whenever she hears my yawning voice in bed - upstairs! I used to get up at once - until I realised she trained me there - that I stopped it and she got the drift. She never meows until I actually physically come downstairs. Her meowing would be so loud and heartbreaking sometimes but you have to draw the line somewhere.
IBen Getiner - 10 Sep 2003 06:40 GMT > >> I have recently got a cat. The cat has a habit of waking up at around 4 or > >> 5AM. The cat also has a habit of waking the household by her insistent [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > downstairs. Her meowing would be so loud and heartbreaking sometimes but you > have to draw the line somewhere. Put his/her litter box in the same room that you leave him/her in overnite. That solves that problem. That's what we do. Secondly, sleep with a roaring box-fan blasting away on you. This covers any noises from the outside world. In the summer, the fan can be pointed at your bed. In the winter you can turn it away and point it at the wall. Regardless, it runs 365 nites per year, and it kills everything. That's what we do. On a lighter note, the fan decided to take a crap one nite in December last year. It was about 2 in the morning and near freezing outside. The problem was, We absoutely cannot sleep without it. We've become so used to it. Anyway, you should have seen the look on the clerk's face at the all-nite Wallmart when I placed the new box-fan on the counter! I know he thought I was on drugs! I tried to explain but he just gave me the one-up eyebrow and handed me my slip. I booked it outta there damned fast before the guys with the butterfly nets showed up. Just thought I'd throw that little tid-bit in from the life and times of Ben Getiner. Take it or leave it, whatever you want to do. I care not one bit personally myself.
IBen
Brandy?Alexandre - 10 Sep 2003 07:12 GMT IBen Getiner <lappcatt@msn.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
> Put his/her litter box in the same room that you leave him/her in > overnite. That solves that problem. That's what we do. Secondly, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > times of Ben Getiner. Take it or leave it, whatever you want to > do. I care not one bit personally myself. I haven't read what started this thread and I'm not sure I want to. I did want to comment, however, on the box fan. I would DIE without mine, as I use for the reasons you state--it muffles the world. Nothing like white noise for a good night's sleep. I've tried those travel noise makers for... traveling, but the pitch is all wrong compared to my fan. Sadly, hotels seem to have made an effort to install SILENT fans and a/c. Can you imagine the nerve?
And, the fan does keep the Kami noise down when she announces a return from the litterbox. If she wasn't bouncing the bed at the same time, I'd never know she left or came back. Luckily, she comes to bed and stays put all night 90% of the time. If I'm home, every second must be spent by my side, so whatever creeping, roaming, or just being weird there is to be done is done during my away hours. Oh, and the fan is also the indicator as to whether I'm really up or not. Some times I get up and go back to bed and she'll stay put, but if I get up and turn off the fan, she knows it's time to start the loud and insistant meowing for breakfast.
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