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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / February 2005Feliway helping on house-soiling?? advice needed.
A year and 5 months ago we got a kitten from a local shelter. From day one it's been unclean, meaning sh.tting and peeing outside the box, mostly this is taking place in the bathroom where he has two boxes. At some point he also started peeing in front of the front door, not very often though, just once in a while :-( Yesterday I noticed that he had done it again and also found that the floorboard underneed the carpet had been affected by it :-( I removed the carpet, cleaned the floor with something called Rodalon, covered the place with plastic and put an easy washable and removable carpet there instead. This morning I caught him peeing there again :-( Other information about him, he is nurtured, a very nice cat, but also a cat who loves to dominate, and a very nervous cat (strange combination). He scares very easily and don't feel comfortable with new people and strange sounds. I've talked to the vet about this but did not get much help there, all they can tell me is that it's a behavior problem and that he has no health problems. My question is would it help on his behavior if I started using Feliway plug-in room diffuser??? Any help or suggestion is welcome and appreciated...  SignatureFlemming WEll, first, yeah, a feliway diffuser might help him in several ways BUT, have you had a vet check? This type of behaviour is fairly unusual in cats who are naturally pretty fastidious. If he is neutered, he *really* should not be so dominating. I think we need more info. > A year and 5 months ago we got a kitten from a local shelter. From day > one it's been unclean, meaning sh.tting and peeing outside the box, [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Any help or suggestion is welcome and appreciated... Hi, >WEll, first, yeah, a feliway diffuser might help him in several ways BUT, >have you had a vet check? This type of behaviour is fairly unusual in cats >who are naturally pretty fastidious. If he is neutered, he *really* should >not be so dominating. I think we need more info. Yes, he has been checked at the vet, the could find nothing wrong with him. I was just told that it has to be behavior problems and stress related. As he was not being clean from the minute he entered the home I called the shelter where we got him to ask what sand they used, they used the same as I did, so that should not be a problem. IMHO the problems started because he was moved, and was moved from a shelter with lots of cats to a flat where he was the only cat. The problem with peeing at the front door I'm pretty sure started because of a neighbors cat who always used to come around at scratch at our door. Apart from wanting to pee at the front door this morning, and making the big thing on the bathroom floor, he peed in the box both yesterday evening and this afternoon. He is a very nice cat, and it does not bother me a lot that he ppoops on the bathroom floor, but I really want to get him to stop peeing at the front door. thank you for the help, SignatureFlemming > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > thank you for the help, Well, #1 really clean well all the spots he has gone with an enzymatic cleaner like Nature's Miracle. I mean REALLY well. And I would get a couple of Feliway diffusers (cheaper by far online. Try valleyvet.com or the petguys.com) Feliway should also help with stress (it's main function anyway.) Does he have a cat tree by a window and toys for stimulous? I would also try leaving a radio on when you are gone. And if he is so social, consider adopting a buddy for him. Two cats are not much more, if any, trouble than two. -> "FLEMMING" <CULTUREno-spam@POST.CYBERCITY.DK> wrote in message -> news:inv401tuke6i3ccjfps3miupibkn75japg@4ax.com... -> > -> > Hi, -> > -> > >WEll, first, yeah, a feliway diffuser might help him in several ways BUT, -> > >have you had a vet check? This type of behaviour is fairly unusual in -> cats -> > >who are naturally pretty fastidious. If he is neutered, he *really* -> should -> > >not be so dominating. I think we need more info. -> > -> > -> > Yes, he has been checked at the vet, the could find nothing wrong with -> > him. I was just told that it has to be behavior problems and stress -> > related. -> > -> > As he was not being clean from the minute he entered the home I called -> > the shelter where we got him to ask what sand they used, they used the -> > same as I did, so that should not be a problem. -> > -> > IMHO the problems started because he was moved, and was moved from a -> > shelter with lots of cats to a flat where he was the only cat. The -> > problem with peeing at the front door I'm pretty sure started because -> > of a neighbors cat who always used to come around at scratch at our -> > door. -> > -> > Apart from wanting to pee at the front door this morning, and making -> > the big thing on the bathroom floor, he peed in the box both yesterday -> > evening and this afternoon. -> > -> > He is a very nice cat, and it does not bother me a lot that he ppoops -> > on the bathroom floor, but I really want to get him to stop peeing at -> > the front door. -> > -> > thank you for the help, -> > -- -> > Flemming -> -> -> Well, #1 really clean well all the spots he has gone with an enzymatic -> cleaner like Nature's Miracle. I mean REALLY well. And I would get a couple -> of Feliway diffusers (cheaper by far online. Try valleyvet.com or the -> petguys.com) Feliway should also help with stress (it's main function -> anyway.) Does he have a cat tree by a window and toys for stimulous? I would -> also try leaving a radio on when you are gone. And if he is so social, -> consider adopting a buddy for him. Two cats are not much more, if any, -> trouble than two. I found them the cheapest at upco.com, but haven't received them yet, so I can't comment on upco's service. I'm expecting them any day now. Signature8^)~~~ Sue (remove the x to e-mail) ~~~~~~ "I reserve the absolute right to be smarter today than I was yesterday." -Adlai Stevenson http://www.suzanne-eckhardt.com/ ***Revelation 22:12*** ICQ: 349878998 http://www.intergnat.com/malebashing/ -> In article <qYOdnYRuy_z1BJ_fRVn-jQ@giganews.com>, -> "Karen" <kchuplis@nospamalltel.net> wrote: -> -> -> "FLEMMING" <CULTUREno-spam@POST.CYBERCITY.DK> wrote in message -> -> news:inv401tuke6i3ccjfps3miupibkn75japg@4ax.com... -> -> > -> -> > Hi, -> -> > -> -> > >WEll, first, yeah, a feliway diffuser might help him in several ways -> BUT, -> -> > >have you had a vet check? This type of behaviour is fairly unusual in -> -> cats -> -> > >who are naturally pretty fastidious. If he is neutered, he *really* -> -> should -> -> > >not be so dominating. I think we need more info. -> -> > -> -> > -> -> > Yes, he has been checked at the vet, the could find nothing wrong with -> -> > him. I was just told that it has to be behavior problems and stress -> -> > related. -> -> > -> -> > As he was not being clean from the minute he entered the home I called -> -> > the shelter where we got him to ask what sand they used, they used the -> -> > same as I did, so that should not be a problem. -> -> > -> -> > IMHO the problems started because he was moved, and was moved from a -> -> > shelter with lots of cats to a flat where he was the only cat. The -> -> > problem with peeing at the front door I'm pretty sure started because -> -> > of a neighbors cat who always used to come around at scratch at our -> -> > door. -> -> > -> -> > Apart from wanting to pee at the front door this morning, and making -> -> > the big thing on the bathroom floor, he peed in the box both yesterday -> -> > evening and this afternoon. -> -> > -> -> > He is a very nice cat, and it does not bother me a lot that he ppoops -> -> > on the bathroom floor, but I really want to get him to stop peeing at -> -> > the front door. -> -> > -> -> > thank you for the help, -> -> > -- -> -> > Flemming -> -> -> -> -> -> Well, #1 really clean well all the spots he has gone with an enzymatic -> -> cleaner like Nature's Miracle. I mean REALLY well. And I would get a -> couple -> -> of Feliway diffusers (cheaper by far online. Try valleyvet.com or the -> -> petguys.com) Feliway should also help with stress (it's main function -> -> anyway.) Does he have a cat tree by a window and toys for stimulous? I -> would -> -> also try leaving a radio on when you are gone. And if he is so social, -> -> consider adopting a buddy for him. Two cats are not much more, if any, -> -> trouble than two. -> -> -> I found them the cheapest at upco.com, but haven't received them yet, so -> I can't comment on upco's service. I'm expecting them any day now. Got the package from upco.com today. I'm very pleased with both their prices and service. Just thought I'd share. Signature8^)~~~ Sue (remove the x to e-mail) ~~~~~~ "I reserve the absolute right to be smarter today than I was yesterday." -Adlai Stevenson http://www.suzanne-eckhardt.com/ ***Revelation 22:12*** ICQ: 349878998 http://www.intergnat.com/malebashing/ On Thu 03 Feb 2005 04:42:45p, Karen wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav (news:qYOdnYRuy_z1BJ_fRVn- jQ@giganews.com): > Try valleyvet.com or the > petguys.com) I'm glad you reminded me of valleyvet.com. I just found (and ordered) 2 of those Tattle Tale alarms from there. Good sale price, and free shipping! I sort of skimmed that thread, but now Rhett has started jumping on the counters (yes, he finally got big enough lol) and the counter he likes is the one right next to the stove. He doesn't listen to "NO" yet, though I keep trying, and tell him "NO" when I put him down on the floor. Gotta nip this one in the bud. SignatureCheryl >> Try valleyvet.com or the petguys.com) > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > keep trying, and tell him "NO" when I put him down on the floor. Gotta nip > this one in the bud. Dare I ask what would happen if I put a Tattle Tale alarm in a frequently-used room, particularly on a counter in which the sink and therefore the garbage disposal are installed? After four years of being blissfully unaware of counters, Oscar two days ago decided they're the best thing, ever =/ Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > Dare I ask what would happen if I put a Tattle Tale alarm in a > frequently-used room, particularly on a counter in which the > sink and therefore the garbage disposal are installed? I don't plan to have it on when I'm in the kitchen. > After four years of being blissfully unaware of counters, Oscar > two days ago decided they're the best thing, ever =/ Bummer dudette. SignatureCheryl Hi, >Well, #1 really clean well all the spots he has gone with an enzymatic >cleaner like Nature's Miracle. I mean REALLY well. That I've already done *S* > And I would get a couple of Feliway diffusers (cheaper by far online. I'ii try to look into it *S* > Does he have a cat tree by a window and toys for stimulous? He has a tree, and we'me made lace in the windows so that he can sit and look out *S* >also try leaving a radio on when you are gone. He is never alone for long, a lot of days not at all. > And if he is so social, consider adopting a buddy for him. Two cats are not much more, if any, > trouble than two. we would love to get another cat, but am only alowed to have one where we live, some people have been thrown out for having two so I'm not sure it's possible. SignatureFlemming Some advice here re house soiling problems http://www.apbc.org.uk/article10.htm Alison:) > A year and 5 months ago we got a kitten from a local shelter. From day > one it's been unclean, meaning sh.tting and peeing outside the box, [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Any help or suggestion is welcome and appreciated... >Some advice here re house soiling problems >http://www.apbc.org.uk/article10.htm Thank you :-) SignatureFlemming My guess would be that the cat is unhappy about something. Have you tried moving the litterboxes to a different room? Maybe he doesn't like them where they are? Is he on his own all day? It's possible that he's lonely and would benefit from the company of another young cat. It's hard to tell from an Internet posting, but I'm pretty sure the cat is protesting something about his current living conditions. Try to brainstorm a bit about what might be bothering him and maybe after trying a few different things you can hit on the right variable. This is all assuming that you didn't declaw the cat. If you did, then litterbox problems are to be expected, but hopefully that's not the case here. > Have you tried moving the litterboxes to a different room? Maybe he doesn't like >them where they are? He has 4 litterboxes, put in 4 different rooms. > Is he on his own all day? It's possible that he's >lonely and would benefit from the company of another young cat. No, he is not alone very much, most days not at all. > It's hard to tell from an Internet posting, but I'm pretty sure the cat is >protesting something about his current living conditions. Could be right, but for me it looks like: 1. He was a bit stressed about moving. 2. it got to be a habit. 3. He hates the litterbox. > Try to >brainstorm a bit about what might be bothering him and maybe after >trying a few different things you can hit on the right variable. I have done it quite a lot. > This is all assuming that you didn't declaw the cat. If you did, then >litterbox problems are to be expected, but hopefully that's not the >case here. Well, I live in Denmark, and it's forbidden to declaw cats here *S* It surprises me a bit that he did use the box twice yesterday *S* as he normally always tend to pee in the bathtub, but yesterday he did not do that at all.... BTW did I say that the first time he peed at the front door was when he was getting in heat (before he got nurtured) and that it happened because a neighbors cat always coming and scratching at the door. Before that he only had his mistakes in the bathroom, poop like 10-15 cm from the litterbox and pee in the drain of the bathtub... SignatureFlemming > BTW did I say that the first time he peed at the front door was when > he was getting in heat (before he got nurtured) I'm not picking on your English or typing, as the case may be, but "nurtured" for "neutered" is pretty dang cute. :D Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/pages/hodge.html >I'm not picking on your English or typing, as the case may be, but >"nurtured" for "neutered" is pretty dang cute. :D Well, mistakes happen when you use a spell checker and do not check the words it suggest *GG* Anyway things are working pretty well here :-) since I put a box next to the frontdoor there has been no mistakes, and he is now using his boxes for both peeing and sh.tting. Don't really understand why it should make such a big difference, but it's the first time in 1,5 year that he has gone two days without any mistakes. SignatureFlemming >> I'm not picking on your English or typing, as the case may be, but >> "nurtured" for "neutered" is pretty dang cute. :D [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > should make such a big difference, but it's the first time in 1,5 year > that he has gone two days without any mistakes. Well, cats are funny creatures that have specific ideas about how things should be and I sometimes wonder, because I have seen my cats do this, they often pee first, cover, then dig and poop. Now, it can be a bit of a tricky dance not stepping on the freshly covered pee. Maybe he got tired of that and just didn't want to have to worry about stepping on anything. So, that requires a separate place to poop. Hope the good trend continues. I've been getting Feliway refills at <http://store.yahoo.com/healthypetscom/feldifref.html>. The price is good ($14.99), delivery is really fast, and the cat/dog logo just too cute. <g> Signaturehttp://www.slywy.com/pages/hodge.html
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