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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / February 2005Francis' "little procedure"
Well, Francis had his cold trip in his carrier this morning. OK, not so cold since he had a hot water bottle (it was 11 F so I relented) and was traveling on my lap in the cab of my neighbor's pickup truck. I dropped him off at about 7:45, and around 9:30 I got a call from the vet that Francis was done with surgery, was a little groggy, and would sleep for the afternoon. I had also asked them to clip his claws, and he got chipped while he was under. I go pick up my little baby after work, and my neighbor will drive us home. I know this was the right thing to do, and that it'll be for his good, but part of me is feeling sad. He's a beautiful young male, with very distinct and bulgy balls. He could have been the icon of healthy maleness. Those distinctive balls are gone now, and so is some of his maleness. I feel sad about that, while I know I wouldn't have considered doing anything different. Does anyone else experience this when they have their cats neutered? Priscilla > Does anyone else experience this when they have their cats neutered? It's definitely a little bit sad to me. When I was nine years old, I cried the day Puma (RB, dog) was snipped. But unfortunately, given the reality (way too many unwanted pets, behavioral issues, and the inability to teach pets "safer sex"), it's the best thing. At least in my opinion. The spay procedure on girls is a lot more invasive than the neutering procedure on boys. If I had thought it reasonable not to do this to Oscar, I would have avoided it. But I'm glad she had it done.  Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > > Does anyone else experience this when they have their cats neutered? > > It's definitely a little bit sad to me. When I was nine years old, I cried > the day Puma (RB, dog) was snipped. But unfortunately, given the reality (way > too many unwanted pets, behavioral issues, and the inability to teach pets > "safer sex"), it's the best thing. At least in my opinion. Oh, definitely. But sometimes the best decision can have accompanying feelings. > The spay procedure on girls is a lot more invasive than the neutering > procedure on boys. If I had thought it reasonable not to do this to Oscar, I > would have avoided it. But I'm glad she had it done. I wonder if I'd react the same way if Francis were Frances and had been spayed. Francis had big beautiful bulgy balls, and they are very obviously Not There Anymore. It's a visible reminder of the loss. BTW, he's home now and doing just fine. I'm probably seeing what I expect, but he already seems to be behaving less agressively towards his older siblings. This is a Good Thing. ;-) Priscilla > > > Does anyone else experience this when they have their cats neutered? > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > older siblings. This is a Good Thing. > ;-) Not to worry. The testicles are generally not the best thing about the man. :) Mary wrote: > > I wonder if I'd react the same way if Francis were Frances and had been > > spayed. Francis had big beautiful bulgy balls, and they are very [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Not to worry. The testicles are generally not the best thing about > the man. :) LOL! My attitudes towards humans and felines are not identical. At all. ;-) Priscilla > > > I wonder if I'd react the same way if Francis were Frances and had been > > > spayed. Francis had big beautiful bulgy balls, and they are very [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > LOL! My attitudes towards humans and felines are not identical. At > all. ;-) I know, you just love your little Francis. I think it is adorable that you are grieving his lovely bulging balls! As you know, they would have become the source of some unlovable behaviors. I imagine if I had gotten Cheeky intact instead of from a shelter that had already spayed her, I would have grieved for the parts they took out of her. Irrational, but so is love. :P > > > Not to worry. The testicles are generally not the best thing about > > > the man. :) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > are > grieving his lovely bulging balls! Actually, it's a tad embarassing! Three years ago I had to admit that, well, calling myself a lesbian was a little too exclusive and "bisexual" really fit me better. Now I'm sad that I had the balls cut off my cat! I tell ya. Those who say you can't teach an old dog new tricks never met this female. ;-) > As you know, they would have become > the source of some unlovable behaviors. I imagine if I had gotten > Cheeky intact instead of from a shelter that had already spayed > her, I would have grieved for the parts they took out of her. > Irrational, but so is love. :P Ain't it just. Priscilla > > > > Not to worry. The testicles are generally not the best thing about > > > > the man. :) [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I tell ya. Those who say you can't teach an old dog new tricks never > met this female. ;-) lol!! Go, Priscilla! I have often thought that if people were not drilled regarding sexual preference, the healthiest people might be bisexual. > > As you know, they would have become > > the source of some unlovable behaviors. I imagine if I had gotten [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Ain't it just. My sisters, who have been regular brood mares, think it is pathetic the way I love my cats, since I have no children. When they talk about their woes with their adolescent kids (whom they cannot simply spay and keep inside, lol!) and upcoming college bills, I just smile. > lol!! Go, Priscilla! I have often thought that if people were not drilled > regarding sexual preference, the healthiest people might be bisexual. I think the whole if clause could be removed =P Not sure about the word healthy, but it does seem to me that people don't fit as neatly into black and white categories as they like to pretend, and those who are busy pretending must be devoting some level of effort to doing so. > My sisters, who have been regular brood mares, think it is pathetic the way > I love my cats, since I have no children. When they talk about their woes > with their adolescent kids (whom they cannot simply spay and keep inside, > lol!) and upcoming college bills, I just smile. Do you ever find yourself in trouble for listening to a story about someone's kid, then immediately following up with a story about your own furbaby? Most parents don't seem like the implication that you equate their kids to your pets ... Calling someone a "brood mare" doesn't sound all that complementary ... I don't understand the motivation to have lots of kids, but I try not to worry about it too much. My nieces on my husband's side are certainly a lot of fun (when someone else is there to take care of them), and I'm looking forward to meeting my new (by marriage) niece and nephew at the end of the month. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > Calling someone a "brood mare" doesn't sound all that complementary ... Exactly! I > don't understand the motivation to have lots of kids, but I try not to worry > about it too much. My nieces on my husband's side are certainly a lot of fun > (when someone else is there to take care of them), and I'm looking forward to > meeting my new (by marriage) niece and nephew at the end of the month. I spoil the hell out of my neices and nephews--then send them back home to Mama and Daddy. > I spoil the hell out of my neices and nephews--then send them back home to > Mama and Daddy. Yes. It's the ability to send them back home that's key =) Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > > I spoil the hell out of my neices and nephews--then send them back home to > > Mama and Daddy. > > Yes. It's the ability to send them back home that's key =) "Ohhh, Billy ... Daddy won't buy you the drum set? Don't worry, honey, Aunt Mary will get if for you." :) > "Ohhh, Billy ... Daddy won't buy you the drum set? Don't worry, honey, Aunt > Mary will get if for you." :) Hah! DH is still bitter at his parents because the instant his grandparents left the house, they confiscated his "popper" toy (those vaccuum-like toys that make popping noises when you push them around). I'm going to have trouble spoiling my niece and nephew. Apparently their mom thinks that Americans spoil their kids too much, and she doesn't want us giving extravagant gifts =/ Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > > "Ohhh, Billy ... Daddy won't buy you the drum set? Don't worry, honey, Aunt > > Mary will get if for you." :) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > thinks that Americans spoil their kids too much, and she doesn't want us > giving extravagant gifts =/ Ooo. This is not good. You must appeal to your brother. >> I'm going to have trouble spoiling my niece and nephew. Apparently >> their mom thinks that Americans spoil their kids too much, and she >> doesn't want us giving extravagant gifts =/ > > Ooo. This is not good. You must appeal to your brother. Nah. The marriage is still pretty new, and they have plenty of matters to work out, as all new couples do. I don't need to add fuel to the fire =) Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > >> I'm going to have trouble spoiling my niece and nephew. Apparently > >> their mom thinks that Americans spoil their kids too much, and she [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Nah. The marriage is still pretty new, and they have plenty of matters to > work out, as all new couples do. I don't need to add fuel to the fire =) Oh my. But little Billy and Susie will suffer without all those toys! You'll change your mind over time. ;) Or have babies of your own to take out your maternal lavishing upon. >> Nah. The marriage is still pretty new, and they have plenty of matters to >> work out, as all new couples do. I don't need to add fuel to the fire =) > > Oh my. But little Billy and Susie will suffer without all those toys! You'll > change your mind over time. ;) Or have babies of your own to take out your > maternal lavishing upon. Honestly, I'm about as maternal as a lump of coal. I go nuts over baby animals, but humans ... ehhhhhh. I'll admit it's been cool seeing DH's nieces growing, and so I expect I'll have a good time with my new, older niece and nephew, but I definitely don't have the "awwww" response that most folks (women?) do. Of course, when confronted with a parent and a baby, I do not make a point of the fact that I do not actually consider the baby to be *the* most cutest creature I've ever laid eyes on. It's odd, because my mom is definitely maternal. I'm reminded of that line in The Bird Cage: "Albert's so maternal, he's practically a breast!" My dad claims he's actually seen my mom (after all her kids were grown and out of the house) see a woman nursing and instantly clutch her breast, as if she were still having a physical reaction to it. (I know that when she was still nursing me, she would have an actual physical reaction when she saw a baby.) Maybe I'd acquire the habit if I had a kid, but I don't think that's a good enough reason to do so! Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > Calling someone a "brood mare" doesn't sound all that complementary ... I > don't understand the motivation to have lots of kids, but I try not to worry > about it too much. I realized today while stuck in traffic that I should explain this better. I think having children is wonderful, and I think JUST having children could probably be really fulfilling. I also think not having children, but doing something else enjoyable and fulfilling can be a good way to live life. So why did I use that nasty phrase, "brood mare?" Because even though I think there's a place for every choice that does not hurt someone, I learned a few years ago that three of my four sisters "look down their noses" at me because I have not had children. It makes them feel superior. It made me angry because I have never once thought "poor little bonehead Annie, dropping babies every other year from her teens through her thirties." I didn't look down at them at all, I felt happy for them and their beautiful kids. It huwt my widdle feewings, see? ;) So now they are brood mares, damn it. They earned the title. :) I still love them of course. But now I know they can be mean, and I suspect they must be stupid to have such a limited view of things. > I realized today while stuck in traffic that I should explain this better. I > think having children is wonderful, and I think JUST having children could [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > them of course. But now I know they can be mean, and I suspect they must be > stupid to have such a limited view of things. Thanks for clarifying this. After reading all of this, I can't blame you for being miffed at your sisters. I would be upset, too, if someone, especially someone who supposedly cares about me, looked down on me for such a reason. Kids are way too important to have them if you're not 100% sure you want them. I really can't fathom the mindset of someone who thinks that those who don't have kids are somehow inferior. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > > I realized today while stuck in traffic that I should explain this better. I > > think having children is wonderful, and I think JUST having children could [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Thanks for clarifying this. Your welcome. I have come to realize that I come off as groundlessly nasty at times, and at times maybe I am, but not this time. ;) >After reading all of this, I can't blame you for > being miffed at your sisters. I would be upset, too, if someone, especially > someone who supposedly cares about me, looked down on me for such a reason. Yeah, you know, I have never thought of competing with them or trying to tear them down. I figured that was what the REST of the world was for, not family and friends. > Kids are way too important to have them if you're not 100% sure you want them. > I really can't fathom the mindset of someone who thinks that those who don't > have kids are somehow inferior. Yes indeed. And while two of my four sisters are still married to their first husbands, the other two have been through three and more marriages. Mostly, I didn't want to marry the wrong man, and have children hurt as a byproduct of that. Why? Because of what I saw growing up. They were there too but I guess they took something different away from the experience. Anyway, at the base of much anger there is hurt. > My sisters, who have been regular brood mares, think it > is pathetic the way I love my cats, since I have no children. > When they talk about their woes with their adolescent kids > (whom they cannot simply spay and keep inside, lol!) and > upcoming college bills, I just smile. I freely admit that my cats are child substitutes. Circumstances have dictated my having no human offspring, but my maternal instincts and abilities are strong, so I take them out on other species. ;-) Priscilla > I freely admit that my cats are child substitutes. Me too! >Circumstances have > dictated my having no human offspring, but my maternal instincts and > abilities are strong, so I take them out on other species. ;-) Same here. I can feel those maternal hormones simmering in the presence of baby ANYTHINGS. Little bats even mesmerize me! I still may have children, but it's a tough call. I would want to be a great mom, but there are so many other things I want to do--and I am not one of those "can do everything" types. > Same here. I can feel those maternal hormones simmering in the presence of > baby ANYTHINGS. Little bats even mesmerize me! I still may have children, > but it's a tough call. I would want to be a great mom, but there are so many > other things I want to do--and I am not one of those "can do everything" > types. Yes, ma'am. I simply say I'm too selfish to have kids right now -- I have so much else I want to do with my life. As a teenager discussing kids with my mom, I said, "Well, of course having a kid is the most important thing a woman can do ..." She interrupted me instantly. While she loves her kids and is quite maternal, she instantly made it clear to me that she doesn't think that having kids is a necessary part of being a woman, and that you can certainly be fulfilled without having kids, and that even if you have kids, other things may be very important to you and fulfill you. I do adore my mom. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* >> The spay procedure on girls is a lot more invasive than the neutering >> procedure on boys. If I had thought it reasonable not to do this to Oscar, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > spayed. Francis had big beautiful bulgy balls, and they are very obviously > Not There Anymore. It's a visible reminder of the loss. Yeah. I guess I just get irked when male-type-humans get really worked up about neutering. They don't have at all the same reaction to spaying. Just because spaying isn't visible doesn't mean it wasn't a big deal! Guys' egos notwithstanding, snipping boys is a much simpler procedure. > BTW, he's home now and doing just fine. I'm probably seeing what I expect, > but he already seems to be behaving less agressively towards his older > siblings. This is a Good Thing. ;-) I'm glad he's doing well. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > >> The spay procedure on girls is a lot more invasive than the neutering > >> procedure on boys. If I had thought it reasonable not to do this to Oscar, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > big deal! Guys' egos notwithstanding, snipping boys is a much simpler > procedure. Indeed. I actually felt a little squeamish about asking my (male) neighbor to drive us to and from the vet for the procedure. When other women at work who are cat people have been talking cats with me there has been the occasional human male who's expressed discomfort with the casualness of the way we toss around terms like "castration." That may have made me a little more sensitive. Women don't have the same reaction when hearing about other women having their ovaries removed, and that's exactly the same thing. We have a reaction, just not the same one. There's something about one's gonads being on the outside of one's body that makes them loom larger in one's self-image I guess. I guess. I'll never completely understand, since I am irrevocably (and gladly) female. > > BTW, he's home now and doing just fine. I'm probably seeing what I expect, > > but he already seems to be behaving less agressively towards his older > > siblings. This is a Good Thing. ;-) > > I'm glad he's doing well. I want to leave now to go home to my snuggle-muffin! I think it's rude and unfeeling how my employer insists upon my earning my pay check. Harrumph. Priscilla HI Priscilla, I'm in the process of arranging the ritual for my siamese Moxie who is 6 years old and still intact. Vet visit Friday for pre-surg check/labs and then schedule the neuter. This winter he has taken to the time-honored tradition of Male Cat Marking and this morning backed up against ME in bed and plastered the duvet with grossness. He is the epitome of Handsome Male Cat, but the innate behavior that arrived ( which I truly did not expect to happen after all this time) rules out his retaining the gonad equipment. I've sent for the Feliway to help curtail the behavior as much as possible for as long as possible, until he regains some propriety about his home and surroundings. I'm also feeling very guilty that I did not do this when I should have. So yes, I understand your feeling sad, but I also know you've done the right thing! Sue ( yep, the Western Maine one) > Well, Francis had his cold trip in his carrier this morning. OK, not so > cold since he had a hot water bottle (it was 11 F so I relented) and was [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Priscilla > Sue > ( yep, the Western Maine one) That's what I was wondering, too. ;-) Cathy > > Sue > > ( yep, the Western Maine one) > > That's what I was wondering, too. ;-) > > Cathy Ayuh, one and the same. lose the mind for private e-mail. > HI Priscilla, > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Sue > ( yep, the Western Maine one) Especially since he is completely developed, I bet you won't see a big difference in his behaviour at all (except marking, which I hope does subside). > HI Priscilla, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > and this morning backed up against ME in bed and plastered the duvet with > grossness. Well, you *could* look at this as a compliment. He's marking you as HIS and warning others to stay away. > He is the epitome of Handsome Male Cat, but the innate behavior that > arrived ( which I truly did not expect to happen after all this time) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > for as long as possible, until he regains some propriety about his home and > surroundings. I'm afraid I've read that altered males may also spray, but I hope his surgery plus the commercial aids do the trick. > I'm also feeling very guilty that I did not do this when I should have. Now, if we were all perfect.... > So yes, I understand your feeling sad, but I also know you've done the > right thing! Yup. Thanks. > Sue > ( yep, the Western Maine one) Heh! Nice to see you. :-) Priscilla > > HI Priscilla, > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Well, you *could* look at this as a compliment. He's marking you as HIS > and warning others to stay away. HEHEHEEEEEEE this is making me smile! snip > I'm afraid I've read that altered males may also spray, but I hope his > surgery plus the commercial aids do the trick. Ive been researching and the pretty unanimous verdict is that neutering after the fact stops the spraying behavior 87% of the time with no other intervention. Of the other 13%, Feliway /ComfortZone help, and a reduction in the behavior is to be expected. > Now, if we were all perfect.... > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Priscilla And YOU TOO!!! Hug little Francis for me, he is a pistol, and he will have a vastly better life with you than he would have had on the street! Sue > > > Sue > > > ( yep, the Western Maine one) > > > > Heh! Nice to see you. :-) > And YOU TOO!!! Hug little Francis for me, he is a pistol, and he will > have a vastly better life with you than he would have had on the street! Oh, definitely. He still wants to get back out there, though.* So while he was under yesterday I had them chip him. When it warms up a bit I want to try to harness/leash train him. He's fascinated by the outdoors, and I have to pick him up and take him to look out the storm/screen door for a minute when I go out so then when I put him back into the house he'll then stay quietly while I lock up. This morning there was a Big Dog out there, and Francis decided it was time to go back in Right Now! Wise fellow, though the dog *was* on a leash. [* Sometimes I wonder if he can smell his birth mother. I don't even know who she is. There aren't any feral intact females that I know of down *our* end of the street. He looks like he could be related to our core colony members, but they're spayed. Maybe a grandkid or something.] He's certainly getting more expensive vet care than he would have on the loose. A $200 cardiac ultrasound and a $220 test/neuter/chip/clip just since Thanksgiving. He's not allowed any further medical needs until next fall! Priscilla > Oh, definitely. He still wants to get back out there, though.* So while he > was under yesterday I had them chip him. I had Oscar chipped in December. She's four years old and I've had her since she was a kitten, always indoor. The impetus? A few days before her vet appointment, I drove into the office parking lot to find a lovely golden retriever wandering around. Snow and ice everywhere; he could easily have been hit, even by a conscientious driver. I packed him into my car and drove him to the shelter down the street, where they unsuccessfully scanned him for a chip. And that's when the lightbulb went off over my head -- if he'd had a chip, the search would be over, and they could call his owner right away. If Oscar ever does get out and end up at a shelter or a vet, I want them to be able to call me without delay. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > Well, Francis had his cold trip in his carrier this morning. OK, not so > cold since he had a hot water bottle (it was 11 F so I relented) and was [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Does anyone else experience this when they have their cats neutered? I imagine Margaret S. has had this feeling. LOL! Your timing is impeccable. > Well, Francis had his cold trip in his carrier this morning. OK, not so > cold since he had a hot water bottle (it was 11 F so I relented) and was [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Priscilla Nope. Because Herrie became an indoor cat, was already sexually mature - an older kitten - when I adopted him, & he pee stunk to high heaven! It reeked so badly that if his litter box needed new scooping, my eyes smarted, when I entered his initial "seclusion" room. Cathy > Nope. Because Herrie became an indoor cat, was already sexually mature - an > older kitten - when I adopted him, & he pee stunk to high heaven! It reeked > so badly that if his litter box needed new scooping, my eyes smarted, when I > entered his initial "seclusion" room. Heh! Got it. What's funny is that Sebbie's pee does smell strong, but just like strong cat pee, matter of degree rather than kind. He's definitely neutered, though. A vet friend who worked at Animal Rescue League did him several years ago. Priscilla > Well, Francis had his cold trip in his carrier this morning. OK, not so > cold since he had a hot water bottle (it was 11 F so I relented) and was [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Does anyone else experience this when they have their cats neutered? Honestly, no. Loki came from the shelter already neutered at 12 weeks, but Bartleby was 8 weeks and too small, they said. (This was before I volunteered at a different shelter) My vet at the time would not neuter until he was 6 months. I was so happy when 6 months arrived and I could get it done. I was really afraid he was going to start spraying and developing intact male behavior. Yes, I was a little fearful because my baby was going under anesthesia, but that was it. Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net "Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG > Honestly, no. Loki came from the shelter already neutered at 12 weeks, but > Bartleby was 8 weeks and too small, they said. (This was before I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > intact male behavior. Yes, I was a little fearful because my baby was going > under anesthesia, but that was it. Francis' vet wouldn't do it before 6 months, either, though I would have preferred it earlier. Caley and Benjamin were done at 12 weeks at the shelter before I took them home. Sebbie was 6 months but mostly because I wanted to socialize him better before I put him through it. He was a genuine feral, not like Francis, who at 4 weeks took 20 minutes to socialize. :-) Priscilla > Well, Francis had his cold trip in his carrier this morning. OK, not so > cold since he had a hot water bottle (it was 11 F so I relented) and was [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Does anyone else experience this when they have their cats neutered? Nope just be happy thinking about all the piss you won't have to wipe off the walls and sponge off your furniture. Also after a few years when you have a massive fluffy cuddle cushion..........you will feel a lot happier. ;o) SignatureI.P.Freely > Well, Francis had his cold trip in his carrier this morning. OK, not so > cold since he had a hot water bottle (it was 11 F so I relented) and was [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Priscilla My kitten Elwood went in for the snippage today too! I thought he would be all mellow and relaxed once I got him home, but he is very hyper! I guess he doesn't miss them that much. Hope your Francis recovery goes well too. Justin >> Well, Francis had his cold trip in his carrier this morning. OK, not so >> cold since he had a hot water bottle (it was 11 F so I relented) and was [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Justin Oh my gosh your kitten is named Elwood!! How CUTE!! My mom was engaged to an Elwood once and I just thought it was a great name. > My kitten Elwood went in for the snippage today too! > > I thought he would be all mellow and relaxed once I got him home, but he > is very hyper! > > I guess he doesn't miss them that much. Good for you for getting Elwood snipped. He's such a cute boy. > My kitten Elwood went in for the snippage today too! > I thought he would be all mellow and relaxed once I got him home, but he > is very hyper! > I guess he doesn't miss them that much. > Hope your Francis recovery goes well too. He was a little quieter than usual, playing quietly by himself in the kitchen after dinner and then coming in to flop on top of Mom as I watched TV on the sofa. He's giving no attention to the area of his missing balls. None. No licking, no nothing. He showed little sign of residual effects of the anesthesia, either, but then he'd had a long time to recover, since he was out of surgery by 9:30 AM and I picked him up at 6:00 PM. His post-surgery instructions were that he wasn't to do a lot of jumping, etc. (ha!) but he showed no sign of that being a problem for him. Like I could have stopped him. They clipped his claws, too, so when he leapt up to my shoulder as I was making breakfast this morning there was no pain involved for me. :-) He purred happily while he supervised my work from his perch by my left ear. Scritches to Elwood! Priscilla > Well, Francis had his cold trip in his carrier this morning. OK, not so > cold since he had a hot water bottle (it was 11 F so I relented) and was [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Priscilla Well, I tell you what, my big boys maleness being snipped has never kept him from acting VERY male. There is no mistaking his boyish swagger and brag. Where as Sugar and Pearl are very feminine acting with Sugar being coy and wide eyed and Pearl very queenly and demanding. There is just more to being a boy and girl than hormones alone I believe otherwise they would all behave the same and not have such distinctive traits. I'm glad he came through like a trouper. > There is just more to being > a boy and girl than hormones alone I believe otherwise they > would all behave the same and not have such distinctive traits. I can remember years ago how all neutered pets were called "it" rather than he/her. It just not so! SignatureCheryl Maynard was neutered 18 years ago as a 6 month old kitten. I was nervous the actual day simply because there is always a risk. But other than that, no qualms at all. I was 14 years old, and I paid for it with my newspaper route money. You see Maynard was a kitten from an unplanned pregnancy. His mom chewed through a screen window and escaped. She had 8 kittens, and Maynard was the smallest of the 3 runts. He was hand fed from day one. When it came to time to give away the kittens, we were getting ready to move back from Iowa to Washington. My mom mistakenly thought that keeping a kitten would keep her cat from going into season again. So, we kept the last kitten, who happened to be the ugliest - Maynard. That was in In August. We got to Seattle, and posted pics of him. He was offered for free, but he was so ugly at that time (and bright blue in the pics) that we never got a single phone call. By November, I was hooked. He was sleeping on my bed, eating my food, and just plain my cat. I went to me dad and asked if I could have for Christmas. And I would pay for him to be neutered. Christmas came and went. No word from Dad. (Back then, he wasn't big on animals, and we already had 3 cats and 2 dogs). The day after Christmas, I asked him if I could keep Maynard, and he replied, "I guess so. Nobody else seems to want him." I think it cost me $30-35 to get him neuetered. A whole month's earnings from that paper route. But I sure was happy to keep him. And I still have him. He isn't the brighest, but he is the sweetest. And he wasn't ugly for very long. I'd still kill to find those blue pics though. One of these days, I am going to dig through my mom's boxes of negatives. Gotta be in there somewhere. Maynard is one fine cat, and I have never regretted it for a second. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com > Maynard was neutered 18 years ago as a 6 month old kitten. I was > nervous the actual day simply because there is always a risk. But [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Maynard is one fine cat, and I have never regretted it for a second. A cool story! Maynard turned out to be one lucky kitten - & is obviously still one lucky cat, & you were one clear-thinking, goal-oriented, & responsible 14 yr. old! :-) Cathy > That was in In August. We got to Seattle, and posted pics of him. He was > offered for free, but he was so ugly at that time (and bright blue in the > pics) that we never got a single phone call. Okay, I've seen ugly babies, but I have *never* seen an ugly kitten. I want to see these blue pictures! Does he have three ears or something? Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* >> That was in In August. We got to Seattle, and posted pics of him. He was >> offered for free, but he was so ugly at that time (and bright blue in the >> pics) that we never got a single phone call. > >Okay, I've seen ugly babies, but I have *never* seen an ugly kitten. I want >to see these blue pictures! Does he have three ears or something? Okay. Here is the early kitten photo. The main one we used to promote him. I still carry it to show that ugly kittens do get better. http://www.zoocrewphoto.com/cats/maynard1.jpg This one was taken about 2 years ago. I'll have to scan more pics. I have more recent pics as well as some older ones, though not the really bright blue ones (can't find those). I have a nice one taken a few weeks ago, but I gotta figure out where I put it. http://www.zoocrewphoto.com/cats/maynard8.jpg Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com >>> That was in In August. We got to Seattle, and posted pics of him. He was >>> offered for free, but he was so ugly at that time (and bright blue in the [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Equine and Pet Photography > http://www.zoocrewphoto.com Ack! He is still cute. The tips of his ears curled!! "Meghan Noecker" <friesian@zoocrewphoto.com> wrote : > Okay. Here is the early kitten photo. The main one we used to promote > him. I still carry it to show that ugly kittens do get better. > > http://www.zoocrewphoto.com/cats/maynard1.jpg Oh my. I do see what you mean. > This one was taken about 2 years ago. I'll have to scan more pics. I > have more recent pics as well as some older ones, though not the > really bright blue ones (can't find those). I have a nice one taken a > few weeks ago, but I gotta figure out where I put it. > > http://www.zoocrewphoto.com/cats/maynard8.jpg He bloomed! > "Meghan Noecker" <friesian@zoocrewphoto.com> wrote : >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Oh my. I do see what you mean. I wouldn't call him ugly. Slightly extra-terrestrial-looking maybe ... but honestly, not ugly. Just unique =) I blame your camera, anyway. There's no such thing as an ugly kitten! >> This one was taken about 2 years ago. I'll have to scan more pics. I have >> more recent pics as well as some older ones, though not the really bright [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > He bloomed! I have to agree. And I wonder what he and his pal in the lower right hand corner are both staring at =P Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > > "Meghan Noecker" <friesian@zoocrewphoto.com> wrote : > >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > I have to agree. And I wonder what he and his pal in the lower right hand > corner are both staring at =P You know, he really looks pretty good for an old guy! >You know, he really looks pretty good for an old guy! Yes, that was at 16, and he still looks good now. The only real difference is the loss of muscle in the hind end. His "jumpers" don't work so well these days. But if he stands right, it isn't so obvious. I loaned my scanner to my mom, she fried it, bought a new one, and hope to have it back soon (so *I* can start playing with it). Then I can add a bunch more photos. Like the outtakes from photo sessions. Kira's hissy fits are great. She hates Chase, and he can't stand to stay away from a photo shoot. Plus, with catnip present, she will hold her ground longer and hiss before she takes off. So, I can get some nice hissy photos of her. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com >> "Meghan Noecker" <friesian@zoocrewphoto.com> wrote : >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >honestly, not ugly. Just unique =) I blame your camera, anyway. There's no >such thing as an ugly kitten! I'll see if I can find a few more. Honestly, he looked like a rat with an overgrown head. But he was one of 3 runts in a litter of 8 kittens. he put all of his initial energy into personality. And by 6 months, he was very cute. Besides, if he had been cute to start off with, I wouldn't have him. It was only because people didn't want him that I fell in love with him and got to keep him. i'm sure he feels it is worth the few negative comments. He knows he is a handsome prince. >I have to agree. And I wonder what he and his pal in the lower right hand >corner are both staring at =P I believe I was using shrimp with him. Each cat works for different treats. Maynard works really well for shrimp. Kira prefers cat nip. And Chase, well, he's a ham. He gets in the way as soon as as I set up the backrgound. In fact, it is very hard to keep the others out of the pictures, unless I lock them in another room. And then they just cry. Once I get my scanner back, I can post some group photos. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com > It was only because people didn't want him that I > fell in love with him and got to keep him. Hah, I knew this! I've been this way all my life. Give me an underdog and I'll give him everything. It's terrible for dating. :) > >> That was in In August. We got to Seattle, and posted pics of him. He was > >> offered for free, but he was so ugly at that time (and bright blue in the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > http://www.zoocrewphoto.com/cats/maynard8.jpg Looks-wise, I have to agree that he certainly did improve w/ age! ;-) Cathy > Maynard was neutered 18 years ago as a 6 month old kitten. I was > nervous the actual day simply because there is always a risk. But [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Maynard is one fine cat, and I have never regretted it for a second. Sounds like love. Good for you. > Does anyone else experience this when they have their cats > neutered? Purrs for Francis to feel back to himself soon. I don't have any experience with this other than Rhett, current hoolikitten. He seems no different to me now, about a month and a half later. He also had a big pair of dangly doodads. ;) SignatureCheryl > Well, Francis had his cold trip in his carrier this morning. OK, not so > cold since he had a hot water bottle (it was 11 F so I relented) and was [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Priscilla Probably more men than women!!! > Well, Francis had his cold trip in his carrier this morning. OK, not so > cold since he had a hot water bottle (it was 11 F so I relented) and was [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > maleness. I feel sad about that, while I know I wouldn't have > considered doing anything different. Does anyone else experience this when they have their cats neutered? Priscilla **Hi Priscilla, I have been debating in my mind about this same thing. In my case, it is my almost 4 month old, beautiful, white male kitten, "Dove". He is such a cutie and so sweet, he actually kisses my face(!). Not to mention many other enduring traits. I figure that I just might want to continue to spread his genes. I have a few more months to go yet, but I am debating finding a pretty and sweet female to mate him with. Dove would make such beautiful babies with either an apple head Siamese or Himalayan! Of course, I'd take one of the litter and be willing to help the owner find good homes for the other kittens when the time came. But finding the right* mate, with a good personality, traits and coloring is much easier said than done, since most of my friends and my family' cats are already fixed. And I'm torn because once Dove is fixed, there is no turning back. He is such a sweet and special little guy. I wish I had one of (my now deceased) Blue's babies. I'd let Blue 'do it' one time when he went into heat when he was about 7 months old, many years ago. I have no idea's who's cat it was, but I know that Blue had one* experience before he got snipped. Blue never, ever, sprayed ( thank God) and was fixed when he was @ 8 months old. ML > **Hi Priscilla, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > enduring traits. I figure that I just might want to continue to spread his > genes. Please don't. You have absolutely no idea what the offspring will be like. And nice, you keep one kitten -- what happens to the rest? There are always more kittens in need of homes than there are homes. Because of this, people typically have as many pets as they are willing to support, and finding owners is a matter of finding a person who is looking for a pet. By providing them with one of your kittens, you're stealing a spot that would have been taken by a shelter kitten. Please don't. Please. If you want me to beg, I'll beg. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > > **Hi Priscilla, > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Please don't. Please. If you want me to beg, I'll beg. monique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch **Monique, No need to beg. I'll do what I choose to do anyway :-). Always have. I've never been the type to follow the masses. I am responsible and would make absolute sure the kittens would get a super good home, or I would keep all of them, period. But I really think it's a personal decision, one I haven't made up my mind about yet. I very well may decide to fix Dove when the time comes, and it's coming. Yet I'm still not sure. I do know that I'm very responsible, and have never been the type to 'dump off' my responsibilities onto others. So the Kittens would be mine and the (female cat) owner's responsibility to take care of and find homes for. Fact is, I'd keep the kittens if I could not* do this. ML > **Monique, > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > be mine and the (female cat) owner's responsibility to take care of and find > homes for. Fact is, I'd keep the kittens if I could not* do this. You must not have read what I typed. I'll repeat. There are far more animals out there who need homes than there are spots in homes. All you'd be doing is swapping *which* animals get killed. When your hypothetical kittens get homes, that just means other kittens will die because they're not chosen. Wonderful. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > > **Monique, > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > be mine and the (female cat) owner's responsibility to take care of and find > > homes for. Fact is, I'd keep the kittens if I could not* do this. > You must not have read what I typed. I'll repeat. There are far more > animals out there who need homes than there are spots in homes. All [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > monique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ***Monique, Oh yes, I read what you said. Did you read above when I said that I would do what I chose to do, anyway? I must say that you articulate yourself well and in a civil manner. Not like a Crazed, PMS-ing dictator (whose last name reminds me of a swamp). I appreciate that. ML "Slimpickins" <Slim@work.com> wrote> > -- > > monique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Oh yes, I read what you said. Did you read above when I said that I would do > what I chose to do, anyway? Everybody already knows that. Can't you feel the pure hatred traveling toward you over the ether? What goes around comes around, scumbag. You have the power to save countless cats from suffering. When you instead use that power to ensure that they do, you have a few interesting things coming for you. It's inevitable. > "Slimpickins" <Slim@work.com> wrote> > -- > > > monique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > they do, you have a few interesting things coming for you. It's > inevitable. ** Mary, Your big mouth ought to be washed out with soap. Calling people scumbag is soo out of place. Maybe YOU* should take a big hike off of a big cliff. I'm sure we'd hear a big applause afterwards. You should grow up and act like a woman, not a big jerk. You wouldn't have the guts to talk to me in person like that, I'm sure! ML > > "Slimpickins" <Slim@work.com> wrote> > -- > > > > monique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > ML Your killfile is broken, scumbag. "Slimpickins" <Slim@work.com> wrote>> **Monique, > No need to beg. I'll do what I choose to do anyway :-). Always have. I've > never been the type to follow the masses. I am responsible and would make > absolute sure the kittens would get a super good home Instead of making sure that a few of the millions of kittens who are already alive and scheduled to die get a home? Shame on you. You are selfish and short sighted, and no friend of cats. > "Slimpickins" <Slim@work.com> wrote>> **Monique, > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > alive and scheduled to die get a home? Shame on you. You are selfish > and short sighted, and no friend of cats. ***Don't tell me I'm not a friend of cats! How dare you. Like you would know? HA. Such B.S! And what nerve of you and some of the (real catty) woman have here. It's a wonder you haven't scared everyone off. But you don't intimidate me one bit. I'll stay here and post away to my hearts content. And BTW, I welcome many others reading this to do the same thing. Forget about these Uptight Control Freaks, and post away, everyone! I sure plan on doing so! So shame on you*, Mary, for your generic labeling and being ignorant about posters, such as myself, that you and Miss Pricilla bag lady don't know diddly squat about. Another one bites the dust... ML > > "Slimpickins" <Slim@work.com> wrote>> **Monique, > > > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > ML I'm sure you feel better after that lovely vent, but the fact remains that if you even consider bringing more cats into this world where so many need homes NOW, you are no friend of cats, and a cruel fuckhead. HTH. > > > "Slimpickins" <Slim@work.com> wrote>> **Monique, > > > > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > so many need homes NOW, you are no friend of cats, and > a cruel fuckhead. HTH. **There you go again with your classy talk. Do yourself (and others here) a favor and ditch it. It's time to grow up, Mary. You can't un-ring a bell, but you still sound like your stuck in grade school lingo. HTH. ML "Slimpickins" <Slim@work.com> wrote > > I'm sure you feel better after that lovely vent, but the fact remains > > that if you even consider bringing more cats into this world where > > so many need homes NOW, you are no friend of cats, and > > a cruel fuckhead. HTH. > > > **There you go again with your classy talk. I calls 'em like I sees 'em. Do yourself (and others here) a > favor and ditch it. It's time to grow up, Mary. You can't un-ring a bell, > but you still sound like your stuck in grade school lingo. HTH. It doesn't matter how I put it. The fact is that people who care about cats do not allow their cats to breed. They want to help the cats that need homes now. You know that to be true or you would not be so hysterical in your lame defense of your selfish thoughtlessness. > "Slimpickins" <Slim@work.com> wrote > > I'm sure you feel better after that > lovely vent, but the fact remains [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > you would not be so hysterical in your lame defense of your > selfish thoughtlessness. **I don't like total strangers attacking me and cussing me, no. And I won't put up with it. And I don't like you or anyone else here telling me all high and mighty that I *have to* do what you deem correct because "We say you Have To or you are just an irresponsible, dumb, stupid *&^%$# blankity blank blank blank!", as you would put it. That's completely ridiculous! And frankly, it makes you and your nazi sounding, everything is black and white attitude problem look plain foolish. HTH. ML > **I don't like total strangers attacking me and cussing me, no. And I won't > put up with it. Really. >And I don't like you or anyone else here telling me all high > and mighty that I *have to* do what you deem correct because "We say you > Have To or you are just an irresponsible, dumb, stupid *&^%$# blankity blank > blank blank!", as you would put it. That's completely ridiculous! And > frankly, it makes you and your nazi sounding, everything is black and white > attitude problem look plain foolish. HTH. It is a simple issue. Either you are responsible and really care about cats or you don't. You think the one in front of you is just so warm and fuzzy and cute, well golly, why not make MORE just like that? Well, sunshine, there are many more just like that in shelters awaiting execution now. Proposing allowing more to come into this world is idiocy--and it is cruel. You are wrong to even consider it, and your position is indefensible. Of course you are free to do wrong. People do it every day. > It is a simple issue. Either you are responsible and really care about cats > or you don't. You think the one in front of you is just so warm and fuzzy [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > You are wrong to even consider it, and your position is indefensible. Of > course you are free to do wrong. People do it every day. What she said. Come on now, you had a cat named Blue who was just so amazingly extraordinarily special. Now you have this cat named Dove, and, gee whillickers, ma'am, it's so amazingly unique and special, too! What are the odds? Gee, maybe, just maybe, all cats are extraordinary and special to us once we have them. Maybe, just maybe, your Dove and your Blue are simply normal examples of that wonderful creature we call a cat, and Dove isn't any more amazing, his progeny any more deserving of a home, than any other cat and its (hopefully hypothetical) offspring. When someone posts to a newsgroup about how special their cat is, we don't agree with them because we think their cat is just sooo much better than ours. We agree because we know that all cats are special to their owners, and we empathize with that feeling. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > > It is a simple issue. Either you are responsible and really care about cats > > or you don't. You think the one in front of you is just so warm and fuzzy [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > We agree because we know that all cats are special to their owners, and we > empathize with that feeling. She doesn't care. She wants to be cruel an irresponsible without facing the fact that she is wrong. Why will Slimpickens (and what an apt name) breed her cat? Because she CAN. Not because she thinks it is the right thing to do. Okay, I'm finished. :) >When someone posts to a newsgroup about how special their cat is, we don't >agree with them because we think their cat is just sooo much better than ours. >We agree because we know that all cats are special to their owners, and we >empathize with that feeling. Not everybody understands that. My sister got mad at me a couple days ago because she said, "and we all know who had the best eyes..." and I replied with my cat's name the same time as she said her cat's name. I understand that she loved his eyes the best. Duh, we are all biased. But she badgered me and tried to get me to agree that her cat was the best, not understanding that the reason she loved his eyes so much is the same reason I didn't. Personal preference. And bias. I do not feel insulted when somebody announces that they have the best cat in the world... because I *know* that *I* do :) Most people who enjoy animals do have the best animal in the world - for them. That's because they are all so wonderful, and every cat is a great cat - you just need the right match. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com >frankly, it makes you and your nazi sounding, everything is black and white >attitude problem look plain foolish. HTH. Godwin's Law. You lose. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com >***Don't tell me I'm not a friend of cats! How dare you. You might try going down to animal control and see some of the animals scheduled to die. There's nothing wrong with them. Just not enough homes. I know you don't think you are hurting anybody, but please consider this. As many kittens as your cat has, you will have condemned to death. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com >No need to beg. I'll do what I choose to do anyway :-). Always have. I've >never been the type to follow the masses. I am responsible and would make >absolute sure the kittens would get a super good home, It's not just those kittens. There are a limited number of people looking for cats. And they will either take cats from breeders or individuals who have a litter, *or* they will take a cat from a shelter. So, if you have 5 kittens, then the people who take your 5 kittens will not take 5 of the shelter cats, and those cats will be killed. If there are 100 people looking for a cat and 400 cats available, then it doesn't matter why you breed or how many homes you find, there are still 300 cats without homes, and they will be killed. So, while your 5 may do well, your actions will cause 5 other cats to not find homes. I know it is hard to think of it this way, but there are thousands of cats being put down every year because there aren't enough homes. Wouldn't you rather be part of the solution (by adopting a cat) rather than the problem (by breeding a litter)? Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com > >No need to beg. I'll do what I choose to do anyway :-). Always have. I've > >never been the type to follow the masses. I am responsible and would make [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Wouldn't you rather be part of the solution (by adopting a cat) rather > than the problem (by breeding a litter)? No, Meghan, she wouldn't. She's selfish and she does not care about anyone but herself. She can say what she wants, but she is no friend to cats. Someone like you could never understand someone as shallow and uncaring as this thing. She and others like her ARE the problem. > > >No need to beg. I'll do what I choose to do anyway :-). Always have. I've > > >never been the type to follow the masses. I am responsible and would make [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > understand someone as shallow and uncaring as this thing. > She and others like her ARE the problem. ***What make you the expert? Ha! You aren't. You just like to Act like you are. Your just another annoying, "know it all'. God knows I Hate, 'Know it alls', and so does everybody else, TOOTS! And based on the way you write, you act like your still stuck in high school. I'm sure that I'm much older than you. Not to worry, you'll grown up one day. ML >I know it is hard to think of it this way, >but there are thousands of cats being put >down every year because there aren't >enough homes. In one city, maybe. Extrapolate and include all facilities that kill and the number is in the millions. The MILLIONS. Megan Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray >>I know it is hard to think of it this way, >>but there are thousands of cats being put [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >the number is in the millions. >The MILLIONS. Very true, but I figured it would be even harder for her to take in those numbers. It seems so huge, and one litter seems so small. That is why I think it is better to think in terms of the local area. As long as the dying cats are not seen, we can pretend the problem doesn't exist. But to go the shelter and wonder which ones will live and which ones will die - that puts a face on the horror, and makes it feel real. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com > > **Hi Priscilla, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > once Dove is fixed, there is no turning back. He is such a sweet and special > little guy. This is NOT what I was talking about. I am horrified that you could think it was. If you breed your male cat, you will be adding to the overpopulation of cats and sentencing some poor cats waiting for adoption in shelters to death. You also have absolutely no guarantee that the temperaments of the offspring will in any way resemble Dove's temperament. In fact, since personality in cats isn't fixed until about age 2 years, you have no idea what Dove's adult temperament will be! > I wish I had one of (my now deceased) Blue's babies. I'd let Blue 'do it' > one time when he went into heat when he was about 7 months old, many years > ago. I have no idea's who's cat it was, but I know that Blue had one* > experience before he got snipped. Blue never, ever, sprayed ( thank God) and > was fixed when he was @ 8 months old. The fact that you cannot even get the biology correct (males do not go "into heat") means that you are operating out of ignorance. You must educate yourself about cats and examine the consequences to your actions. Or maybe you're a troll, and I fell for it. Priscilla Signature"Just because I don't throw a hissy fit and leave on account of the 'Jesus is my boyfriend' music doesn't mean I approve of it --- it just means I've learned to understand the difference between having a different opinion from someone and having a different religion." - Leslie Faye in newsgroup alt.religion.christian.episcopal ***Good God Lady, Lighten up!! And No, I'm not a troll! You* sure sound like one with no manners. Obviously, you have None! You have no clue who I am, which is quite obvious by your rude response. This is the last time I respond to your &^%$# posts! Lucky me. BYE-BYE! PLONK..... ML > > **Hi Priscilla, > > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > opinion from someone and having a different religion." > - Leslie Faye in newsgroup alt.religion.christian.episcopal |
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