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Urgent:  Can a sexually mature male mate with a sexually immature female?

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Zathras - 29 Jan 2005 03:33 GMT
I have two kittens that will hit the 6 month old mark in a couple
days.  Tonight, the male, Sachi, has begun to grab a hold of Hana's
(the female) nape and the first time looked like he was trying to get
into position before I distracted him.  He's tried grabbing Hana's
nape a few more times and I finally separated the two.  Is this mating
behavior by Sachi?  It sure looks like it, but Hana is not in heat.
Is it okay to let them stay together overnight or should I separate
them?  Can they actually mate if Hana has not matured yet?  Thanks in
advance for any help you may have.

Zathras
Karen Chuplis - 29 Jan 2005 04:04 GMT
> I have two kittens that will hit the 6 month old mark in a couple
> days.  Tonight, the male, Sachi, has begun to grab a hold of Hana's
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>
> Zathras

Better safe than sorry. Separate them and get him fixed ASAP. Also her, but
snippage with a boy is quicker and easier than a spay. Or take them in
together. They are both of age to be fixed. Really, you need to do this.
Cathy Friedmann - 29 Jan 2005 04:03 GMT
> > I have two kittens that will hit the 6 month old mark in a couple
> > days.  Tonight, the male, Sachi, has begun to grab a hold of Hana's
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> snippage with a boy is quicker and easier than a spay. Or take them in
> together. They are both of age to be fixed. Really, you need to do this.

Yep, yep, I second this.  Female cats can go into heat before the 6 months
of age, & even though you haven't noticed her in a heat... since cats are
induced ovulators, I'd take no chances.

Cathy
Zathras - 29 Jan 2005 05:13 GMT
>Yep, yep, I second this.  Female cats can go into heat before the 6 months
>of age, & even though you haven't noticed her in a heat... since cats are
>induced ovulators, I'd take no chances.

My darling little Hana ovulating?  Now I know why fathers are so
protective of their daughters. ;-)
Mary - 29 Jan 2005 05:27 GMT
> >Yep, yep, I second this.  Female cats can go into heat before the 6 months
> >of age, & even though you haven't noticed her in a heat... since cats are
> >induced ovulators, I'd take no chances.
>
> My darling little Hana ovulating?  Now I know why fathers are so
> protective of their daughters. ;-)

We need pics!! :) Got a Yahoo album? Or you can post
some to alt.binaries.pictures.animals ...
Zathras - 29 Jan 2005 16:23 GMT
>We need pics!! :) Got a Yahoo album? Or you can post
>some to alt.binaries.pictures.animals ...

I posted two pics to abpa from when they were 2 months old, titled
"Hana & Sachi at 2 months."  They're scans from slides.  Personally, I
think they look much better now at 6 months old, but I haven't had
time to take pictures and get them developed (no digital cameras in
this house!).  They're also eating better now, compared to the 9 Lives
they were eating before I got them (yuck!).  Sachi is the black one
with the wide head.  So what color pattern is Hana?  She's basically
black and cream with some orange stripes.  And a large-ish patch of
off-white between her tummy and her backside, which you can't see
unless she's on her back.  I was thinking she's a tortie, but it
doesn't quite fit the article I read on torties.  Mom was black, dad
was orange tabby, if that helps.
Mary - 29 Jan 2005 19:12 GMT
> wrote:
>
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> doesn't quite fit the article I read on torties.  Mom was black, dad
> was orange tabby, if that helps.

OMG, they are beautiful! I would call Hana a tortie, but I am
not very precise about those things. Thanks for posting, and hope
you can keep the little teenagers "in their pants" 'til you get them
altered, so to speak!
Zathras - 31 Jan 2005 14:42 GMT
>OMG, they are beautiful! I would call Hana a tortie, but I am
>not very precise about those things. Thanks for posting, and hope
>you can keep the little teenagers "in their pants" 'til you get them
>altered, so to speak!

I will pass along your compliments. :-)  But they're gorgeous no more,
at least Hana isn't.  She's been "on the verge" for a couple days now,
and she's going nuts this morning.  I thought the two might be able to
cohabit under supervision, but Sachi was all over Hana in less than 5
minutes.  Had to yank him out of the room really fast.  He was not
happy to go in that cage.  One more day...  Of course, I'm going to be
gone about 12 hours today so I'm gonna have to make my dear mum take
care of her. :-P  I'll be sure to call regularly.
Mary - 31 Jan 2005 18:08 GMT
> >OMG, they are beautiful! I would call Hana a tortie, but I am
> >not very precise about those things. Thanks for posting, and hope
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> gone about 12 hours today so I'm gonna have to make my dear mum take
> care of her. :-P  I'll be sure to call regularly.

When will you get them in to be neutered?
Karen Chuplis - 29 Jan 2005 19:18 GMT
>> We need pics!! :) Got a Yahoo album? Or you can post
>> some to alt.binaries.pictures.animals ...
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> doesn't quite fit the article I read on torties.  Mom was black, dad
> was orange tabby, if that helps.

I'd call her a tortie.
Zathras - 29 Jan 2005 04:15 GMT
>Better safe than sorry. Separate them and get him fixed ASAP. Also her, but
>snippage with a boy is quicker and easier than a spay. Or take them in
>together. They are both of age to be fixed. Really, you need to do this.

Thanks for the reply.  I was intending to take them both in tomorrow
morning anyway, so this incident is just a little bit of a curveball.
Guess I should have taken them in today, huh?  Bad Sachi!
Mary - 29 Jan 2005 05:02 GMT
>I have two kittens that will hit the 6 month old mark in a couple
>days.  Tonight, the male, Sachi, has begun to grab a hold of Hana's
>(the female) nape and the first time looked like he was trying to get
>into position before I distracted him

She's old enough to be in heat. Sounds like she could be in heat but just
hasn't started with all the moaning and groaning. She can get pregnant. I had a
cat go into heat at 4.75 months! Now I spay/neuter all my kittens are 8 weeks.
It's much easier on their bodies. If she does get pregnant, you can still spay
her, the sooner the better.
Zathras - 29 Jan 2005 16:23 GMT
>She's old enough to be in heat. Sounds like she could be in heat but just
>hasn't started with all the moaning and groaning. She can get pregnant. I had a
>cat go into heat at 4.75 months! Now I spay/neuter all my kittens are 8 weeks.
>It's much easier on their bodies. If she does get pregnant, you can still spay
>her, the sooner the better.

Yeah, I think I got the two mixed up in terms of sexual maturity.
Hana, who is usually fairly quiet, is locked in the bathroom and was
howling for a long time.  I think she's napping now after wearing
herself out. :-P
linda varney - 01 Feb 2005 13:42 GMT
queen cats don`t have heats they have oestrus which means they can call
anytime .so be prepared for a personality change.thay either get more
affectionate or they become more aloof.so happy pussing.linda.any problems
give me an email.i have 48 years of cats allowing me to look after them.
 
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