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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / February 2005Ferral kitty sleeps in litterbox
THREE days ago we took a feral female cat (about 1yr old) to be tested/vaccinated/spayed. We've been working with her outside for about 5 months. In the beginning we'd only see her once a week or so, and she always ran away. After she decided to follow us when we walk our dog, come when called, live on our porch, let us pet her, and meet my wife at her car in the morning when my wife leaves for work, we decided to adopt her. She is doing great, and after being zonked out after surgery for 24hrs she has started to eat and drink and get back to her purring ways. Her health checked out A-okay. We are keeping her in her own room, and in a large wire dog cage with kitty bed, food/water, and a litter box at the back of the cage. The only problem is that the first day in a half she slept and stayed in the litter box. She also has not gone to the bathroom at all. Starting the 2nd day, she likes the kitty bed now and stays there. But I noticed when she got scared today (3rd day since surgery) from a noise outside (garbage truck) she jumped into the litterbox for a minute. Considering her body probably shutdown after surgery, is 3 days okay to let her go without using the bathroom? If she doesn't go by the morning of the 4th day (tomorrow, Saturday) then I might put her in a bathroom with a litterbox to get her out of the caged environment. We plan to let her out of the cage for supervised play once she is using the litterbox. Any advice would be great! Other than not using the bathroom, she seems very content, purring, stretching, napping... Thanks! Did you call the vet to see what they say. Usually if they don't go within 24 to 36 hours you have something to be concerned about and a vet visit is probably in order. Celeste > THREE days ago we took a feral female cat (about 1yr old) to be > tested/vaccinated/spayed. We've been working with her outside for [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Thanks! > THREE days ago we took a feral female cat (about 1yr old) to be > tested/vaccinated/spayed. We've been working with her outside for [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Thanks! If she's a feral, you might want to cover the litter with dirt - she's probably used to dirt. After she gets used to using the box, gradually reduce the amount of dirt. Please let her out of the cage and just show her where the litterbox is. If you have other cats, you can introduce them by using gates (which you can return). http://www.maxshouse.com/introducing_cats.htm Phil >The only problem is that the first day in a >half she slept and stayed in the litter box. >She also has not gone to the bathroom at >all. If she has been living outside she is used to eliminating in dirt or grass and probably has no idea what litter or a litterbox are for. Get some dirt from ouside if the ground is not frozen or use potting soil and put a layer on top of the cat litter. >Starting the 2nd day, she likes the kitty >bed now and stays there. But I noticed >when she got scared today (3rd day since >surgery) from a noise outside (garbage >truck) she jumped into the litterbox for a >minute. The box is the closest thing to a hidey hole she has available, and it's probably in the back of the cage which is the furthest point she can go to "get away." Megan  Signature"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray We've actually seen her "make" outside in the mulch and then cover it up... so I got some and put it on half the litter. After I eat dinner I'll put more mulch on if she hasn't figured it out. Other than not going to the bathroom... she is doing great. Stretching, full of purs, letting us pet her, napping a lot. She likes to sometimes "teethe" (if I had to compare it to a puppy dog) on our knuckles softly, and sometimes using her paws to lightly hold on... but other than us pushing back just a little bit to correct her we're more worried about letting her get used to the new surroundings (her cage, and room -- eventually) and finally going to the bathroom. I'd be happy if she went anywhere. If she doesn't go by Sat. morning I'll contact the vet, which I guess means she'll have to be sedated again if he wants to check her. Thanks! Evan > We've actually seen her "make" outside in the mulch and then cover it up... > so I got some and put it on half the litter. After I eat dinner I'll put [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > doesn't go by Sat. morning I'll contact the vet, which I guess means she'll > have to be sedated again if he wants to check her. Addressing her habit of hiding in the litterbox: could you get her a little kitty hutch that she could hide in? I've seen fabric "tents" at the pet store for about $25. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > We've actually seen her "make" outside in the mulch and then cover it > up... so I got some and put it on half the litter. After I eat dinner [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > the vet, which I guess means she'll have to be sedated again if he > wants to check her. She sounds like a doll and you are wonderful for taking her in. The best idea is to keep her in a room of her own with bed, food, water and litter box. The litter box should be away from the food dish. She should be fine with this set up. Gail > THREE days ago we took a feral female cat (about 1yr old) to be > tested/vaccinated/spayed. We've been working with her outside for [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Thanks! On Fri 28 Jan 2005 06:07:39p, Evan wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav (news:1106953659.693467.120650 @f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com): > Any advice would be great! Other than not using the bathroom, she > seems very content, purring, stretching, napping... You're going to be so rewarded by taking in a feral! My Bonnie was a feral and sometimes she makes me cry to see how far she's come in trusting me. SignatureCheryl > On Fri 28 Jan 2005 06:07:39p, Evan wrote in > rec.pets.cats.health+behav (news:1106953659.693467.120650 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > feral and sometimes she makes me cry to see how far she's come in > trusting me. I'm wondering if they shouldn't put a blanket partway over the cage to give her more of a protected feel? Yes, the cage is covered with a sheet. Update Friday night: Still has not gone to the bathroom. I put more mulch in, and she likes it... likes to lie in it! So, I went out and bought a second litter box and put some mulch over a little litter. This second box she is interested in, but hasn't sat in it. So, I'm taking out the first one, and putting the second litter box into the cage. We had her out of the cage a little bit also, to see if she'd go in either of the litter boxes positioned away from the cage, in the room... but nothing. Right now, she curled up in a kitty bed in the room, so I have to wake her and put her back into the cage (with the new litter box). If it wasn't for the fact she's not going to the bathroom, she is acting completely natural. Puring, investigating, jumped up on my lap (first time, and even though it's been 5 months I was shocked she's so trusting!) but I don't want her jumping because of the stiches and it's only the 3rd day after surgery. Evan > Yes, the cage is covered with a sheet. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Evan If she feels safe enough to curl up in the kitty bed outside the cage, I would just leave the cage door open and let her be out and about in the room by herself. Or is there a reason she can't be out in the room? > > Yes, the cage is covered with a sheet. > > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > would just leave the cage door open and let her be out and about in the room > by herself. Or is there a reason she can't be out in the room? Since she actually enjoys petting, I can't imagine there would be. > Yes, the cage is covered with a sheet. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Right now, she curled up in a kitty bed in the room, so I have to wake > her and put her back into the cage (with the new litter box). Why does she have to be in a cage at all?? >> Yes, the cage is covered with a sheet. >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Why does she have to be in a cage at all?? It is a common and sensible way to domesticate ferals. Bonnie was in a cage for 2 months after I trapped her. If she was let out of her cage, I'd never even get to touch her to get her used to humans. It took a month to even touch her with a welding glove on. SignatureCheryl .... > It is a common and sensible way to domesticate ferals. Bonnie was > in a cage for 2 months after I trapped her. If she was let out of > her cage, I'd never even get to touch her to get her used to > humans. It took a month to even touch her with a welding glove on. > Cheryl The cage is indeed helpful for ferals, but Evan's cat doesn't sound feral to me. You are just now able to pick Bonnie up, and Evan's cat already is acting like a quite well socialized cat who happened to be homeless when he took her in. The only issue is getting the cat to use the litter box (or go anywhere, for that matter.) I don't see any reason to keep the cat in a cage other than to monitor the litter box usage, or lack thereof, during times when they can't directly observe her. She has to go someplace eventually. It would be really great of it were the litter box. I wonder if she doesn't want to use the box because it is in a cage and she considers it a den more than a bathroom. Personally, if it were me, I think I'd take a chance and leave the cat out of the cage, but probably confined to one room, or ideally, a room with an adjoining bathroom for a litter box location. And give her lots of attention. No guarantees, though on how it would work out. We have a door with peep holes drilled in it that we've used on our stray pets socialization room. We take replace the regular solid door with this one. The stray can see out and we can see in. That makes it a little less isolating. Annie .. > The cage is indeed helpful for ferals, but Evan's cat doesn't sound feral > to me. You are just now able to pick Bonnie up, and Evan's cat already is > acting like a quite well socialized cat who happened to be homeless when > he took her in. ... > Annie I take back what I said about Evan's cat. I read in another post how much effort and time had already gone into the socializing of this cat. Evan has done a great job. And so have you, Cheryl, with Bonnie. It was such a thrill to read your post this morning that you could pick her up. Annie > I take back what I said about Evan's cat. I read in another > post how much effort and time had already gone into the > socializing of this cat. Evan has done a great job. > > And so have you, Cheryl, with Bonnie. It was such a thrill to > read your post this morning that you could pick her up. Thanks Annie. It was a thrill that she let me. :) She hasn't minded being pet and will occasionally jump on my lap for a short time, but to let me pick her up was a huge step. NOt that I want to pick her up all the time, but it would be helpful when it's time for her yearly vet appt. SignatureCheryl Cheryl <jlhshadow@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in news:Xns95EECA2DCF29Bshads@ 216.196.97.136: > to let me pick her up was a huge step Wow, that IS huge! Congratulations!! --Catherine & Rosalie the calico I agree. She should be out of the cage in a room of her own. Gail > .... >> It is a common and sensible way to domesticate ferals. Bonnie was [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > isolating. > Annie > I agree. She should be out of the cage in a room of her own. > Gail I think maybe she has just gotten to the point where she is ready to be uncaged. > .... > > It is a common and sensible way to domesticate ferals. Bonnie was [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > acting like a quite well socialized cat who happened to be homeless when he > took her in. Yes, that's my feeling too. > Right now, she curled up in a kitty bed in the room, so I have to wake > her and put her back into the cage (with the new litter box). [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > trusting!) but I don't want her jumping because of the stiches and it's > only the 3rd day after surgery. I think your cat is ready to make parole. Seems like she's already partially socialized. Are you sure she's feral? Sometimes is hard to tell a feral from an easily frightened stray. Phil Cheryl <jlhshadow@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in news:Xns95ECDA5F112B0shads@ 216.196.97.136: > On Fri 28 Jan 2005 06:07:39p, Evan wrote in > rec.pets.cats.health+behav (news:1106953659.693467.120650 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > feral and sometimes she makes me cry to see how far she's come in > trusting me. It is indeed a beautiful thing. --Catherine & Rosalie the formerly feral calico -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: "Evan" <erajunk@Hotmail.com> >Any advice would be great! Other than not using the bathroom, she >seems very content, purring, stretching, napping... Is it plain, unscented, clay litter? If not, it should be. A little mulch added from the garden was all it took to get our feral to start using the box. And this is kind of a shot in the dark, but you might want to try mixing a few drops of ammonia in some water and then putting a few drops of the solution on the bottom of the box. Might help, might not, but I don't think it would hurt. Just use a little ammonia mixed with a lot of water. It certainly sounds like she should be peeing by now. Best of luck I really don't know much about ferral cats so I'm sheepishly offering a humble opinion. If she is confortable to explore her surroundings a bit and allows you to touch her I don't see any reason to keep her caged. You could always keep her confined to that room until she is ready to be introduced to your other cats. If you leave the cage door open and provide a bed inside and one outside of the cage she will be able to decide on her own when she is ready to come out. You'll want to do as much as you can to make sure that any stress is minimized during her adjustment period. As far as the potty problem goes, if she is eating and drinking she probably should have used the litter by now. I would contact the vet for some advice. Paws up to you for adopting a kitty in need of a home - the rewards she'll bring will be infinite! Best of luck! Finally!! Saturday morning came, and she had slept in the litter-box... at least that's where she was when I pulled back the sheet from the cage. But she was all eager to see us... and came out of the cage stretching, purring, thirsty & hungry. Let her out of the cage, she had some food a drink, and then she nosed around the room a litter. She found her outside the cage litter box, pawed it, and then went! Oh yes, she's a feral... this stage is after 5 months or so. In the beginning we used to see her about once a week. After a couple weeks I would see her and toss some food her way into the bushes (we have a cat and dog, so I had food) but she'd just run. One week I put a little food down in the dirt next to the sidewalk, called her as usual, and walked away, and before I walked away she came running out of nowhere... she had put two & two together. But, she would never get close or eat until we left the area. During the summer she'd come out of nowhere to sit on the sidewalk and watch us walk our dog. She'd follow us too sometimes, but never getting too close. So, she sort of chose us, not the other way around. We noticed that after it got cold she was sleeping around the corner from the front door, in the mulch area, and had made a little nest/indentation there. So, we didn't know what to do and decided to get an outside plastic dog house Like I wrote earlier, in the end, after a long process she stayed mostly on our porch; we live in an apartment complex, and we're next to the woods where she was originally spotted. In the last month, she started rubbing against our legs before being fed and letting us pet her when eating, and running around to the front door if she heard us. We just keep being very calm around her, and realizing things like reaching over her for something can scare her, she doesn't know about litter, etc. I'm just glad she finally "went!" There are a couple of pictures of her still outside at: http://kitty.evanron.com If the link doesn't work yet, try again around 10am EST. > There are a couple of pictures of her still outside at: > http://kitty.evanron.com > If the link doesn't work yet, try again around 10am EST. Is this "Boo"? She is really cute. I think she was very young when you started seeing her and that is why she has socialized so well. I'm so glad she went to the bathroom!! Congratulations :) > There are a couple of pictures of her still outside at: > http://kitty.evanron.com > If the link doesn't work yet, try again around 10am EST. What happened to the other two cats? They are all lovely. > There are a couple of pictures of her still outside at: > http://kitty.evanron.com > If the link doesn't work yet, try again around 10am EST. > What happened to the other two cats? They are all > lovely. The other two cats remain outside, typically staying in the shelters or roaming. We are trying to make plans to trap-neuter-release them in February. The adult calico cat has been hanging around as long as Boo, and they might be sisters. The kitten is new (unfortunately), and the mother we see once in a while and is completely feral - when we try to trap the other 2 you see in the pictures, we'll try for the mother also. Ideally, the other 2 are friendly in their own way and I want to try and find them a barn where they could be happy. Some people are for or against taming even kittens, so I don't think I'd find anyone that wants to tame the kitten... though she is so funny, rolling upside down, looking at our domestic cat (Sulley) through the sliding glass door. They both allow petting when eating. If I already didn't have a dog and cat, and now Boo, I'd take 'em all! > > There are a couple of pictures of her still outside at: > > http://kitty.evanron.com [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > door. They both allow petting when eating. If I already didn't have a > dog and cat, and now Boo, I'd take 'em all! You are a great guy, Evan. You know, if the cats allow petting at all I would think there would be a chance they could be made into pets. I wonder if there is a no-kill shelter near you? Why do you say some people are against taming kittens? > Why do you say some people are against taming kittens? Some people I've spoken with think the idea to tame feral cats is too human, and that's what we do... regardless of how the cat feels about it. They think if the cat is happy living outside, then let it. In our case, Boo seemed to really want to be with us and my wife and we had the idea of finally bringing her inside after she was spayed, and trying it for a few weeks. If she really didn't seem to want to be inside or wasn't adjusting well, then we'd let her back out to live her life without the burden of having kittens. We really liked her a lot and didn't even want to name her until the 2nd day after she was with us because if she had a name it was going to be really hard to let her go back outside if it wasn't working. So far, she is doing really great. I think she sometimes is lonely in her cage (though there are frequent visits) so we're going to start to let her out of the cage more and more... I can tell she sometimes is getting a little sensory overloaded about everything that is new to smell and see, so I think going slowly is the best thing. And yes, right now she is sleeping in one of her litter boxes out of the cage! Maybe one of the litter boxes will be for sleeping and the other one not. Believe me, we've got other hiding places set up for her in the room when she decides she wants to try them. We'll just keep our eye on her as she adjusts and we adjust to her. >> There are a couple of pictures of her still outside at: >> http://kitty.evanron.com [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > door. They both allow petting when eating. If I already didn't have a > dog and cat, and now Boo, I'd take 'em all! Cats are like potato chips..... Hey, I grew up with 6 cats and three dogs in a small (926 sq. ft.) house. It didn't seem like too many. > > There are a couple of pictures of her still outside at: > > http://kitty.evanron.com [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The other two cats remain outside, typically staying in the shelters or > roaming. You're doing a good thing! I wish there were more people like you! If you don't mind, I'd like to give you a few (inexpensive) tips to improve the ferals' quality of life. First, the shelters and openings are too big, they need to be smaller and off the ground to hold cats' body heat. Try to make the openings smaller and face the opening away from the wind - close to and facing the building. Here's a good design: http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/downloads/shelter_plans.pdf If possible, don't use blankets, newspapers/cardbord or towels inside the shelter because they retain moisture and actually draw heat out of the cats. Use staw or hay, if you can, over a "space blanket" (special mylar - $1-$2 ea). http://www.healthyharvest.com/product_info.php?products_id=690 The two most important goals are keeping the cats dry and warm. You can also use Flexi-Mat Mysterious Purr Pads - these definitely keep cats warm, however, they must be kept dry and off the ground. ~$10 for 2, 20"x20" pads. The 2-pack allows you switch pads if one gets damp (cat comes in from the rain or snow). http://www.petco.com/product_info.asp?sku=3460176085&dept_id=%2D2 We are trying to make plans to trap-neuter-release them in > February. The adult calico cat has been hanging around as long as Boo, > and they might be sisters. The kitten is new (unfortunately), and the > mother we see once in a while and is completely feral - when we try to > trap the other 2 you see in the pictures, we'll try for the mother > also. Which type of trap are you using? Don't forget to cover the wire base with newspaper and spray the trap with catnip or Feliway. I also spray a path leading into the trap. The best bait for males is female urine - especially "female-in-heat" urine. But its not quite the right time. > Ideally, the other 2 are friendly in their own way and I want to try > and find them a barn where they could be happy. Some people are for or [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > door. They both allow petting when eating. If I already didn't have a > dog and cat, and now Boo, I'd take 'em all! You've got yourself your own little colony! ;-)) That's absolutely great! One of the many benefits of being a "Colony Manager" is job security! ;-) You'll never be out of work and no matter how many times I've screwed up, the cats have never fired me! LOL! Here's a great site (and great organization) where you can find a lot of sage information about ferals. http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/info/wintershelter.htm I gotta tell you, you seem to have a natural knack (and love) for ferals. You might want to think about socializing the kittens yourself after they're neutered and then finding them a home. Two of my cats are x-ferals; one was three months and other about 6 months when I trapped them. They're now 5 and 12 years old and perfectly adapted. You're doing a wonderful thing. Thanks for caring! Best of luck, Phil. "With the qualities of cleanliness, discretion, affection, patience, dignity, and courage that cats have, how many of us, I ask you, would be capable of being cats?' --Fernand Mery Feline Healthcare & More: <http://maxshouse.com> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline_Health_and_Behavior/ ...> Oh yes, she's a feral... this stage is after 5 months or so. > litter, etc. I'm just glad she finally "went!" ... Congratulations! I have had trouble keeping up with the messages and didn't realize you had already done so much work with her previously. Double and triple congratulations for a job well done! Annie > Finally!!< HOORAY! Congrats! This ng has sorta become like a soap opera! Tune in for the next episode of As Our Cats Turn! ;) Seriously though, it's great and I popped on this morning to see if there was any news about little feralina and the litter box. So glad! addicted to the newsgroups, Pam > > Finally!!< > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Seriously though, it's great and I popped on this morning to see if > there was any news about little feralina and the litter box. So glad! And the best thing is, another cat is out of the cold and has a forever home with a good person. Yeah! Glad your little girl decided it was okay to go. She just didn't want to be rushed. That's great that you could take her in, she's a cutie. Rhonda > Let her out of the cage, she had some food a drink, and then she nosed > around the room a litter. She found her outside the cage litter box, > pawed it, and then went! > Finally!! Saturday morning came, and she had slept in the > litter-box... at least that's where she was when I pulled back the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > around the room a litter. She found her outside the cage litter box, > pawed it, and then went! Cats generally don't eliminate where they eat or sleep. That's probably why she's isn't using the box in the cage. Also, don't put her food anywhere near a litterbox. You're doing a good thing! Phil. "It is difficult to obtain the friendship of a cat. It is a philosophical animal... one that does not place its affections thoughtlessly." - unknown Feline Healthcare & more: www.maxshouse.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline_Health_and_Behavior/ Thanks, the one pic of a large open box with the kitten in it is not a shelter... it has food/water bowl way in the back so that it doesn't get rained/snowed on. We put lots straw in the 2 shelters and they seem to like to make a nest in there are curl up. The 2nd shelter is a medium size box with 2 small holes at front and back. Boo Update: We pulled the litter box that was in the cage and put it in the room -- so that there are 2 litterboxes in the room. We let Boo sleep outside the cage (but we keep the food in there) for the first time Saturday night and she likes it a lot, of course. She used both litter boxes this morning! So, she is on her way to becoming spoiled. Right now she is sleeping on what is becoming a favorite chair. I posted an updated picture of her sleeping at http://kitty.evanron.com! Thanks!! Evan http://kitty.evanron.com > http://kitty.evanron.com She is clearly so happy to be home. This good thing you are doing will come back to you tenfold. > Thanks, the one pic of a large open box with the kitten in it is not a > shelter... it has food/water bowl way in the back so that it doesn't [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Thanks!! > Evan OH yeah. She's got upside downey head going on. She's at home. > > Thanks, the one pic of a large open box with the kitten in it is not a > > shelter... it has food/water bowl way in the back so that it doesn't [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > > OH yeah. She's got upside downey head going on. She's at home. Amen. Lovely to see. :-) Priscilla Signature"It is very, very dangerous to treat any human, lowest of the low even, with contempt and arrogant whatever. The Lord takes this kind of treatment very, very personal." - QBaal in newsgroup alt.religion.christian.episcopal > Thanks, the one pic of a large open box with the kitten in it is not a > shelter... it has food/water bowl way in the back so that it doesn't [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > this morning! So, she is on her way to becoming spoiled. Right now > she is sleeping on what is becoming a favorite chair. Super!! I love to hear stories like this. > Boo Update: > We pulled the litter box that was in the cage and put it in the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > to becoming spoiled. Right now she is sleeping on what is > becoming a favorite chair. That's great! Glad you've found a solution. :) > I posted an updated picture of her sleeping at > http://kitty.evanron.com! She looks very very happy! SignatureCheryl Good Morning everyone, this is Evan's wife Lauri with a new update for Boo! Last night I went in to visit her and sat down on the floor and she decided to do something she has not yet done.......sit on my lap! She was a cuddly kitty and with being very cautious not to overstimulate her she sat there for a good 3-4 minutes wanting to be pet behind her ears as she was licking my hand (I call them kitty kisses). This morning I went in to see her before leaving for work and she wouldn't leave my side. It actually took me a minute to get back out of the room or she would have come right out with me lol. I sat down again and crossed my legs and there she came right up again on my lap and lounged. I think this is a huge step for her!! It is so nice to see other people that appreciate what Evan and I are doing and tonight I will hopefully be able to post a pic of her in her mommy's lap! :-) > Good Morning everyone, this is Evan's wife Lauri with a new update for > Boo! Last night I went in to visit her and sat down on the floor and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > tonight I will hopefully be able to post a pic of her in her mommy's > lap! :-) This is wonderful! I've socialized a feral, so I know how big these steps really are. My former feral actually tolerated my leaning over him and cuddling him on the couch yesterday, and he even purred when I nuzzled my face into his side. This is the guy who took 16 days before he'd let me touch him with my hand. He is also, interestingly, the one of my four who most likes being combed and brushed. Priscilla Signature"It is very, very dangerous to treat any human, lowest of the low even, with contempt and arrogant whatever. The Lord takes this kind of treatment very, very personal." - QBaal in newsgroup alt.religion.christian.episcopal > I've socialized a feral, so I know how big these > steps really are. My former feral actually tolerated my leaning [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > is also, interestingly, the one of my four who most likes being > combed and brushed. YAY! I get so amazed at every baby step Bonnie takes. When I first trapped her and took her in, I thought she was 4-6 months old. Seeing these kittens (Scarlett and Rhett) grow up, I now know that I have no idea how to approximate the age of a cat and she was probably way older. SignatureCheryl > > I've socialized a feral, so I know how big these > > steps really are. My former feral actually tolerated my leaning [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > kittens (Scarlett and Rhett) grow up, I now know that I have no idea > how to approximate the age of a cat and she was probably way older. Older ferals can be a real challenge. Sebbie was at *least* 12 weeks old when he was rescued and I took him home. He's now, hmmmm, coming up on five years? Five on 2/15! I'm going to have to give a little kitty party. Maybe I'll give him some sardines. They were one of his socializing treats. He's a big snuggle bug now, although he does have his very clear limits. No two hands coming at him simultaneously. No picking up. No sudden moves. No approaching him while looking at him. Like that. But if I'm horizontal on the sofa, he's all over me. :-) Priscilla > Older ferals can be a real challenge. Sebbie was at *least* 12 > weeks old when he was rescued and I took him home. He's now, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > sudden moves. No approaching him while looking at him. Like > that. But if I'm horizontal on the sofa, he's all over me. :-) That's how Bonnie is. I remember the first time she slept on my bed, I was almost moved to tears. She ran away if I moved, so if she was up there I'd stay completely still. Another thing that freaks Bonnie out is if I'm wearing shoes around the house. Which is strange because she has a foot fetish. My feet were the first thing that she reached out to touch on me. :) She'd plop down on them if I was watching TV or on the computer. Shoes? Back to feral behavior. Even now, no improvement at all. Fine, I don't like shoes anyway. :) SignatureCheryl > Good Morning everyone, this is Evan's wife Lauri with a new update for > Boo! Hi Lauri! We love to hear about Boo! Last night I went in to visit her and sat down on the floor and > she decided to do something she has not yet done.......sit on my lap! > She was a cuddly kitty and with being very cautious not to > overstimulate her she sat there for a good 3-4 minutes wanting to be > pet behind her ears as she was licking my hand (I call them kitty > kisses). Awww ... that's what they are all right! This morning I went in to see her before leaving for work and > she wouldn't leave my side. It actually took me a minute to get back > out of the room or she would have come right out with me lol. I sat [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > tonight I will hopefully be able to post a pic of her in her mommy's > lap! :-) Can't wait to see it. If everyone were as good as you and Evan there would be many less cats suffering in this world. You and Evan are doing a wonderful job. Last fall I had my first experience with feral cat rescue. I did keep one of the kittens You can read about the cats at http://kittens-3.blogspot.com/ Ann > Good Morning everyone, this is Evan's wife Lauri with a new update for > Boo! Last night I went in to visit her and sat down on the floor and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > tonight I will hopefully be able to post a pic of her in her mommy's > lap! :-) Could you verify your link... the blog doesn't come up. The error is: "Not Found The requested URL was not found on this server. Please visit the Blogger homepage or the Blogger Knowledge Base for further assistance. " I checked the link and I worked for me. I did republish it. Maybe that will fix the link. Ann > Could you verify your link... the blog doesn't come up. The error is: > "Not Found > > The requested URL was not found on this server. Please visit the > Blogger homepage or the Blogger Knowledge Base for further assistance. " Hmmm... still didn't work. But, this did: http://kittens-3.blogspot.com Thanks! Good the hear it worked. It turned out to be quite a project to rescue the cats but, it is so rewarding to know they have a home. You are doing a good thing helping the cat. Sounds like you are doing things right and asking for advice when you are not sure. I can't begin to name all the people that answered my questions and offered advice. Here are some pictures of Sam. http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ann791/my_photos Ann > Hmmm... still didn't work. But, this did: > http://kittens-3.blogspot.com > > Thanks! > Good the hear it worked. It turned out to be quite a project to rescue the > cats but, it is so rewarding to know they have a home. You are doing a good [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ann791/my_photos > Ann Sam is so beautiful--he really looks like a Maine Coon doesn't he? I particularly like photo #4--that should win some sort of kitty portrait award. I would love to hear some stories about him. > Good the hear it worked. It turned out to be quite a project to rescue the > cats but, it is so rewarding to know they have a home. You are doing a good [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Here are some pictures of Sam. > http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ann791/my_photos Aaawwww! He looks a lot like my Sebastian, although Sebbie has a white triangle over his mouth as well as the other white bits. Aren't LH brown tabbies gorgeous? :-) Priscilla Signature"It is very, very dangerous to treat any human, lowest of the low even, with contempt and arrogant whatever. The Lord takes this kind of treatment very, very personal." - QBaal in newsgroup alt.religion.christian.episcopal Your Sam looks like our Sulley! He is a cutie pie! We adopted Sulley about 2.5 yrs. ago. I don't know what I am going to do having to leave Boo again for work tomorrow. I just want to stay in the room and be with her all day! Especially since she now cuddles with her mommy (that's me!) :-)
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