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Jean B. - 22 Jan 2005 13:01 GMT I am wondering whether this sounds like a urinary tract infection? Or could this be leading up to a blockage?
Mingy (male) has been spending a long time in the box/halfway in the litterbox, and yesterday I caught him urinating a bit on the floor right after he got out of the box. I also stepped in a puddle on my bedroom rug, and Mingy NEVER pees outside the box. This morning, there were little puddles in several places in the kitchen. No real good pees in the box, although what seem to have been little dribbles/drips. (I use clumping litter.) This is a bit strange because just the previous night, his litter box was quite full of seemingly normal deposits of both ilks (even though his strange behavior had been going on for a few days). Now it looks like he is not excreting normally, although he is excreting. God only knows how I will get him to the vet's before Monday (I think my vet's office is not open on the weekend, and we are about to have a blizzard), but I will have to do that somehow. At best, if I don't, I'll be finding more puddles. At worst, he could deteriorate further, and I don't know how that would manifest itself.... I do understand that cats can deteriorate very quickly though, and I don't want to risk that.
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---MIKE--- - 22 Jan 2005 13:54 GMT This sounds like all the symptoms of a blockage. DON'T wait until Monday. Take him to an emergency vet right away. If you wait, you could lose him!
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Jean B. - 22 Jan 2005 14:42 GMT > This sounds like all the symptoms of a blockage. DON'T wait until > Monday. Take him to an emergency vet right away. If you wait, you > could lose him! > > ---MIKE--- Yup! I have an appointment for ca an hour from now at an emergency vet hospital. To the degree I do things right and quickly, it is because I have absorbed things from this group. (Thank goodness!)
Poor baby. It is about zero here, and we have a blizzard warning starting at noon.... Good timing, but I just have to take care of Mingy, who hates the vet and is going to hate this whole experience.
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Karen Chuplis - 22 Jan 2005 14:51 GMT >> This sounds like all the symptoms of a blockage. DON'T wait until >> Monday. Take him to an emergency vet right away. If you wait, you [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Mingy, who hates the vet and is going to hate this whole > experience. Poor Mingy. I'm glad you found a vet!!! He would hate it worse if he could not get help. Keep us posted.
Jean B. - 22 Jan 2005 20:48 GMT > >> This sounds like all the symptoms of a blockage. DON'T wait until > >> Monday. Take him to an emergency vet right away. If you wait, you [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Poor Mingy. I'm glad you found a vet!!! He would hate it worse if he could > not get help. Keep us posted. Yes, I figure this is like dealing with a baby, who you can't explain things to. He doesn't understand, but it has to be done. The tech thought he wasn't blocked, but it turned out he was partially blocked, and it was wise to unblock him and leave him overnight*, with an catheter and an IV. So that is what I have done. The big problems are 1) he is so shy and scared of other cats, this this has to be extremely traumatic for him, and 2) this is complicated by the fact that we are about to be hit by a major blizzard in the Boston area, so I am not sure I will even be able to rescue him tomorrow, if they say he can come home. I have already warned my friend that if he can come home, and it is humanly possible to get him, I will need help doing so. (He is a lot more comfortable driving in the snow than I am.)
I have to say I was very upset when I got this news, because I know this is going to be so hard for Mingy.... I guess they see a lot of this though................
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---MIKE--- - 22 Jan 2005 14:59 GMT I'm glad you are going to take care of this. I had -21F this morning but we are supposed to miss most of the storm here in northern New Hampshire. Believe it or not, we need the snow. The snowmobile trails don't have enough snow and the local businesses are really hurting.
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Jean B. - 22 Jan 2005 20:41 GMT > I'm glad you are going to take care of this. I had -21F this morning > but we are supposed to miss most of the storm here in northern New > Hampshire. Believe it or not, we need the snow. The snowmobile trails > don't have enough snow and the local businesses are really hurting. > > ---MIKE--- I am in the Boston area--one or two feet of snow, with up to six-foot drifts predicted. The worst thing about this is I may not be able to retrieve Mingy tomorrow, assuming he is ready to come home in the afternoon. I am so upset about his having to stay, because he is very shy and is scared of other cats. I think when the doctor calls (soon--which is why I didn't go back out while I could), I may suggest they cover his cage a bit so he can feel safer....
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Cat Protector - 22 Jan 2005 21:38 GMT It makes me glad I live in the Phoenix area and don't have to face this. I hope Mingy gets better.
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> I am in the Boston area--one or two feet of snow, with up to > six-foot drifts predicted. The worst thing about this is I may [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > while I could), I may suggest they cover his cage a bit so he can > feel safer.... Jean B. - 22 Jan 2005 22:42 GMT > It makes me glad I live in the Phoenix area and don't have to face this. I > hope Mingy gets better. Just a bad coincidence that he landed in the hospital when the blizzard was on its way. I do hope that, one way or another, I have him back here tomorrow night.
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KellyH - 22 Jan 2005 22:54 GMT > I am in the Boston area--one or two feet of snow, with up to > six-foot drifts predicted. The worst thing about this is I may [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > while I could), I may suggest they cover his cage a bit so he can > feel safer.... Hello Jean. I'm also in the Boston area and the forecast keeps getting worse and worse. I'm north of Boston and at first we were only 8-12", but now it's looking like 2 feet. I'm on standby to take care of the shelter animals tomorrow since I'm very close. Anyway, I've also been through the UTI/blockage road with a cat that absolutely hates strangers and being away from home. My poor Bartleby would not pee at the vet's and they ended up having to put in a catheter. Poor baby also had to get an e-collar :( He stayed at the vet's at least 24 hrs. You and Mingy are very lucky that you got him in today. It may be impossible to get out tomorrow.
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Jean B. - 22 Jan 2005 23:18 GMT > Hello Jean. I'm also in the Boston area and the forecast keeps getting > worse and worse. I'm north of Boston and at first we were only 8-12", but [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > B. Sigh on all counts. Do I dare turn on the radio? I try to tell myself it will be what it is........
I was lucky I had access to this hospital, and that I got him in there! Imagine if he was here just getting worse, maybe critically ill. I believe in the irony of life, so tonight would probably have been the night it became apparent he was very ill............... Better to have him there.
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Cat Protector - 23 Jan 2005 00:36 GMT Icarus also doesn't like strange people handling him. I was glad the vet was patient and understanding as Icarus was not too happy to be there. I hope your cat pulls through Jean.
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> Hello Jean. I'm also in the Boston area and the forecast keeps getting > worse and worse. I'm north of Boston and at first we were only 8-12", but [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > You and Mingy are very lucky that you got him in today. It may be > impossible to get out tomorrow. Jean B. - 23 Jan 2005 01:03 GMT > Icarus also doesn't like strange people handling him. I was glad the vet was > patient and understanding as Icarus was not too happy to be there. I hope > your cat pulls through Jean. Thanks. I'll be more confident when he is home and (mentally) comfortable. I think being stressed out is not going to help him, but we have to do what is medically necessary first.
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Rhonda - 22 Jan 2005 23:58 GMT Jean,
I don't know if it's too late for you to go back out -- but maybe you could leave a dirty shirt, or a blanket/towel with your scent on it for Mingy. Maybe he would cuddle up in that.
Sounds like he's in good hands. Fingers are crossed that the roads are passable when he's ready to come home!
Keep us posted,
Rhonda
> I am in the Boston area--one or two feet of snow, with up to > six-foot drifts predicted. The worst thing about this is I may [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > while I could), I may suggest they cover his cage a bit so he can > feel safer.... Jean B. - 23 Jan 2005 01:00 GMT > Jean, > > I don't know if it's too late for you to go back out -- but maybe you > could leave a dirty shirt, or a blanket/towel with your scent on it for > Mingy. Maybe he would cuddle up in that. I did leave a towel, but it's not as full of my scent as it might have been. Only after it was too late did I think I should have brought a shirt. Next time I ever go to such a place and there is ANY possibility he might have to stay there, I will remember to bring a shirt!
> Sounds like he's in good hands. Fingers are crossed that the roads are > passable when he's ready to come home! I sure hope so.
> Keep us posted, Yes, will do.
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Rhonda - 22 Jan 2005 15:01 GMT Poor guy, has to get sick during a blizzard.
Please let us know how he's doing. I'm glad you noticed this right away and are getting him in so quickly! You're a good cat-mom.
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> Yup! I have an appointment for ca an hour from now at an > emergency vet hospital. To the degree I do things right and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Mingy, who hates the vet and is going to hate this whole > experience. Jean B. - 22 Jan 2005 20:56 GMT > Poor guy, has to get sick during a blizzard. > > Please let us know how he's doing. I'm glad you noticed this right away > and are getting him in so quickly! You're a good cat-mom. > > Rhonda Thanks, Rhonda. To the degree I am a good cat-mom, I owe it to this group and the information I have (miraculously) absorbed, and to my friend, Dave, whose cat almost died from a blockage a few years ago. In a way, the blizzard also played a role, because I knew I could not afford to wait to see what happened, because I wouldn't have been able to get Mingy anywhere if I did.
Other mitigating circumstances: Mingy is an indoor cat, so I can see what is happening in his litterbox; and said litterbox is in the kitchen, so I frequently see him using it. One thing I can say, which may be useful to others, is that although I didn't see Mingy straining (which is what I always read), he had started spending a LONG time in the box. That is one thing I now will be on the lookout for and will advise others to file away in their minds. If you know your cat is usually in and out of the box pretty quickly, and you notice him/her staying in there a lot longer, your antennae should go up.
Really, though, I caught this very early. He was partially blocked. It could have been much worse. (Now, we need the reports on the cause....) Just pray Mingy is not too, too freaked out while he is at the Veterinarian Hospital.
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Cheryl - 22 Jan 2005 21:25 GMT > Really, though, I caught this very early. He was partially > blocked. It could have been much worse. (Now, we need the > reports on the cause....) Just pray Mingy is not too, too freaked > out while he is at the Veterinarian Hospital. I'm very glad that you did catch it early! Good job on your part! We're going to send prayers and purrs that Mingy is just fine at the vet hospital until you get to bring him home. Hopefully you don't get as much snow as they are calling for. I'm in Maryland and it's already stopped here. It moved very quickly out, and we ended up with only about 6".
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Jean B. - 22 Jan 2005 21:33 GMT > I'm very glad that you did catch it early! Good job on your part! > We're going to send prayers and purrs that Mingy is just fine at the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > Cheryl Oh, I sure hope we only get 6 inches. That would help. I would feel so bad if I couldn't retrieve Mingy the second he is allowed to come home. He will be so much happier here. (I wish the vet would call, so I can go back out and get a new box.............)
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Cheryl - 22 Jan 2005 21:41 GMT > Oh, I sure hope we only get 6 inches. That would help. I would > feel so bad if I couldn't retrieve Mingy the second he is allowed > to come home. He will be so much happier here. (I wish the vet > would call, so I can go back out and get a new box.............) Oh, you might get more than 6". lol But, it looks like NYC might get hammered and the storm go out to sea from there. Stay safe and warm!!
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Karen Chuplis - 22 Jan 2005 22:10 GMT >> Oh, I sure hope we only get 6 inches. That would help. I would >> feel so bad if I couldn't retrieve Mingy the second he is allowed [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > hammered and the storm go out to sea from there. Stay safe and > warm!! Philly looks AWFUL.
Jean B. - 22 Jan 2005 22:43 GMT > > Oh, you might get more than 6". lol But, it looks like NYC might get [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > -- > Cheryl I guess it will be what it will be. I have no control over that. At least Mingy is safe too. (And I asked about the staff during the storm too!)
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Arjun Ray - 22 Jan 2005 22:45 GMT > Oh, you might get more than 6". lol But, it looks like NYC might get > hammered and the storm go out to sea from there. Stay safe and warm!! We are indeed getting hammered in NYC. Casual empiricism through the window...looks like at least 4-5" already, no signs of letting up. The forecast said something about high winds too, but that hasn't happened yet.
Mary - 22 Jan 2005 22:57 GMT > > Oh, you might get more than 6". lol But, it looks like NYC might get > > hammered and the storm go out to sea from there. Stay safe and warm!! > > We are indeed getting hammered in NYC. Casual empiricism through the > window...looks like at least 4-5" already, no signs of letting up. The > forecast said something about high winds too, but that hasn't happened yet. Stay in and stay toasty. At least you are in a place where they know what to do when in snows. Last wednesday, 2 inches paralyzed the "city" of Raleigh, NC because it was really cold and it froze as soon as it hit the ground. It hit at about 12-2pm and nobody forecast it--so 56 schools in my county had children spend the NIGHT at school because they could not get home due to gridlock. I was traveling home from a business trip in Virginia, and spent two hours creeping along before I finally eased my car into a ditch and walked home. When I got to my street, there was a roadblock on it and three stranded schoolbuses, one across my driveway, on my street.
Jean B. - 22 Jan 2005 23:19 GMT > Stay in and stay toasty. At least you are in a place where they know what to > do when in snows. Last wednesday, 2 inches paralyzed the "city" of Raleigh, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > walked home. When I got to my street, there was a roadblock on it and > three stranded schoolbuses, one across my driveway, on my street. That sounds just awful! I agree, that at least here we are prepared and used to it. Doesn't mean the schools are always smart though. They made the kids go to school in spite of the forecast a few years ago--and it was very hard to get them home.
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Cathy Friedmann - 22 Jan 2005 23:28 GMT > > Stay in and stay toasty. At least you are in a place where they know what to > > do when in snows. Last wednesday, 2 inches paralyzed the "city" of Raleigh, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > smart though. They made the kids go to school in spite of the > forecast a few years ago--and it was very hard to get them home. The Syracuse city schools made that mistake a few years ago - despite a winter storm warning, they held school, & then couldn't get the kids home that night. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the kids thought it was a fun adventure - whereas all of the adults.... ;-)
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Cheryl - 22 Jan 2005 23:51 GMT > The Syracuse city schools made that mistake a few years ago - > despite a winter storm warning, they held school, & then > couldn't get the kids home that night. I wouldn't be surprised > if most of the kids thought it was a fun adventure - whereas all > of the adults.... ;-) Down here, decisions to close or delay schools play a huge part in rush hour traffic. If normal rush hour is affected because of snow, and federal government employees have to go in on time, and school buses with their stops occur on the side roads, that is automatic gridlock on the capital beltway and other heavily travelled roads on top of the norm. Gridlock is a major issue in the normal politics of the DC area, so sometimes I think they adjust school hours just so it doesn't interfere with traffic. Messed up. Then again, there are too many accidents with kids involved, so the one effects the other. Then, if parents have to be late for work, they bitch about that too.
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Jean B. - 23 Jan 2005 00:52 GMT > The Syracuse city schools made that mistake a few years ago - despite a > winter storm warning, they held school, & then couldn't get the kids home > that night. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the kids thought it was a > fun adventure - whereas all of the adults.... ;-) > > Cathy Well, I kept my daughter home. And I also called the superintendent of schools and found out it is the parents' perogative to make the judgment call.
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Cathy Friedmann - 23 Jan 2005 01:03 GMT > > The Syracuse city schools made that mistake a few years ago - despite a > > winter storm warning, they held school, & then couldn't get the kids home [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > superintendent of schools and found out it is the parents' > perogative to make the judgment call. Oh, yes, it is. Otoh, I don't know how the attendance would be marked in that instance. IOW - it may technically be an "illegal" absence - as would be marked if on a family vacation while school's in session, for example. Otoh... so what? If the forecast is a virtual for-sure deal & it'll be too lousy/dangerous to be out on the roads, it makes more sense to keep the child at home, IMO.
There was one day in the mid-90's when we had school, even though there was a winter storm warning posted for the rest of the day, & the roads were *horrendous*. It was snowing at the rate of a few inches/hour, & even with no wind, it was a white-out - you couldn't tell where the side of the road was, one could barely read those huge green signs before exits - even when _right_ next to them, etc. It was a guessing game, as to just keeping on the road. I kept asking myself why on earth I was risking an accident just to go into work for one day... It's normally a 15 minute or less drive to school. I don't remember how long it took me to get to work that morning, but it took me an hour+ to get home that afternoon - *after* digging the car out of the parking lot. When I got home that afternoon, the snow in my driveway was considerably above my knees - about 26" deep.
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Mary - 22 Jan 2005 23:41 GMT > > Stay in and stay toasty. At least you are in a place where they know what to do when in snows. Last wednesday, 2 inches paralyzed the "city" of Raleigh, NC [...]
> That sounds just awful! I agree, that at least here we are prepared and used to it. Doesn't mean the schools are always smart though. They made the kids go to school in spite of the forecast a few years ago--and it was very hard to get them home.
That really bugs me. The administrators are all worried about "making up snow days" when the safety of the children is the most important thing.
Cathy Friedmann - 22 Jan 2005 23:40 GMT > > > Stay in and stay toasty. At least you are in a place where they know > what to do when in snows. Last wednesday, 2 inches paralyzed the "city" of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > That really bugs me. The administrators are all worried about "making up > snow days" when the safety of the children is the most important thing. That's partially true, I think, but otoh, they can't win. If they close school they can also get crabbed at, re: working parents having to find babysitters on short notice.
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Cheryl - 22 Jan 2005 23:14 GMT >> Oh, you might get more than 6". lol But, it looks like NYC >> might get hammered and the storm go out to sea from there. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > of letting up. The forecast said something about high winds too, > but that hasn't happened yet. I see that! The radar has changed from blue and green, to red and yellow. That low must have formed. Stay safe!! At least you'se don't drive up there!
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Phil P. - 23 Jan 2005 23:25 GMT > > Oh, you might get more than 6". lol But, it looks like NYC might get > > hammered and the storm go out to sea from there. Stay safe and warm!! > > We are indeed getting hammered in NYC. Casual empiricism through the > window...looks like at least 4-5" already, no signs of letting up. The > forecast said something about high winds too, but that hasn't happened yet. How come you ain't out there digging out the feral shelters, too, huh? ;-)
Btw, Bryan at NC disagrees with my idea of 25 mm, 4-layer poloycarbonate roofs for shelters. I think the poloycarbonate will produce a greenhouse effect and keep the shelters a little warmer - as long as the sun is shinning.
Whatdaya think?
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Arjun Ray - 23 Jan 2005 23:36 GMT > How come you ain't out there digging out the feral shelters, too, huh? ;-) I'd have to get out of the house first - not easy, the sanitation department trucks cleared the main road by moving everything onto the side streets.
But my church colony is safe: they hang out in the basement of the church.
> Btw, Bryan at NC disagrees with my idea of 25 mm, 4-layer poloycarbonate > roofs for shelters. I think the poloycarbonate will produce a greenhouse > effect and keep the shelters a little warmer - as long as the sun is > shinning. > > Whatdaya think? Is such material properly insulative? That is, being conductive in some sense, couldn't they radiate heat outward also? I haven't spoken with Bryan, so I don't know the reasons for his disagreement, but I'll hazard the guess that he's going with the theory of trapping body heat (with insulation all around) as the main design principle of a shelter.
I'd love to see a design that successfully trapped outside heat.
Phil P. - 24 Jan 2005 00:23 GMT > > How come you ain't out there digging out the feral shelters, too, huh? ;-) > > I'd have to get out of the house first - not easy, the sanitation > department trucks cleared the main road by moving everything onto the > side streets. I'm a Bronx kid - got buried in many times. I think the cops told Sanatation to bury my whole neighborhood every time it snowed! We couldn't even park on the Avenue.
> But my church colony is safe: they hang out in the basement of the church. ooo That's great!
> > Btw, Bryan at NC disagrees with my idea of 25 mm, 4-layer poloycarbonate > > roofs for shelters. I think the poloycarbonate will produce a greenhouse [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Is such material properly insulative? That is, being conductive in some > sense, couldn't they radiate heat outward also? No, its 25mm (1 inch) thick, 4-layers. I was also thinking using 16 mm 2-layer poloycarbonate for a pitched roof and gables on top of the 25 mm ceiling. I have a supplier in MN who will cut the polycarbonate to size.
I haven't spoken with Bryan,
> so I don't know the reasons for his disagreement, but I'll hazard the > guess that he's going with the theory of trapping body heat (with > insulation all around) as the main design principle of a shelter. He thinks the cats won't feel secure with a clear roof. He has a point. Cats like to snuggle in dark cozy places. But cats also like to sleep in the sun. I think they'd prefer warmth in the winter. The roof is easily interchangeable or covered with a reflective surface for the warmer months.
The overall design stays the same.
I'm also working on a bi-level shelter with an open ground floor and wind breakers.
> I'd love to see a design that successfully trapped outside heat. Gimme your email addy and I'll send you the plans.
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Arjun Ray - 24 Jan 2005 02:39 GMT >> But my church colony is safe: they hang out in the basement of the >> church. > > ooo That's great! They also sneak into the basement of the parish hall next door (I suspect because the heating in that building is better). A minor nusiance for the church staff, but they're used to the cats, and quite pleased with the idea that there won't be more of them! (One interesting aspect of having caught the last intact female back in Aug 03 has been the drop in the number of alien toms um, passing through.)
> [Bryan] thinks the cats won't feel secure with a clear roof. He has a > point. Cats like to snuggle in dark cozy places. Ah, okay.
> But cats also like to sleep in the sun. I think they'd prefer warmth > in the winter. The roof is easily interchangeable or covered with a > reflective surface for the warmer months. It's tough to find a place exposed to sunlight that isn't also exposed to wind (the major problem in the city, where houses only make the wind tunnel effects worse). Generally the strategy for shelter placement has been with the wind in mind.
>> I'd love to see a design that successfully trapped outside heat. > > Gimme your email addy and I'll send you the plans. I have two. nyct.net instead of nmds.com.invalid in the address I'm posting with, or the formula firstname.lastname@verizon.net. If you aren't subscribed already, you could join the NYCferals@yahoogroups.com mailing list and upload the plans to the Files section too.
Phil P. - 25 Jan 2005 18:14 GMT > >> But my church colony is safe: they hang out in the basement of the > >> church. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > tunnel effects worse). Generally the strategy for shelter placement has > been with the wind in mind. The purpose of the pitched polycarbonate roof is that the shelter entrance can be faced away from the wind in any direction while allowing the sun to warm the shelter. A wind barrier can also be placed a foot in front of the entrance.
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> >> I'd love to see a design that successfully trapped outside heat. You know those thick plastic strips that hang in open doorways of warehouses to keep the heat in while trucks are loaded and unloaded? I'm wondering about attaching small ones to shelters -- one strip every few days so the cats used to going through them a little at a time. Cat flaps are generally a no-no for feral shelters, but I think attaching the strips one at time every few days might work.
I also bought a case of "Space Blankets" (thin mylar) that reflect 80% of body heat and cover the space blankets with straw.
> > Gimme your email addy and I'll send you the plans. > > I have two. nyct.net instead of nmds.com.invalid in the address I'm > posting with, or the formula firstname.lastname@verizon.net. They're on the way
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Karen Chuplis - 22 Jan 2005 22:00 GMT >> I'm very glad that you did catch it early! Good job on your part! >> We're going to send prayers and purrs that Mingy is just fine at the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > to come home. He will be so much happier here. (I wish the vet > would call, so I can go back out and get a new box.............) Well, remember to use good judgement. Mingy wants a LIVE meowmie not one stuck in a snow bank.
Jean B. - 22 Jan 2005 22:53 GMT > Well, remember to use good judgement. Mingy wants a LIVE meowmie not one > stuck in a snow bank. Yeah, I would have turned around if it was bad. I hate driving in the snow.
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Cathy Friedmann - 22 Jan 2005 23:30 GMT > > Well, remember to use good judgement. Mingy wants a LIVE meowmie not one > > stuck in a snow bank. > > Yeah, I would have turned around if it was bad. I hate driving in > the snow. I didn't mind it as much when I was younger as I do now. Otoh, I've also discovered that having tires suited for snow (besides front-wheel Vs. rear-wheel drive) can make a great deal of difference.
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Jean B. - 23 Jan 2005 00:53 GMT > > I didn't mind it as much when I was younger as I do now. Otoh, I've also > discovered that having tires suited for snow (besides front-wheel Vs. > rear-wheel drive) can make a great deal of difference. > > Cathy I have AWD--but you still have to stop and turn.... I wish I had snow tires....
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Cathy Friedmann - 23 Jan 2005 00:49 GMT > > I didn't mind it as much when I was younger as I do now. Otoh, I've also > > discovered that having tires suited for snow (besides front-wheel Vs. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I have AWD--but you still have to stop and turn.... I wish I had > snow tires.... In the 70's, when I had studded snow tires for each winter, but rear-wheel drive - ackkk. Front-wheel drive has helped a lot. So I imagine the AWD must be considerably better.
Otoh, I no longer have dedicated snow tires - just all-weather radials, but... changing from one sort of all-weather radial tire to another can make a BIG difference, IME.
Cathy
Jean B. - 23 Jan 2005 01:13 GMT > In the 70's, when I had studded snow tires for each winter, but rear-wheel > drive - ackkk. Front-wheel drive has helped a lot. So I imagine the AWD [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Cathy I had to get new tires recently, and the dealership recommended Michelins. Their tread doesn't seem to be as pronounced as it was on the tires I had.....
BTW, friend had a BMW. Problem is they are RWD. :-( He had to get a new car to get AWD. (He got a Mercedes, which he loathes.) I note the young girl across the street, newbie driver, has a little BMW and am thinking that is not the smartest idea.
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Cathy Friedmann - 23 Jan 2005 01:15 GMT > > In the 70's, when I had studded snow tires for each winter, but rear-wheel > > drive - ackkk. Front-wheel drive has helped a lot. So I imagine the AWD [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Michelins. Their tread doesn't seem to be as pronounced as it was > on the tires I had..... I had swtiched to Regatta 2's (Goodyear) last winter when my old tires were shot, & liked them a lot. The dealer had recommended them for both water & snow traction, & another customer next to me at the counter said he had them & liked them. Bought a new car (Toyota - only my 4th one in a row!) this past spring, & found that the tires it came with didn't corner as well as the Regattas, & were also definitely worse in snow. So, with only 5K miles on them, ditched them & got a set of Regatta 2's again. Mighty boring way to spend $, but am glad I did.
> BTW, friend had a BMW. Problem is they are RWD. :-( He had to > get a new car to get AWD. (He got a Mercedes, which he loathes.) > I note the young girl across the street, newbie driver, has a > little BMW and am thinking that is not the smartest idea. I wonder why the high-end cars come w/ rear-wheel drive?? (Heh - there's a pun in there!)
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Cathy Friedmann - 22 Jan 2005 22:02 GMT > > Really, though, I caught this very early. He was partially > > blocked. It could have been much worse. (Now, we need the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > already stopped here. It moved very quickly out, and we ended up with > only about 6". In the NE, a new low pressure system is going to form just off the coast, which will ramp the storm up... It's wild & woolly out there now. I did needed errands this morning, & don't plan on going anywhere till afternoon tomorrow. Still, I think the most we're supposed to get is 8 -12". Not a big deal - it's the wind that's the bigger problem.
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Cheryl - 22 Jan 2005 22:22 GMT > In the NE, a new low pressure system is going to form just off > the coast, which will ramp the storm up... It's wild & woolly > out there now. I did needed errands this morning, & don't plan > on going anywhere till afternoon tomorrow. Still, I think the > most we're supposed to get is 8 -12". Not a big deal - it's the > wind that's the bigger problem. They were talking about that low all week! We seem to be spared of it, but the radar shows a very big curve, so I hope it doesn't loop back around again. I went to the grocery store last night after work, and it was just insane! Then on the radio they were talking about making toilet paper sandwiches, and which brands were good to dip in milk... hehehe (we don't get the major storms here that you guys usually do!)
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Cathy Friedmann - 22 Jan 2005 23:20 GMT > > In the NE, a new low pressure system is going to form just off > > the coast, which will ramp the storm up... It's wild & woolly [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > it, but the radar shows a very big curve, so I hope it doesn't loop > back around again. What sometimes happens where I live - upstate NYS, is that after the main storm's petered out, lake effect snows may set up. Low pressure systems have counterclockwise winds, so it whips around from out in the Atlantic, then passes back over Lakes Erie &/or Ontario - & if they're not frozen over yet - we then get socked w/ more heavy snow, after the main event.
I went to the grocery store last night after work,
> and it was just insane! Then on the radio they were talking about > making toilet paper sandwiches, and which brands were good to dip in > milk... hehehe (we don't get the major storms here that you guys > usually do!) The grocery stores were pretty crowded here this morning. Regular Satruday shoppers, plus... because of the forecast. But it was either go then, or else deal w/ lousy driving this afternoon through tomorrow, or... not go.
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Cheryl - 22 Jan 2005 23:42 GMT > What sometimes happens where I live - upstate NYS, is that after > the main storm's petered out, lake effect snows may set up. Low > pressure systems have counterclockwise winds, so it whips around > from out in the Atlantic, then passes back over Lakes Erie &/or > Ontario - & if they're not frozen over yet - we then get socked > w/ more heavy snow, after the main event. Several years ago (probably '95 or '96) we had a storm that wouldn't leave. It circled over us for a week or so, and what was forcast to be a day or two of snow turned into a week. It was fed from the Atlantic, and from a storm that came up the from the Gulf. It's rare to happen here like that, though.
I'm about 300 miles from the shore, and only about 50 miles or less from the Chesapeake Bay, so we sometimes get "ocean effect snow". Its very rare to get it this far inland, but it happens. This week they kept saying the evil words "Nor'Easter". We don't have the winds down here that are forcast for up there.
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Cathy Friedmann - 22 Jan 2005 23:38 GMT > > What sometimes happens where I live - upstate NYS, is that after > > the main storm's petered out, lake effect snows may set up. Low [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > from the Atlantic, and from a storm that came up the from the Gulf. > It's rare to happen here like that, though. That's a classic nor'easter! Like the '93 snowstorm/blizzard. Comes from the SW, feeds on the Gulf waters, then travels NE up the Atlantic coast, picking up even more moisture from the Atlantic. And dumps it back down. ;-)
> I'm about 300 miles from the shore, and only about 50 miles or less > from the Chesapeake Bay, so we sometimes get "ocean effect snow". > Its very rare to get it this far inland, but it happens. This week > they kept saying the evil words "Nor'Easter". We don't have the > winds down here that are forcast for up there. Sometimes I'm too far inland to get nor'easter snows - the infamous '96 storm that socked DC, NYC, & Boston - we didn't get one single flake out of that one here. Depends upon how the storm tracks - how close to the shore it travels.
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KellyH - 22 Jan 2005 23:54 GMT > Several years ago (probably '95 or '96) we had a storm that > wouldn't leave. It circled over us for a week or so, and what was [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > they kept saying the evil words "Nor'Easter". We don't have the > winds down here that are forcast for up there. I think it was '95. I remember that one. My ex and I walked to a liquor store because it was the only thing open and made a little party out of it. My first winter in MA we got 3 ft of snow in a blizzard. The power went out for a good part of the first day, fun! Stuck in the house and freezing to death. I do like that people here don't make such a friggin' big deal out of snow.
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Cheryl - 23 Jan 2005 00:03 GMT > I think it was '95. I remember that one. My ex and I walked to > a liquor store because it was the only thing open and made a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > like that people here don't make such a friggin' big deal out > of snow. I'm terrified of losing power. I bought a generator last year, and today I kept thinking I should get a tank full of gas in case I need to use it. I also hate to waste gas if it has to sit in the gas can (5 gal) and I never need to use it until grass mowing season again. When I got the generator, I never thought about situations where I couldn't even drive to get gas for it. Summer storms were what I thought about.
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Jean B. - 23 Jan 2005 01:01 GMT > I'm terrified of losing power. I bought a generator last year, and > today I kept thinking I should get a tank full of gas in case I need [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > -- > Cheryl My main fear in that regard is losing power when the basement needs to be pumped out.... Of course, losing power when it is bitterly cold out would also be a problem.
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Cathy Friedmann - 23 Jan 2005 01:07 GMT > > I'm terrified of losing power. I bought a generator last year, and > > today I kept thinking I should get a tank full of gas in case I need [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > needs to be pumped out.... Of course, losing power when it is > bitterly cold out would also be a problem. Yep; brrrrr.... and it is cold out! But this snow is so light (in weight/water content), unless the winds themselves manage to do it, I doubt if power lines will come down.
For people w/ a well, it's also a problem, re: water. No electricity = no water pump = no water.
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Priscilla Ballou - 23 Jan 2005 02:41 GMT > Yep; brrrrr.... and it is cold out! But this snow is so light (in > weight/water content), unless the winds themselves manage to do it, I doubt > if power lines will come down. Interesting. Less than an hour ago I heard on Boston radio that it will be heavy water-filled snow, so extra care needs to be taken when shovelling tomorrow. This contradicts what I read yesterday on the Nat'l Weather Service about it being powdery stuff.
Looking out my window, it just looks white. And getting deeper.
Priscilla in Boston where they're predicting 20-30 inches by tomorrow night
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Jean B. - 23 Jan 2005 02:46 GMT > Interesting. Less than an hour ago I heard on Boston radio that it will > be heavy water-filled snow, so extra care needs to be taken when [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Priscilla in Boston where they're predicting 20-30 inches by tomorrow > night So far it is light and fluffy. Hard to figure out how it would be otherwise, when it's so cold out.
What I've heard mostly is that it will be very windy and cold, and there could be 6-foot drifts.
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Priscilla Ballou - 23 Jan 2005 05:11 GMT > What I've heard mostly is that it will be very windy and cold, and > there could be 6-foot drifts. One of those will probably be against my back door, making it difficult for me to dig out the ferals' feeding station. :-( I'm not kidding. A northeast wind would blow right up against it.
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Jean B. - 23 Jan 2005 15:23 GMT > > One of those will probably be against my back door, making it difficult > for me to dig out the ferals' feeding station. :-( I'm not kidding. A > northeast wind would blow right up against it. > > Priscilla Uh-oh. The wind does, indeed, seem to be coming from the north. Here, that means I should be able to open my garage. What do the poor feral cats and other critters do during such storms?
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Priscilla Ballou - 23 Jan 2005 16:19 GMT > > > > One of those will probably be against my back door, making it difficult > > for me to dig out the ferals' feeding station. :-( I'm not kidding. A > > northeast wind would blow right up against it.
> Uh-oh. The wind does, indeed, seem to be coming from the north. It's a nor'easter, after all.
> Here, that means I should be able to open my garage. What do the > poor feral cats and other critters do during such storms? In past storms, there's been somewhere they hole up. It at least used to be up inside the back wall of my neighbors' house. I worry about them staying inside the heated doghouse because it gets buried in the snow. I don't want them suffocating. When I go down to the basement later I'll look out the back window and see if they're hunkered down under the back porch. They go there sometimes.
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Jean B. - 23 Jan 2005 16:27 GMT > > It's a nor'easter, after all. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Priscilla I hope your ferals are okay, and that you can ascertain that.
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Phil P. - 23 Jan 2005 23:33 GMT > > What I've heard mostly is that it will be very windy and cold, and > > there could be 6-foot drifts. > > One of those will probably be against my back door, making it difficult > for me to dig out the ferals' feeding station. :-( I'm not kidding. A > northeast wind would blow right up against it. I had the same worries. I've been out since 4:00 am digging out the entrances of the shelters so they can get in and out - otherwise they'll starve and poop & pee inside. Two shelters were completely covered and the cats were nowhere to be found. I've been checking every few hours.
I've been thinking about building bi-level feral shelters for a few years - this blizzard clinched it.
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Priscilla Ballou - 24 Jan 2005 00:48 GMT > > > What I've heard mostly is that it will be very windy and cold, and > > > there could be 6-foot drifts. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I've been thinking about building bi-level feral shelters for a few years - > this blizzard clinched it. I was relieved -- when I shouldered my way out my back door by brute force so I could shovel off the deck and liberate (and restock) the feeding station -- to see that there was a clear entrance maintained to the heated shelter (plastic dog house with bedding and outdoor kennel heating pad). I'd leant an old wheelbarrow over the entrance to create a wind baffle, and it had worked like a champ, leaving the southwest corner almost totally snowfree. So there was was ready access to and egress from the little house. Later when I went down to the basement to do some laundry I spotted a couple of cats under the back porch, near the window (which is near the furnace). It was too dark to see *which* cats they were, though.
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Jean B. - 24 Jan 2005 12:49 GMT > > I was relieved -- when I shouldered my way out my back door by brute [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Priscilla What a relief!
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Priscilla Ballou - 24 Jan 2005 14:54 GMT > > > > I was relieved -- when I shouldered my way out my back door by brute [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > What a relief! I haven't been out yet, but I did look out the window over the back porch a little while ago and spied two of the "second tier" ferals getting drinks out of the heated birdbath top. (The feeding and watering stations are both on the back porch.) The level of food in the dish of dry food was much lower than I left it yesterday, too.
After I shower and dress I'll take out some wet food and see if I can spy any of the three "core colony" cats. There are several trails in the snow. Buttercream (one of those I saw this morning) looked like she was swimming as she got over to the porch steps!
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Phil P. - 25 Jan 2005 18:14 GMT > > > > What I've heard mostly is that it will be very windy and cold, and > > > > there could be 6-foot drifts. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > corner almost totally snowfree. So there was was ready access to and > egress from the little house. Hey, that's a great idea!
I'm especially worried about the cats elinimating. Cats will voluntarily hold poop in until the time and place are right. The longer they hold poop in the drier and harder it gets and the more difficult to pass. I'm very worried about the cats developing serious constipation and obstipation.
I've dug out a path from the shelters to the parking lot and cleared a 20' circle around the shelters - but still no sign of the cats. I have a feeling they found a way inside one of buildings. I'm worried about food and water, too.
Later when I went down to the basement to
> do some laundry I spotted a couple of cats under the back porch, near > the window (which is near the furnace). It was too dark to see *which* > cats they were, though. It sound like the shelter is on your property. Is it?
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> Priscilla Cathy Friedmann - 23 Jan 2005 02:47 GMT > > Yep; brrrrr.... and it is cold out! But this snow is so light (in > > weight/water content), unless the winds themselves manage to do it, I doubt [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > shovelling tomorrow. This contradicts what I read yesterday on the > Nat'l Weather Service about it being powdery stuff. If it's cold out, it has to be the light, powdery stuff. When it gets into the 30's, that's when it's the heavy, hard-to-shovel, packing stuff. Temp's actually risen since ealier; it was 0? F this afternoon, & is up to 8? now. But that's still cold. ;-)
> Looking out my window, it just looks white. And getting deeper. > > Priscilla in Boston where they're predicting 20-30 inches by tomorrow > night Yeah, you're going to get a lot more than we are, over here. Last I looked, 10 - 15" predicted for here. More of a coastal storm, than inland. Think you'll get a day off on Monday, maybe? :-)
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> Yeah, you're going to get a lot more than we are, over here. Last I looked, > 10 - 15" predicted for here. More of a coastal storm, than inland. Think > you'll get a day off on Monday, maybe? :-) Friday at work we were lamenting that we probably wouldn't, due to the timing, and our boss was reminding us that we can telecommute if necessary.
OTOH, if the university *does* close, I don't expect I'll be doing much work. I think the question is purely academic, though. No pun intended.
Priscilla, listening to the wind start to pick up
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Jean B. - 23 Jan 2005 15:21 GMT > Friday at work we were lamenting that we probably wouldn't, due to the > timing, and our boss was reminding us that we can telecommute if [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Priscilla, listening to the wind start to pick up School has already been called off in Boston for Monday, and I think Tuesday too, so maybe you will be lucky--except for the telecommuting part.
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Priscilla Ballou - 23 Jan 2005 16:20 GMT > > Friday at work we were lamenting that we probably wouldn't, due to the > > timing, and our boss was reminding us that we can telecommute if [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > think Tuesday too, so maybe you will be lucky--except for the > telecommuting part. I think she was mostly joking. We've got a decent interim president at the University, unlike the nasties we've had in the past. I suspect he'll give us a day, particularly if we can't even shovel until tomorrow!
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Jean B. - 23 Jan 2005 16:28 GMT > I think she was mostly joking. We've got a decent interim president at > the University, unlike the nasties we've had in the past. I suspect > he'll give us a day, particularly if we can't even shovel until tomorrow! > > Priscilla Yes, it seems rather pointless now, alas. Otherwise, I would go out and do a bit now.
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Sherry - 23 Jan 2005 05:05 GMT >Yep; brrrrr.... and it is cold out! But this snow is so light (in >weight/water content), unless the winds themselves manage to do it, I doubt [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Cathy We lost power for a few hours today due to the wind. No snow, though. When we don't have electricity, we have nothing, no heat, no water, nothing. Sherry
Mary - 23 Jan 2005 05:31 GMT > >Yep; brrrrr.... and it is cold out! But this snow is so light (in > >weight/water content), unless the winds themselves manage to do it, I doubt [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > We lost power for a few hours today due to the wind. No snow, though. When we > don't have electricity, we have nothing, no heat, no water, nothing. When I got stranded last Wednesday due to the ice storm I realized that for all the hassles, sometimes there really are advantages to living in the city. Once I left my car in the ditch I had my choice of donut shops, pancake houses, steak houses, hotels, etc. to go into to keep warm until I felt like going forth again. Same with being on city water. But we surely do pay taxes for it all. Hope your power stays on.
Mary - 23 Jan 2005 04:43 GMT "Jean B." <jbxyz@rcn.com> wrote :
> My main fear in that regard is losing power when the basement > needs to be pumped out.... Of course, losing power when it is > bitterly cold out would also be a problem. It is really good to have fireplaces and gas stoves for that reason. When the ice storms came here a few years ago in the dead of winter and shut down electricity for several days we let the faucets dribble and hung out in the rooms that have fireplaces. The gas stove allowed us to cook, while most of our neighbors had electric. Just being able to make COFFEE was so nice.
Jean B. - 23 Jan 2005 15:12 GMT > It is really good to have fireplaces and gas stoves for that > reason. When the ice storms came here a few years ago in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > our neighbors had electric. Just being able to make COFFEE > was so nice. So far, the snow has been light and fluffy, and there are not many power outages. I do wish I had a gas stove, "just in case".
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---MIKE--- - 23 Jan 2005 14:21 GMT Cheryl, I have had a generator for a long time. I keep the gas tank full (with stabilizer to keep the gas good) and run the generator for 15 minutes (under full load) on the 1st of every month. That way I can be sure it will work when I need it. I also keep a full 2 1/2 gallon gas can handy. In a pinch, my generator will also run on propane which I have piped to it.
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---MIKE--- - 23 Jan 2005 14:39 GMT Here in the White mountains of New Hampshire we only got two inches of snow. We need more snow for the snowmobile trails, The ski areas can make snow so they don't have a problem. We haven't had more than 3 inches at a time since December 20th. This means the plowing expense is low but the poor people that make a living by plowing aren't doing well at all.
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Jean B. - 23 Jan 2005 16:21 GMT > Here in the White mountains of New Hampshire we only got two inches of > snow. We need more snow for the snowmobile trails, The ski areas can [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > ---MIKE--- Take mine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mary - 23 Jan 2005 17:11 GMT > Here in the White mountains of New Hampshire we only got two inches of > snow. We need more snow for the snowmobile trails, The ski areas can > make snow so they don't have a problem. We haven't had more than 3 > inches at a time since December 20th. This means the plowing expense is > low but the poor people that make a living by plowing aren't doing well > at all. Oh, wow, you live near Franconia, don't you?
Phil P. - 23 Jan 2005 19:53 GMT > I'm terrified of losing power. I bought a generator last year, and > today I kept thinking I should get a tank full of gas in case I need [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > couldn't even drive to get gas for it. Summer storms were what I > thought about. Cheryl,
One of my shops had a couple of Mitsubishi diesel generators with an automatic transfer switch - ran a few my medium presses or one big press. The ATS monitors the electrical current at the breaker box and kicks in automatically if the electricity goes out and shuts off automatically when the power comes back on. It also discharges and recharges the the start up batteries automatically so they don't go dead if the generator isn't used for long periods.
You can also get generators that run on propane and natural gas that connect directly to your home gas line and circut box - but they're not as efficient and require a lot more maintainence. Its also possible - but not probable - the gas and electric will go down at the same time.
If I had to do it again, I'd probably go for the natural gas or propane generator since there aren't many power outages in my area and when there are, they never last more than a few hours. Short of an earthquake or H-bomb attack, a natural gas generator is probably the most practical choice.
Phil.
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---MIKE--- - 23 Jan 2005 20:53 GMT The automatic generators are a lot more expensive than the manual ones. I don't want my generator to come on whenever there is a power failure anyway. I have a battery/inverter backup system for lights and ceiling fans etc. plus a gas heater for emergencies. I do need the generator to run a septic pump which normally goes for 24 seconds three or four times a day but it uses too much current for the battery/inverter setup. Of course, if there was an extended power outage I would need the generator for the furnace and water pump. I also have a gas stove.
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Phil P. - 24 Jan 2005 00:00 GMT > The automatic generators are a lot more expensive than the manual ones. You're not kidding! But after the pain of spending spending all that money - a few grand more didn't matter. I was already numb! The convenience sorta eased the pain.
> I don't want my generator to come on whenever there is a power failure > anyway. I needed that feature for my presses and cutter - especially the cutter! LOL! If I ever finish the clinic, I'd probably go for a small 30 kw 125 amp gas generator with an ATS. I haven't priced them recently, but small home set ups can't be more than $7K-$8K. If not for the clinic, I wouldn't even bother.
I have a battery/inverter backup system for lights and ceiling
> fans etc. plus a gas heater for emergencies. I do need the generator to > run a septic pump which normally goes for 24 seconds three or four times > a day but it uses too much current for the battery/inverter setup. Of > course, if there was an extended power outage I would need the generator > for the furnace and water pump. I also have a gas stove. I saw a 7500 w electric start (no ATS) gas (oline) at Home Depot for $1,300. How many watts/amps do you need? They have smaller generators for less.
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> ---MIKE--- Cheryl - 24 Jan 2005 00:19 GMT > I saw a 7500 w electric start (no ATS) gas (oline) at Home Depot > for $1,300. How many watts/amps do you need? They have smaller > generators for less. Mine is a Sears Craftsman 3800 w pull start for ~$500. After Isobel a couple of years ago I borrowed my brothers when his power came back on, and it's less powerful than this one, but it served my needs and the needs of one of my neighbors. We shared it, and took turns filling the gas tank. His took 2 gals, mine takes 4. My only beef with his was the tank of gas didn't last through the night.
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---MIKE--- - 24 Jan 2005 13:13 GMT Phil, My generator is only 6 KW but that will power everything except the clothes dryer. When I run the septic pump, I turn everything else off (for 24 seconds. The running of the pump is not the problem - it's the starting surge that draws a lot of current).
Phil, I tried to send you an e-mail but it bounced. Could you send me a valid e-mail address? TIA
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Phil P. - 25 Jan 2005 18:17 GMT > Phil, My generator is only 6 KW but that will power everything except > the clothes dryer. When I run the septic pump, I turn everything else [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Phil, I tried to send you an e-mail but it bounced. Could you send me a > valid e-mail address? TIA I switched servers - My Max's House addy should work now. cc to topcat at maxshouse dot com just in case.
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> ---MIKE--- Cheryl - 23 Jan 2005 22:26 GMT > If I had to do it again, I'd probably go for the natural gas or > propane generator since there aren't many power outages in my > area and when there are, they never last more than a few hours. > Short of an earthquake or H-bomb attack, a natural gas generator > is probably the most practical choice. There've been two times that power was out for a significant length of time for me. I never want to go through that again. I don't know how people lived before electricity. lol I got the generator for that reason, and also because I have severe power problems at my house that the power company refuses to acknowledge. Power surges and dips that scare me, though they aren't as bad this winter as they were last summer. I've had an electrician in and had my own home wiring checked and the problem isn't inside. The power company told both me and my neighbor who has the same problem, that the only way they will address the problem is if (when!) the power goes completely out. My home is all electric, no gas at all in this block of homes. The last power co. tech that was out here guessed that one of the deck posts was laid on top of a power cable and they want to tear down the deck. Fine, but not on a guess. My brother built the deck when he owned this house and he *did* put a footing close to where the power comes into the house, but he never had a problem in the 8 years he lived here after building the deck. Of course it's possible that a line was nicked, and time and water have finally taken its toll, but that wouldn't cause my neighbors to have the same problem. I had Miss Utility mark the lines and it doesn't "daisy chain" from my house to theirs.
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Phil P. - 23 Jan 2005 23:41 GMT > > If I had to do it again, I'd probably go for the natural gas or > > propane generator since there aren't many power outages in my [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > to have the same problem. I had Miss Utility mark the lines and it > doesn't "daisy chain" from my house to theirs. My next home will have solar panels and a windmill just so I don't have to deal with Public Service's bullshit. They put me through hell when I added another 100 amp line. Its normally a simple project.
Phil.
Jean B. - 22 Jan 2005 22:54 GMT > > In the NE, a new low pressure system is going to form just off the coast, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Cathy Here, the alert (or whatever) is until 6 tomorrow night (unless they have changed that again). It sounds like shoveling will be brutal--with all that wind. I hope my friend gets dug out if I can bring Mingy home.
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Cathy Friedmann - 22 Jan 2005 23:23 GMT > > In the NE, a new low pressure system is going to form just off the coast, > > which will ramp the storm up... It's wild & woolly out there now. I did [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Here, the alert (or whatever) Could be: advisory, watch, or warning.
is until 6 tomorrow night (unless
> they have changed that again). It sounds like shoveling will be > brutal--with all that wind. I hope my friend gets dug out if I > can bring Mingy home. A neighbor is presently out snowblowing. Why now - so early on, is beyond me. The wind is drifting the snow all over the place - his efforts are going to be all for naught...
Cathy
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