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Cleaners For Cat Spots
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Cat Protector - 14 Jan 2005 01:28 GMT Does anyone have any recommendations on cleaners which I can use on bed sheets and other items when the cats spray? One of my cats seems to be marking their territory when I am asleep and in the bed. Apparently during the night the cats are fighting with each other and thus marking their spots. I was told an enzymatic cleaner would work to remove the odor and stain but have no clue what is any good.
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-L. - 14 Jan 2005 01:37 GMT >From an old post of mine - pertains to carpets, but the same cleaners and odor killers can be used on bedding:
***paste***
I have 7 pets - dogs, cats and reptiles so I am the Stink Killing Master.
I recommend ODOKLEEN cleaner to remove any vomit, urine or feces (it requires lots of rinsing, though - a wet vac works wonders for this), and then treating the area with ODOKILL or NODOR to remove the odor. I have yet to find an odor which is not removed using NODOR. ODOKLEEN and ODOKILL are available through pet supply stores. NODOR is made by Nu-Scents in Knoxville, TN, USA. They are a very small company and do not ship outside of NA. Their product can be ordered in the US by credit card by calling 1*(800)*262*9366. They ship via UPS. They are very nice people. NODOR will kill male cat spray smell.
You may have to remove the carpet and replace it as well as the pad, if the damage is bad enough, though. It is worth trying what I recommended, first.
I do not recommend the enzyme-based cleaners, like Nature's Miracle. They just don't work as well as those I mentioned above.
HTH, -L.
Suzie-Q - 14 Jan 2005 02:01 GMT -> Does anyone have any recommendations on cleaners which I can use on bed -> sheets and other items when the cats spray? One of my cats seems to be -> marking their territory when I am asleep and in the bed. Apparently during -> the night the cats are fighting with each other and thus marking their -> spots. I was told an enzymatic cleaner would work to remove the odor and -> stain but have no clue what is any good.
You don't have to use anything special. Just throw the sheets, blankets, etc. in the washer with a litte detergent and bleach. (Sheets generally won't fade too much if you bleach them. Your comforter/bedspread may fade too much for your liking, though.)
Any reason you can't do that?
You're lucky you can sleep soundly enough to sleep through that!!
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Cat Protector - 14 Jan 2005 02:08 GMT Actually, I have one of those liquid detergents that has the bleach alternative in it. It cleaned up the last two spots because I caught them while they were still wet and threw them in the wash.
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> You don't have to use anything special. Just throw the sheets, blankets, > etc. in the washer with a litte detergent and bleach. (Sheets generally [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > You're lucky you can sleep soundly enough to sleep through that!! KellyH - 14 Jan 2005 02:45 GMT > Does anyone have any recommendations on cleaners which I can use on bed > sheets and other items when the cats spray? One of my cats seems to be > marking their territory when I am asleep and in the bed. Apparently during > the night the cats are fighting with each other and thus marking their > spots. I was told an enzymatic cleaner would work to remove the odor and > stain but have no clue what is any good. Why don't you get them checked for a UTI? Peeing on soft objects is one of the symptoms. This is happening while you are asleep, so you can't be 100% certain it's a territory thing. UTI's are nothing to fool around with.
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Cat Protector - 14 Jan 2005 04:17 GMT Well, they are fighting quite a bit in the area when I am awake. It is only in the bed. All three are using the litterbox just fine and it is cleaned at least 4 times a day. I know with Icarus chasing Isis and Jade it might be putting stress on them so it could be the reason for the spots. I might be bringing the Rescue Remedy out of retirement and see if that helps. I am also going to try some holistic remedies as well. One Site suggested Dandelion (in liquid form) and cranberry capsuls. The marking in the bed has only happened twice this week and has happened no other times. If I have to bring a cat in to be tested for UTI, then it'll be Icarus because from what I have read it seems to occur more frequently in males. If he checks out then Isis or Jade will follow. It will be easier taking them in one at a time if I have to. I just hope it isn't UTI because vets here are costly.
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> Why don't you get them checked for a UTI? Peeing on soft objects is one > of the symptoms. This is happening while you are asleep, so you can't be > 100% certain it's a territory thing. UTI's are nothing to fool around > with. KellyH - 14 Jan 2005 04:44 GMT > Well, they are fighting quite a bit in the area when I am awake. It is > only in the bed. All three are using the litterbox just fine and it is > cleaned at least 4 times a day. I know with Icarus chasing Isis and Jade > it might be putting stress on them so it could be the reason for the > spots. How many litterboxes do you have? If you only have one, Icarus (just saying him since he's the most dominant) could be standing guard near it and intimidating the girls from using the box. It happened with my parents' two cats. Took me a year to talk them into getting another box in a different location.
> I might be bringing the Rescue Remedy out of retirement and see if that > helps. I am also going to try some holistic remedies as well. One Site [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > them in one at a time if I have to. I just hope it isn't UTI because vets > here are costly. Please don't mess around with a possible UTI or blockage. It can kill a cat in less than 24 hrs.
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Cat Protector - 14 Jan 2005 05:33 GMT Used to have 2 but since I don't have a lot of space in the bathroom I keep it in, I got a giant one which is cleaned 4 or 5 times a day. Icarus does have dominance as well as an attachment issue with me which may be making the other two cats jealous which makes me suspect that this urinating in the bed while I am in it is a result of that. As for messing around with UTI, I would prefer to go the holistic route if I can. My cats are a trial when going to the vet, Icarus is especially. If I go have them tested it'll have to be one at a time to make things a little less stressful.
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> How many litterboxes do you have? If you only have one, Icarus (just > saying him since he's the most dominant) could be standing guard near it [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Please don't mess around with a possible UTI or blockage. It can kill a > cat in less than 24 hrs. KellyH - 14 Jan 2005 14:31 GMT > Used to have 2 but since I don't have a lot of space in the bathroom I > keep it in, I got a giant one which is cleaned 4 or 5 times a day. Icarus [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > tested it'll have to be one at a time to make things a little less > stressful. Well, dandelion and cranberry are not going to kill bacteria. They are not antibiotics. They may ward off a UTI, but if one of your cats is peeing on the bed, then they already have it. I have a feral cat and I take him to the vet when needed. Believe me, *that* is a trial! Try another litterbox in a different location. He could be standing in front of the other one stopping the other cats from using it.
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Rene S. - 14 Jan 2005 20:30 GMT As for messing
> > around with UTI, I would prefer to go the holistic route if I can. My cats > > are a trial when going to the vet, Icarus is especially. If I go have them > > tested it'll have to be one at a time to make things a little less > > stressful. CP, I'm surprised to read this thread of yours, especially when you've been on the NG for several years. A UTI is not something you "mess around" with. Time is important when dealing with this! You are not a vet and can't diagnose the cause of the urination, especially when you're not around (or awake). You said vets are expensive in your area, yet you have three cats. I'm sorry, but vet bills are part of cat ownership. The *very least* you could do is phone your vet and explain what's been happening. (A phone call and the advice given is free.) If a UTI is cleared, you can move on to other behavioral issues.
I agree with Kelly in saying you need another litterbox in a *different* location. It doesn't matter how large the box is if a cat is blocking access to it. When I lived in a one bedroom apartment I had room for two boxes.
Rene
Cat Protector - 15 Jan 2005 01:00 GMT Why are you surprised? As for the urination, they have been marking the same spot and yesterday no spots it all. Icarus has been chasing both Isis and Jade lately which leads me to believe this is a dominance issue. I did give a cleaning to the litterbox right before bed last night which seems to have helped. If the incident crops up again this weekend I'll be bringing Icarus into the vet first since I have heard it happens more in male cats. Then the others will follow.
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> CP, > I'm surprised to read this thread of yours, especially when you've been [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Rene Cat Protector - 15 Jan 2005 01:06 GMT I forgot to mention all 3 cats are using the litterbox as I have been keeping my eye on them when I am home.
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> Why are you surprised? As for the urination, they have been marking the > same spot and yesterday no spots it all. Icarus has been chasing both Isis [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> >> Rene Cathy Friedmann - 15 Jan 2005 04:17 GMT > I forgot to mention all 3 cats are using the litterbox as I have been > keeping my eye on them when I am home. Cats with UTIs *do* use the litterbox much/most of the time; they _occasionally_ pee outside of the box.
Cathy
> Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! > www.panthertekit.com [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >> > >> Rene KellyH - 15 Jan 2005 02:16 GMT > Why are you surprised? As for the urination, they have been marking the > same spot and yesterday no spots it all. Icarus has been chasing both Isis [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > bringing Icarus into the vet first since I have heard it happens more in > male cats. Then the others will follow. I think she's surprised because you are always telling people to take their cats to the vet.
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Cat Protector - 15 Jan 2005 03:00 GMT Not always. If it is possibly a behavioral, food or adoption issue then I think it is best to rule out everything before taking them into a vet. I have been reading plenty of Sites on the subject of UTI and even though they suggest taking the cat in for the exam if all signs point to it, some of them will recommend the curitive and preventative. A few of them are holistic cures. Cranberry and orange juice were two such things recommended. Apparently they have the acidic count to knock down the bacteria causing UTI and thus reduce the crystals.
All of the cats are using the litterbox normally and I am cleaning the litterbox just before I go to bed. I have heard suggestions about setting up another litterbox in another area but that isn't much of an option as I don't have anywhere to put it right now. That's why I originally got one giant litterbox. Also, last night no areas on the bed have been found wet. I am keeping a close eye on all of them right now and if I find more spots on the bed then I'll be taking them all in for a UTI check. They'll have to go in one at a time because 2 of the 3 cats put up a fuss when at the vet.
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> I think she's surprised because you are always telling people to take > their cats to the vet. KellyH - 15 Jan 2005 03:07 GMT > Not always. If it is possibly a behavioral, food or adoption issue then I > think it is best to rule out everything before taking them into a vet. I give up. And could you please stop top posting?
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Mary - 15 Jan 2005 03:28 GMT > > Not always. If it is possibly a behavioral, food or adoption issue then I > > think it is best to rule out everything before taking them into a vet. > > I give up. And could you please stop top posting? I believe it was Mark Twain who said "Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig." Like trying to reason with CP.
KellyH - 15 Jan 2005 03:53 GMT > I believe it was Mark Twain who said "Never try to teach a pig to sing. > It wastes your time and annoys the pig." Like trying to reason > with CP. Yes, I believe I have learned my lesson. CP, don't come crying to us when one of your cats is dead and/or your apt smells like pee.
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Cat Protector - 15 Jan 2005 04:27 GMT It is amazing how you treat people on this group. If they don't become one of your followers or take your advice you call them names and badmouth them. Then you wish them the worse. It is terrible that as much as you claim to love cats you are hoping that someone else's cats die. I never said I wouldn't take my cats in to the vet. I just want to rule out the other possibilities first. If they lay down another spot then I'll be having them checked. I didn't come here to fight anyone. It's amazing how selective you are in caring for others and their cats. Did you ever stop to think that some of us actually care for our cats but are wanting to rule out the other possibilities? I guess not.
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>> I believe it was Mark Twain who said "Never try to teach a pig to sing. >> It wastes your time and annoys the pig." Like trying to reason >> with CP. > > Yes, I believe I have learned my lesson. CP, don't come crying to us when > one of your cats is dead and/or your apt smells like pee. Cathy Friedmann - 15 Jan 2005 05:16 GMT > It is amazing how you treat people on this group. If they don't become one > of your followers or take your advice you call them names and badmouth them. > Then you wish them the worse. It is terrible that as much as you claim to > love cats you are hoping that someone else's cats die. Tell us where exactly she said this. She did not say that she *hopes* this. You need to read Kelly's post again, & read it for what it actually says.
I never said I
> wouldn't take my cats in to the vet. I just want to rule out the other > possibilities first. If they lay down another spot then I'll be having them > checked. I didn't come here to fight anyone. It's amazing how selective you > are in caring for others and their cats. Did you ever stop to think that > some of us actually care for our cats but are wanting to rule out the other > possibilities? I guess not. If the possibilities are medical &/or behavioral, one rules out the *medical* one(s) first.
Cathy
> >> I believe it was Mark Twain who said "Never try to teach a pig to sing. > >> It wastes your time and annoys the pig." Like trying to reason > >> with CP. > > > > Yes, I believe I have learned my lesson. CP, don't come crying to us when > > one of your cats is dead and/or your apt smells like pee. Mary - 15 Jan 2005 05:20 GMT > It is amazing how you treat people on this group. If they don't become one > of your followers or take your advice you call them names and badmouth them. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > some of us actually care for our cats but are wanting to rule out the other > possibilities? I guess not. Listen here, stupid. Your cats need to go to the gd VET if they are peeing on your bed. Got that, tightwad? If you are going to neglect them, at least don't try to justify it with half-assed posts about herbal remedies and other nonsense.
equalizer - 15 Jan 2005 16:14 GMT >> It is amazing how you treat people on this group. If they don't become one >> of your followers or take your advice you call them names and badmouth [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >posts about herbal remedies and other >nonsense. On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:24:10 -0700, in the thread "To euthanize or not: Need advice" Cat Protector <catprotector@cox.net> wrote:
>I would get a second opinion from another vet. Another thing you could also >try is a vet that practices holistic healing. When it is time to leave this >life your cat will let you know. At home is usually preferable surrounded by >loved ones. But I'd see if another vet's opinion would help first. Sheeeeeeit!!! He gives the above advice to others, but won't bother to get a ***FIRST*** opinion for his own cats!!!!
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KellyH - 15 Jan 2005 13:41 GMT > It is amazing how you treat people on this group. If they don't become one > of your followers or take your advice you call them names and badmouth > them. For one thing, I don't have any followers, and I don't remember badmouthing *anyone* on this group, except maybe Mary when we got into that spat.
> Then you wish them the worse. It is terrible that as much as you claim to > love cats you are hoping that someone else's cats die. I never said that. I said "don't come crying to us when one of them dies" which is a very real possibility if one of them gets blocked. I saw it happen at the shelter. A cat was turned in for peeing around the house. We had him scheduled to see the vet the next day. That morning, he was dead from a blockage. My cat Bartleby got blocked twice. Cost my a couple hundred each time to unblock him.
>I never said I wouldn't take my cats in to the vet. I just want to rule out >the other possibilities first. If they lay down another spot then I'll be >having them checked. I didn't come here to fight anyone. It's amazing how >selective you are in caring for others and their cats. Did you ever stop to >think that some of us actually care for our cats but are wanting to rule >out the other possibilities? I guess not. No, I DO care about your cats. That's why I've been on here spending my own time, urging you to take proper care of them. They need at least one other litterbox. The rule is enough litterboxes for each cat plus one. I know that's a little hard to do sometimes, but you really do need at least two for three cats. Also, I KNOW firsthand how deadly this can be, hence I have been urging you to take your cats to the vet. There are times for trying your own methods, and there are times for going straight to the vet.
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equalizer - 15 Jan 2005 16:08 GMT >> I believe it was Mark Twain who said "Never try to teach a pig to sing. >> It wastes your time and annoys the pig." Like trying to reason >> with CP. > >Yes, I believe I have learned my lesson. CP, don't come crying to us when >one of your cats is dead and/or your apt smells like pee. Most likely, the crap food he feeds them is FINALLY taking its toll and someone's getting a blockage....
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-L. - 15 Jan 2005 06:51 GMT > Not always. If it is possibly a behavioral, food or adoption issue then I > think it is best to rule out everything before taking them into a vet. I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Apparently they have the acidic count to knock down the bacteria causing UTI > and thus reduce the crystals. Not all crystals are formed under acidic conditions, not all UTIs are caused by crystals. Acidic treatments can often make some UT problems, like interstitial cystitis, WORSE. Get your cat to a vet for a urinalysis, pronto - they will determine *exactly* what the problem is and come up with a treatment plan. Most cats respond in 24-48 hours after starting treatment.
-L.
Sherry - 07 Feb 2005 01:53 GMT >Not always. If it is possibly a behavioral, food or adoption issue then I >think it is best to rule out everything before taking them into a vet. I >have been reading plenty of Sites on the subject of UTI and even though they CP, that's just not right. I honestly believe the cat should be checked medically, first. Only after that can you assume the problem is behavioral. If you screw around with behavior modification first, your poor cat is suffering and in pain. Sherry
Rene S. - 15 Jan 2005 04:17 GMT Bingo! That's exactly what I meant.
Rene
Mary - 15 Jan 2005 05:20 GMT > Bingo! That's exactly what I meant. > > Rene *Looking around* What?!
Rene S. - 15 Jan 2005 19:04 GMT Bingo! That's exactly what I meant.
*Looking around* What?!
Sorry, Mary. The text from my reply must have got cut out. I was replying to Kelly--my original post to CP said that I was surprised at the way he was acting about his own cats when he's always telling everyone else on the group to take their cats to the vet.
Rene
Mary - 15 Jan 2005 19:19 GMT > Bingo! That's exactly what I meant. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Rene Ahhhh! Okay, thanks. My curiosity drives me insane when someone replies w/o a reference to the one they are replying to. I think it is a character flaw of some sort. ;)
Connie - 15 Jan 2005 23:19 GMT <<My curiosity drives me insane when someone replies w/o
> a reference to the one they are replying to. I think it is a character > flaw > of some sort. ;)>> Actually, I don't think it is a character flaw... see, on the news reader I use, the replies are set up that it shows up *under* which reply the person is replying to.... Kinda like an outline effect. Chances are some of these other people are using something of the same sort...
~ Original message (OM) ~ Reply to OM (1) ~ reply to above reply (1) ~ reply to above reply (1) ~reply to reply to reply above.... ~Reply to OM
-L. - 16 Jan 2005 03:35 GMT > Actually, I don't think it is a character flaw... see, on the news reader I > use, the replies are set up that it shows up *under* which reply the person [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > ~reply to reply to reply above.... > ~Reply to OM It's called a thread for a reason. ;) Almost all newsreaders give one the option of seeing the thread's heirachy.
Actually the new Beta version of Google doesn't automatically quote text unless you click the "show options" link by the poster's name - then you have to select "reply" to get the system to quote the text. It's a bug, but I don't think they are going to fix it. took me a while to figure it out - someone pointed me in the right direction. It's a pain!
-L.
Sherry - 15 Jan 2005 16:02 GMT >Why are you surprised? As for the urination, they have been marking the same >spot and yesterday no spots it all. Icarus has been chasing both Isis and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >into the vet first since I have heard it happens more in male cats. Then the >others will follow. Your cat is telling you the only way he knows how that it hurts when he pees in the litterbox, so he's peeing somewhere else. He doesn't know how to show pain. He's a cat. Take him to the vet.
Sherry
Kelly - 14 Jan 2005 03:01 GMT Nature's Miracle. It is available at Pet Smart and it guarenteed.
Kelly
> Does anyone have any recommendations on cleaners which I can use on bed > sheets and other items when the cats spray? One of my cats seems to be > marking their territory when I am asleep and in the bed. Apparently during > the night the cats are fighting with each other and thus marking their > spots. I was told an enzymatic cleaner would work to remove the odor and > stain but have no clue what is any good. Connie - 14 Jan 2005 04:14 GMT > Does anyone have any recommendations on cleaners which I can use on bed > sheets and other items when the cats spray? I don't like natures miracle. It never worked well for me. I like odo-ban from Sams.... workes pretty good. White vinegar works very good also.... and it is much cheaper.
Cat Protector - 14 Jan 2005 04:26 GMT I'll try white vinegar. Someone also suggested Feliway as well.
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> I don't like natures miracle. It never worked well for me. I like odo-ban > from Sams.... workes pretty good. White vinegar works very good also.... > and it is much cheaper.
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