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---MIKE--- - 14 Jan 2005 00:56 GMT
This cat belongs to a friend of a friend.  A five year old altered male
that pees on the bed.  He has been to the vet and was given a clear bill
of health.  This has been going on for quite a while.  My recommendation
would be a Feliway diffuser in the bed room.  Are there any other
suggestions?

                 ---MIKE---
Monique Y. Mudama - 14 Jan 2005 01:19 GMT
> This cat belongs to a friend of a friend.  A five year old altered male that
> pees on the bed.  He has been to the vet and was given a clear bill of
> health.  This has been going on for quite a while.  My recommendation would
> be a Feliway diffuser in the bed room.  Are there any other suggestions?

This may be a cop-out, but can they keep him out of the room for a while to
help break him of the habit?

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Cat Protector - 14 Jan 2005 02:28 GMT
I am going through this issue with my cats. I am not sure which one is
laying the marker but I am considering bringing the Rescue Remedy out of
retirement. My cats are fighting quite a bit lately so I am not surprised I
am finding wet spots on the bed. The problem here is that they are doing it
when I am in it and sleeping. I suspect it might be a fight over a spot next
to me.

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> This cat belongs to a friend of a friend.  A five year old altered male
> that pees on the bed.  He has been to the vet and was given a clear bill
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>
>                  ---MIKE---
Karen Chuplis - 14 Jan 2005 05:53 GMT
> This cat belongs to a friend of a friend.  A five year old altered male
> that pees on the bed.  He has been to the vet and was given a clear bill
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> ---MIKE---

My mom had a male that did this. She added a small litter box to the room
and it stopped.
Meghan Noecker - 14 Jan 2005 09:01 GMT
>This cat belongs to a friend of a friend.  A five year old altered male
>that pees on the bed.  He has been to the vet and was given a clear bill
>of health.  This has been going on for quite a while.  My recommendation
>would be a Feliway diffuser in the bed room.  Are there any other
>suggestions?

This won't stop the peeing, but get a vinyl table cloth, and put the
fuzzy side up on the bed. Have at least two, so you can recover the
bed while cleaning the other one. This will at least protect the
bedding, and reduce the frustration.

My cat used to get sick on the bed every time I left for the weekend.
It was really frustrating to come home to a messed up bed. This was
protected my bed, and she still had something comfy to hang out on.


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Wendy - 14 Jan 2005 10:43 GMT
> This cat belongs to a friend of a friend.  A five year old altered male
> that pees on the bed.  He has been to the vet and was given a clear bill
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>
>                   ---MIKE---

By clean bill of health do you mean he had his urine tested or just an exam?

Feliway would be worth a try.

W
Sherry - 05 Feb 2005 14:56 GMT
>This cat belongs to a friend of a friend.  A five year old altered male
>that pees on the bed.  He has been to the vet and was given a clear bill
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>                  ---MIKE---

Mike, I know this sounds over-simple, but do you think he has tried locking the
cat out of the bedroom?
Also, it sounds so creepy when I hear about a cat peeing on the bed, because
that's *exactly* what mine did with a UTI, and I think CP's cat did too. I
wonder if there's something the vet missed.
Sherry
Karen Chuplis - 05 Feb 2005 18:15 GMT
>> This cat belongs to a friend of a friend.  A five year old altered male
>> that pees on the bed.  He has been to the vet and was given a clear bill
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> wonder if there's something the vet missed.
> Sherry

I wouldn't doubt it. Besides if it is interstitial cystitis, it won't show
anything up. The cat will have recurring bouts that resolve themselves every
7 to 10 days. I would add a Feliway diffuser and begin switching the cat
over to a mostly wet high grade catfood and add water bowls around the
house. I would *also* try adding a box in the bedroom. If she has carpet,
put an office matt in the corner and put a box on that (if she doesn't want
it too visible put a decorative screen by it. I would recommend the friend
see an all feline vet. I tend to wonder about general small animal vets.
They never or rarely seem up to date on the progress of Urinary syndromes in
cats.
Mary - 05 Feb 2005 18:29 GMT
> >This cat belongs to a friend of a friend.  A five year old altered male
> >that pees on the bed.  He has been to the vet and was given a clear bill
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> wonder if there's something the vet missed.
> Sherry

The cat psych books say that when a cat pees on a certain human's
bed or laundry they are trying to send a message to that person.
The message might be, "OW! This urinary tract infection hurts!"
Meghan Noecker - 06 Feb 2005 09:07 GMT
>The cat psych books say that when a cat pees on a certain human's
>bed or laundry they are trying to send a message to that person.
>The message might be, "OW! This urinary tract infection hurts!"

When Kira started going in season, she would pee on the bed. I was
able to convince my mom that she should be spayed after two heat
cycles (for other reasons though). During that time, I covered the bed
with a vinyl tablecloth to keep the pee from getting to my blankets.
And we had to work on some communication. She originally thought I
kicked her out of the room, but it was only off the bed.

She also had spearate anxiety for the first few years, so overnight
trips required the bed to be covered. She would vomit and/or have
diarhea on the bed (and only on the bed).

Now, Chase sends the true message, or at least he used to. Back when
he was a kitten, we had to work out some deals on the kitty litter
box. He is pickier than the other cats, so I had to keep it deeper and
clean it daily (I confess I was not scooping it that often before).
And he also has a preference for fine grain litter.

So, the first time I let it get too bad, he peed on the bed. When I
changed it to a pellet litter once, he peed on the bed. That was his
way of telling me he didn't like the letter (right back atcha). During
that time, he learned that I woudl respond quickly to a threat. So he
would go to the bed, meow to get me to look, and then dig like he was
about to use the bed. That was enough to send me to the litter box to
fix it.

Now, he doesn't have to go to the bed. He can just meow in that same
funny way, and I know what he wants. He is 4 now, and only peed on teh
bed 3 or 4 times during that first year. But it was enough to properly
train me, and he rarely has to remind me now.

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Mary - 06 Feb 2005 17:59 GMT
"Meghan Noecker" <friesian@zoocrewphoto.com> wrote in message >
>> When Kira started going in season, she would pee on the bed. I was
> able to convince my mom that she should be spayed after two heat
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> changed it to a pellet litter once, he peed on the bed. That was his
> way of telling me he didn't like the letter (right back atcha).

See, your experience is the same as mine. Even though I do agree that
people whose pets do this should have the vet check them, especially
since UTIs can be so dangerous, every time my cats have done this
it was because they were upset about something. Buddha jumped up
on our just laundered duvet and peed just as soon as
my husband  had gotten into bed--because he had been shooing her
down off the bed while he washed the sheets and comforter cover.
(He didn't want her black hair on the mattress. I would not have cared
and therefore would not have been peed upon! Another point for the
less-anal-retentive out there!) She went to the vet and there was no
problem.

Gnarly once pooted in the middle of the living room floor while I
was IN the living room on the phone with my mother! I was sputtering
and gasping while my Mom laughed and said, "She knows how to get
your attention!" I was working full time and going to school full time
and her box was not clean enough. She went to the vet, and had
no health problems at all.
Mary - 06 Feb 2005 18:30 GMT
> Gnarly once pooted in the middle of the living room floor

That should be "pooed." Kitty farts have never upset me much. :)
Meghan Noecker - 07 Feb 2005 10:40 GMT
>> Gnarly once pooted in the middle of the living room floor
>
>That should be "pooed." Kitty farts have never upset me much. :)

I made the mistake of picking up Tiger upside down once, and he farted
in my face. Never again. And he had the worst farts.

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Mary - 07 Feb 2005 14:45 GMT
> >> Gnarly once pooted in the middle of the living room floor
> >
> >That should be "pooed." Kitty farts have never upset me much. :)
>
> I made the mistake of picking up Tiger upside down once, and he farted
> in my face. Never again. And he had the worst farts.

Aww! They do the cutest things, don't they? ;)
KellyH - 06 Feb 2005 18:33 GMT
> Gnarly once pooted in the middle of the living room floor while I
> was IN the living room on the phone with my mother! I was sputtering
> and gasping while my Mom laughed and said, "She knows how to get
> your attention!" I was working full time and going to school full time
> and her box was not clean enough. She went to the vet, and had
> no health problems at all.

One time, my husband had picked me up from work and we both went out to
dinner and a movie, making us get home much later than a normal weekday.
Dash (RB) was quite unhappy about this.  She pulled my husband's coat off
the back of a chair, looked right at us, squatted, and peed.  From then on,
we always made sure to stop at home first if we were going to go out.

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Mary - 06 Feb 2005 18:40 GMT
"KellyH" <Kelly@farringtonsNOSPAM.net> wrote >
> One time, my husband had picked me up from work and we both went out to
> dinner and a movie, making us get home much later than a normal weekday.
> Dash (RB) was quite unhappy about this.  She pulled my husband's coat off
> the back of a chair, looked right at us, squatted, and peed.  From then on,
> we always made sure to stop at home first if we were going to go out.

lol!! Not funny if it is your coat, but wow, I guess Dash knew
how to send you a message!
Meghan Noecker - 07 Feb 2005 10:42 GMT
>lol!! Not funny if it is your coat, but wow, I guess Dash knew
>how to send you a message!

If I expect to be in trouble, I bring treats. If I go out of town
overnight, I come home with Kira's favorite treat. She forgives me
quickly.

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Monique Y. Mudama - 07 Feb 2005 22:03 GMT
>>lol!! Not funny if it is your coat, but wow, I guess Dash knew how to send
>>you a message!
>
> If I expect to be in trouble, I bring treats. If I go out of town overnight,
> I come home with Kira's favorite treat. She forgives me quickly.

After reading so many stories, I have to say that Oscar is the bestest cat
ever.  She's tolerant of my sometimes-slack litterbox-changing habits.  She
has never punished me for being left alone or for changing her litter.  She
has only eliminated outside of the box when she was very ill or when sheer
terror prevented her from approaching the box.

She does seem to leave little poops around the basement, near her litterbox,
but I'm pretty sure that's because they stuck to her long fur for a bit before
dropping.

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Karen - 07 Feb 2005 22:56 GMT
> >>lol!! Not funny if it is your coat, but wow, I guess Dash knew how to send
> >>you a message!
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> but I'm pretty sure that's because they stuck to her long fur for a bit before
> dropping.

Mine don't punish me for leaving them alone overlong, but they do generally
throw up. I think they get stressed.
Monique Y. Mudama - 08 Feb 2005 00:13 GMT
> Mine don't punish me for leaving them alone overlong, but they do generally
> throw up. I think they get stressed.

Oscar hasn't thrown up since I switched her to canned and Wellness a few
months ago.  Well, she threw up once, but that was very clearly because I'd
just allowed her to gorge herself on freeze-dried chicken.  It was completely
different from every other time she's vomitted.  Hopefully, I've learned my
lesson about feeding her too much of a good thing.

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kitkat - 10 Feb 2005 02:50 GMT
>>Mine don't punish me for leaving them alone overlong, but they do generally
>>throw up. I think they get stressed.
>
> Oscar hasn't thrown up since I switched her to canned and Wellness a few
> months ago.  

I would really like to switch the Lunameister to canned/wet food, but
she barfs it up pretty quickly. She seems to have SUCH a sensitive
tummy. I'd happily take any advice and hints from you wet food pros.
It's only from reading here that I am realizing she needs to be
switched! Fortunatly, Jasper came to us as a wet food eater. Now, the
trick is trying to switch him to a better brand of food. He is a
Friskies-in-the-pouch addict...I've been trying to see what he'll take
to...i bought science diet, pro plan, and nutro...tried em all. He's not
 diggin it much. If i mix with the friskies, he'll go for it. Im trying
the mix it method, but he REALLY seems to want his friskies. Brat. ;-)

changing the topic...
pam
Karen Chuplis - 10 Feb 2005 03:07 GMT
>>> Mine don't punish me for leaving them alone overlong, but they do generally
>>> throw up. I think they get stressed.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> changing the topic...
> pam

Luna may just need a higher quality wet food. She must have a sensitivity to
something. Check your ingredients and maybe keep a little food log for her.
Try to find a food without grains (although if dry food is OK you would not
think it was that.) What is the primary protien in her dry food? maybe it
needs to be a food that has no beef or fish etc.
kitkat - 10 Feb 2005 04:01 GMT
>>>>Mine don't punish me for leaving them alone overlong, but they do generally
>>>>throw up. I think they get stressed.
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> think it was that.) What is the primary protien in her dry food? maybe it
> needs to be a food that has no beef or fish etc.

She throws up dry food as well...but not as frequently. I currently have
her on Whiskas dry...just regular commercial brand cat food. This was
actually advice from the vet at one time. She has always been a tiny
girl and the vet wanted her to keep weight on. I had her on Eukanuba and
the vet suggested a more "fattening" brand of food just to put the
weight on. Looking back I question that advice, but I was always happy
with the vet. To be honest, it is indeed time for Luna to have a vet
visit, so Im thinking I may try a new vet (the one where we had Jasper
checked out) since I have moved and this new vet is in my neighborhood.
Man, if being a cat mommy is tough, I am a little nervous about being a
human mommy some day! :)
Monique Y. Mudama - 10 Feb 2005 05:58 GMT
> I would really like to switch the Lunameister to canned/wet food, but she
> barfs it up pretty quickly. She seems to have SUCH a sensitive tummy. I'd
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> he'll go for it. Im trying the mix it method, but he REALLY seems to want
> his friskies. Brat. ;-)

I wish I could help, but Oscar has been unusually tolerant in this regard.
She doesn't love wet food, but she'll eat it if that's all she gets.

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kitkat - 10 Feb 2005 02:47 GMT
>>>>lol!! Not funny if it is your coat, but wow, I guess Dash knew how to
>
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> Mine don't punish me for leaving them alone overlong, but they do generally
> throw up. I think they get stressed.

Luna definitely "horks" more when left alone. We call her the
horkinator. Silly little girl! :)
Meghan Noecker - 07 Feb 2005 10:40 GMT
>See, your experience is the same as mine. Even though I do agree that
>people whose pets do this should have the vet check them, especially
>since UTIs can be so dangerous, every time my cats have done this
>it was because they were upset about something.

Yes, in all of my cases, there has been a fairly obvious reason. And
with Chase and the box, except for the pellet litter, I could see his
point. I was guilty as charged. And I deserved it. he is pickier than
the others, but I wouldn't want to use a dirty litter box either.

The pellet litter wasn't my fault - he just didn't like it. And he got
his point across. I certainly never bought it again.

I remember hearing a statement in regard to raising children. They all
have their own "currency". If you know what motivates them, you can
use that to get them to do the right thing, either by having them earn
that item, or you taking it away when they do something bad.

The cats know I don't want any messes on my bed. So, my bed is a good
place to leave messages. I may get upset, but I get the point too.

As far as the separation anxiety, I think it was more a matter of
going to her comfort zone than trying to leave me a message. And I
understand that too. I always go to my bed when I don't feel good
either. I just wish they could learn to heave over the edge into a
trash can like I do :)

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Mary - 07 Feb 2005 14:45 GMT
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>I always go to my bed when I don't feel good
> either. I just wish they could learn to heave over the edge into a
> trash can like I do :)

Cheeks executed the most amazing projectile vomit
*from her cat perch in the window" all the way to the
floor and all over a bunch of important papers. (None,
of course, as important as she is.) She gets so upset
when she makes a mess that as I run for the paper
towells I say, "It's okay, don't worry, I'll clean it up!"
 
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