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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / February 2005Cat Peeing Question
Hi All, Having a small problem with our 9 month old house cat. He is male and not fixed as of yet. No problems to speak of and has never has issues before and I don't know how big of a deal this is. Our cat has been peeing on the floor every now and then. He has gone in the basement, and in my office (2x). Thats it. His box is always clean and he uses it all the time. Recently he went on a magazine that was left on the floor in my office. Also on the basement floor, and on the rug in a bedroom. Any ideas?? Thank you!!! JDUVA2000@aol.com wrote in news:1105648388.863945.185000 @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com: > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Thank you!!! Hi, Any change in litter box habits should be checked out by a vet asap. This is especially true for males, who can get blockages in their urethra, a very serious condition. Peeing in inappropriate places can be a symptom of this and other urinary conditions, so please call and take him to the vet and let us know how it goes. --Catherine & Rosalie the calico Take him to the vet he may have a UTI > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Thank you!!! Yes, possible UTI. This is exactly what my male cat was doing when he had a UTI, when he was approx. 2 yrs. old. If he's marking, then not being neutered would be a big part of it, but it sounds like he's simply peeing in appropriate places now & again - in which case he needs to go to the vet to have his urine cultured. If it is a UTI, a round or two of antibiotics should cure it. While there, I'd make an appt. to have him neutered... Cathy WOW, Thank you to all for the ultra fast replies!! I was thinking it might be UTI, but.. he only does it every once in awhile. the last time was on Tuesday. Before that was in November, before that was maybe a month earlier. Its very intermitent, I thought maybe he was angry at us for something. but I will follow the advice and take him in ASAP. Thank you to all who have responded!! JB > > Hi All, > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Cathy Before taking the cat to the vet for a UTI check, I would get the cat neutered and see if it changes his behavior. It may very well be he is marking is territory because he is not neutered.  SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > WOW, > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >> >> Cathy > Before taking the cat to the vet for a UTI check, I would get the cat > neutered and see if it changes his behavior. It may very well be he is > marking is territory because he is not neutered. I have no quarrel with getting the cat neutered; it should be done - soon, IMO. But I *do* have a problem w/ not getting him checked for a UTI first. Ever have a UTI?? Not fun. If a medical proablem *might* exist, why not get it checked out & treated, if needed, first? Cathy > > WOW, > > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > >> > >> Cathy Risk vs benefit. Full anesthetic surgery and trauma to that area with an undiscovered UTI can risk the cat's life and health. An exam for UTI first risks only a little money. I'd hope a vet would ask enough questions to discover a possibility of UTI, then make his/her own decision. Margaret ------------ > > Before taking the cat to the vet for a UTI check, I would get the cat > > neutered and see if it changes his behavior. It may very well be he is [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Ever have a UTI?? Not fun. If a medical proablem *might* exist, why not > get it checked out & treated, if needed, first? > Risk vs benefit. Full anesthetic surgery and trauma to that area with an > undiscovered UTI can risk the cat's life and health. An exam for UTI first [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Margaret > ------------ Right. Cat should be checked for UTI first, THEN neutered. Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net "Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG Just out of curiosity how much does a UTI screening cost? SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > Risk vs benefit. Full anesthetic surgery and trauma to that area with an > undiscovered UTI can risk the cat's life and health. An exam for UTI first [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> Ever have a UTI?? Not fun. If a medical proablem *might* exist, why not >> get it checked out & treated, if needed, first? > Just out of curiosity how much does a UTI screening cost? I'm just guessing, but you would prob be charged an exam, vet will want to feel the bladder, and then the urine check. Maybe $75 in all? Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net "Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG > I have no quarrel with getting the cat neutered; it should be done - soon, > IMO. But I *do* have a problem w/ not getting him checked for a UTI first. > Ever have a UTI?? Not fun. If a medical proablem *might* exist, why not > get it checked out & treated, if needed, first? I've had one! Well, a few. If I thought there were even the slightest chance that Oscar had a UTI, I'd bundle her off to the vet first thing. UTIs are MISERABLE. Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* > WOW, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > JB My Isabelle only peed outside the box every once in a while as well. I waited and she ended up with one heck of a UTI. Took 10 days on Clavamox and 21 days on a stronger antibiotic (I forget what now) to get it cleared up. While your at the vet make arrangements to get your guy neutered. He'll be much happier. W > > WOW, > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > My Isabelle only peed outside the box every once in a while as well. I > waited and she ended up with one heck of a UTI. Took 10 days on Clavamox and 21 days on a stronger antibiotic (I forget what now) to get it cleared up. There can be a problem with crystals forming in the urine, producing urinary problems which may not follow the timing we'd usually associate with infection, but can lead to infection. More info: http://tinyurl.com/4xeg7 Margaret Your cat will spray until you get him fixed. Please do so as soon as possible! It is the only solution. > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Thank you!!! > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Thank you!!! This isn't 'spraying'. 'Spraying' is when they squirt backwards on a vertical surface -- like a dog leaving his mark on a fire hydrant. That's a normal territorial thing. What you're describing -- leaving puddles on horizontal surfaces -- can be a symptom of urinary problems, which might be serious. As most others have said, get him to a vet for examination asap. Margaret Not necessarily. Female cats can leave markers and spraying doesn't always have to be verticle when it comes to male cats. Peeing no matter how you slice it is a way to mark territory. While UTI is a possibility, I would have the cat neutered first and see if that solves the problem. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com >> Hi All, >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Margaret You asked elsewhere about cost of a UTI screening. If vet fees are a problem, you might, under your vet's supervision and advice, look at some products for pre-screening your own cats for advance warning of a crystal-forming situation. For example various products to test the acidity of the urine. I've seen mention of a brand of litter that changes color if the urine is in a dangerous range. Actually 'UTI' may be a misnomer here, as some quite bad blockages can come from crystals or 'stones' long before any infection has time to develop. > Not necessarily. Female cats can leave markers and spraying doesn't always > have to be verticle when it comes to male cats. Not to belabor this, but someone might miscommunicate with their vet by calling any inappropriate peeing 'spraying'. 'Spraying' for territory marking and/or attracting a mate is normally a squirt horizontally backwards -- that's a posture thing. Usually they choose a vertical surface level with their sprayer :) as target. It might make a pool at the bottom of the wall or whatever, but if they 'spray' without a vertical surface, it's unlikely to make a pool on the floor -- it would make a scattered spray or long squirt sort of mess. Little pools on horizontal surfaces may be symptoms of a relaxation incontinence, or infection or blockage. It can happen when relaxed, or they might be so uncomfortable that they would relieve themselves wherever they happen to be. If a cat is trying to stand up and squirt/spray, but all he/she is getting is a dribble, that too may be a sign of blockage. Margaret > Actually 'UTI' may be a misnomer here, as some quite bad blockages can come > from crystals or 'stones' long before any infection has time to develop. I was referring to a UTI just in terms of a bacterial infection of the urethra &/or bladder. Cathy Well that might be a plus to have it pre-screened before taking them in. Icarus and Isis can be fireballs when dealing with the vet. One vet couldn't get Icarus accurately weighed because he put up a real fuss. Isis had a problem getting a shot once. Jade had no problems the last time she had to get shots because I was right there with her. I should mention that all of my cats are using the litterbox normally despite those couple of incidents. I have taken to cleaning the litterbox just before going to bed in case it is a litterbox issue but they have been fighting a lot lately. Icarus has dominance issues so it wouldn't be surprising if he has stressed out the other two cats to the point where they are laying down spots to mark their territory on the bed. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > > You asked elsewhere about cost of a UTI screening. If vet fees are a [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Margaret > Well that might be a plus to have it pre-screened before taking them in. > Icarus and Isis can be fireballs when dealing with the vet. One vet [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > stressed out the other two cats to the point where they are laying down > spots to mark their territory on the bed. Why not try Feliway diffusers to calm things down? Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net "Wake up, and smell the cat food" -TMBG I might be trying that but I have heard they are more expensive than the spray which I might be buying. I have Rescue Remedy which I might use as well. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > Why not try Feliway diffusers to calm things down? /snip/ > I have taken to cleaning the litterbox just before going to bed in case it > is a litterbox issue but they have been fighting a lot lately. Icarus has > dominance issues so it wouldn't be surprising if he has stressed out the > other two cats to the point where they are laying down spots to mark their > territory on the bed. Or they might be scared to use the litterbox if he is claiming it as his territory. A lot of things could be going on, but having a separate litter box for each cat, in separate rooms if possible, ought to relieve a lot of their stress. Cleaning the boxes frequently is a good idea too. Margaret Actually, Icarus seems usually ok about the others the litterbox. Isis and Jade seem to use it normally. I'd set down a litterbox for each cat but have very little space in this place right now which is why I got one large one which I scoop out plenty of times during the day and just before I go to sleep now. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > Or they might be scared to use the litterbox if he is claiming it as his > territory. A lot of things could be going on, but having a separate litter > box for each cat, in separate rooms if possible, ought to relieve a lot of > their stress. Cleaning the boxes frequently is a good idea too. > > Margaret Considering you have 3 cats & one litter box, esp. coupled w/ some feline stress, I'd definitely try using at least one more box. It would only take up approx. 2 more sq. ft. of floor space. It could be tucked into a corner, under a desk, whatever... Cathy > Actually, Icarus seems usually ok about the others the litterbox. Isis and > Jade seem to use it normally. > I'd set down a litterbox for each cat but have very little space in this > place right now which is why I got one large one which I scoop out plenty of > times during the day and just before I go to sleep now. > > Or they might be scared to use the litterbox if he is claiming it as his > > territory. A lot of things could be going on, but having a separate litter > > box for each cat, in separate rooms if possible, ought to relieve a lot of > > their stress. Cleaning the boxes frequently is a good idea too. > > > > Margaret >Or they might be scared to use the litterbox if he is claiming it as his >territory. A lot of things could be going on, but having a separate litter >box for each cat, in separate rooms if possible, ought to relieve a lot of >their stress. Cleaning the boxes frequently is a good idea too. I had a short time last year where Kira started peeing on the bed. That's her way of telling me that something is wrong with the litterbox. The problem? Chase was attacking her in the box. He hears her scratch and comes running to stalk her. Once I realized the problem, I took her for some escorted trips to the box. She was upset the first time when I put her there and blocked her way. But I think she understood the second time. She had a personal bodyguard. For a few weeks, I made a point of escorting her and waiting with her. After that, she seemed okay again going by herself. But I do still guard her sometimes, and I watch for Chase stalking her. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com Well it's been a few days and I have found no spots on the bed. I have been checking on the cats when they go to use the litterbox so it is possible I was having the same issue as you. I know there have been a few times where if Isis and Jade are using the litterbox Icarus decides to enter the area. He has agression issues because he is fighting to be top cat. All the cats are using the litterbox normally despite the few times Icarus decides to check in on Jade or Isis using it. SignatureCat Galaxy: All Cats! All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com Panther TEK: Staying On Top Of Your Computer Needs! www.panthertekit.com > I had a short time last year where Kira started peeing on the bed. > That's her way of telling me that something is wrong with the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Equine and Pet Photography > http://www.zoocrewphoto.com > >Or they might be scared to use the litterbox if he is claiming it as his > >territory. A lot of things could be going on, but having a separate litter [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > But I do still guard her sometimes, and I watch for Chase stalking > her. Still it might be a bit stressful for her. What about an enclosed litter box so at least she would be protected from 3 sides, if there is no room for her to have a box of her own? Margaret > Still it might be a bit stressful for her. What about an enclosed litter box > so at least she would be protected from 3 sides, if there is no room for her > to have a box of her own? I could imagine an enclosed litterbox would look a lot like a trap to a scared kitty ... Signaturemonique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!* >> Still it might be a bit stressful for her. What about an enclosed litter box >> so at least she would be protected from 3 sides, if there is no room for her >> to have a box of her own? > >I could imagine an enclosed litterbox would look a lot like a trap to a scared >kitty ... Yes. If she is feeling spooked, or I see him stalking, then I make sure Chase is clear, and I stand guard. She knows that no human will let Chase attack her. When I am in bed, and he is after her, I can hear them coming. Thankfully, she is growly and hissy as she runs, so I can pull the covers up over my head before she runs across me to get behind me. Usually Chase stops at the bed since he knows better. Kira sits on teh headboard or sleeps next to me. Chase sleeps at the foot of the bed. If he tries to creep closer, Kira will growl, and I can use my foot to redirect him. He has mellowed a bit and will hopefully contiue. He is 4 years old. Kira is 10. Chase goes after Maynard on occasion, but he goes into scream mode, and swats back. He doesn't run, so he isn't as exciting to chase. And he brings all humans down on Chase. Nobody messes with Maynard (he's 18 years old). Kira is a Balinese with a fluffy tail that doesn't stop moving - kinda like a squirrel. We protect her, but we also know that she teases him sometimes. I've seen her walk up to him and sniff his tail, then growl when he looks at her. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com >Still it might be a bit stressful for her. What about an enclosed litter box >so at least she would be protected from 3 sides, if there is no room for her >to have a box of her own? The real problem is when she gets out. He doesn't attack until she tries to leave. Sometimes, she is smart enough to growl or have a hissy fit. Then somebody will come and rescue her. Other times, she runs with him in hot pursuit. And then the noise begins and we go after him. That usually means some time for him in his halter, or as we call it, his twisted halo. She doesn't like covered boxes. She likes to wipe her paws on the walls, and she spends a good 10 minutes doing it. Unfortunately, this is what tells him that she is in the box. Fortunately, the problem isn't as bad. He does have regular sessions with his twisted halo, and while he probbaly chases her a few times a day, the kitty litter chase is not every day. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com >I've seen mention of a brand of litter that changes color if >the urine is in a dangerous range. Do you know any more about this - brand name or something? I don't have any cats with problems right now, but it might be a nice thing to scatter in the regular litter as a warning system. Signature-- Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com >Not necessarily. Female cats can leave markers and spraying doesn't always >have to be verticle when it comes to male cats. Peeing no matter how you >slice it is a way to mark territory. While UTI is a possibility, I would >have the cat neutered first and see if that solves the problem. I don't know, CP. I've always thought marking was when the cat stomps and sprays vertically. Any time my cats just plain *peed* in a weird place, it was always UTI. (males). Two separate things. Anybody else? Sherry |
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