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cagney - 10 Jan 2005 00:32 GMT My beautiful 12 year old dachshund died two weeks ago and my girlfriend is still a mess because of it. A woman I work for said to me "still" concerning my girlfriend sadness towards losing her dog. I can not believe her comment!! It has only been two weeks!! We are "still" grieving and sad for our little girl. I told her this already. She has a dog and a cat and she considers herself the master not the mommy of these pets. My dog was everything to me. It will take sometime for me to get over her. I miss her so much. Thankfully I have a cat to hold onto but it's not the same as a dog. Any way how can I have her understand my dachshund was more of a friend than anyone could be, and a huge part of my family. Or am I wasting my time on this idiot. I am so mad at her. I must deal with this soon. Thank you
Magic Mood Jeep? - 10 Jan 2005 00:52 GMT Just tell the insensitive idiot that your dog was a part of your family, one of your best friends, not just a possesion. If she doesn't get it then, than she never will, so she's not worth wasting your breath over. Just remember the incident when one of *her* family member passes on, and if she's still upset after two weeks, make a similar comment to her. She gets mad, tell her "that's what my dog was to me. *Now* do you understand?"
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My beautiful 12 year old dachshund died two weeks ago and my girlfriend is still a mess because of it. A woman I work for said to me "still" concerning my girlfriend sadness towards losing her dog. I can not believe her comment!! It has only been two weeks!! We are "still" grieving and sad for our little girl. I told her this already. She has a dog and a cat and she considers herself the master not the mommy of these pets. My dog was everything to me. It will take sometime for me to get over her. I miss her so much. Thankfully I have a cat to hold onto but it's not the same as a dog. Any way how can I have her understand my dachshund was more of a friend than anyone could be, and a huge part of my family. Or am I wasting my time on this idiot. I am so mad at her. I must deal with this soon. Thank you
Mary - 10 Jan 2005 00:52 GMT >"cagney" <frequency@cogeco.ca> wrote in message news:G2kEd.16221$Y_4.1857259@read2.cgocable.net...
>My beautiful 12 year old dachshund died two weeks ago and my girlfriend is still a mess because of it. A woman I work for >said to me "still" concerning my girlfriend sadness towards losing her dog. I can not believe her comment!! It has only been >two weeks!! We are "still" grieving and sad for our little girl. I told her this already.
>She has a dog and a cat and she considers herself the master not the mommy of these pets. My dog was everything to me. >It will take sometime for me to get over her. I miss her so much. Thankfully I have a cat to hold onto but it's not the same as >a dog. Any way how can I have her understand my dachshund was more of a friend than anyone could be, and a huge part >of my family. Or am I wasting my time on this idiot. I am so mad at her. I must deal with this soon.
>Thank you You have depth of emotion and a spirit that far surpass this woman's. Do not allow every shallow, insensitive idiot in the world to get to you. Share your grief with people who understand. YES, you are wasting your time.
Karen Chuplis - 10 Jan 2005 01:01 GMT > My beautiful 12 year old dachshund died two weeks ago and my girlfriend is > still a mess because of it. A woman I work for said to me "still" concerning [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > soon. > Thank you In my experience, these people don't get it and unless that special "soul" animal enters their life they never will. I would have told her I hope that she is not as callous as that to other people who lose family and friends. Might snap her out of her little world where everyone functions like she does.
mlbriggs - 10 Jan 2005 01:05 GMT > My beautiful 12 year old dachshund died two weeks ago and my girlfriend is still a mess because of it. A woman I work for said to me "still" concerning my girlfriend sadness towards losing her dog. I can not believe her comment!! It has only been two weeks!! We are "still" grieving and sad for our little girl. I told her this already. > She has a dog and a cat and she considers herself the master not the mommy of these pets. My dog was everything to me. It will take sometime for me to get over her. I miss her so much. Thankfully I have a cat to hold onto but it's not the same as a dog. Any way how can I have her understand my dachshund was more of a friend than anyone could be, and a huge part of my family. Or am I wasting my time on this idiot. I am so mad at her. I must deal with this soon. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > soon.</FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thank you</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> You answered your own question -- the woman is not worth the bother. Grief takes it's own time. Purrs for the doggies contentment at the Bridge.
Priscilla Ballou - 10 Jan 2005 01:06 GMT > My beautiful 12 year old dachshund died two weeks ago and my girlfriend is > still a mess because of it. A woman I work for said to me "still" concerning [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > deal with this soon. > Thank you You probably can't make her understand. Either one understands or one doesn't. It's hard to have to deal with people who don't get it about companion animals, but we have to. Perhaps you could look at this as if she were tone deaf or color blind. She is just as disabled by her lack of empathy as she would be by some other disabilities. It's her loss. She'll never know the joy and wonder of loving an animal as you do. Perhaps you could work on thinking of her not as an idiot or as a target for anger but as someone to be pitied for her deficit.
And know that there are lots of others in this world like you, like me, like so many people here, who really do understand your loss and the pain you feel.
*hugs*
Priscilla
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cagney - 10 Jan 2005 08:57 GMT Hi Mike I'm not sure if I turned it off, let me know if this looks better. Thanks
> Please turn off your HTML when posting to this group. This is a text > only group. > > ---MIKE--- Monique Y. Mudama - 10 Jan 2005 15:08 GMT > Hi Mike > I'm not sure if I turned it off, let me know if this looks better. Thanks I'm not Mike, but that looks much better.
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Paul M. Cook - 10 Jan 2005 03:00 GMT My beautiful 12 year old dachshund died two weeks ago and my girlfriend is still a mess because of it. A woman I work for said to me "still" concerning my girlfriend sadness towards losing her dog. I can not believe her comment!! It has only been two weeks!! We are "still" grieving and sad for our little girl. I told her this already. She has a dog and a cat and she considers herself the master not the mommy of these pets. My dog was everything to me. It will take sometime for me to get over her. I miss her so much. Thankfully I have a cat to hold onto but it's not the same as a dog. Any way how can I have her understand my dachshund was more of a friend than anyone could be, and a huge part of my family. Or am I wasting my time on this idiot. I am so mad at her. I must deal with this soon. Thank you
You are completely wasting your time trying. Either they get it or they do not. You can't fix a cold heart and if they do not get it, they never will. This crass a-hole of a woman probably needs to soak in a hot bath for a few days. Try to tune out the idiot and find your own peace. The right amount of time to grieve is whatever time it takes. If that be 6 months or 6 years or 60, that's what it takes.
Paul
Alison - 10 Jan 2005 10:30 GMT >>>My beautiful 12 year old dachshund died two weeks ago and my girlfriend is still a mess because of it. A woman I work for said to me "still" concerning my girlfriend sadness towards losing her dog. I can not believe her comment!! It has only been two weeks!! We are "still" grieving and sad for our little girl. I told her this already. She has a dog and a cat and she considers herself the master not the mommy of these pets. My dog was everything to me. It will take sometime for me to get over her. I miss her so much. Thankfully I have a cat to hold onto but it's not the same as a dog. Any way how can I have her understand my dachshund was more of a friend than anyone could be, and a huge part of my family. Or am I wasting my time on this idiot. I am so mad at her. I must deal with this soon. Thank you>>>
This woman just doesn't understand the loss of a pet:(( It took me months to get over the loss of my previous dog Judy. Alison
Monique Y. Mudama - 10 Jan 2005 15:13 GMT > This woman just doesn't understand the loss of a pet:(( It took me months > to get over the loss of my previous dog Judy. Alison I don't think I've yet fully gotten over the loss of my dog Puma, and it's been several years. Partly that's because (long story) my brother was taking care of him and made the decision to euthanize him, so I never had that sense of closure. He tells me that when the injection took effect, you could see Puma's body relax and see how tense Puma had been from the pain. If I had seen that, maybe I'd feel more at peace ...
Anyway, grieving takes as long as it takes, and no one can tell you how long is enough, not for a family member, a pet, or anything else to which we assign emotional significance. Emotions aren't right or wrong; they simply exist.
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Meghan Noecker - 11 Jan 2005 06:31 GMT >Anyway, grieving takes as long as it takes, and no one can tell you how long >is enough, not for a family member, a pet, or anything else to which we assign >emotional significance. Emotions aren't right or wrong; they simply exist. Very true. About 10 years ago, I lost my first cat. 11 months later, I lost my dog.
Now, I loved my dog very much, and I still miss her. And it took me a long time to stop crying at every thought of her. But on that one year anniversary of Fiona's death, I was still grieving for Fiona worse than I was grieving for Seusy. I actually felt guilty that I wasn't grieving enough for Seusy, but it was really that I had spent 19 years with Fiona (my whole childhood), so I just hadn't finished grieving yet.
I grieved just as much for a stray cat that I had only 2 1/2 weeks. As long as we don't let the grief consume us, then it is best to let itself work out as it needs to. I used to be keenly aware of the yearly anniversaries for at least 5 years after their deaths. Now, I have to look up the dates. I know Fiona is in April and Seusy is in May. One is the 11th and one is the 5th. But I can't remember which year, and the dates pass, and days go before before I realize the date has passed.
With Jasper, I know it was in July, and it was 3:06 AM. For me, the date was not so important as the time, since he was the one who died at home with the horrible death. It is the moment, the experience, that I remember. And I looked at the clock when I knew he was gone. I can look up the date since I have records, but it isn't important to me. I know it was 4 years ago, and I still cry when I think of him. But I laugh too. I didn't have him long, but he left a huge impression.
Also, years ago, i was cleaning out my closet, and I found my old pink robe. It is in horrible condition and has a permanent ink stain. But it was Fiona's robe. She loved pink robes, and always sat on my mom. I complained, and they gave me a pink robe for Christmas (I used to have a green one). From then on, she was all over me and my pink robe. I would leave it on the bed for her. I have photos of her with it. When she died. we buried her in a pink robe, but I kept hers. Well, as I was cleaning, I decided I didn't need it, so I tossed it in the trash can. Then I burst into tears. I realized that I still had a lot of emotion attached to that robe, so I stuffed it back in the closet. It doesn't need to be out, but I am not ready to get rid of it. Even now, I have started tearing up, and she died 10 or 11 years ago.
My favorite of grieving is this, written by robert a moeser:
You will find that the hole in your heart turns into a window, through which you will find yourself gazing, wistfully at times, as you remember that cat's life, not her death.
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Ruffiane - 16 Jan 2005 18:43 GMT You let the grief decide. So long as you're functioning in your job and the world, then you're entitled to your sadness. A part of you will always be sad. It's a bigger part of you right now than it will be in a month or a year. It just happens. It honors the life of the animal and what he/she gave you, to grieve.
At the Veterinary Hospital at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia, they have grief counseling for pet owners. Even the courts are beginning to acknowledge that the loss of a companion animal isn't necessarily valued only at the cost of the animal.
You're enlightened and evolved. You can't change someone who isn't. You can only accept and acknowledge.
Mary - 16 Jan 2005 19:20 GMT > You let the grief decide. So long as you're functioning in your job and the > world, then you're entitled to your sadness. A part of you will always be sad. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > You're enlightened and evolved. You can't change someone who isn't. You can > only accept and acknowledge. This is such an articulate and wise post. Way to go!
cagney - 19 Jan 2005 22:57 GMT Thank you everyone who replied. Animal lovers are so understanding and compassionate, I wish everyone understood like we do.
> You let the grief decide. So long as you're functioning in your job and the > world, then you're entitled to your sadness. A part of you will always be sad.
> It's a bigger part of you right now than it will be in a month or a year. It > just happens. It honors the life of the animal and what he/she gave you, to > grieve. > > At the Veterinary Hospital at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia,
> they have grief counseling for pet owners. Even the courts are beginning to > acknowledge that the loss of a companion animal isn't necessarily valued only
> at the cost of the animal. > > You're enlightened and evolved. You can't change someone who isn't. You can > only accept and acknowledge. Rene S. - 10 Jan 2005 20:54 GMT I agree with what everyone has been saying: either someone gets it or they don't. I know people who have cried *more* when a pet dies vs. a person--mainly because the animal is always there through the years giving unconditional love. Hugs and purrs to you and your girlfriend. Rene
cagney - 12 Jan 2005 22:46 GMT Hello and thank you for you input. I know my friend doesn't mean any harm, but I guess she will never understand the loss I feel of my cherished friend, Willow. How I miss Willow so. She was a beautiful, wonderful part of my life. I will never have such a wonderful dog as she was. She will always be in my heart. I do realize it will take some time, and I'm happy to have had her with me through my life.
My beautiful 12 year old dachshund died two weeks ago and my girlfriend is still a mess because of it. A woman I work for said to me "still" concerning my girlfriend sadness towards losing her dog. I can not believe her comment!! It has only been two weeks!! We are "still" grieving and sad for our little girl. I told her this already. She has a dog and a cat and she considers herself the master not the mommy of these pets. My dog was everything to me. It will take sometime for me to get over her. I miss her so much. Thankfully I have a cat to hold onto but it's not the same as a dog. Any way how can I have her understand my dachshund was more of a friend than anyone could be, and a huge part of my family. Or am I wasting my time on this idiot. I am so mad at her. I must deal with this soon. Thank you
-L. - 13 Jan 2005 06:37 GMT > Hello and thank you for you input. I know my friend doesn't mean any harm, but I guess she will never understand the loss I feel of my cherished friend, Willow. How I miss Willow so. She was a beautiful, wonderful part of my life. I will never have such a wonderful dog as she was. She will always be in my heart. I do realize it will take some time, and I'm happy to have had her with me through my life.
You've lost a family member. If this woman says anything else to you, just tell her that. You can't make her feel any different about her own pets but she *should* be a little more sympathetic to your grief. hugs, -L.
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