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cagney - 10 Jan 2005 00:32 GMT
My beautiful 12 year old dachshund died two weeks ago and my girlfriend is still a mess because of it. A woman I work for said to me "still" concerning my girlfriend sadness towards losing her dog.  I can not believe her comment!! It has only been two weeks!!  We are "still" grieving and sad for our little girl. I told her this already.
She has a dog and a cat and she considers herself the master not the mommy of these pets. My dog was everything to me.  It will take sometime for me to get over her.  I miss her so much.  Thankfully I have a cat to hold onto but it's not the same as a dog.  Any way how can I have her understand my dachshund was more of a friend than anyone could be, and a huge part of my family. Or am I wasting my time on this idiot. I am so mad at her.  I must deal with this soon.
Thank you
Magic Mood Jeep? - 10 Jan 2005 00:52 GMT
Just tell the insensitive idiot that your dog was a part of your family, one
of your best friends, not just a possesion.  If she doesn't get it then,
than she never will, so she's not worth wasting your breath over.  Just
remember the incident when one of *her* family member passes on, and if
she's still upset after two weeks, make a similar comment to her.  She gets
mad, tell her "that's what my dog was to me.  *Now* do you understand?"

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My beautiful 12 year old dachshund died two weeks ago and my girlfriend is
still a mess because of it. A woman I work for said to me "still" concerning
my girlfriend sadness towards losing her dog.  I can not believe her
comment!! It has only been two weeks!!  We are "still" grieving and sad for
our little girl. I told her this already.
She has a dog and a cat and she considers herself the master not the mommy
of these pets. My dog was everything to me.  It will take sometime for me to
get over her.  I miss her so much.  Thankfully I have a cat to hold onto but
it's not the same as a dog.  Any way how can I have her understand my
dachshund was more of a friend than anyone could be, and a huge part of my
family. Or am I wasting my time on this idiot. I am so mad at her.  I must
deal with this soon.
Thank you
Mary - 10 Jan 2005 00:52 GMT
>"cagney" <frequency@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:G2kEd.16221$Y_4.1857259@read2.cgocable.net...
>My beautiful 12 year old dachshund died two weeks ago and my girlfriend is
still a mess because of it. A woman I work for >said to me "still"
concerning my girlfriend sadness towards losing her dog.  I can not believe
her comment!! It has only been >two weeks!!  We are "still" grieving and sad
for our little girl. I told her this already.
>She has a dog and a cat and she considers herself the master not the mommy
of these pets. My dog was everything to me.  >It will take sometime for me
to get over her.  I miss her so much.  Thankfully I have a cat to hold onto
but it's not the same as >a dog.  Any way how can I have her understand my
dachshund was more of a friend than anyone could be, and a huge part >of my
family. Or am I wasting my time on this idiot. I am so mad at her.  I must
deal with this soon.
>Thank you

You have depth of emotion and a spirit that far surpass this woman's. Do not
allow every shallow, insensitive
idiot in the world to get to you. Share your grief with people who
understand. YES, you are wasting your time.
Karen Chuplis - 10 Jan 2005 01:01 GMT
> My beautiful 12 year old dachshund died two weeks ago and my girlfriend is
> still a mess because of it. A woman I work for said to me "still" concerning
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> soon.
> Thank you

In my experience, these people don't get it and unless that special "soul"
animal enters their life they never will. I would have told her I hope that
she is not as callous as that to other people who lose family and friends.
Might snap her out of her little world where everyone functions like she
does.
mlbriggs - 10 Jan 2005 01:05 GMT
> My beautiful 12 year old dachshund died two weeks ago and my girlfriend is still a mess because of it. A woman I work for said to me "still" concerning my girlfriend sadness towards losing her dog.  I can not believe her comment!! It has only been two weeks!!  We are "still" grieving and sad for our little girl. I told her this already.
>  She has a dog and a cat and she considers herself the master not the mommy of these pets. My dog was everything to me.  It will take sometime for me to get over her.  I miss her so much.  Thankfully I have a cat to hold onto but it's not the same as a dog.  Any way how can I have her understand my dachshund was more of a friend than anyone could be, and a huge part of my family. Or am I wasting my time on this idiot. I am so mad at her.  I must deal with this soon.
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You answered your own question -- the woman is not worth the bother.  
Grief takes it's own time.  Purrs for the doggies contentment at the
Bridge.
Priscilla Ballou - 10 Jan 2005 01:06 GMT
> My beautiful 12 year old dachshund died two weeks ago and my girlfriend is
> still a mess because of it. A woman I work for said to me "still" concerning
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>  deal with this soon.
> Thank you

You probably can't make her understand.  Either one understands or one
doesn't.  It's hard to have to deal with people who don't get it about
companion animals, but we have to.  Perhaps you could look at this as if
she were tone deaf or color blind.  She is just as disabled by her lack
of empathy as she would be by some other disabilities.  It's her loss.  
She'll never know the joy and wonder of loving an animal as you do.  
Perhaps you could work on thinking of her not as an idiot or as a target
for anger but as someone to be pitied for her deficit.

And know that there are lots of others in this world like you, like me,
like so many people here, who really do understand your loss and the
pain you feel.

*hugs*

Priscilla

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cagney - 10 Jan 2005 08:57 GMT
Hi Mike
I'm not sure if I turned it off, let me know if this looks better.  Thanks
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Monique Y. Mudama - 10 Jan 2005 15:08 GMT
> Hi Mike
> I'm not sure if I turned it off, let me know if this looks better.  Thanks

I'm not Mike, but that looks much better.

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Paul M. Cook - 10 Jan 2005 03:00 GMT
My beautiful 12 year old dachshund died two weeks ago and my girlfriend is
still a mess because of it. A woman I work for said to me "still" concerning
my girlfriend sadness towards losing her dog.  I can not believe her
comment!! It has only been two weeks!!  We are "still" grieving and sad for
our little girl. I told her this already.
She has a dog and a cat and she considers herself the master not the mommy
of these pets. My dog was everything to me.  It will take sometime for me to
get over her.  I miss her so much.  Thankfully I have a cat to hold onto but
it's not the same as a dog.  Any way how can I have her understand my
dachshund was more of a friend than anyone could be, and a huge part of my
family. Or am I wasting my time on this idiot. I am so mad at her.  I must
deal with this soon.
Thank you

You are completely wasting your time trying.  Either they get it or they do
not.  You can't fix a cold heart and if they do not get it, they never will.
This crass a-hole of a woman probably needs to soak in a hot bath for a few
days.  Try to tune out the idiot and find your own peace.  The right amount
of time to grieve is whatever time it takes.  If that be 6 months or 6 years
or 60, that's what it takes.

Paul
Alison - 10 Jan 2005 10:30 GMT
>>>My beautiful 12 year old dachshund died two weeks ago and my
girlfriend is still a mess because of it. A woman I work for said to
me "still" concerning my girlfriend sadness towards losing her dog.  I
can not believe her comment!! It has only been two weeks!!  We are
"still" grieving and sad for our little girl. I told her this already.
She has a dog and a cat and she considers herself the master not the
mommy of these pets. My dog was everything to me.  It will take
sometime for me to get over her.  I miss her so much.  Thankfully I
have a cat to hold onto but it's not the same as a dog.  Any way how
can I have her understand my dachshund was more of a friend than
anyone could be, and a huge part of my family. Or am I wasting my time
on this idiot. I am so mad at her.  I must deal with this soon.
Thank you>>>

This woman just doesn't understand the loss of a pet:((  It took me
months to get over the loss of my previous dog Judy.
Alison
Monique Y. Mudama - 10 Jan 2005 15:13 GMT
>  This woman just doesn't understand the loss of a pet:((  It took me months
>  to get over the loss of my previous dog Judy.  Alison

I don't think I've yet fully gotten over the loss of my dog Puma, and it's
been several years.  Partly that's because (long story) my brother was taking
care of him and made the decision to euthanize him, so I never had that sense
of closure.  He tells me that when the injection took effect, you could see
Puma's body relax and see how tense Puma had been from the pain.  If I had
seen that, maybe I'd feel more at peace ...

Anyway, grieving takes as long as it takes, and no one can tell you how long
is enough, not for a family member, a pet, or anything else to which we assign
emotional significance.  Emotions aren't right or wrong; they simply exist.

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Meghan Noecker - 11 Jan 2005 06:31 GMT
>Anyway, grieving takes as long as it takes, and no one can tell you how long
>is enough, not for a family member, a pet, or anything else to which we assign
>emotional significance.  Emotions aren't right or wrong; they simply exist.

Very true. About 10 years ago, I lost my first cat. 11 months later, I
lost my dog.

Now, I loved my dog very much, and I still miss her. And it took me a
long time to stop crying at every thought of her. But on that one year
anniversary of Fiona's death, I was still grieving for Fiona worse
than I was grieving for Seusy. I actually felt guilty that I wasn't
grieving enough for Seusy, but it was really that I had spent 19 years
with Fiona (my whole childhood), so I just hadn't finished grieving
yet.

I grieved just as much for a stray cat that I had only 2 1/2 weeks. As
long as we don't let the grief consume us, then it is best to let
itself work out as it needs to. I used to be keenly aware of the
yearly anniversaries for at least 5 years after their deaths. Now, I
have to look up the dates. I know Fiona is in April and Seusy is in
May. One is the 11th and one is the 5th. But I can't remember which
year, and the dates pass, and days go before before I realize the date
has passed.

With Jasper, I know it was in July, and it was 3:06 AM. For me, the
date was not so important as the time, since he was the one who died
at home with the horrible death. It is the moment, the experience,
that I remember. And I looked at the clock when I knew he was gone. I
can look up the date since I have records, but it isn't important to
me. I know it was 4 years ago, and I still cry when I think of him.
But I laugh too. I didn't have him long, but he left a huge
impression.

Also, years ago, i was cleaning out my closet, and I found my old pink
robe. It is in horrible condition and has a permanent ink stain. But
it was Fiona's robe. She loved pink robes, and always sat on my mom. I
complained, and they gave me a pink robe for Christmas (I used to have
a green one). From then on, she was all over me and my pink robe. I
would leave it on the bed for her. I have photos of her with it. When
she died. we buried her in a pink robe, but I kept hers. Well, as I
was cleaning, I decided I didn't need it, so I tossed it in the trash
can. Then I burst into tears. I realized that I still had a lot of
emotion attached to that robe, so I stuffed it back in the closet. It
doesn't need to be out, but I am not ready to get rid of it. Even now,
I have started tearing up, and she died 10 or 11 years ago.

My favorite of grieving is this, written by robert a moeser:

You will find that the hole in your heart turns into a window, through
which you will find yourself gazing, wistfully at times, as you
remember that cat's life, not her death.

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Ruffiane - 16 Jan 2005 18:43 GMT
You let the grief decide. So long as you're functioning in your job and the
world, then you're entitled to your sadness. A part of you will always be sad.
It's a bigger part of you right now than it will be in a month or a year. It
just happens. It honors the life of the animal and what he/she gave you, to
grieve.

At the Veterinary Hospital at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia,
they have grief counseling for pet owners. Even the courts are beginning to
acknowledge that the loss of a companion animal isn't necessarily valued only
at the cost of the animal.

You're enlightened and evolved. You can't change someone who isn't. You can
only accept and acknowledge.
Mary - 16 Jan 2005 19:20 GMT
> You let the grief decide. So long as you're functioning in your job and the
> world, then you're entitled to your sadness. A part of you will always be sad.
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> You're enlightened and evolved. You can't change someone who isn't. You can
> only accept and acknowledge.

This is such an articulate and wise post. Way to go!
cagney - 19 Jan 2005 22:57 GMT
Thank you everyone who replied.  Animal
lovers are so understanding and
compassionate, I wish everyone
understood like we do.

> You let the grief decide. So long as you're functioning in your job and the
> world, then you're entitled to your sadness. A part of you will always be
sad.
> It's a bigger part of you right now than it will be in a month or a year. It
> just happens. It honors the life of the animal and what he/she gave you, to
> grieve.
>
> At the Veterinary Hospital at the University of Pennsylvania in
Philadelphia,
> they have grief counseling for pet owners. Even the courts are beginning to
> acknowledge that the loss of a companion animal isn't necessarily
valued only
> at the cost of the animal.
>
> You're enlightened and evolved. You can't change someone who isn't. You can
> only accept and acknowledge.
Rene S. - 10 Jan 2005 20:54 GMT
I agree with what everyone has been saying: either someone gets it or
they don't. I know people who have cried *more* when a pet dies vs. a
person--mainly because the animal is always there through the years
giving unconditional love. Hugs and purrs to you and your girlfriend.
Rene
cagney - 12 Jan 2005 22:46 GMT
Hello and thank you for you input.  I know my friend doesn't mean any harm, but I guess she will never understand the loss I feel of my cherished friend, Willow. How I miss Willow so.  She was a beautiful, wonderful part of my life. I will never have such a wonderful dog as she was.  She will always be in my heart. I do realize it will take some time, and I'm happy to have had her with me through my life.

 My beautiful 12 year old dachshund died two weeks ago and my girlfriend is still a mess because of it. A woman I work for said to me "still" concerning my girlfriend sadness towards losing her dog.  I can not believe her comment!! It has only been two weeks!!  We are "still" grieving and sad for our little girl. I told her this already.
  She has a dog and a cat and she considers herself the master not the mommy of these pets. My dog was everything to me.  It will take sometime for me to get over her.  I miss her so much.  Thankfully I have a cat to hold onto but it's not the same as a dog.  Any way how can I have her understand my dachshund was more of a friend than anyone could be, and a huge part of my family. Or am I wasting my time on this idiot. I am so mad at her.  I must deal with this soon.
 Thank you
-L. - 13 Jan 2005 06:37 GMT
> Hello and thank you for you input.  I know my friend doesn't mean any harm, but I guess she will never understand the loss I feel of my
cherished friend, Willow. How I miss Willow so.  She was a beautiful,
wonderful part of my life. I will never have such a wonderful dog as
she was.  She will always be in my heart. I do realize it will take
some time, and I'm happy to have had her with me through my life.

You've lost a family member.  If this woman says anything else to you,
just tell her that.  You can't make her feel any different about her
own pets but she *should* be a little more sympathetic to your grief.
hugs,
-L.

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