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Quincy's Pet - 06 Jan 2005 16:07 GMT
First of all, let me say that I am WAY too attached to my cat, Quincy.

He became sick 12/31/04, but I didn't know what was wrong with him.
Because it was a holiday, I didn't bother calling the vet.  On 1/1/05,
I started noticing he was trying to use the litter box, but nothing was
happening.  On 1/2/05, he managed to pass a little urine, but he could
barely walk.  I called the vet and they said to bring him in
immediately, either for treatment or to have him put to sleep.  A few
minutes later, he was admitted to the hospital for urinary blockage.
He was suppose to go home 1/5/05, put he still wasn't urinating by
himself.  They said he might get to go home 1/8/05.  I went to see him
yesterday.  He was very alert and active, he wanted to be loved, was
very vocal, and the wanted to go home.  I'm worried he's not going to
come home and vet bill is getting out of hand.  I don't care about the
bill, but my husband is becoming concerned.  I think he's just jealous
of my devotion to this "animal". I read about using anatomy alteration
in severe cases, which gave me a little hope.  Should I be worried, or
should I just be patient?
Margaret - 06 Jan 2005 17:37 GMT
> First of all, let me say that I am WAY too attached to my cat, Quincy.
>
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> in severe cases, which gave me a little hope.  Should I be worried, or
> should I just be patient?

What does the vet say is causing the urinary blockage?

Margaret
Quincy's Pet - 06 Jan 2005 18:04 GMT
Funny you should ask that.  I haven't received a straight answer.  She
says it could be crystals or just inflamation.  I've asked her if I
should be worried and she gives me a hesitant "I don't think so".
Mary - 06 Jan 2005 18:25 GMT
> Funny you should ask that.  I haven't received a straight answer.  She
> says it could be crystals or just inflamation.  I've asked her if I
> should be worried and she gives me a hesitant "I don't think so".

Might be time to demand a straight answer and make plans
for Quincy to see another vet if you don't get one. Ask for
specifics on his condition. I think they have had him for too
long. Either they fixed it or didn't and need to try something
else. It is cruel to make him stay away from home like this.
Quincy's Pet - 06 Jan 2005 18:35 GMT
I agree.  It is cruel.  He wanted to go with me yesterday and I
couldn't take him.  He started howling when I walked away.  It was so
hard.  My husband and I both started to tear up.  It was bitter sweet
because it was good seeing him alert and active again, but I'm not sure
I did more good or more harm.  I plan on visiting again tomorrow.  I'll
ask the doc what's really going on and what I can expect.  Thanks for
the post.
ceb - 06 Jan 2005 18:50 GMT
"Quincy's Pet" <trn@hawkpci.net> wrote in news:1105036534.592518.95770
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> It was bitter sweet
> because it was good seeing him alert and active again, but I'm not sure
> I did more good or more harm.  I plan on visiting again tomorrow.

I think it does him good to see his beloved human, so don't worry about
that. I know it must be hard to leave him and I'm sure he doesn't
understand, but I am also sure that he loves seeing you whenever you can
visit!

--Catherine
& Rosalie the calicohead
Quincy's Pet - 06 Jan 2005 19:07 GMT
I just want him to know I haven't abandoned him.
Mary - 06 Jan 2005 19:07 GMT
> I agree.  It is cruel.  He wanted to go with me yesterday and I
> couldn't take him.  He started howling when I walked away.  It was so
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> ask the doc what's really going on and what I can expect.  Thanks for
> the post.

Poor you, and it sounds like your husband does love Quincy, too!
I rarely hear of a cat being kept this long, so hopefully they
will tell you that you can take him home. If not, I sure would ask
what they are doing for him that you cannot do at home. You need
your boy home with you and he needs to be at home. Best wishes,
we will all want to hear how it turns out.
Cat Protector - 11 Jan 2005 03:21 GMT
If the doctor doesn't give you an answer I would say it is time to shop for
a new vet for a second opinion.

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>I agree.  It is cruel.  He wanted to go with me yesterday and I
> couldn't take him.  He started howling when I walked away.  It was so
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> ask the doc what's really going on and what I can expect.  Thanks for
> the post.
Slimpickins - 06 Jan 2005 20:00 GMT
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> > Funny you should ask that.  I haven't received a straight answer.  She
> > says it could be crystals or just inflamation.  I've asked her if I
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> long. Either they fixed it or didn't and need to try something
> else. It is cruel to make him stay away from home like this.

Quincy,

Yes, The vet should* be able to see if he's blocked, then and there. If he
was blocked due to crystalitis, my vet had said to me ( when I recently had
supected a blockage in Blue's case just a few months before he passed away)
that he could unblock it, it would relatively painless and for me to pick
Blue up later on that day.

So I hardily agree with Mary, in that, you should seek another vet's
opinion, ASAP, especially if your vet can't answer to you why she's keeping
him over night(??). If it is blockage due to above, then I don't understand
why the vet is keeping him for more* than one night. Clearly your baby
should be home with you* unless it's a dire emergency, IMO. It's certainly
much less stressful on your animal to have him/her at home with you in
familar surrounding, etc. Good luck and keep us posted!

ML
Karen Chuplis - 06 Jan 2005 23:15 GMT
> -
>>
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>
> ML

Overnight is one thing but days is another. That is the part that puzzles
me. To the OP, you could take him a Tshirt you have worn to give him the
comfort of your smell while you are not around.
Cat Protector - 11 Jan 2005 03:28 GMT
I have to agree that the vet should have known what was causing the blockage
by giving a thorough exam. If the vet is reluctant to answer then I'd get
another more reputable vet to handle the issue. It is unknown why the vet
would keep a cat another day unless the situation changed which was a cause
for concern. It sounds like this vet may be trying to get more money out of
this patient by insisting he stay overnight. A second opinion seems like a
good course of action.

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> Yes, The vet should* be able to see if he's blocked, then and there. If he
> was blocked due to crystalitis, my vet had said to me ( when I recently
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>
> ML
Rhonda - 07 Jan 2005 01:14 GMT
Uh huh. That is not a good enough answer.

I don't know how well you know this vet, but I would be taking Quincy to
another vet right away.

There is a vet in this area that keeps animals hospitalized forever,
running up big bills, and not with great results. He's a very bad vet
and makes his money by long hospitalizations since he doesn't have many
return customers. Maybe your vet is not that bad, but sometimes it pays
to be a little suspicious.

What is your vet doing that they need to keep him? Is it medication you
can give at home? I'd be tempted to bring him home right away and get
another vet's opinion tomorrow. Maybe go to a cat group or animal
organization that can recommend a vet.

Good luck with Quincy, please let us know what happens.

Rhonda

> Funny you should ask that.  I haven't received a straight answer.  She
> says it could be crystals or just inflamation.  I've asked her if I
> should be worried and she gives me a hesitant "I don't think so".
Margaret - 07 Jan 2005 02:59 GMT
> Uh huh. That is not a good enough answer.
>
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> another vet's opinion tomorrow. Maybe go to a cat group or animal
> organization that can recommend a vet.

Might go to them first and see what they say about this vet and other local
vets, before burning bridges with this one.

Or, a tactful way to handle this vet might be to say, "If you're not
planning treatments over the weekend, could he come home for the weekend?"

Margaret
who does that with her car sometimes when the mechanic keeps it too long
Cat Protector - 11 Jan 2005 03:31 GMT
When researching vets, I'd look up their record with the Better Business
Bureau and see how many complaints they have against them. Also, ask your
family and friends that have cats which vets they use and if they are happy
with them. It seems the vet in the OP's scenario is one of those that may be
trying to get more money out of a patient here. A second opinion seems like
a good idea here.

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> Uh huh. That is not a good enough answer.
>
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>> says it could be crystals or just inflamation.  I've asked her if I
>> should be worried and she gives me a hesitant "I don't think so".
Priscilla H. Ballou - 06 Jan 2005 17:42 GMT
> First of all, let me say that I am WAY too attached to my cat, Quincy.
>
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> in severe cases, which gave me a little hope.  Should I be worried, or
> should I just be patient?

You got him to the vet, which is the important thing.  Any cat,
particularly an altered male, who shows signs of having problems
eliminating should be checked out by a vet ASAP.  Waiting too long can
kill the cat.  But he's at the vet now.  If I were you I'd ask the vet
about the delay in recovery and what might be causing it.

I had a wonderful altered male, Sinbad, many years ago.  He had
recurring problems with urinary blockage, and eventually he had the
"anatomy alteration" you make reference to.  Essentially they remove the
penis and open out the urethra so he's peeing like a female cat.  That
worked like a charm on Sinbad.

In answer to your last message, I'd be patient, ask questions of the
medical personnel who are hands-on with your cat, and don't fret if they
suggest surgery.  It may be just what's needed and save a lot of future
vet bills for recurrence.  I can't give advice re: your hubby, I'm
afraid.  Personally, I'd be tempted to remind him that he has many more
resources than your poor sick cat, and therefore it behooves him to set
his own needs aside temporarily.  This may partially explain why I'm
single.  ;-)

Priscilla
Quincy's Pet - 06 Jan 2005 18:12 GMT
Thank you so much for your post.

What is it with women and cats?  Have you ever stopped to think about
it?  My grandmother had three failed marriages and finally settled for
being single and caring for cats.  At one time, she had 25!  She passed
away in '99, but I still have one of her cats. There have been several
times I thought I might be happier living the single life with just my
cats and myself.  There was also a survey done once with the results
posted on MSN.com that stated 65% of women surveyed said they felt more
secure sleeping with their cat than with their husbands.  : )

Anyway, I'm not worried about surgery.  I'm just not ready to loose my
Quincy yet!
Mary - 06 Jan 2005 18:30 GMT
> Thank you so much for your post.
>
> What is it with women and cats?

A propensity for excellent taste?!

>Have you ever stopped to think about
> it?  My grandmother had three failed marriages and finally settled for
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> posted on MSN.com that stated 65% of women surveyed said they felt more
> secure sleeping with their cat than with their husbands.  : )

Well, this may be because we know the cats do not mind morning breath
or care when we look disheveled! The key is, the right man doesn't either.
The one that makes you feel most comfortable being exactly who you are
is the prize as far as I am concerned. Just me, but that is what makes, as
Monique put it, my "loins leap." (Honestly, Mo, what the hell does that
mean? lol!!) And, of course, I don't trust anyone who does not like cats
and could never live with any man who does not LOVE cats. Happily,
my husband does. And they adore him--it seems to me like he gets
points just for smelling like a boy to these little females, the way they
rub all over him and do elevator butt and  make Zsa Zsa faces at him.
:)

> Anyway, I'm not worried about surgery.  I'm just not ready to loose my
> Quincy yet!

Bet you don't have to . But stay on top of the vet. You are paying for
answers and timely, effectie treatment.
Quincy's Pet - 06 Jan 2005 18:40 GMT
Thanks again, and I think your absolutely right about our cat fetish
and about the "prize".
: )
Monique Y. Mudama - 06 Jan 2005 20:53 GMT
>>Have you ever stopped to think about it?  My grandmother had three failed
>>marriages and finally settled for being single and caring for cats.  At one
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> prize as far as I am concerned. Just me, but that is what makes, as Monique
> put it, my "loins leap." (Honestly, Mo, what the hell does that mean? lol!!)

Um, it probably means I should have chosen my words better =P

I agree with you 100% about your assessment about the right man.  It disturbs
me, though, that 65% of wives may be nervous about sleeping with their
husbands.  Granted, there are lies, damned lies, and statistics, but I hear
too many statistics and anecdotes about abused, neglected, and generally
unhappy wives to discount this.  Of course, there are men in these situations,
too, but I don't hear about them as much, for whatever reason.

> And, of course, I don't trust anyone who does not like cats and could never
> live with any man who does not LOVE cats. Happily, my husband does. And they
> adore him--it seems to me like he gets points just for smelling like a boy
> to these little females, the way they rub all over him and do elevator butt
> and  make Zsa Zsa faces at him.
>:)

Eric had never been around cats until he met me, but he's come along nicely.
He'll now drag me from whatever I'm doing to show me Oscar "being soooo cute,"
which typically consists of lying on the floor =P  He dances with her, too,
gently taking her front paws in his hands and singing to her.  This from the
man who swore he would "never" be comfortable around her.  And Oscar, I'll
admit, isn't the easiest creature in the world to befriend, but after several
years, she's warmed up to him.

He snuggled with Eros all the time while we had him, which I'm sure didn't
help his allergies any.  Then again, Eros didn't really take "no" for an
answer when it came to snuggling.

>> Anyway, I'm not worried about surgery.  I'm just not ready to loose my
>> Quincy yet!
>
> Bet you don't have to . But stay on top of the vet. You are paying for
> answers and timely, effectie treatment.

100% agreed, also.  Quincy's human, if your doctor put you on some sort of
weird treatment, wouldn't you ask questions, maybe even get a second opinion?
If not, you should!  And the same goes for vets.  Your cat is the one being
treated, your money is being spent, and you need to know what's going on.
They *must* know more than what it sounds like they've told you, which is
pretty much nothing.

Also, you mentioned being worried about causing trauma by visiting.  I am
positive that you are helping your kitty out by visiting.  I wonder if she has
any favorite toys you could bring to her at the vet's to soothe her?

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Priscilla H. Ballou - 06 Jan 2005 21:14 GMT
>  
> Also, you mentioned being worried about causing trauma by visiting.  I am
> positive that you are helping your kitty out by visiting.  I wonder if she has
> any favorite toys you could bring to her at the vet's to soothe her?

And something that smells like you.  When Francis went in for the day
for his cardiac ultrasound about a month ago, I put a t-shirt I'd been
sleeping in into his carrier with him.  Also his stuffed leopard.  ;-)

Priscilla
Meghan Noecker - 07 Jan 2005 08:04 GMT
>>  
>> Also, you mentioned being worried about causing trauma by visiting.  I am
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>for his cardiac ultrasound about a month ago, I put a t-shirt I'd been
>sleeping in into his carrier with him.  Also his stuffed leopard.  ;-)

When we took two cats to be spayed, they were kept together. Same with
the dogs. The vets felt it was better for both of them to have them
together. Obviously, this can't be done with a single pet, but
something familiar, either a stuffed toy, or piece of clothing would
certainly be familiar. And the vets know this and usually welcome
these items since it means less stress on the animals and less noise
for their ears :)

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Karen Chuplis - 06 Jan 2005 23:14 GMT
> Thank you so much for your post.
>
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> Anyway, I'm not worried about surgery.  I'm just not ready to loose my
> Quincy yet!

you shouldn not have to lose Quincy over this. I'm a little surprised at him
having to stay so long and having trouble urinating still. I guess if it
were me, I'd want a straight answer and if he is still having real trouble,
go for the PU. Seems like there should be some idea by now of if he can
recover with a food change or needs the op.
Cat Protector - 11 Jan 2005 03:36 GMT
Actually a lot of the women I have met have dogs which causes me to stay
away from them as I am not a big fan of them. I'd rather date a woman that
has a cat and loves them just as much as I do. It makes things easier
because if she treats her cat well and loves them then I know the
relationship will be a good one.

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> Thank you so much for your post.
>
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> Anyway, I'm not worried about surgery.  I'm just not ready to loose my
> Quincy yet!
Margaret - 07 Jan 2005 02:56 GMT
> > First of all, let me say that I am WAY too attached to my cat, Quincy.
> >
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> penis and open out the urethra so he's peeing like a female cat.  That
> worked like a charm on Sinbad.

How common is this sort of thing, after neutering?

Margaret
ceb - 07 Jan 2005 13:52 GMT
Margaret <email@withheld.com> wrote in news:2vkrw60sge7h.1559ugj0i1zbj
$.dlg@40tude.net:

>> I had a wonderful altered male, Sinbad, many years ago.  He had
>> recurring problems with urinary blockage, and eventually he had the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> How common is this sort of thing, after neutering?

It's very common in males. Nickleby had it, but it was well-controlled by
using the special diet (Hill's C/D).

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& Rosalie the calico
Margaret - 07 Jan 2005 19:45 GMT
> Margaret <email@withheld.com> wrote in news:2vkrw60sge7h.1559ugj0i1zbj
> $.dlg@40tude.net:
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> It's very common in males. Nickleby had it, but it was well-controlled by
> using the special diet (Hill's C/D).

Do you mean common in all males, or neutered males?

Margaret
ceb - 07 Jan 2005 20:07 GMT
>> Margaret <email@withheld.com> wrote in
>> news:2vkrw60sge7h.1559ugj0i1zbj $.dlg@40tude.net:
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Do you mean common in all males, or neutered males?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's common for males,
period -- I don't think neutering affects it either way.

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Priscilla H. Ballou - 07 Jan 2005 20:51 GMT
> >> Margaret <email@withheld.com> wrote in
> >> news:2vkrw60sge7h.1559ugj0i1zbj $.dlg@40tude.net:
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> Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's common for males,
> period -- I don't think neutering affects it either way.

I've always heard "altered males," but now I come to think of it, I
don't know why their being altered would affect it.  It's the length and
narrowness of the male urethra which makes UTIs and cystitis potentially
so much worse for males.

Priscilla
Monique Y. Mudama - 07 Jan 2005 21:13 GMT
> I've always heard "altered males," but now I come to think of it, I don't
> know why their being altered would affect it.  It's the length and
> narrowness of the male urethra which makes UTIs and cystitis potentially so
> much worse for males.

Okay, that's just weird.  In humans, isn't it the case that the female's
shorter urethra is one of the culprits in more frequent UTIs?

*confused*

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Cathy Friedmann - 07 Jan 2005 21:23 GMT
> > I've always heard "altered males," but now I come to think of it, I don't
> > know why their being altered would affect it.  It's the length and
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>
> *confused*

Yes, at least for UTI's, because for human females bacteria has a shorter
route to travel, from the outside, up into the urethra & bladder.

I don't know how that would translate, re: male cats for UTI's (although my
male cat's had one), but for blockage it's a problem that their urethra is
so narrow.

Cathy
Priscilla H. Ballou - 07 Jan 2005 22:32 GMT
> > > I've always heard "altered males," but now I come to think of it, I
> don't
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> Yes, at least for UTI's, because for human females bacteria has a shorter
> route to travel, from the outside, up into the urethra & bladder.

Yup.  Cats don't wipe possibly the wrong way after using the litter box,
and they don't engage in missionary-position sex.  Or at least not that
I've heard about!

> I don't know how that would translate, re: male cats for UTI's (although my
> male cat's had one), but for blockage it's a problem that their urethra is
> so narrow.

More urethra to be inflamed?

Priscilla
Monique Y. Mudama - 07 Jan 2005 22:47 GMT
> Yup.  Cats don't wipe possibly the wrong way after using the litter box, and
> they don't engage in missionary-position sex.  Or at least not that I've
> heard about!

They don't get stuck wearing sweaty undies after engaging in sports, either.
*sigh*

>> I don't know how that would translate, re: male cats for UTI's (although my
>> male cat's had one), but for blockage it's a problem that their urethra is
>> so narrow.
>
> More urethra to be inflamed?

Sure.  It's just interesting, opposite situations producing the same results.

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Cheryl - 07 Jan 2005 23:50 GMT
>> I don't know how that would translate, re: male cats for UTI's
>> (although my male cat's had one), but for blockage it's a
>> problem that their urethra is so narrow.
>
> More urethra to be inflamed?

Too narrow for smaller crystals that would be easily passed by a
female, is the way I understand it. Then they build up causing a
blockage.

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Cathy Friedmann - 08 Jan 2005 00:06 GMT
> >> I don't know how that would translate, re: male cats for UTI's
> >> (although my male cat's had one), but for blockage it's a
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> female, is the way I understand it. Then they build up causing a
> blockage.

Right.  But I was wondering about an infection - a UTI, without blockage.
If it's just as common in male cats as in females, although in humans it's
much more common for a female to contract a UTI than for a male.

Cathy
Cheryl - 08 Jan 2005 00:27 GMT
> Right.  But I was wondering about an infection - a UTI, without
> blockage. If it's just as common in male cats as in females,
> although in humans it's much more common for a female to
> contract a UTI than for a male.

Oh, gotcha. TBH, I've never had a cat with a UTI other than when I
suspected Bonnie did just after she was "freed" in my house. She
would run from litterbox to litterbox and I've since discovered that
she is one of those cats who likes one for "each". At the time
though, it seemed like a UTI and the vet even prescribed antibiotics
because her bladder was empty when she checked her and apparently
that is a common symptom of UTI.  I've always had male cats, for
years. Never had one with "pee problems".

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Cat man - 09 Jan 2005 16:49 GMT
wow, I've never heard of anatomy alteration, but if it saves your poor
cat, then you should do it. by the way,l agree with Priscilla about
your husband, I would never be selfish like that, thinking about myself
rather than a cat in mortal danger. gees, u should have a talk wit him
"no offense" about the surgery and why he put his needs 1st
Quincy's Pet - 06 Jan 2005 21:35 GMT
Thank you all so very much for your encouragement, companionship, and
advice.  I will definitely let you know what's going on.  That is, when
I find out.
I just miss that darn cat so much!

^    ^
*  *
>v<
  o    ...meow
Karen Chuplis - 06 Jan 2005 23:15 GMT
> Thank you all so very much for your encouragement, companionship, and
> advice.  I will definitely let you know what's going on.  That is, when
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>> v<
> o    ...meow

It's awful quiet when they aren't around. Even when you have more than one
cat, the void is astounding. I hate it when they have to stay at the vet.
Meghan Noecker - 07 Jan 2005 08:13 GMT
>It's awful quiet when they aren't around. Even when you have more than one
>cat, the void is astounding. I hate it when they have to stay at the vet.

I can't stand it. I just worry the whole time.

A couple years ago, I had to take my dog in every two weeks for mange
treatment. She cound't do the pills, so she had to have it applied to
her face, right around her eye. I had to drop her off in the morning
and wait til early evening to pick her up. It bothered me so much that
I requested those days off from work so that I could be there as soon
as possible. I would even call to see if she was ready early. On the
days I had to work, I would call home until they told me she was home
and happy.

When I took my elderly cat in for an abcess, I had to leave him all
day. They had to clean it out, give him some meds, and do some
bloodwork on him. He was 16, and they wanted to do a full check on
him. And it was a horribly busy day. Lots of emergencies. He wasn't
ready to leave until half an hour after they closed. They said he was
wonderful. They didn't have to give any sedatives since he was so well
behaved and cooperative, and he came home feeling a lot better than he
went in. But I was miserable all day.

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W. Leong - 07 Jan 2005 14:19 GMT
My cat Rusty went through something similar some years ago. I
rushed him to a 24 hr. animal hospital as his regular vet was gone for the
day.
He was completely blocked and was hospitalized for the weekend.
I wasn't allowed to  visit him but the vets kept me updated by phone.
They put a catheter in to unblock him. Rusty was released only after he
could urinate by himself.
That was his second blockage after he was on a prescription diet for a year
or two. 'Anatomy alteration' was recommended when he was discharged from the
hospital.  But his regular vet said that should be the
last resort.  So Rusty didn't have the operation. We switched to another
prescription canned food for urinary blockage. Subsequently he had several
episodes of crystals in his urine but no blockage. I made sure he gets
plenty
of fluid by adding water to his canned food. Over the years Rusty's vet and
food bills has been piling up. Many times I didn't think he was going to
make
it to a ripe old age. But he is 10 now.
You have to watch Quincy very closely after he comes home and stick strictly
to a prescription diet for urinary blockage.
Please keep us posted.

> First of all, let me say that I am WAY too attached to my cat, Quincy.
>
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> in severe cases, which gave me a little hope.  Should I be worried, or
> should I just be patient?
Quincy's Pet - 10 Jan 2005 19:03 GMT
Good News!!!

I took Friday off from work because a large block of ice fell from an
eighteen wheeler and did some MAJOR damage to my 2004 Corolla :o(
Anyway, I went to the vet to see Quincey while I was waiting for my
insurance company to call me back.  After we saw him last Wednesday, he
removed is IV and catheter himself. OUCH!  I new he wanted to go home
:o)  He passed fluids all day Thursday and we were able to take him
home Friday morning.  We were all so happy!  He would not stop
following me around for 3 days.  The other cat hissed at him because
she was enjoying the extra attention she was receiving.  After Quincy
slapped her yesterday, the hissing has stopped.  The vet bill was
horrible, but we'll manage.  I'm just so glad he's OK.  He's already
back to normal.  Slapping the aquarium, ignoring me unless HE wants
attention, etc...  He doesn't pass a lot of liquid at a time, but he is
going very frequently.  We are watching him like a hawk. He is on a
prescription diet and must have bottled water only.  He likes the food
and we keep plenty of bottled water on hand due to 2 firebellied toads
and 2 firebellied newts.

I just wanted everyone to know that he is home and doing great.  And
thank you again for your support!
Mary - 10 Jan 2005 19:17 GMT
> Good News!!!
>
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> I just wanted everyone to know that he is home and doing great.  And
> thank you again for your support!

Oh, thanks to the Kitty Goddess and whoever else had anything to
do with it! Now we need to see some pictures of this famous
Quincy!
Karen Chuplis - 10 Jan 2005 19:25 GMT
> Good News!!!
>
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> I just wanted everyone to know that he is home and doing great.  And
> thank you again for your support!

That's very good news. Keep lots of bowls of water around the house to
encourage drinking (this really DOES help). He is probably QUITE swollen
from the catheter and may have to do more frequent smaller amounts for a
while. I"m glad he is home.
ceb - 10 Jan 2005 19:42 GMT
"Quincy's Pet" <trn@hawkpci.net> wrote in news:1105383820.797583.312960
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> I just wanted everyone to know that he is home and doing great.  And
> thank you again for your support!

Glad to hear it!

--Catherine
& Rosalie the calico
Monique Y. Mudama - 10 Jan 2005 20:05 GMT
> I just wanted everyone to know that he is home and doing great.  And thank
> you again for your support!

That's wonderful!  (All except the bit about your car getting crunched, that
is.)

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Priscilla H. Ballou - 10 Jan 2005 20:05 GMT
>  
> I just wanted everyone to know that he is home and doing great.  And
> thank you again for your support!

Oh, good!  This is excellent news.  Give him a scritchy-scratch from me.

Priscilla
W. Leong - 10 Jan 2005 20:30 GMT
That's great news indeed.
My cat Rusty also removed his catheter himself while in the emergency
hospital. The vet told me that on the phone and said he was a bad boy.

Make sure Quincy only eats his prescription food and nothing else.
I added distilled water to Rusty's food to make sure he get enough fluid.
Is Quincy getting dry food or canned food? Rusty's vet switched him from
dry to canned  which has lots of water in it after he came home from the
hospital.
I can sympathize with the huge vet bill, especially in this time of the
year.
Been there, done that.

Winnie
> Good News!!!
>
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> I just wanted everyone to know that he is home and doing great.  And
> thank you again for your support!
Cat Protector - 11 Jan 2005 03:49 GMT
I actually give my cats bottled water every day. Of course that hasn't
stopped one of them from drinking the water from the bathtub after I take a
shower which I find disgusting. The cats have plenty of clear clean water
and it is amazing how they'll want tap as well.

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> That's great news indeed.
> My cat Rusty also removed his catheter himself while in the emergency
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>> I just wanted everyone to know that he is home and doing great.  And
>> thank you again for your support!
Cathy Friedmann - 11 Jan 2005 02:40 GMT
> Good News!!!
>
> I took Friday off from work because a large block of ice fell from an
> eighteen wheeler and did some MAJOR damage to my 2004 Corolla :o(

Hey, I drive an '04 Corolla, too (have had Corollas since '84) - congrats on
a smart purchase! ;-)  But too bad about the damage.  My '98 Corolla had a
huge tree limb land on it during a storm of heavy snow when it was all of 2
months old.  So, BTDT.

> Anyway, I went to the vet to see Quincey while I was waiting for my
> insurance company to call me back.
<snipped>
> I just wanted everyone to know that he is home and doing great.  And
> thank you again for your support!

This is excellent! :-))

Cathy
Monique Y. Mudama - 11 Jan 2005 03:07 GMT
>> Good News!!!
>>
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> huge tree limb land on it during a storm of heavy snow when it was all of 2
> months old.  So, BTDT.

Sounds more like a dangerous car to have, to me =P

Of course, a commercial driver backed his snowboard rack into the hatchback of
my 4-day-old WRX last year.  Yes, four days.  It's lots of fun driving a car
with a crunched back end and temp tags =/

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Cat Protector - 11 Jan 2005 03:46 GMT
Nice to see your cat is home and it worked out somewhat. I'd be a bit
disturbed about the bill though. It sounds like this vet may have taken
advantage of things wallet wise.

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> Good News!!!
>
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> I just wanted everyone to know that he is home and doing great.  And
> thank you again for your support!
Quincy's Pet - 11 Jan 2005 01:54 GMT
Here you are.  These are my most recent pictures of Quincy.
Enjoy!

http://www.hawkpci.net/nowell/quincy.htm
Priscilla Ballou - 11 Jan 2005 01:57 GMT
> Here you are.  These are my most recent pictures of Quincy.
> Enjoy!
>
> http://www.hawkpci.net/nowell/quincy.htm

What a handsome boy!  Who's the positively Kliban cat to his left?

Priscilla

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Quincy's Pet - 11 Jan 2005 13:40 GMT
That's Ms. C, or Missy.  We adopted her sometime last year.  For the
most part, she's a great cat.  She was really sweet when Quincy became
sick.  She would check on him and give him baths.  However, after
Quincy was put in the hospital, she received all the attention.  Now
that he's back, she hisses at him and sometimes swats at him.  This
makes me mad, but I know where she's coming from.  Hopefully, she will
be back to her sweet self soon.  She's about 7 or 8 and likes to roll
on her back like a horse and run around the house like her tail is on
fire.  She also likes to sleep with me and so does Quincy.  Some
nights, things get pretty crowded.  She also goes around meowing like
we are suppose to know what she's saying.  We check her water, her
litter box, and her food situation, but cannot find what she's meowing
about.  She's a little skittish as well.  If you are not sitting still
somewhere, waiting for her to come to you, it's nearly impossible to
pet her, even when she's meowing.  She doesn't usually like to be
picked up, but I was able to pick her up several times last week
without being mortally wounded.
Mary - 11 Jan 2005 19:04 GMT
> That's Ms. C, or Missy.  We adopted her sometime last year.  For the
> most part, she's a great cat.  She was really sweet when Quincy became
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> picked up, but I was able to pick her up several times last week
> without being mortally wounded.

She sounds like a handful!
Meghan Noecker - 12 Jan 2005 10:02 GMT
>That's Ms. C, or Missy.  We adopted her sometime last year.  For the
>most part, she's a great cat.  She was really sweet when Quincy became
>sick.  She would check on him and give him baths.  However, after
>Quincy was put in the hospital, she received all the attention.  Now
>that he's back, she hisses at him and sometimes swats at him.

She may be upset because he smells like the vet.

When Fiona died, we brought her back into the house and showed her to
all the other animals. We wanted them to know that she was gone and
not wonder where she was for month and years on end.

When Maynard sniffed her the first time, he hissed and ran off. He
came back about 15 minutes later and purred.

I don't know whether reacted to her smell of the drug or the smell of
death. I have no idea what he understands. But he came back to her and
revised his first reaction. He was extra clingy for awhile, but that
was fine by me as I needed the extra snuggle time too.

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Mary - 11 Jan 2005 02:46 GMT
> Here you are.  These are my most recent pictures of Quincy.
> Enjoy!
>
> http://www.hawkpci.net/nowell/quincy.htm

He's beautiful! In the first one he looks like he just
said "Hey, bring me a beer on your next trip back, would you?" :)

Who is the other kitty?
Quincy's Pet - 11 Jan 2005 13:51 GMT
He sits around like that all the time.  Four or five years ago, we had
a Lazy Boy recliner.  He would sit in that recliner, just like the
picture, for hours usually sleeping.  The other kitty is Ms. C or
Missy.  Check my reply to Priscilla for more info on her.

Quincy really is an attractive cat, but he's really BIG.  I know you
can't tell from a picture, but even the vet made a comment about his
size.  The pathetic thing is, he has a really short tail.  It's not
short like a bobcat, but it's about half the size it should be.  This
makes him a bit clumsy :o)

He's such a character.  We adopted him from one of those rescue
organizations that camp out at PetSmart on the weekends.  My hubby
said, let's go get a cat.  We went to PetSmart late that Saturday and
when walking past Quincy's cage, he stuck out his paw and swatted me on
the head.  I love cats with personality and he was so cute!  We were at
PetSmart the first thing Sunday morning and waited for Homeward Bound
to get their.  There were other people looking at him too.  I stayed
right in front of his cage and removed his bio info until the adoption
people arrived.  He's been such a wonderful addition.  He does not like
it when my 4-year old daughter gets too close.  He was the only child
for about 2 years and he is still jealous.  However, if Ashton is hurt,
or crying in her room because we made her go to bed, he either sniffs
her or sits outside her bedroom door like he's worried.
Mary - 11 Jan 2005 19:10 GMT
> He sits around like that all the time.  Four or five years ago, we had
> a Lazy Boy recliner.  He would sit in that recliner, just like the
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> short like a bobcat, but it's about half the size it should be.  This
> makes him a bit clumsy :o)

I wonder if he has "tail envy?" :0)

> He's such a character.  We adopted him from one of those rescue
> organizations that camp out at PetSmart on the weekends.  My hubby
> said, let's go get a cat.  We went to PetSmart late that Saturday and
> when walking past Quincy's cage, he stuck out his paw and swatted me on
> the head.

Oh, yes, you were chosen!

I love cats with personality and he was so cute!  We were at
> PetSmart the first thing Sunday morning and waited for Homeward Bound
> to get their.  There were other people looking at him too.  I stayed
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> or crying in her room because we made her go to bed, he either sniffs
> her or sits outside her bedroom door like he's worried.

4-year-olds can accidentally hurt kitties, too.
Quincy's Pet - 14 Jan 2005 17:28 GMT
We had a really bad scare last night.  Quincy couldn't urinate again.
The poor thing tried and tried.  He still could not this morning.  We
took him to the vet and while we were waiting he went all over himself
in his carrier and then when the vet was taking him out of the carrier,
he went all over the counter.  I think being at the vet scare it out of
him :o)  I haven't seen him pee that much at one time since he came
home.  The vet said that it may have just been from scarring caused by
the catheters.  She talked about the alteration surgery, but said it
didn't need to be done right now.  That was a relief.  We will probably
have it done after we get our income tax return, or at least set enough
money aside in case we need it in the future.  She x-rayed him and
didn't find any stones.  She gave us more meds and said to keep an eye
on him.  We were so happy.  After the vet cleaned us out last week, we
did not have the funds to put him in again.  So we dodged a bullet.  I
just hope he can keep if flowing until we can save up enough money to
have the surgery done.  Maybe after his next batch of meds, he won't
need the surgery.
Monique Y. Mudama - 14 Jan 2005 17:52 GMT
> We had a really bad scare last night.  Quincy couldn't urinate again.  The
> poor thing tried and tried.  He still could not this morning.  We took him
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> the surgery done.  Maybe after his next batch of meds, he won't need the
> surgery.

Good luck.  Setting some money aside every month is a great idea.

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Priscilla H. Ballou - 14 Jan 2005 17:59 GMT
> We had a really bad scare last night.  Quincy couldn't urinate again.
> The poor thing tried and tried.  He still could not this morning.  We
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> have the surgery done.  Maybe after his next batch of meds, he won't
> need the surgery.

For quite a while before his surgery, Sinbad was getting liquid vitamin
C in his food to acidify it.  The idea was that since the crystals are
alkaline, acidifying his diet would help prevent them from forming.
That might be an idea for poor Quincy until the funds are there for his
operation.  

Priscilla
Quincy's Pet - 14 Jan 2005 20:37 GMT
Thank you for the tip.  Part of the meds I've been giving him modifies
his Ph levels.  Maybe I should get a picture of the vet and put it by
his litter box :o)
Priscilla H. Ballou - 14 Jan 2005 22:33 GMT
> Thank you for the tip.  Part of the meds I've been giving him modifies
> his Ph levels.  Maybe I should get a picture of the vet and put it by
> his litter box :o)

*cackle*

Priscilla
Meghan Noecker - 17 Jan 2005 05:12 GMT
>Thank you for the tip.  Part of the meds I've been giving him modifies
>his Ph levels.  Maybe I should get a picture of the vet and put it by
>his litter box :o)

That got me laughing.

I actually do threaten my cats. I doubt they understand the threat,
but they usually do get better really quickly. I usually tell them
they have until tomorrow morning, or they are going to the vet. And I
am serious. If they aren't better, they do go.

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