Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / January 2005
Best Cat Food On The Market?
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fleemo17@comcast.net - 04 Jan 2005 18:39 GMT Ok, so Costco's Kirkland cat food didn't seem to generate many positive reviews. So tell me, what IS the best cat food on the market and what can I expect to pay for it?
-Fleemo
Priscilla H. Ballou - 04 Jan 2005 18:56 GMT > Ok, so Costco's Kirkland cat food didn't seem to generate many positive > reviews. So tell me, what IS the best cat food on the market and what > can I expect to pay for it? I've come to like Nature's Balance, which I feed my cats in sequence with Nutro Natural Choice and some other brands plus the occasional meal of sauteed chicken livers. I've had to add little cans of supermarket (Shaws) cat food into the rotation due to expense, but the cats like it fine. That's for the three adult cats. The 5 month old eats Nutro dry kitten food and Nutro Natural Choice canned kitten food, with an occasional can of Friskies kitten food. The ferals outside eat 9-Lives and Meow Mix for the most part along with occasional Figaro cat tuna, although in the last week they've also had leftover Christmas turkey (as have the indoor ones) and leftover baked pollock. I think the first thing I fed the ferals a couple of years ago when I started feeding them was some leftover poached salmon. ;-)
Priscilla
Mathew Kagis - 04 Jan 2005 19:47 GMT Chablis & Muscat En Vino Veritas
> Ok, so Costco's Kirkland cat food didn't seem to generate many positive > reviews. So tell me, what IS the best cat food on the market and what > can I expect to pay for it? > > -Fleemo I use a blend... California Natural Chicken & Rice, Medi-Cal & Wellness Kitten Formula. All three are 'premium' brands... It's all about ingredients. You want things that say 'Chicken, rice' not 'Chicken meal, rice flour' these denote byproducts, lower grade nutrients. All three of mine are expensive, but when I look at how it breaks down per day... It cost's less than buying myself a couple of beers @ the bar twice a week. For me, it's worth it to know they eat healthy. Mathew Butler to 2 kittens:
GAUBSTER2 - 06 Jan 2005 07:03 GMT >From: "Mathew Kagis" winesnob@telus.net
>I use a blend... California Natural Chicken & Rice, Medi-Cal & Wellness >Kitten Formula. All three are 'premium' brands... It's all about [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >cost's less than buying myself a couple of beers @ the bar twice a week. >For me, it's worth it to know they eat healthy. Sorry, Mathew, but you're wrong. It's NOT "all about ingredients". Nutrients (that come from ingredients) are MORE important. You can have the best *sounding* ingredients in the world (and that's really subjective, from one person to the next), but if they don't provide the right nutrition for the cat, it can lead to serious problems. It amazes me how everybody thinks they are an "expert", when it comes to pet food labels! :(
BTW, what makes you think that chicken meal=byproducts and what in the world do you mean by "lower grade nutrients"??
Mathew Kagis - 06 Jan 2005 18:40 GMT > >From: "Mathew Kagis" winesnob@telus.net <SNIP>
> Sorry, Mathew, but you're wrong. It's NOT "all about ingredients". Nutrients > (that come from ingredients) are MORE important. You can have the best [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > BTW, what makes you think that chicken meal=byproducts and what in the world do > you mean by "lower grade nutrients"?? .....Gee, Sorry my opinion makes you so angry. The opinion I espoused is based on some web reasearch, conversations with my vet & the local pet stor owner, who worked at animal shelters for 10 years.
According to them, when a lable says has the word 'meal' attached to the major animal used to make it (chicken, turkey, salmon, herring). It often denotes processed by products of said animal, rather than the actual meat. Much like 'Cheese food slices' as compared to 'Cheese' , 'Spam' rather than 'Ham'. Denatured foods just aren't as good for humans, or cats as the real thing.... Seems simple & selfevident to me.
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PawsForThought - 07 Jan 2005 13:05 GMT >From: "Mathew Kagis" winesnob@telus.net
>"GAUBSTER2" <gaubster2@aol.com> wrote in message
><SNIP> >> Sorry, Mathew, but you're wrong. It's NOT "all about ingredients".
>....Gee, Sorry my opinion makes you so angry. The opinion I espoused is >based on some web reasearch, conversations with my vet & the local pet stor >owner, who worked at animal shelters for 10 years. Hi Matthew, Gaubster is the group's resident troll. Rather than you waste your time reading his previous rants, I thought I'd just give you a head's up. Follow your vet's advice and ignore Gaubster. He has some crazy obsession with pushing Science Diet food and any other brand is akin to poison according to him. I'm sure he'll come along now and try to refute what I've said, but most people in the group know it's true. Listen to your vet and also continue doing your research, and your kitties will be fine :)
Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm
Mathew Kagis - 07 Jan 2005 15:56 GMT > >From: "Mathew Kagis" winesnob@telus.net > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html > Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm Thanx Lauren... I certainly was'nt about to change the punks diet. I am however, a sucker for a good debate.
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Steve Crane - 07 Jan 2005 20:41 GMT Matthew, The designation of "meal" simply means the meat product has been dried. Thus "chicken" is what is called "wet" meat whereas chicken meal is dried chicken. Wet meat chicken is used to make it appear as if the food contains more of some meat in the ingredient panel. All "wet" meats are about 60-70% water, all of which is lost in the manufacturing process of any dry food. Since the regulations require a manufacturer to list the ingredients based upon weight of the ingredient BEFORE processing, using a wet meat allows a manufacturer to move a meat ingredient closer to the first ingredient listing on the ingredient label. Wet meat (ie. chicken, turkey, beef), dried meat (ie. chicken meal, turkey meal, beef meal) or any other kind of meat ingredient can vary so widely that looking the label gives the consumer absolutely no clue as to the quality of the meat being used. Dired or wet meats can be of equal quality or either could be substantially better than the other, it all depends upon the quality of ingredients chosen by the manufacturer.
Monique Y. Mudama - 07 Jan 2005 21:13 GMT > Matthew, The designation of "meal" simply means the meat product has been > dried. Thus "chicken" is what is called "wet" meat whereas chicken meal is [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > than the other, it all depends upon the quality of ingredients chosen by the > manufacturer. The next time I'm thinking about cooking myself some salmon, I guess I'll just eat fish flakes instead.
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GAUBSTER2 - 08 Jan 2005 18:14 GMT >From: "Mathew Kagis" winesnob@telus.net
>.....Gee, Sorry my opinion makes you so angry. The opinion I espoused is >based on some web reasearch, conversations with my vet & the local pet stor [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >'Ham'. Denatured foods just aren't as good for humans, or cats as the real >thing.... Seems simple & selfevident to me. I'm not angry, Mathew, I just constantly see people misinformed about pet foods labels. It is very confusing to cut through all of the marketing hype and misinformation. The important thing to consider when looking at pet foods is the fact that an ingredient label will tell you absolutely NOTHING about the quality of ingredients or the overall nutrient content of the food. "Meal" simply means that the water weight has been taken out of the ingredient. It doesn't speak to the quality of meat used. There is a difference between "chicken meal", and "chicken by-product meal". By-products aren't neccessarily (despite what you've heard) bad. Some are and some aren't. The term "by-product" is a broad general term used to simplify the length of the ingredient label. Not to mention the fact that the label doesn't tell you the quality of meat meal or by-product. Some by-products are desirable, others are not. What do you think a cat eats in the wild when they kill a mouse or a bird? They are eating what are classified as by-products!
Pet food companies have figured out that if they can appeal to the emotions of the consumer and market their food based on the ingredient label, then they can sell a lot of pet food. You should be more concerned with the nutrient levels in the food and whether or not those levels are appropriate for the lifestage/lifestyle of your cat. For instance, check the AAFCO label. If it states that the food is "formulated", then it has never been test fed to cats. If the AAFCO label states that it is "for all life stages", then that means it has (higher) levels of nutrients that are more appropriate for the puppy or kitten. Adult and especially senior animals don't need the higher levels of protein, fat, calcium, phosphorus, salt, etc. Too much calcium can lead to bone or skin problems. Too much phosphorus can contribute to undetected renal failure. Too much salt can contribute to a whole host of problems. Same thing with fat levels. The bottom line is that you can't glean all of this just by looking at an ingredient label. Your veternarian may have a copy of Small Animal Clinical Nutrition. This is all explained in there. My experience is that information on the internet is just people's (almost always, uninformed OPINIONS). People hear things and then pass it along...leading to a bunch of myths and old wives' tales.
BudGan - 04 Jan 2005 19:59 GMT > Ok, so Costco's Kirkland cat food didn't seem to generate many positive > reviews. So tell me, what IS the best cat food on the market and what > can I expect to pay for it? > > -Fleemo I buy Friskies prime filets (chicken, tuna, beef, turkey) at .25 - .32 a can and the cats really gobble it up. They also love Purina Indoor Dry Cat Chow. These are by no means considered "premium" but, for the money, my 3.5 year old cats are very healthy, active, and happy. As for people food, I also give them roasted or sliced turkey and raw spinch leaves occasionally. I would also suggest making sure they have clean, fresh water available at all times. I have a filtered water fountain (around $30) which works wonderfully.
Priscilla H. Ballou - 04 Jan 2005 21:02 GMT > As for people food, I also give them roasted or sliced turkey > and raw spinch leaves occasionally. Interesting. I have one cat who *loves* any of the brassicas (cabbage, brussels sprouts, broccoli, etc.) as well as mushrooms. I haven't tried spinach on him. Do they all like the spinach?
Priscilla
BudGan - 04 Jan 2005 23:51 GMT >> As for people food, I also give them roasted or sliced turkey >>and raw spinch leaves occasionally. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Priscilla I've never heard of any other cat liking raw spinach, let alone loving and begging for it. LOL. Once he hears the little crinkling bag, Buddha comes running from any part of the house and gets all excited, even more than he does for catnip! (my other cat couldn't care less about it)
PawsForThought - 05 Jan 2005 13:20 GMT >From: "Priscilla H. Ballou" vze23t8n@verizon.net
>Interesting. I have one cat who *loves* any of the brassicas (cabbage, >brussels sprouts, broccoli, etc.) as well as mushrooms. I haven't tried >spinach on him. Do they all like the spinach? I haven't tried spinach with my cats but they do get a small amount of minced veggies in their diet. They do like kale which is kind of similar to spinach.
Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm
blkcatgal - 05 Jan 2005 00:18 GMT I'm a big fan (and so are my cats) of Wellness, Petguard, Innova (for canned) and Wellness, Royal Canin and Science Diet (for dried).
S.
> Ok, so Costco's Kirkland cat food didn't seem to generate many positive > reviews. So tell me, what IS the best cat food on the market and what > can I expect to pay for it? > > -Fleemo Judy - 05 Jan 2005 05:24 GMT > Ok, so Costco's Kirkland cat food didn't seem to generate many positive > reviews. So tell me, what IS the best cat food on the market and what > can I expect to pay for it? > > -Fleemo I'm afraid that I have no idea of what the best cat food is. According to the manufacturers, they're all good! :c)
I think that deciding what to feed is difficult. Manufactures, vets and cat owners all have opinions. I guess the best we can do spend time reading about cat nutrition (a science in itself) and reading labels - which can be confusing at the best of times, and try to make sense of it all.
After trying a variety of this and that, I've ended up feeding my cat what she doesn't turn her nose up at. Of course she has expensive tastes so I'm spending about $40.00 CDN a month on her food, which consists of Wellness Super5Mix lite and Nutro canned Turkey & Lamb. Am I doing right by her? Guess I'll find out sooner or later. :c)
Though I have not been able to find anything on the Internet regarding what's in Kirkland, I do have a friend who's been feeding this brand to her cats for at least 10 years. Both are now 15. In the past I've asked her about it's ingredients but she can never remember. She buys the stuff in a huge bag and then empties it into a garbage container that she keeps in her laundry room.
Then there are the cats I've known who've lived in to their late teens being fed nothing but Meow Mix. Which seems to be popularly unpopular due to it's contents. So, as I said, I have no idea.
I believe that feeding a higher quality of food, is best for the most part, but there are those cats like there are those people, who can spend their lives eating whatever and never suffer the effects that others do.
Anyway, I hope that you can find something that will suit you when it comes to price and your cat when it comes to nutrition. Something you both can live with. :c)
Best wishes.
Judy & Matilda
Sheri - 05 Jan 2005 22:45 GMT Hi --- My cats do much better on Iams Original than any other food. I have 15 cats and a couple of them have "weak" stomachs. They throw up most other brands as well as the Iams Weight Control, but the Iams Original must be way easier on the stomach. It seems to be an awesome food.
Iams is now owned by a big evil corporaration (Proctor & Gamble) --- I feel a little guilty for buying it. I'd rather buy Nutro, but I have to buy what my cats feel best on.
Anyway, whatever you do, give your cat another brand every now and then just for variety. Make sure you give some soft food also. An all dry diet just can't be healthy (and giving some people food for treats makes them really love you --- mine beg for Oscar Meyer oven roasted turkey:-)
Hope this helps.
Sheri
Monique Y. Mudama - 05 Jan 2005 23:38 GMT > Anyway, whatever you do, give your cat another brand every now and then just > for variety. Make sure you give some soft food also. An all dry diet just > can't be healthy (and giving some people food for treats makes them really > love you --- mine beg for Oscar Meyer oven roasted turkey:-) I posted a while ago about my vet's comments regarding wet food. She said that in her experience, cats on wet food are much healthier, and they are less likely to be overweight. She's been able to take several diabetic cats off of insulin treatments after having them switch to wet food. It's the lack of carbs, in her opinion.
I've also heard that wet food is better for them because they get more water that way, but it seems to me that my cat drinks less frequently now than she did when she was on dry. Maybe she's just sneaking in sips when I'm not looking =)
 Signature monique, roommate of Oscar the (female) grouch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eros was adopted! Eros has a home now! *cheer!*
Phil P. - 06 Jan 2005 10:53 GMT > > Anyway, whatever you do, give your cat another brand every now and then just > > for variety. Make sure you give some soft food also. An all dry diet just [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > insulin treatments after having them switch to wet food. It's the lack of > carbs, in her opinion. I think your vet is absolutely right.
> I've also heard that wet food is better for them because they get more water > that way, but it seems to me that my cat drinks less frequently now than she > did when she was on dry. Maybe she's just sneaking in sips when I'm not > looking =) Not necessarily. She's probably meeting almost her entire daily water requirement from her food. Cats fed dry food drink more water (~6x more), than cats fed canned food, but their total water intake and water turnover is *less* than cats fed dry food.
Its nice to see so many vets finally coming around to canned food. You wouldn't believe all the wars I got into for pushing canned food 5 or 6 years ago! LOL!
Phil
http://maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm#Water Requirements
http://maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm#Dry Food vs Canned Food. Which is really better?
Mathew Kagis - 06 Jan 2005 18:57 GMT <SNIP>
> Its nice to see so many vets finally coming around to canned food. You > wouldn't believe all the wars I got into for pushing canned food 5 or 6 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > http://maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm#Dry Food vs Canned Food. Which is > really better? Thanks for the links. My furballs get a little wet food every day, mixed with 'Missing Link' powder & some water, making a 'kitten soup'. They seem to love it. Dry kibble is the mainstay of their diet, but after hearing from my vet that many cats don't hydrate enough, I started on this routine.
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