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fleemo17@comcast.net - 04 Jan 2005 18:39 GMT
Ok, so Costco's Kirkland cat food didn't seem to generate many positive
reviews.  So tell me, what IS the best cat food on the market and what
can I expect to pay for it?  

-Fleemo
Priscilla H. Ballou - 04 Jan 2005 18:56 GMT
> Ok, so Costco's Kirkland cat food didn't seem to generate many positive
> reviews.  So tell me, what IS the best cat food on the market and what
> can I expect to pay for it?

I've come to like Nature's Balance, which I feed my cats in sequence
with Nutro Natural Choice and some other brands plus the occasional meal
of sauteed chicken livers.  I've had to add little cans of supermarket
(Shaws) cat food into the rotation due to expense, but the cats like it
fine.  That's for the three adult cats.  The 5 month old eats Nutro dry
kitten food and Nutro Natural Choice canned kitten food, with an
occasional can of Friskies kitten food.  The ferals outside eat 9-Lives
and Meow Mix for the most part along with occasional Figaro cat tuna,
although in the last week they've also had leftover Christmas turkey (as
have the indoor ones) and leftover baked pollock.  I think the first
thing I fed the ferals a couple of years ago when I started feeding them
was some leftover poached salmon.  ;-)  

Priscilla
Mathew Kagis - 04 Jan 2005 19:47 GMT
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> Ok, so Costco's Kirkland cat food didn't seem to generate many positive
> reviews.  So tell me, what IS the best cat food on the market and what
> can I expect to pay for it?
>
> -Fleemo

I use a blend... California Natural Chicken & Rice, Medi-Cal & Wellness
Kitten Formula.  All three are 'premium' brands...   It's all about
ingredients.  You want things that say 'Chicken, rice' not 'Chicken meal,
rice flour' these denote byproducts, lower grade nutrients.  All three of
mine are expensive, but when I look at how it breaks down per day... It
cost's less than buying myself a couple of beers @ the bar twice a week.
For me, it's worth it to know they eat healthy.
Mathew
Butler to 2 kittens:
GAUBSTER2 - 06 Jan 2005 07:03 GMT
>From: "Mathew Kagis" winesnob@telus.net

>I use a blend... California Natural Chicken & Rice, Medi-Cal & Wellness
>Kitten Formula.  All three are 'premium' brands...   It's all about
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>cost's less than buying myself a couple of beers @ the bar twice a week.
>For me, it's worth it to know they eat healthy.

Sorry, Mathew, but you're wrong.  It's NOT "all about ingredients".  Nutrients
(that come from ingredients) are MORE important.  You can have the best
*sounding* ingredients in the world (and that's really subjective, from one
person to the next), but if they don't provide the right nutrition for the cat,
it can lead to serious problems.  It amazes me how everybody thinks they are an
"expert", when it comes to pet food labels!  :(

BTW, what makes you think that chicken meal=byproducts and what in the world do
you mean by "lower grade nutrients"??
Mathew Kagis - 06 Jan 2005 18:40 GMT
> >From: "Mathew Kagis" winesnob@telus.net

<SNIP>
> Sorry, Mathew, but you're wrong.  It's NOT "all about ingredients".  Nutrients
> (that come from ingredients) are MORE important.  You can have the best
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> BTW, what makes you think that chicken meal=byproducts and what in the world do
> you mean by "lower grade nutrients"??

.....Gee, Sorry my opinion makes you so angry.  The opinion I espoused is
based on some web reasearch, conversations with my vet & the local pet stor
owner, who worked at animal shelters for 10 years.

 According to them, when a lable says has the word 'meal' attached to the
major animal used to make it (chicken, turkey, salmon, herring). It often
denotes processed by products of said animal, rather than the actual meat.
Much like 'Cheese food slices' as compared to 'Cheese' , 'Spam' rather than
'Ham'.  Denatured foods just aren't as good for humans, or cats as the real
thing.... Seems simple & selfevident to me.
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PawsForThought - 07 Jan 2005 13:05 GMT
>From: "Mathew Kagis" winesnob@telus.net

>"GAUBSTER2" <gaubster2@aol.com> wrote in message

><SNIP>
>> Sorry, Mathew, but you're wrong.  It's NOT "all about ingredients".

>....Gee, Sorry my opinion makes you so angry.  The opinion I espoused is
>based on some web reasearch, conversations with my vet & the local pet stor
>owner, who worked at animal shelters for 10 years.

Hi Matthew,
Gaubster is the group's resident troll.  Rather than you waste your time
reading his previous rants, I thought I'd just give you a head's up.  Follow
your vet's advice and ignore Gaubster.  He has some crazy obsession with
pushing Science Diet food and any other brand is akin to poison according to
him.  I'm sure he'll come along now and try to refute what I've said, but most
people in the group know it's true.  Listen to your vet and also continue doing
your research, and your kitties will be fine :)

Lauren
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Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm
Mathew Kagis - 07 Jan 2005 15:56 GMT
> >From: "Mathew Kagis" winesnob@telus.net
>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
> Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm

Thanx Lauren...  I certainly was'nt about to change the punks diet. I am
however, a sucker for a good debate.

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Steve Crane - 07 Jan 2005 20:41 GMT
Matthew,
The designation of "meal" simply means the meat product has been
dried. Thus "chicken" is what is called "wet" meat whereas chicken meal
is dried chicken. Wet meat chicken is used to make it appear as if the
food contains more of some meat in the ingredient panel. All "wet"
meats are about 60-70% water, all of which is lost in the manufacturing
process of any dry food. Since the regulations require a manufacturer
to list the ingredients based upon weight of the ingredient BEFORE
processing, using a wet meat allows a manufacturer to move a meat
ingredient closer to the first ingredient listing on the ingredient
label.
Wet meat (ie. chicken, turkey, beef), dried meat (ie. chicken meal,
turkey meal, beef meal) or any other kind of meat ingredient can vary
so widely that looking the label gives the consumer absolutely no clue
as to the quality of the meat being used. Dired or wet meats can be of
equal quality or either could be substantially better than the other,
it all depends upon the quality of ingredients chosen by the
manufacturer.
Monique Y. Mudama - 07 Jan 2005 21:13 GMT
> Matthew, The designation of "meal" simply means the meat product has been
> dried. Thus "chicken" is what is called "wet" meat whereas chicken meal is
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> than the other, it all depends upon the quality of ingredients chosen by the
> manufacturer.

The next time I'm thinking about cooking myself some salmon, I guess I'll just
eat fish flakes instead.

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GAUBSTER2 - 08 Jan 2005 18:14 GMT
>From: "Mathew Kagis" winesnob@telus.net

>.....Gee, Sorry my opinion makes you so angry.  The opinion I espoused is
>based on some web reasearch, conversations with my vet & the local pet stor
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>'Ham'.  Denatured foods just aren't as good for humans, or cats as the real
>thing.... Seems simple & selfevident to me.

I'm not angry, Mathew, I just constantly see people misinformed about pet foods
labels.  It is very confusing to cut through all of the marketing hype and
misinformation.  The important thing to consider when looking at pet foods is
the fact that an ingredient label will tell you absolutely NOTHING about the
quality of ingredients or the overall nutrient content of the food.  "Meal"
simply means that the water weight has been taken out of the ingredient.  It
doesn't speak to the quality of meat used.  There is a difference between
"chicken meal", and "chicken by-product meal".  By-products aren't neccessarily
(despite what you've heard) bad.  Some are and some aren't.  The term
"by-product" is a broad general term used to simplify the length of the
ingredient label.  Not to mention the fact that the label doesn't tell you the
quality of meat meal or by-product.  Some by-products are desirable, others are
not.  What do you think a cat eats in the wild when they kill a mouse or a
bird?  They are eating what are classified as by-products!  

Pet food companies have figured out that if they can appeal to the emotions of
the consumer and market their food based on the ingredient label, then they can
sell a lot of pet food.  You should be more concerned with the nutrient levels
in the food and whether or not those levels are appropriate for the
lifestage/lifestyle of your cat.  For instance, check the AAFCO label.  If it
states that the food is "formulated", then it has never been test fed to cats.
If the AAFCO label states that it is "for all life stages", then that means it
has (higher) levels of nutrients that are more appropriate for the puppy or
kitten.  Adult and especially senior animals don't need the higher levels of
protein, fat, calcium, phosphorus, salt, etc.  Too much calcium can lead to
bone or skin problems.  Too much phosphorus can contribute to undetected renal
failure.  Too much salt can contribute to a whole host of problems.  Same thing
with fat levels.  The bottom line is that you can't glean all of this just by
looking at an ingredient label.  Your veternarian may have a copy of Small
Animal Clinical Nutrition.  This is all explained in there.  My experience is
that information on the internet is just people's (almost always, uninformed
OPINIONS).  People hear things and then pass it along...leading to a bunch of
myths and old wives' tales.
BudGan - 04 Jan 2005 19:59 GMT
> Ok, so Costco's Kirkland cat food didn't seem to generate many positive
> reviews.  So tell me, what IS the best cat food on the market and what
> can I expect to pay for it?  
>
> -Fleemo

I buy Friskies prime filets (chicken, tuna, beef, turkey) at .25 - .32
 a can and the cats really gobble it up.  They also love Purina
Indoor Dry Cat Chow.  These are by no means considered "premium" but,
for the money, my 3.5 year old cats are very healthy, active, and
happy.  As for people food, I also give them roasted or sliced turkey
and raw spinch leaves occasionally.  I would also suggest making sure
they have clean, fresh water available at all times. I have a filtered
water fountain (around $30) which works wonderfully.
Priscilla H. Ballou - 04 Jan 2005 21:02 GMT
>   As for people food, I also give them roasted or sliced turkey
> and raw spinch leaves occasionally.

Interesting.  I have one cat who *loves* any of the brassicas (cabbage,
brussels sprouts, broccoli, etc.) as well as mushrooms.  I haven't tried
spinach on him.  Do they all like the spinach?

Priscilla
BudGan - 04 Jan 2005 23:51 GMT
>>  As for people food, I also give them roasted or sliced turkey
>>and raw spinch leaves occasionally.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Priscilla

I've never heard of any other cat liking raw spinach, let alone loving
and begging for it.  LOL.  Once he hears the little crinkling bag,
Buddha comes running from any part of the house and gets all excited,
even more than he does for catnip!  (my other cat couldn't care less
about it)
PawsForThought - 05 Jan 2005 13:20 GMT
>From: "Priscilla H. Ballou" vze23t8n@verizon.net

>Interesting.  I have one cat who *loves* any of the brassicas (cabbage,
>brussels sprouts, broccoli, etc.) as well as mushrooms.  I haven't tried
>spinach on him.  Do they all like the spinach?

I haven't tried spinach with my cats but they do get a small amount of minced
veggies in their diet.  They do like kale which is kind of similar to spinach.

Lauren
________
See my cats:  http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecatjournal.com/articles/claws.htm
blkcatgal - 05 Jan 2005 00:18 GMT
I'm a big fan (and so are my cats) of Wellness, Petguard, Innova (for
canned) and Wellness, Royal Canin and Science Diet (for dried).

S.

> Ok, so Costco's Kirkland cat food didn't seem to generate many positive
> reviews.  So tell me, what IS the best cat food on the market and what
> can I expect to pay for it?
>
> -Fleemo
Judy - 05 Jan 2005 05:24 GMT
> Ok, so Costco's Kirkland cat food didn't seem to generate many positive
> reviews.  So tell me, what IS the best cat food on the market and what
> can I expect to pay for it?
>
> -Fleemo

I'm afraid that I have no idea of what the best cat food is. According to
the manufacturers, they're all good! :c)

I think that deciding what to feed is difficult. Manufactures, vets and cat
owners all have opinions. I guess the best we can do spend time reading
about cat nutrition (a science in itself) and reading labels - which can be
confusing at the best of times, and try to make sense of it all.

After trying a variety of this and that, I've ended up feeding my cat what
she doesn't turn her nose up at. Of course she has expensive tastes so I'm
spending about $40.00 CDN a month on her food, which consists of Wellness
Super5Mix lite and Nutro canned Turkey & Lamb. Am I doing right by her?
Guess I'll find out sooner or later. :c)

Though I have not been able to find anything on the Internet regarding
what's in Kirkland, I do have a friend who's been feeding this brand to her
cats for at least 10 years. Both are now 15.  In the past I've asked her
about it's ingredients but she can never remember. She buys the stuff in a
huge bag and then empties it into a garbage container that she keeps in her
laundry room.

Then there are the cats I've known who've lived in to their late teens being
fed nothing but Meow Mix. Which seems to be popularly unpopular due to it's
contents. So, as I said, I have no idea.

I believe that feeding a higher quality of food, is best for the most part,
but there are those cats like there are those people, who can spend their
lives eating whatever and never suffer the effects that others do.

Anyway, I hope that you can find something that will suit you when it comes
to price and your cat when it comes to nutrition. Something you both can
live with. :c)

Best wishes.

Judy & Matilda
Sheri - 05 Jan 2005 22:45 GMT
Hi --- My cats do much better on Iams Original than any other food. I
have 15 cats and a couple of them have "weak" stomachs. They throw up
most other brands as well as the Iams Weight Control, but the Iams
Original must be way easier on the stomach. It seems to be an awesome
food.

Iams is now owned by a big evil corporaration (Proctor & Gamble) --- I
feel a little guilty for buying it. I'd rather buy Nutro, but I have to
buy what my cats feel best on.

Anyway, whatever you do, give your cat another brand every now and then
just for variety. Make sure you give some soft food also. An all dry
diet just can't be healthy (and giving some people food for treats
makes them really love you --- mine beg for Oscar Meyer oven roasted
turkey:-)

Hope this helps.

Sheri
Monique Y. Mudama - 05 Jan 2005 23:38 GMT
> Anyway, whatever you do, give your cat another brand every now and then just
> for variety. Make sure you give some soft food also. An all dry diet just
> can't be healthy (and giving some people food for treats makes them really
> love you --- mine beg for Oscar Meyer oven roasted turkey:-)

I posted a while ago about my vet's comments regarding wet food.  She said
that in her experience, cats on wet food are much healthier, and they are less
likely to be overweight.  She's been able to take several diabetic cats off of
insulin treatments after having them switch to wet food.  It's the lack of
carbs, in her opinion.

I've also heard that wet food is better for them because they get more water
that way, but it seems to me that my cat drinks less frequently now than she
did when she was on dry.  Maybe she's just sneaking in sips when I'm not
looking =)

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Phil P. - 06 Jan 2005 10:53 GMT
> > Anyway, whatever you do, give your cat another brand every now and then just
> > for variety. Make sure you give some soft food also. An all dry diet just
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> insulin treatments after having them switch to wet food.  It's the lack of
> carbs, in her opinion.

I think your vet is absolutely right.

> I've also heard that wet food is better for them because they get more water
> that way, but it seems to me that my cat drinks less frequently now than she
> did when she was on dry.  Maybe she's just sneaking in sips when I'm not
> looking =)

Not necessarily.  She's probably meeting almost her entire daily water
requirement from her food.  Cats fed dry food drink more water (~6x more),
than cats fed canned food, but their total water intake and water turnover
is *less* than cats fed dry food.

Its nice to see so many vets finally coming around to canned food. You
wouldn't believe all the wars I got into for pushing canned food 5 or 6
years ago! LOL!

Phil

http://maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm#Water Requirements

http://maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm#Dry Food vs Canned Food.  Which is
really better?
Mathew Kagis - 06 Jan 2005 18:57 GMT
<SNIP>

> Its nice to see so many vets finally coming around to canned food. You
> wouldn't believe all the wars I got into for pushing canned food 5 or 6
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> http://maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm#Dry Food vs Canned Food.  Which is
> really better?

Thanks for the links.  My furballs get a little wet food every day, mixed
with 'Missing Link' powder & some water, making a 'kitten soup'.  They seem
to love it. Dry kibble is the mainstay of their diet, but after hearing from
my vet that many cats don't hydrate enough, I started on this routine.
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